User talk:J~enwiki/Archives/2008/August

Why did you delete the external link this time?

J, you have a message here. Andrés Djordjalian (talk) 06:18, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad it brought you comfort!

You da man! :) MoodyGroove (talk) 14:30, 18 August 2008 (UTC)MoodyGroove

NowCommons: Image:AUP.jpg

Image:AUP.jpg is now available on Wikimedia Commons as Commons:Image:American University of Paris plaque.jpg. This is a repository of free media that can be used on all MediaWiki wiki's. The image will be deleted from Wikipedia, but this doesn't mean it can't be used anymore. You can embed an image uploaded to Commons like you would an image uploaded to Wikipedia, in this case: [[Image:American University of Paris plaque.jpg]]. Note that this is an automated message. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 23:53, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Bob Wise

Thanks. Best regards, David in DC (talk) 16:47, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Please, stop doing that

This is the fourth time you edit a comment I make. First you reverted my comment. Then you copy and pasted my old comment on the discussion section. Now you decided to create a link to my old comments.

That's awful. I have the right to take back and delete something I write. That link is an attempt to recreated something I wrote and deleted as if I had never taken it back in the first place.

If I deleted it's still in the History, I don't want it anymore, do not link to it. That's comparable to copy and pasting it.

It's very hard to build trust when you keep doing things like that.

⇨ EconomistBR ⇦ 17:58, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of New Cold War

An article that you have been involved in editing, New Cold War, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New Cold War. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? ⇨ EconomistBR ⇦ Talk 02:11, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Here is my thought. Journalists are always looking for sensationalistic, portentious and often pretentious names to stick on rather ordinary concepts. A short relatively mild market cycle is "Bubble 2.0". The first major strain in Russo-American relations is "The New Cold War". The best musical artist of 1999 gets called "Musician of the Millenium." Two years later, no one remembers or cares. Robert A.West (Talk) 03:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Will respond at your page. Feel free to respond there, as well.   user:j    (aka justen)   03:01, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Refactoring comments, as you presumed to do with my own and others, is widely held to be uncivil. On an AfD, it also hides the discussion of the article, which is the purpose of the AfD. Despite our habits, developed for the convenience of the closing administrator, AfD is not a vote; it is intended to be a discussion; m:Voting is evil. Please do not do this again. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 16:16, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

If you believe my moving discussions to the talk page was refactoring, you can feel free to revert. It was done in good faith, and it is not, as you assert, "widely held to be uncivil." Nevertheless, your assertions that my efforts were "vandalism" or done to sway the discussion in my favour are offensive, incorrect, and out of line.   user:j    (aka justen)   16:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

You broke it; you should fix it. If it was a simple undo, I would; but it isn't. If you repair at least this massive removal, I will no longer consider it an act of bad faith. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 16:29, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

My reasons for moving the discussions to the talk page stand. If you disagree, you can make whatever changes you wish. I, however, don't accept your ultimatum that I must either acquiesce to your demands or tolerate your bad faith. Your personal attacks were out of line, and still are, your assumption of bad faith notwithstanding. Finally, as far as I can tell, by the way, the only "dubious conduct" at this AfD so far has been your !voting after being canvassed to do so.   user:j    (aka justen)   16:36, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Try reading the guideline pages you cite; WP:CANVASS defines sending messages to multiple Wikipedians with the intent to inform them about a community discussion. (emphasis added) In addition, it apecifically tolerates sending out messages to a neutral audience; as User:Robert A West remarks, I am a mild inclusionist, and might have been expected, as he did expect, to vote to keep. (As in a sense I did; transwikiing means that the content is not lost to the wikimedia system.) Septentrionalis PMAnderson 16:49, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

You were invited to participate in an AfD. The spirit, if not the letter, of WP:CANVASS is to discourage editors from inviting other editors to !vote. I don't need to try to guess or understand the motives behind the invitation you received to !vote; it makes no difference as far as I am concerned. The point being that every edit I've made to that AfD have been in good faith, and until your accusations, I believe other editors felt my actions also improved the ability to discuss and follow conversations, regardless of the viewpoints of the participants. I do not agree with EconomistBR's viewpoint or all of his statements, but I believe he and I have both worked fairly and in good faith to ensuring this AfD results in the best decision for this encyclopedia. Throwing around personal attacks and bad faith accusations, like you have, has done nothing to improve the AfD.   user:j    (aka justen)   17:26, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Justin, I am sure that New Cold war articles will have to reappear in WP regardless to this AfD decision. But perhaps the creation of a disambig page was not such a bad idea. One of the articles could be about book by Lucas (although this book seems to be rather boring). I could not be more active because of this old ArbComm case. If you have any questions with regard to Russia-related subjects, please do not hesitate to ask. Best regards.Biophys (talk) 03:11, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Target Corporation

