User talk:Klopf012

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Abdul-Rahman al-Sa'di (March 11)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Sulfurboy were:

The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners. Thank you.

This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject.

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Sulfurboy (talk) 04:52, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Klopf012! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Sulfurboy (talk) 04:52, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can I make a suggestion. Are there any references to Abdul-Rahman al-Sa'di in books written in the English language? If so, then you could improve your draft article by using those books as sources, giving appropriate citations. This would help to establish notability (see Wikipedia:Notability). Books that are critical of Abdul-Rahman al-Sa'di would be particularly useful - (1) establishing notability, and (2) to help give the article a neutral point of view (see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view). Toddy1 (talk) 19:31, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Toddy1 for your suggestions. I see in WP:GNG that "Sources do not have to be available online or written in English," and since his work and work about him is primarily in Arabic, then I have done my best to include the best sources that are available to me on this subject. I hope to contribute to Wikipedia by bringing in information that is not already widely available in English (an important service when the primary language of Islamic scholarship is Arabic), so perhaps others can do the digging in English sources to fill out the article with further details.

In your opinion, is the article lacking in a neutral point of view? If so, I would appreciate if you could point out instances of that so that I could address them. Thank you! Klopf012 (talk) 20:44, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Finding some sources in English (or some other European language) would help to establish notability. I know that is unfair. But the majority of people who review pages on English-language Wikipedia cannot read Arabic, and lack the knowledge to assess whether an Arabic-language source (1) is a reliable source, (2) indicates notability.

I did not see any specific instances where the article was lacking a neutral point of view. This was in part because I knew nothing of Abdul-Rahman al-Sa'di, so it is hard for me to evaluate. I cannot read the sources, because I do not read Arabic. But the article says nothing critical of him, so the reader has to wonder whether the article is intended as a memorial for him. Wikipedia policy is against articles written as memorials (see WP:Memorial).

Overall, I thought that you had done a good job. But I understood why it had been rejected. It seems worth trying to advise you about how to improve the article so that (if deserving) it will be accepted. Toddy1 (talk) 07:54, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

An article that uses only Arabic-language sources is going to have a tough time being accepted. But if the article has some sources in Western languages and some in Arabic, then the point you quoted from WP:GNG will defend the Arabic-language sources. Toddy1 (talk) 07:58, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you again Toddy1 for your helpful suggestions. I will try to incorporate them. I do not believe that I can make the majority of citations from English sources but I will try to incorporate a few things from academic articles and publications if that is what it takes to demonstrate notability. I have already included one example in response to your comments (though I hope it will not be perceived as "peacock language") and included a few items from Arabic-language news websites that intrepid reviews could evaluate through translation tools more easily than the published books, encyclopedias, and dissertations written by PhDs and experts that make up the bulk of the citations which they cannot easily access.

I hope that the information included would make it clear that this article does not fall into the description of memorial provided on this site WP:NOTMEMORIAL, but I take your point. I can think of a few controversies (similar to the one about loud speakers already included in the "professional life" section) that I could include to fill out the section. Thank again for your suggestions! Klopf012 (talk) 17:23, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I saw that you used the citation template in your draft article. That is good. If you look at Template:Citation, you can see that the template has some fields that you could use to improve citations to Arabic language sources:

trans-title =
author =

The advantage of author is that you could cite the author's name in Arabic script with a Latin script version in square brackets. Toddy1 (talk) 19:40, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

March 2020

Hello. Thank you for your contributions to the article on the Salafi movement. Can I suggest that next time you find bits that you do not like, you use the article talk page to explain your point of view. To some extent, I agree with you. But Wikipedia policy is that articles must have a neutral point of view. That means that the views of critics should be represented. Toddy1 (talk) 20:09, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Saad al-Shithri has been accepted

Saad al-Shithri, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

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Bkissin (talk) 14:45, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Abdul-Rahman al-Sa'di has been accepted

Abdul-Rahman al-Sa'di, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.