User talk:KaylaJarvinen

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Hello, KaylaJarvinen, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few links to pages you might find helpful:

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Sources

Hi again, did a little more editing and cleanup on the article. You are doing well for a new editor, kind of a steep learning curve on WP, but you're figuring it out. You ought to add additional outside, third-party sources to your article - things like newspaper stories and such would strengthen it. I also want to give you a heads up about a wikipedia policy that may affect you, WP:COI. I happen to like the work you are doing on the Lovato article and so far it's staying within wikipedia guidelines, but do read Conflict-of-interest editing on Wikipedia and be aware of how it could impact you. (Some people on WP can get super nasty about this) Also read WP:COPYVIO, even if it's your own work that's copied, or if you have the OK to copy it, WP still is quite strict about not copying or closely-paraphrasing any source -- WP takes plagiarism very seriously. You can put things like a mission statement into quotation marks and quote it directly with a source that way, but otherwise, be careful not to copy from another web site. If you have any questions at all, post them on the talk page of the article you are working on, and the people who have it on their watchlist (me for sure, maybe others) will try to respond when we are online (we're all volunteers around here). Montanabw^(talk) 21:52, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I also want to encourage you to consider working on other articles on wikipedia and learn a bit more about how editing works. We have something like 9000 articles tagged for wikiproject horse racing and another 3000 for wikiproject equine - with fewer than 10 regular editors combined for both projects! The 365 days of racing terminology series (is there a master home page with all the videos linked?) might be a good link to add to North American horse racing terminology as an external link (as the videos are copyrighted) and perhaps some of the print sources used to create that series could be used as sources to add more words to our glossary! (My personal favorite, by the way, was "went for a hot dog"! LOL!) ;-) Your input as an editor would be quite welcome and valued here, but some people will fret about your connection to a single topic. (Actually, some will throw a fit...) Best to edit multiple articles. (And we really DO need an article on the Equicizer, actually!) Montanabw^(talk) 21:52, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Montanabw,

Thank you for your kind message and for the advice! It's certainly appreciated! We are new to WP and I will be sure to check out the plagiarism guidelines you shared. I work with Frankie Lovato and as a volunteer for Jockey World, I am helping him set up this wiki page in an effort to share the things he has and currently does to help others in horse racing. The material is all our own, taken from our websites, etc. but I see that does not necessarily protect it from being considered plagiarism here. I will look into that. A few years back, a wiki page about the Equicizer was created before but was deleted and the IP address banned with no further explanation. Also, you deleted the "Kelso Handicap" from Frankie Lovato's page even though it has it's own wiki page. Was there a reason for this or can I add it back? He would really like it under the list of races won.

I have a little bit more material to add to the page about Frankie's career and that's about it for the time. Thank you again for your patience and your assistance with this project! KaylaJarvinen (talk) 17:52, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, deleting a bluelink like Kelso Handicap, that was a screwup on my part, I intended to only kill all the redlinked ones, feel free to go fix that! (oops!) As for the rest, be aware of WP:COI, it creates a catch-22 for you. You're kind of in a gray area as a volunteer, it would be worse if you were a paid employee, and worst of all if you were a PR firm being specifically paid to write a wikipedia article. By the way, you can also create new articles by creating a redlink in an article and then clicking on the red link. (try this on your own user page too...it's still a redlink!) If you have any problem doing this because you are still considered a new user, pop a message over on my talk page and I might be able to help with the techie stuff. If you want to swipe examples of markup syntax, formatting, sourcing, footnotes or the like, the Thoroughbred article is a featured article, the status considered the highest quality on wikipedia. (Took about five of us to get it there, working on and off for about 6 months...whew!) If you want to compare this to at an article that's about a person, and a bit shorter, I recently finished bringing Katherine Ritvo and Rosie Napravnik to Good article status, the second-highest article quality level, which basically means that all the syntax is right, the sourcing is solid, and it's readable! Montanabw^(talk) 20:48, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The trick with recreating an Equicizer article is that it can be informational (like Mechanical bull) but not advertising, it's tricky because it's only made by one company. Compare to Wintec - which probably has survived because it uses outside sources, not just the company's web site. My bet is that the original Equicizer article was a copy and paste from a promo page (copyright violations can be deleted immediately without much recourse). That and there was a "User:Equicizer" who got their account deleted at the same time, probably per the COI rules. ( the article was deleted as advertising ) The IP address, I bet, was linked to this person or else had committed some previous wikipedia offense. Given that It's Wikicup season, I might be able to recreate this article without being accused of a COI (I've been around here for over 7 years, I'm not totally bulletproof, but I'm pretty immunized against trouble!) Stay tuned. Montanabw^(talk) 20:48, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Follow up: Here, I started a "sandbox" for drafting a new equicizer article: User:Montanabw/Equicizer. Go over and play! No rules in the sandbox, (well, other than mine: User_talk:Montanabw#Sandbox_invite LOL!) Montanabw^(talk) 20:53, 23 January 2014 (UTC) Follow up: I found some outside sources and created a basic structure, anyone who wants to help fill it in, go ahead! Montanabw^(talk) 04:07, 24 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Live

I wrote up Equicizer and it is now "live." Look it over and feel free to fix any errors, but try to provide a source for anything new that's added. Was it invented in 1981 or 1982? The sources I saw are in conflict on that point. I also tweaked the Lovato article a bit more. Both should be pretty um "stable" (pardon the pun) now, I hope. Montanabw^(talk) 23:15, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We are looking it over as I type and are so impressed with all of the work you have done to make this all legitimate to fit within WP's guidelines. WOW!! We are paying attention and going over all of your notes, edits and messages, and I apologize for the sometimes delayed responses. A jam packed schedule does not always allow the desired time to spend online, specifically here, but we appreciate your suggestions and hope we are doing a good job implementing them! Thank you! :) KaylaJarvinen (talk) 00:10, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. It's fun to work with people like you who have such a great attitude! You might also want to add WP:BLP to your reading list. We probably take that more seriously than anything else. The nice thing about wikipedia is that it's easy to fix anything that gets messed up, if nothing else, the "undo" button is your safety net! Montanabw^(talk) 02:38, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]