Hello, I read your comments on my talk page. There is nothing wrong with what I did without discussing it first because I was following the WP:BRD process. I don't mind bringing it up on the talk page—that article hasn't really been touched for quite a while and I have some ideas I may want to throw around—but please understand that I was following WP:BRD, with your edit being the bold change and my edit being the revert. I've been quite inactive on Wikipedia lately so I don't know who else is interested in discussing this article any more. But feel free to bring it up on the talk page anyways. Best regards, Tuxide (talk) of WikiProject Retailing 07:40, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Template:DoctorWhoEpisodeHead

Ok... I've about had it.

Sceptre seems hell bent on "fixing" the template with "live, this will be added across all the articles now" edits without bothering with the talk page.

- J Greb (talk) 01:08, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Doctor Who templates

Thanks, I reverted chronologically up to The Deadly Assassin last night, but the user DeadlyAssassin (ironically) has done the rest, I believe. But thanks for the offer all the same. U-Mos (talk) 10:18, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

OnStar page

Hi J, Just trying to update the OnStar page with information about the software that actually makes OnStar work (Airbiquity). I notice that you keep taking it down and am curious as to why? I understand that this is "not a directory of links," but this is a valid addition to the OnStar page. Verizon, Bell and Continental are all mentioned as partners and suppliers to OnStar, and Airbiquity should be as well. See the press release from Oct. 2007 for a better understanding of the relationship: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2007_Oct_15/ai_n21042061.

I look forward to hearing back from you.

thinktank77 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thinktank77 (talk • contribs) 16:32, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification J. I may instead craft a "Software" section to complement the "Hardware" section that isn't too cumbersome -- if that's even possible. We'll see what I can come up with. And thanks for the tip on embedding links. I am (obviously) new to editing Wikipedia and appreciate your guidance. Thinktank77 (talk) 16:43, 27 August 2008 (UTC) (aka Kristin)

New Cold War

Aloha,

As New Cold War will, most likely, be deleted, I've popped it up on my user page. If you feel like expanding the article, which I find quite interesting, please do. Whiskey in the Jar (talk) 07:29, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Sarah Palin

Hi J, I rolled you back - the intro should be in summary style. Best Kaisershatner (talk) 17:26, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I'm curious as to why you undid my edit in the Sarah Palin article; as far as I can see, the Anchorage Daily News [1] is a pretty reputable source (your reason for undoing it was 'assertion with two unreliable sources').

I'm not that familiar with Alaskan newspapers, but at least according to Wiki, the ADN is the main newspaper in the state. If I've misunderstood something here, please enlighten me.

Thanks Seleucus (talk) 21:25, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Since you don't seem to have noticed, I responded to your response on my talk page, as you requested. Seleucus (talk) 00:40, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

You just did another edit saying "the source does not support she knew" of harrassment issues with Kopp. The KTUU story says "Before appointing him, Palin said she was aware of the prior complaint against Kopp." Please read the source before making claims about it. Homunq (talk) 21:33, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Before appointing him, Palin said she was aware of the prior complaint against Kopp. http://www.ktuu.com/global/story.asp?s=8712164

I'm going to put back that she said she was aware of the complaint, please don't switch it out without coming to consensus with me, ok? Thanks. This is getting rapidly edited, I can see how that quote was missable, but I'm really trying to do this in good faith. Jensiverson (talk) 21:37, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello4321

You're right. Sorry! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hello4321 (talk • contribs) 22:33, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

NPR

Just FYI: former librarian who writes about Wikipedia wrote about the NPR piece. Jkbaum (talk) 05:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

New Great Game AfD

I think you should know one of the editors who argued so vigorously against the New Cold War article is now trying to do the same thing the New Great Game on AfD--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 06:39, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Sarah Palin

Wow, it sure didn't take long for her page & talk-page to get vandalized once McCain selected her. Having seen the baloney added to the talkpage in the last few minutes, I'm now in agreement, on semi-protecting it. GoodDay (talk) 17:03, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Baby Controversy

J, I think more appropriate for you to leave your comment as part of the section in Discussion rather than deleting it. That is unWiki, as I understand. I am floating it in Discussion, not the article. For you to summarily delete the Discussion thread is partisan or appears so, which I am sure cannot be the case. Kitchawan (talk) 21:30, 31 August 2008 (UTC)