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Manchester

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The following comment 'Do you have any refs that summarise its position vis-a-vis the City of Manchester? ' was put on my talk page. I added this to the Manchester page. Your edit was unconstructive. You should have either left the reference, or removed the entire bronze age finds statement. Hstudent (talk) 10:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Manchester Airport

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If you don't agree with something and it has a reference then you shouldn't undo it. If it does have a reference you should add a fact tag unless it is obvious it is untrue, such as if a statement like "18 planes heading for Manchester Airport every day crash" I have an Ordance Map of Manchester and surroundings copyrighted in 1979 which shows the exact land the airport occupied pre-Runway 2, but after the new Greater Manchester council areas were created. I've tried to look for an online version, but so far my efforts have been unsuccessful.

In reverting the edits did you even notice that I had added the Airport's point of view in the Criticism section?

You seem to be too quick in just pressing revert.

Sheliaval (talk) 08:45, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Explain how adding a refernce is vandalism? I spent 40 minutes adding references which someone had carelessly removed yesterday and someone undid them because they weren't happy with one reference being a word document, even though it was from a local government site. Then put one of the reasons for the revert as 'Manchester Airport is not in the city of Manchester district' which wasn't something that I had put in the article. Sheliaval (talk) 08:41, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I fail to see any information on the Manchester article to say that the airport is located within the City of Manchester. The fact that Heald Green (a town in it's own right) seperates the city from the airport seems to make your claim invalid in itself. Also the term 'airport' not just applies to the terminals, but both runways, the cargo centre and the aviation viewing park. The latter has a postal address of Manchester Airport Aviation Viewing Park, Altrincham Road, WILMSLOW, SK9 4LR As Wilmslow is a Cheshire town with a Stockport postcode it means that not only is the viewing park not in the city of Manchester, it is also not in Greater Manchester Hstudent (talk) 12:23, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rochdale

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Quality removed SPAM. Do you like it?

Stop removing my link to central mosque rochdale please as it is not spam. I will continue to place the link before link4life

A quick question

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Why did you remove this "[[Historic counties of England|Historic county]]" from the Liverpool article, why is this not a releveant historical fact? Sillyfolkboy (talk) 02:21, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


leicester gangs

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how is any of what I wrote "crap"? All of it is true and is written in the same manner as the other sections. as far as I can see it is as valid as anything else on that page.

Perhaps in future you should think before deleting articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.220.95 (talk) 15:40, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

June Newsletter, Issue VIII

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No worries

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Hi there - no problems with you removing my comment. I just thought it may help generate a spirit of compromise if I pointed out that I am actually not voting for what I believe to be the most accurate description ('...country within the United Kingdom' would be my preferred wording) but rather for a compromise position. Cheers Fishiehelper2 (talk) 19:56, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Report

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Hi there, I thought I'd let you know that Fonez4mii has been reported for suspected sockpupperty over Here. Jack forbes (talk) 15:11, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Joshii, I advice you to go to the RfA page and plain reject this RfA nomination as soon as posible. I see that this person is nominating you on good faith, but he is an unexperienced editor, and I think that he/she doesn't realize that if you let this RfA continue, then you will only succeed on getting wiktionary:lambasted to heck and back due to the blocks you had only 3 months ago. --Enric Naval (talk) 02:09, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Constituent country

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There has been a long centralized discussion at Talk:United Kingdom, in which it was decided with 83.33% consensus that constituent country would be used to describe England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. However, users at Scotland are saying that they will not accept a consensus made on another page, so I would like to inform you that there is now a similar vote on the Scotland talk page. Cheers --fone4me 20:35, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Counties

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Re the whole traditional counties issue, note that it was the administrative counties of England that were abolished in 1974, rather than historic county boundaries. It's not strictly true to say 1974 was the cut off for those territories; when people say "real/traditional" boundaries, they usually (and unknowingly) are refering to the admin counties! Mentioning the historic counties of England in the lead sections is a good thing - other than the obvious historic association, they're rather useful for amature genealogists, and can avoid confusion for the less informed. :-) --Jza84 |  Talk  12:06, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This was my point exactly last night and I now believe the statements that were removed be re-instated. Darkieboy236 (talk) 12:38, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... in the spirit of WP:PLACE of course. --Jza84 |  Talk  12:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question

