User talk:Karlrink/Discussion 1

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Proposed deletion of Charlene Rink

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I've added at least one source that directly supports material in the article. KarlRink (talk) 23:11, 5 June 2011 (UTC)Karlrink

I've added seven reliable sources thus far. I will be adding more within the next 48 hours. KarlRink (talk) 20:16, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of "Fitness America Pageant"

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Thank you. N^oformation ^Talk 07:22, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

File source and copyright licensing problem with File:CharleneRink Gym 2000.jpg

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• I've updated copyright and source. KarlRink (talk) 22:15, 5 June 2011 (UTC)Karlrink

Sources

Hello. I just saw your Fitness Universe article. Right now I'd recommend prioritizing adding reliable outside sources as soon as possible. The reason sources are so important is that a big part of how Wikipedia judges how notable the company is (in other words whether it should have an article or not) is based on what kind of sources you have. I'd suggest avoiding using company websites as sources for claims. You'll get a better response here if you use things like major newspaper articles and magazines that discuss your company as sources for your facts. For details on Wikipedia's policy on reliable sources see WP:RELY but it's probably better to get some outside sources up as soon as possible (to let people see it's a legit article) and then worry about details. Cloveapple (talk) 06:47, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

• First, I'd like to point out this is not my company. The events, such as the Fitness America Pageant, I have personally attended and have watched them on television. In my case, my interest and involvement only extends as far as knowing certain competitors who have competed in these shows. I have no intent on promoting this article other than the fact that the organization exists, and the events have and do take place. KarlRink (talk) 15:40, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Oops. That "your" was a typo. Sorry about that. (I struck it out to show that.) I had seen that an article you had written was deleted for not showing notability and that another came close to being deleted, so I was just trying to help you on this one instead of just slapping a tag on it and moving on. I've certainly heard of the Arnold event and know people who have been to it. I'm trying to give you a pointer on how to create articles so that they won't be candidates for deletion. Cloveapple (talk) 17:54, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your help, it is much needed as I am new to wikipedia, and its ins and outs. I certainly want to follow the guidelines and this learning curve is helping me. As for this article in particular, I have now come to the conclusion that it should be moved (or renamed) under a different title. I want the subject matter to be about the Fitness Universe contests, not about the Fitness Universe Inc. company. I propose renaming it from Fitness Universe, Inc. to just Fitness Universe and changing the opening line to read something like: "Fitness Universe is an organization that holds fitness, modeling, and bodybuilding competitions in America and internationally. The organizational shows and judging falls under the governing body defined by the Fitness Universe, Inc. company." ... However, I do not yet know how to move or rename this title page to reflect so. I of course have know how and have access to modify the text within the article, but seek help with the title move or rename. Can you do this for me? I vote to move Fitness Universe, Inc. to new title Fitness Universe KarlRink (talk) 19:42, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

I've update the opening line to reflect what is stated above. KarlRink (talk) 19:49, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I've managed to move (rename) the title page to Fitness Universe. I guess I was a Homer Simpson (Dooh!) on figuring that administrative maneuver out. My apologies for my ignorance. KarlRink (talk) 20:09, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

No need to apologize. I'm still fairly new at serious editing myself. Figuring this place out can be confusing. I've been "adopted" by a mentor so I'm working on formal how-to lessons, but there's a lot I don't know yet. Cloveapple (talk) 07:30, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

I cleaned up statements sounding like an advertisement. Clarified contest titles. KarlRink (talk) 06:27, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

It reads a lot more like an encyclopedia article now. Nice work. :-)

If you have any sources outside of Fitness Universe sites, I'd still recommend switching to them. You could link to those sites in a list of External Links but I wouldn't use them as sources. You're better off with sources that are outside the organization you are writing about. For example you can use newspaper or magazine articles as sources. Sources can be either online or old fashioned paper. The reason I'm being such a broken record about using sources that aren't the organization itself is that that's how you show something called "notability." (See WP:NOTE.) Without notability an article can be challenged and removed after a public discussion. Cloveapple (talk) 07:30, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. I understand WP:NOTE now. But I still have another question. I work at CSUN, and have access to their library (online, and the building). I found this article clipping from their database:

article.start MLA: Billard, Mary. "Power Pageant." Women's Sports & Fitness (ISSN: 10996079), 2.4 (1999): 146-151. In the '80s, many female bodybuilders started taking steroids, which inflated their muscles to sideshow proportions. Mainstream America cringed. Other bodybuilders refused to take drugs, and fitness pageants were created to give these less-muscled women a competitive venue. The first one, Ms. Fitness, was born in 1985 at the National Fitness trade show in Las Vegas and included an evening gown segment. Louis Zwick, then the producer of American Muscle, a bodybuilding show on ESPN, did a segment on the pageant. The number of contests was proliferating, and Zwick himself launched Fitness America in 1989. It is essentially a made-for-TV event. When ESPN aired the 1998 national championship against the Super Bowl, it garnered a 0.9 Nielsen rating, more than many other prime-time programs in that slot. After the Fitness America Web address is flashed, the site gets at least 30,000 hits. The scene even has its own magazine, Oxygen. It boasts the slogan FOR EXTREME SEX APPEAL and is heavy with Cosmo-speak: "How to Market Your Hard Bod (You've Got It, Flaunt It)" and "Breast Implants... Everything You Need to Know." article.end

My question is, regarding the source, the text from the source, and citing the content, do I have to use the words in the above article exactly as it is by cutting and pasting the text as it exactly reads word for word from that article into my article, or can I use the text as a greater work and rewrite it by paraphrasing the content into that of my article? And which is the recommended; direct quoting, or paraphrasing?

These two articles Wally Boyko Productions and Fitness Universe actually cross reference the same citation, which makes sense... Apparently Zwick took the idea from WBP in 85 to launch his own show in 89. KarlRink (talk) 09:33, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't think you'd want to quote the whole entire chunk of text. For one thing, quoting an entire article would probably be a copyright violation. You could quote a word or a phrase or even a sentence if you needed, but mostly I think you'd want to paraphrase. Cloveapple (talk) 06:47, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

properly cite US Navy document?

How do I cite the following document:
U.S. NAVY SURFACE RESCUE SWIMMER SCHOOL TRAINEE GUIDE

Question 1. The document is embedded in a google.com/url , originating from source netc.navy.mil/. Should I remove the google.com/url, essentially extracting the netc.navy.mil source url, or just leave the document url as it is?
Question 2. Should the document be downloaded from the google.com/url and then uploaded to Wikipedia:Upload and referenced from there?
Question 3. The document is cataloged as US Navy document A-050-0500. What is the Wikipedia:Citation_templates for this document?
Question 4. What is the Template:Citation/core Parameter for US Navy document A-050-0500? DOI=A-050-0500, OCLC=A-050-0500, ID=A-050-0500 |DOI=, |ISBN=, |ISSN=, |OCLC=, |PMID=, |PMC=?
KarlRink (talk) 18:58, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

• A1: yes, link: https://www.netc.navy.mil/nascweb/model_manager/surface/Student%20Related/Trainee%20Guide%20Complete%20Booklet.pdf
• A2: no
• A3: cite book I would assume; alt: cite web
• A4: I can't help

mabdul 20:19, 8 June 2011 (UTC)