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I'm planning to expand the page to accommodate the franchise's growth, but I have a question: should I sort the Cinderella idols by caste/tribe/whatever (Cure, Cool, Passion, Trainer) as in jawiki? If not, should I sort the Other Idols by when they got their Cinderella Master singles? ミラP17:07, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
@Miraclepine: Organizing them by their category (Cure, Cool) would probably make the most sense since there are so many of them and they're official designations.--十八21:53, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll separate the major idols and sort the other idols with that system while adding some note directing those looking for the former to the section. ミラP22:11, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Re: Featured Topic delegate resignation
I thank you for your assistance with Featured Topics after all these years and I accept your resignation. I hope you will enjoy the time you will have not working as a delegate. See you around. GamerPro6402:15, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
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On the italicization of foreign-language song titles and Squid Girl
Foreign language texts are supposed to be wrapped in lang="ja-Latn" for screen readers. However, you are right, MOS:QUOTETITLE does indeed state, The convention of italicizing non-English words and phrases does not apply to proper names; thus, a title of a short non-English work simply receives quotation marks. Therefore, I plan to put my change back, but wrap the parameter to {{Nihongo3}} in {{noitalic}} instead. Do you object? Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) 21:33, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
@Psiĥedelisto: It seems like an adequate, yet convoluted step to take, considering that this would apply to literally thousands of other articles that use {{Nihongo}} in this way, such as any article that has an original Japanese title, like Hajime no Ippo. It would make more sense to create a new Nihongo template that did this, or edit the existing templates to work with screen readers.--十八21:42, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
@Psiĥedelisto: I'm just saying that if you applied {{noitalic}} in the manner you suggested, you would also have to do if for the thousands of other articles that would also need it in the same manner, which is obviously not very practical, which is why I suggested creating a new template or editing the existing one. Since this applies to more than just this one article, it would require there to be a wider consensus for these changes from WP:JAPAN and WP:ANIME that are the projects that primarily use these templates. |italic=no seems to be a useful solution, in lieu of inserting more code into these articles to make it more convoluted than it already is.--十八21:51, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Question about citations
Hello. On May 16, 2020, you reverted a request for citation on List of Ouran High School Host Club episodes - Episode 8. I'm confused about why. I thought direct quotes from any source needed to be cited. If I understand the protocol as presented, original quotations from an episode that appear in an episode's summary do not need citations. Yet, aren't direct quotes subject to translation interpretation? As such, wouldn't a citation for all quotes be a better route for validation?Ouranista (talk) 17:07, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
@Ouranista: That wasn't a direct quote from an external source. That was a quotation from the episode itself, so obviously the episode itself is the source since it appears in the summary. The summary makes this clear, since it said the twins accuse him of being "an S&M pervert." I don't know what would a different interpretation of that if that is what the twins actually said. But anyway, use of direct quotes in this way should really be avoided, since paraphrasing is better for summaries. The original summary even read they accuse him of S&M before the IP changed it.--十八21:42, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
@Juhachi Tbh, the only reason I did what I did was because the revised "summary" was false by virtue of it being an opinion. I didn't want to EW, so I thought a direct quote would clear things up. I would be more than happy to see the episode summary reverted to what it was prior to User:Bobieo's edits. Imo, the word "rape" is used too casually these days and Wikipedia needs to be clear when it is used in an article. Thanks for responding. Ouranista (talk) 19:12, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
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Hello, Juhachi (18 😉). I am trying to promote Weathering with You to GA status. The reviewer, Lee Vilenski commented that the production section is a bit flat and we need to expand it. I looked over on Google search but I couldn't find any English source about it? I believe there are some sources exist about it, but they are in Japanese. I unfortunately don't know Japanese, so I would appreciate it if you could help me look for them. Narutolovehinata told me that you know Japanese so I came to you. Ainz Ooal Gown (talk) 09:15, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
Hey Juhachi, do you have a Discord account? The people over at WP:DISCORD are asking if you could help provide input in editing discussion, particularly when it comes to anime-related stuff. Thanks! Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew22:34, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi, about the addition of narrators in the short stories section, I think it's a good thing to have because multiple narrators is an integral part of the Monogatari series, and showing this information would make things look more interesting for the short stories section. Even new narrators appears in those stories. IMO it just adds more than detracts from the article. Crosswrm (talk) 21:57, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
