User talk:KellyJeanLynch
Managing a conflict of interest
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Hello, KellyJeanLynch. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Mary Tileston Hemenway, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:
- avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
- propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the {{request edit}} template);
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- do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.
In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.
Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Bbb23 (talk) 01:43, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
- You have not responded to the above notice. You also continue to edit the article despite the notice. What is your relationship to the subject of the article and/or the various individuals and entities discussed in the article? I don't wish to be offensive, but you must respond to these questions, or all of your edits may be backed out and you risk being blocked from editing here.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:18, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
- I am a PhD student who has studied Mary Hemenway. I am using proper citation and backing up my input with documentation of texts. I have zero conflict of interest. I am new to editing on wikipedia, however I am not advertising anything- I am using historical texts to support contributing information about this important figure. KellyJeanLynch (talk) 13:29, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
- The problem is that you're unfamiliar with Wikipedia's policies and yet you're making significant changes to the article. Wikipedia is tough for new users, and generally it's better to move slowly at first but you're not. For example, some of the material is sourced to Hemenway's niece. That is acceptable in some cases, but it is not acceptable to use the subject herself or a relation to support material that is promotional: "Mary Hemenway was known to be a delightful woman, gracious and affectionate, and dedicated to social needs. Her grandson remembered her as an intensely busy woman with daily meetings and appointments in the front parlour where she greeted distinguished guests. Her niece said she was full of life and had an "enlivening spirit, whirling everyone around her into action."" In addition, there is a policy called WP:UNDUE, which in a nutshell means that an article does not warrant excessive detail, e.g., the long paragraph about the physical education conference at MIT. Don't forget that as someone who has studied Hemenway you are not necessarily objective or neutral, and, as an encyclopedia, Wikipedia requires neutrality in edits and, more important, in articles. As I did already once, I may start trimming the article to be more in compliance with our policies, and I don't expect you to restore the removed language.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:42, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not sure how describing her characteristics is 'promotional' - perhaps I should have used the quote from Rev. Charles Ames saying "she simply went about doing good with pleasure in her tasks" What is your relation to the subject matter? It seems that you are not entirely neutral in your attention to this page? Do you work for wikipedia? KellyJeanLynch (talk) 13:47, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
- I appreciate you linking me to the editing pages so I can be careful about neutrality. KellyJeanLynch (talk) 13:59, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, such quotes or comments are at a minimum unencyclopedic and are regarded as promotional on Wikipedia. I've never heard of the lady. I patrol something called Recent changes, which is where I discovered you as a new user and, of course, the article itself. No one works for Wikipedia because Wikipedia is not a legal entity. The Wikipedia website is owned by the Wikimedia Foundation, as are many other wikis. Nor do I work for the Foundation. All editors are volunteers. However, some of us have additional responsibilities and "powers". I am an administrator, which gives me the power to block users, delete articles, and various other things. But, more important, unlike you, I am a very experienced editor having made over 200,000 edits since joining Wikipedia many years ago. I don't mean to be condescending, just that it's a fact that I know more about how Wikipedia works than you - or any other new editor - does.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:59, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
- You might know more about wikipedia works, but you do not know about this "lady"- that is the point of Wikipedia- I am trying to share important educational information. KellyJeanLynch (talk) 15:07, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
- You're wrong; my actual knowledge of Hemenway is irrelevant. You've decided to be high-handed and uncooperative. That's your choice, but it doesn't bode well for your future on Wikipedia. I will not be posting here again. I took a lot of trouble to explain things to you, but most of it has apparently fell on deaf ears, and I have better things to do with my time then continue to argue with you.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:11, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
- You might know more about wikipedia works, but you do not know about this "lady"- that is the point of Wikipedia- I am trying to share important educational information. KellyJeanLynch (talk) 15:07, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, such quotes or comments are at a minimum unencyclopedic and are regarded as promotional on Wikipedia. I've never heard of the lady. I patrol something called Recent changes, which is where I discovered you as a new user and, of course, the article itself. No one works for Wikipedia because Wikipedia is not a legal entity. The Wikipedia website is owned by the Wikimedia Foundation, as are many other wikis. Nor do I work for the Foundation. All editors are volunteers. However, some of us have additional responsibilities and "powers". I am an administrator, which gives me the power to block users, delete articles, and various other things. But, more important, unlike you, I am a very experienced editor having made over 200,000 edits since joining Wikipedia many years ago. I don't mean to be condescending, just that it's a fact that I know more about how Wikipedia works than you - or any other new editor - does.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:59, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
- The problem is that you're unfamiliar with Wikipedia's policies and yet you're making significant changes to the article. Wikipedia is tough for new users, and generally it's better to move slowly at first but you're not. For example, some of the material is sourced to Hemenway's niece. That is acceptable in some cases, but it is not acceptable to use the subject herself or a relation to support material that is promotional: "Mary Hemenway was known to be a delightful woman, gracious and affectionate, and dedicated to social needs. Her grandson remembered her as an intensely busy woman with daily meetings and appointments in the front parlour where she greeted distinguished guests. Her niece said she was full of life and had an "enlivening spirit, whirling everyone around her into action."" In addition, there is a policy called WP:UNDUE, which in a nutshell means that an article does not warrant excessive detail, e.g., the long paragraph about the physical education conference at MIT. Don't forget that as someone who has studied Hemenway you are not necessarily objective or neutral, and, as an encyclopedia, Wikipedia requires neutrality in edits and, more important, in articles. As I did already once, I may start trimming the article to be more in compliance with our policies, and I don't expect you to restore the removed language.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:42, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
- I am a PhD student who has studied Mary Hemenway. I am using proper citation and backing up my input with documentation of texts. I have zero conflict of interest. I am new to editing on wikipedia, however I am not advertising anything- I am using historical texts to support contributing information about this important figure. KellyJeanLynch (talk) 13:29, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
KellyJeanLynch, thank you for your work on this article. While we appreciate your work, it needs to result in a neutral and well verified article. My colleague Bbb knows these guidelines very well and I urge you to listen to him. I'm looking through the article history, and the first thing I note is that it is very difficult to figure out what is going on since in the last few hours you made fifty edits, many of which very small. This is very unwieldy: please use Preview and combine multiple small edits.
Second, I see problems in the documentation--there are incomplete or improperly formatted references, and the use of multiple footnotes to the same sources. I can't fault you for not knowing all the ins and outs of our citation templates, but please listen to experienced editors when they try to help you. (I will make an edit to remove duplicate references, just as a visual aid.) Finally, we do need reliable (printed) secondary sources. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 15:53, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
- thanks for the tip on using preview- that helps. And yes, I have provided secondary sources. I need to learn how to insert citations/footnotes KellyJeanLynch (talk) 17:02, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
Editing logged out
[edit]Is Special:contributions/76.64.77.74 your IP? Now that you have an account, you should not be editing without logging in, especially the same article, and especially without edit summaries. See WP:LOUTSOCK.--Bbb23 (talk) 11:32, 8 April 2023 (UTC)