User talk:Justin.JM.McNeil
Municipal population estimates
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Hello, I'm Hwy43. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Leamington, involving substitution of the latest federal census (Statistics Canada) population with a more recent population estimate. It's since been removed per WP:CANPOP, which states "the population figure and demographics from the last official Statistics Canada census is the principal definitive source for population data in articles." This allows for consistent comparison among all municipalities and communities across Canada.
Do note however that WP:CANPOP further states "properly sourced intercensal population and demographic updates from a government source such as Statistics Canada, a provincial statistical agency..., or a formal municipal census..., may be provided in addition to the 2016 census data... as long as the figures are reliably sourced".
If you need guidance on including population figures on Canadian articles, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Hwy43 (talk) 04:32, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
Justin.JM.McNeil (talk) 07:05, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
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Thank you for the insight and the information. It's a bit odd when we can't update outdated information from two years ago when our town has government mandatory records documenting it. isn't this what wikipedia was intended for-- people massing together the knowledge that would otherwise be unavailable to others? however, I do understand rules are rules, and I will of course abide by them. I appreciate you reaching out to me and lending me a hand so I do not continue to make mistakes like this in the future. I noticed I had "minor edit" checked off, which was needed to be corrected, so I went ahead and looked up the proper way to do so; Hopefully you can see I'm really not trying to be vicious is anyway or deliberately causing problems. Once again, Thank you for the insight and I will be giving WP:CANPOP a thorough read. Cheers.
Justin.JM.McNeil (talk) 09:38, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
Hello, so I've done some reading, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems perhaps I should be able to have the updated population as of the date of December 31st 2017, as I do have it properly sourced, so long as it's an addition to the wiki page and not a replacement of the latest federal census as it states in the WP:CANPOP page:
"Between censuses, properly sourced intercensal population and demographic updates from a government source such as Statistics Canada, a provincial statistical agency (such as BC Stats in British Columbia) or a formal municipal census (such as those in Alberta), may be provided in addition to the 2016 census data. For example, as long as the figures are reliably sourced, it is acceptable for an article to say that
In the Canada 2016 Census, the City of Vancouver had a population of 631,486 and Vancouver census metropolitan area (CMA) had a population of 2,463,431. As of 2017, the city had an estimated population of 637,083 and the CMA had an estimated population of 2,493,452."
again, my sources are provided direct from the "Annual Performance Report Leamington Distribution System Drinking Water System # 220004992" annual report that clearly states it is for The Municipality of Leamington, and is for the Municipal Residential. This is Ontario Regulation and law (O. Reg. 170/03) which is should be treated a valid source. As this is clearly not unofficial and shouldn't fall under "population estimates such as the "Welcome to Jonesville" sign at the city limits or the local Chamber of Commerce business directory, do not perform your own statistical analysis to arrive at an original research estimate, and do not round population figures or demographics off" as it was mandated by the Ontario government, is this alright? I'm not making any changes anymore myself, without going through you.
The report:
https://www.leamington.ca/en/ourcommunity/resources/2017-Leamington-Distribution-System-Annual-Report.pdf
(O. Reg. 170/03) Government Website:
https://www.ontariocanada.com/registry/view.do?postingId=12765
Specifically the law, and the reasons why they need the population:
https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/02s32#BK13 (Part 3, section 11)
If you're wondering about the history, this took me entirely too long to scrub through Wiki just to realize that "new line" icon was right there, just to have this in a suitable enough fashion for you to read. I tried replicating code that I can seen used in your text in order to make the spaces between paragraphs, but it wasn't working. I have no idea how I overlooked that icon, so I'm fully aware that I seriously have a lot of learning to do.
Justin.JM.McNeil (talk) 09:38, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
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