@Crosswrm:It's interesting is not a viable criteria for inclusion. You should ask yourself if something is encylopedic for whether or not it should be included. And as it stands, specifying who narrated what story is little more than trivia that has no bearing on the stories themselves as listed on Wikipedia. If you provided summaries for these stories, then it would be appropriate to include who narrated what, but outside of that, it doesn't need to be there. Besides, none of the novels and their arcs in the table above it specify the narrators either (nor should they, beyond summaries of those novels/stories).--十八22:47, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with Wikipedia editing policies so feel free to correct any misunderstanding I may have. You said "It's interesting is not a viable criteria for inclusion. You should ask yourself if something is encylopedic for whether or not it should be included". However, I've skimmed the page you linked to (which lists "arguments to avoid"), and two sections above I see this, which strikes me as relevant to your response:
"I don't like it / Delete as trivia." "This is the converse to I like it directly above. While some editors may dislike certain kinds of information, that alone isn't enough for something to be deleted. This may be coupled with (or replaced by) the unexplained claim that they feel that the information is "unencyclopedic" (see Just unencyclopedic, above). Such claims require an explanation of which policy the content fails and explanation of why that policy applies as the rationale for deletion."
The "Just unenclycopedic" links to the following:
"What shouldn't be included in the encyclopedia, what Wikipedia is not, has been defined by consensus. However, this includes many types of things, each having its own section within that or another policy. Therefore, the terms "unencyclopedic", and its flip-side "encyclopedic", are too general to be useful in deletion discussions. What we need to know are the specific reasons why the article should or should not be included. Otherwise, you just leave us guessing as to what you meant. Simply answer the question, What policy (or guideline) does it violate or meet, and how? An example of a well-specified deletion nomination is "The article is nothing more than a dictionary definition, and therefore violates WP:NOT#DICDEF"."
Therefore, my understanding is that you should explain how this violates a specific policy in order to justify this deletion.
From what I've seen, I do not think including these narrators in a table violates anything from https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_an_indiscriminate_collection_of_information : the closest fit would be point 3 about listing statistics, but this one actually recommends including them in tables to improve readability. The policies on avoiding trivia sections don't seem to apply either to me: first, in this case it's not a dedicated section or list of miscellaneous information without rhyme or reason, just an extra column in a table, which the page on trivia seems to recommend ("Trivia sections should not simply be removed from articles in all cases. It may be possible to integrate some items into the article text. Some facts may belong in existing sections, while others may warrant a new section. Integrate trivia items into the body of the article if appropriate."). Second, that same page explains "A trivia section is one that contains a disorganized and "unselective" list. However, a selectively populated list with a relatively narrow theme is not necessarily trivia, and can be the best way to present some types of information.". I do believe simply listing narrators inside of a table falls under this umbrella.
I believe WP:INDISCRIMINATE applies here where it states As explained in § Encyclopedic content above, merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia. The editor has to make a judgment call as to whether content, even if its sourced content, is even appropriate. We are talking about a table that lists short stories, where they were published, and their date of publication. Why and how the narrators of those individual stories have any bearing on the stories themselves outside of purely fan-related interest is really the crux of this issue here. Ask yourself the question, "Does removing the narrators impede the understanding of the list's function to list short stories?" and also "Is listing the narrators only of interest to people who are already fans of the series (and thus already know who these narrators are)?" If there is some kind of in-universe content that would only be understandable by fans of the series, and only has its context within that universe, then I don't see why it should be included because of the argument that "it looks nice."--十八12:04, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello again, since you're monitoring the List of Monogatari novels article I figured I might as well ask for your input about this matter.
For Orokamonogatari, the chapters are marked as such:
"Episode One: Sodachi Fiasco" (第一話 そだちフィアスコ, Dai Ichi Wa Sodachi Fiasuko)
"Episode Two: Suruga Bonehead" (第二話 するがボーンヘッド, Dai Ni Wa Suruga Bōnheddo)
"Episode Three: Tsukihi Undo" (第三話 つきひアンドゥ, Dai San Wa Tsukihi Andu)
I can confirm that the actual novel's index does number them as such (1, 2, 3). The issue is that it seems to have been made in error, and should all be "Episode Zero", like the two next novels Wazamonogatari and Nademonogatari (Off Season being a collection of those Episode Zero until Musubimonogatari).
