User talk:KJFS

April 2017

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. We welcome and appreciate your contributions, but it appears you have written or added to an article about yourself, at Draft:Kelan John Farrell-Smith. Creating an autobiography is strongly discouraged – see our guideline on writing autobiographies. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for articles about living people, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later (see Wikipedians with articles). If you wish to add to an existing article about yourself, please propose the changes on its talk page. Please understand that this is an encyclopedia and not a personal web space or social networking site. If your article has already been deleted, please see: Why was my page deleted?, and if you feel the deletion was an error, please discuss it with the deleting administrator. Thank you. 331dot (talk) 09:37, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Reply:

Please review my "notability" again. How is it that performing in an elite college choir and publishing scholarly papers at major academic political science conferences is not "notable", but playing football or basketball at even a mediocre college is considered "notable" almost all the time. Adult film stars are considered "notable" so why not political scholars. Even people that were on old sitcoms just a few times are considered "notable." Bad musicians are considered "notable," but Pomona College musicians are not, which is just like being a college athlete, by the way. You are allowing Hollywood and previously famous-people to control our government by preventing me from posting this entry. Wikipedia is encouraging a government in the United States composed of people who are already-famous, or "notable," as you euphemistically put it. Why? Because they were on TV? Furthermore, I am an FEC-registered Democratic Party United States Presidential candidate, so I strongly encourage you to allow me to write my own preliminary article (the public is free to edit it), otherwise it would seem that wikipedia is having a very strong influence on who is aloud to run and who is not in the United States, regardless of your standard that one is not permitted to write their own article (again benefitting the already-famous). Wikipedia needs to consider the FEC government listings a as notable source, otherwise you are electioneers and tampering with our ability to freely and constitutionally run for office. You are free to look me up as a presidential candidate on the United States Government website; again, that should suffice for "notability" - given that you are calling "notable" certain things that are perhaps not, especially pertaining to government issues. -KJF

I wasn't actually addressing the notability, merely the fact that you seemed to be writing a page about yourself, which is highly discouraged, as people naturally write favorably about themselves. Please review the autobiography policy. The best thing for someone in your situation to do is create an article about yourself through Articles for Creation where you can get feedback and an independent review before the article is posted to the main encyclopedia.

If you are an official presidential candidate, it certainly can be mentioned at United States presidential election, 2020 assuming you have the appropriate independent reliable sources. That and your other work certainly may mean that you would merit an article per notability guidelines, but that doesn't mean you should write it yourself. It isn't forbidden for you to do so, but it might be much better received if you did so at Articles for Creation, or allowed others to write it. 331dot (talk) 10:35, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

I would add that Wikipedia is not the place to right great wrongs like the election process. 331dot (talk) 10:38, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Reply:

