User talk:K-120120

September 2024

Hello, I'm I dream of horses. I wanted to let you know that one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to Assets School—has been undone because it appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted; Wikipedia articles should be written objectively, using independent sources, and from a neutral perspective. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Help desk. Thank you. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 18:29, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome!

Hello, K-120120, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions.

I noticed that one of the first articles you edited was Assets School, which appears to be dealing with a topic with which you may have a conflict of interest. In other words, you may find it difficult to write about that topic in a neutral and objective way, because you are, work for, or represent, the subject of that article. Your recent contributions may have already been undone for this very reason.

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Can you please proofread my revisions to the Assets School article? They are on my user page. K-120120 (talk) 21:43, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not try to use the help templates for help with content. They are intended to be used for asking for help on how to use or edit Wikipedia.

Your user page is not a suitable place for suggested edits. Please consider using a userspace draft instead.

When you copy a Wikipedia page, for whatever purpose, it is required that you make an attribution (it can be in the edit summary) saying where and, ideally, the diff number, of the source material copied from.

It looks like one of the sources you added is the school's own website. That's not likely to be considered helpful, since it is a primary source.

The most recent edit you made failed to cite a source.

You still need to respond the Drmies's query about your connection with your subject. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for your response.

I added the userspace draft template, please confirm if I did so correctly?

I also added an attribution at the top, please confirm if this is also done correctly?

I don't see where Drmies asked me to address my connection with the subject, please clarify.

Will look into the source citations.

I greatly appreciate your help. K-120120 (talk) 23:04, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My suggestion was to use a userspace draft as a place to hold your draft. Adding the template to your user page just makes things confusing, since that is not what your user page is for.

The attribution is not part of the text of the article; it can appear in an edit summary, when done simultaneously with the copying, or it can appear on the talk page if done later.

Are you connected with the school? If so, you need to disclose that. Answering here would be considered responsive; placing the proper disclosure on your user page would be best if it weren't for the fact that you are currently using your user page to house a draft of revised article content. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:14, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Confirming that I am connected to the school. I was tasked with updating the page and am new to editing Wikipedia, so I am grateful for your help and I learn about the process.

Can you confirm next steps re: how I can get someone to review my proposed draft in my userspace draft? K-120120 (talk) 18:58, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have moved the page to User:K-120120/Assets School, since it is really a draft in your userspace, rather than a user page. At present User:K-120120 is a redirect to the draft, but you can edit it to remove the redirect & put content suitable for a user page into it, if you like. Alternatively, if you would like to start with a new user page, without the redirect in its history, let me know & I'll delete it for you, so that you can start from scratch. JBW (talk) 21:30, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for your help! 72.234.234.2 (talk) 18:57, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have mostly copied the material from your draft into the article, apart from the following changes:

I have cut down the history section. Essential points such as when the school was founded and when it merged with another school and moved to a new campus are worth including. However, details such as when the school playground was built, while no doubt of interest to people with a connection to the school, are not sufficiently significant for inclusion in an encyclopaedia. In fact one of the reasons why Wikipedia's guideline on conflict of interest discourages editing of articles by people personally connected to the things they are writing about is that such people very often tend to include details which seem significant from their point of view, but look much less significant from the detached perspective of an outside observer. Likewise how the school dealt with the COVID lockdown, while certainly important at the time, was a small issue in proportion to the timescale of the whole history of the school.
The parts of the history section which I have kept, I have reformatted as continuous prose, rather than a bulleted list.
I have removed the "Notable Alumni" section, because I was not able to find evidence that any of them is notable in the sense of Wikipedia's notability guidelines.

You were lucky that I came back to check this page, because if I hadn't, it might well have been that nobody ever saw your messages here. Many people would watch your page for a while after posting here, but you can't assume that will always happen. For future reference, here are some ways of making sure that messages get seen:

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Another way of asking for help is to post a question at Wikipedia:Teahouse. I have never used it myself, and very rarely even read posts on it, so I really don't know how useful it is, but you may find it helpful. JBW (talk) 21:38, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]