Nisio Isin's afterword in that very same novel says the following (from a fan-translation, but it is accurate without a doubt):
"Anyway, this book is a collection of tales with three foolish girls as the main characters. [...] Ah, I could’ve only written this after I have finished the series, a compilation of chapter zeroes, but whether it’s the unyielding Oikura, the undeterred Kanbaru, or the undying Tsukihi, if it’s reviewed well, I might start writing a chapter one."
"This book is composed one hundred percent of stories I continued as a hobby, Monogatari’s Off Season, ‘Orokamonogatari Chapter Zero: Sodachi Fiasco, Chapter Zero: Suruga Bonehead, Chapter Zero: Tsukihi Undo’. Oh, and, I said they were a collection of chapter zeroes just now, but ‘collection’ is probably too strong a way of putting it."
Nisio Isin's afterword in the next novel, Wazamonogatari, has this:
"With that said, this was the second installment of the Monogatari Series Off Season. Like the previous book Orokamonogatari, it is a collection of zeroth episodes: “Episode Zero: Acerola Bon Appétit”, “Episode Zero: Karen Ogre”, and “Episode Zero: Tsubasa Sleeping”."
Clearly, the author seems to consider the Orokamonogatari arcs as Chapter Zero too, which would basically make what the Orokamonogatari index shows amount to a printing error. Thus I believe the List of Monogatari novels article should be edited to mark them as Chapter Zero as stipulated by the author, with possibly a note or something to explain that the index of the actual book doesn't match. What do you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.236.123.157 (talk) 03:50, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, you could change them all to Zero, and then add a note with {{efn}} explaining that they were numbered differently in the index.--十八11:01, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
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I guess we should update the template to use "surname" instead of "family name"? That would be a better term...
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Hi, I just moved the Love Live! page per the consensus, but it looks like you also wanted to publish your userspace page to Love Live! now in place of the current redirect. Did you want that done now, or are you still working on it? The WP:RM/TR post didn't say not to leave a redirect behind... If you do, it's probably best to fix the backlinks first. Let me know. -2pou (talk) 20:04, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
I am the person who edited the page lovelive sunshine recently.
I wanted to discuss about the problem before I edit it again to avoid frequent changes in the page.
You said the first letter of the group's name is a Greek letter μ,not a Latin letter M. The reason why you said that is because the twelveth Greek capital letter is also M. Besides, the group's logo is just a picture that represents itself and has nothing to do with the group's name. There are also a lot of examples of not putting the group's name in its logo.
For the reason mentioned above,I think writing the name M's is more appropriate than μ's.
@Commoncapricorn: Yes, typically, it would be more appropriate, but not in this case. If nothing else, reliable third-party sources always use μ's and never M's: [1], [2]. To say nothing of primary sources like [3]. It is also not uncommon to render a proper noun with a leading lowercase letter on Wikipedia if that is how it is officially rendered, such as will.i.am and k.d. lang, or cases like eBay or iPad. If nothing else, I doubt there would be consensus among others who regularly edit Love Live! articles to change μ's to M's, and since it would affect more than just the one article you edited, consensus would have to be achieved to do it on a broader scale, but as I said, I doubt that would happen for what I have already stated.--十八22:53, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
I've never heard of will.i.am and k.d.lang.I know that M's may sound weird to most people because there's a confusion between Greek letter M/μ and Latin letter M/m.EBay and IPad may also sound weird because there's another capital letter just next to the first letter. I don't know whether there's a special reason that writing Will.i.am and K.d.lang will make their fans feel uncomfortable,but since the first proper noun that its first letter isn't written in capital letter was officially created,people spontaneously thought that the letters used to write the name of companies,singers,groups,or newly invented products can be written in any form they want.Well,that was fine to me because after all,languages were created to help people communicate,and people has now achieved a consensus of using μ's rather than M's.--Commoncapricorn (talk) 11:54, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2021!
Hello Juhachi, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2021. Happy editing, Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew09:06, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