I am simply saying that because a person's wikipedia page is the first page that comes up on most computer and smartphone searches, and it is reasonable to say that wikipedia is the place where people get their "encyclopedic" information about political candidates, that they really ought to let FEC-filed Presidential candidates have a webpage. Wikipedia does not have to recognize every person as "notable" (especially if they would like to remain private citizens), but perhaps taking into consideration that an accumulated combination of collegiate music at a highly ranked college and publishing scholarly papers is "notable" in a certain sense (i.e.: if it's "notable" enough for Google Scholar, it should be "notable" enough for wikipedia), would be an erudite thing to do. It is also most always the case that when one is an aspiring U.S. Presidential candidate, no one is stupid enough (not even one's friends and family) to take the risk of creating a page about that candidate first. Hot potato. Machiavelli. And yes, I have filed paperwork with the Federal Election Commission to run for President (you can look it up at fec.gov), so again, a certain "notability" should be associated with being an official Presidential candidate, regardless of who one is talking about. "Wikipedia should not be the place to right great wrongs": I agree with you in almost every context, however wikipedia itself is the problem in this particular case. I mean no disrespect to whoever is representing wikipedia right now, but please take in to consideration that you have been influencing the U.S. election process by preventing non-famous candidates from posting pages on wikipedia, which drastically affects their ability to gain public exposure, and heavily influences the outcomes of our free elections. Yes, it is a form of advertising, but it's the same way for all politicians, no matter how badly you want it to be "just an encyclopedia." It's online, and functions as an advertising space; we know it when we see it. Again, how is performing classical masterworks in front of packed houses at #1 Pomona College not "notable," but playing basketball in front of 12 people at Southwest-Where-Hell-Ever State University is considered "notable?" College extracurriculars are college extracurriculars. It is not wikipedia's place to determine that college athletics merit notability but college music or theatre does not. It is not wikipedia's place to determine that hierarchy. I have read your "notability" guidelines a number of times, and let's just say that I'm not very happy about them. And again, generally speaking, I agree with you regarding not creating a page for one's self, however, special circumstances arise in cases of U.S. Presidential candidates that I cannot not to go into with you here. Sorry. But, again, I don't disagree with you entirely, but in order to protect the U.S. Constitution, I have to ask you to please allow me to keep this page, even though I created it myself, despite wikipedia's company policy on not allowing one to do so (which falls somewhat secondary to United States Constitutional law). It would probably be best that I not have to take this issue to the Article III branch and the FEC for them to address; it is my unsolicted advisory opinion to wikipedia, as someone who studied constitutional law under some of the best at Claremont, that you should probably let me have a page, to protect free elections and prevent electioneering. Again, feel free to look me up in the candidate search engine on the FEC website, feel free to look me up on Pomona College's choir alumni website, and feel free to look me up on googlescholar or on the Western Political Science Association's website. Thanks, and again, no caustic tone intended on my part - just trying to mitigate the potential for international incident and litigation in clear (yet opaque, as always) legal jargon. -Kelan John Farrell-Smith P.S.: What I wrote on my page is not an "autobiography;" it is a listing of notable achievements and educational degrees. I specifically left off as much information as possible, to make a concise, non-advertisement-sounding wikipedia entry, to avoid being accused of writing an "autobiography."

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. 331dot (talk) 12:40, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Kelan John Farrell-Smith

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A tag has been placed on Draft:Kelan John Farrell-Smith, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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You are not allowed to edit Wikipedia while the threats stand or the legal action is unresolved.  Katie^talk 12:44, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Notability

Hello, KJFS. I just came accross this discussion and wanted to give you some tips. It seems you are confused about what it means to be notable when it comes to Wikipedia. In Wikipedia, notability is not synonymous with fame or importance. There are certain guidelines one had to have to be considered notable. To summarize those guidelines, one has to have significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.

You bring up sports figures in your arguments and seem to think that just because you play a sport in college that you would be applicable for a Wikipedia article, this isn't true. Per the notability of college atheletes, there are some guidelines. In any case, this is immaterial to whether a politician should have an article.

From WP:POLITICIAN: Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the primary notability criterion of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article".

The 2016 US Presidential election had nearly 1800 candidates [1], including some joke candidates. Not everyone on this list is going to be notable. That is why our guidelines exist. I hope this helps. --Darth Mike^(talk) 13:58, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello,

This is the real Kelan. I think that one of my interns (who has since been let go) became over-ambitious and tried to create a wikipedia page for me, despite wikipedia's right to define their own policies, including with regards to "notability" guidelines, as a privately-held company. Please remove the content of this discussion, and the page itself, as I am fully aware of the fact that I am not "notable" by wikipedia's standards, and am currently under consideration for a number of government jobs, such as for the census bureau, so I would prefer not to have a public wikipedia page at all right now, not even a "draft". And @DarthMike: good comment. Yes, it helped. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheRealKelan (talk • contribs) 06:08, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

I have tagged the draft for deletion(it wasn't an actual article yet). I am also pinging @KrakatoaKatie: and @Darth Mike: for assistance. 331dot (talk) 09:18, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Kelan John Farrell-Smith

A tag has been placed on Draft:Kelan John Farrell-Smith requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

G7-author request, sort of. See User talk:KJFS

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Your draft article, Draft:Kelan John Farrell-Smith

Hello, KJFS. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Kelan John Farrell-Smith".

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Legacypac (talk) 04:45, 19 February 2018 (UTC)