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Where did you get the new figure of Liverpool One's retail area in this list? When I inserted the figure for the centre initially I picked the most conservative estimate, and I cannot seem to find the figure you've given anywhere. Thanks, Asdfasdf1231234 (talk) 19:00, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks for clarifying that :) Asdfasdf1231234 (talk) 12:02, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Liverpool Urban Area 'greater Liverpool

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I am not sure how this works, but I am seeking additional opinions on the discussion on this page, I will abide by the general consensus. User JZA continues to undermine my edits and has done over a period. However I am only looking at opinions on the discussion page on Liverpool Urban Area if you are interested please leave your thoughts. Thank you. Dmcm2008 (talk) 10:12, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Don't suppose you could re-review this could you? I think it may be C or even B-class but am uncertain. Parrot of Doom (talk) 14:45, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Skyscrapers Wiki

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I would like to invite you to the skyscraper wiki. It currently does not have many contributers.

The link is HERE

Houstontowers (talk) 22:31, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome back!

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Good to see you're back! --Jza84 |  Talk  00:33, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You said a while ago that the issue preventing the List of railway stations in Greater Manchester article from reaching FL was that some dates were missing. Mr Stephen has since filled in most of the gaps and now only one station (Manchester United FC Halt) is a problem. I think the article is ready to be taken to WP:FLC, one station really shouldn't be an issue as far as I'm concerned. I think Hassocks5489 would be interested in helping out if he can (see here).

And while I'm here, it's good to see you're back. Nev1 (talk) 17:08, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oxford Wikimania 2010 and Wikimedia UK v2.0 Notice

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Hi,

As a regularly contributing UK Wikipedian, we were wondering if you wanted to contribute to the Oxford bid to host the 2010 Wikimania conference. Please see here for details of how to get involved, we need all the help we can get if we are to put in a compelling bid.

We are also in the process of forming a new UK Wikimedia chapter to replace the soon to be folded old one. If you are interested in helping shape our plans, showing your support or becoming a future member or board member, please head over to the Wikimedia UK v2.0 page and let us know. We plan on holding an election in the next month to find the initial board, who will oversee the process of founding the company and accepting membership applications. They will then call an AGM to formally elect a new board who after obtaining charitable status will start the fund raising, promotion and active support for the UK Wikimedian community for which the chapter is being founded.

You may also wish to attend the next London meet-up at which both of these issues will be discussed. If you can't attend this meetup, you may want to watch Wikipedia:Meetup, for updates on future meets.

We look forward to hearing from you soon, and we send our apologies for this automated intrusion onto your talk page!

Addbot (talk) 20:53, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Greater Manchester September Newsletter, Issue IX

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Delivered on 2 September 2008 by Nev1. If you do not wish to receive future newsletters, please add two *s by your username on the Project Mainpage.

Motto of the day

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Hello, I notice you're using one of the {{motd}} templates, run by Wikipedia:Motto of the day. You may have noticed that some of the mottos recently have been followed by a date from 2006, or on occasion simply "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia". The reason for this is that Motto of the day is in some very serious need of help. Participation in the project, which has never been especially high, has dropped considerably over this past summer, to the point we have had several days where no motto was scheduled to appear at all. Over the past several weeks, I've been the only editor scheduling mottos at all, but there aren't enough comments on some of these mottos to justify their use. If we do not get some help - and soon - your daily mottos will stop. In order for us to continue updating these templates for you, we need your help.

When you get a chance between your normal editing, could you stop by our nominations page and leave a few comments on some of the mottos there, especially those that do not have any comments yet? This works very simply; you read a motto, decide whether or not you like it, and post your opinion just below the motto. That's it - no experience required, just an idea of what you personally like and what you feel reflects Wikipedia and its community. If you do have past experience with the project, then please close some of the older nominations once they've got a decent consensus going. There are directions on the nominations page on how to do this.

If you have any questions, please let me know, or post on the project's talk page. I'm looking forward to reading your comments on the suggested mottos, and any additional suggestions you'd like to make. Until then, happy editing! Hersfold (t/a/c) 02:09, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Joshii,

As noted above by Nev1, I've done some more work on the list you started, including finding out the opening date of MUFC Halt, and I shall nominate it at WP:FLC accordingly. I'll try to overcome any problems or concerns myself, but I'll bring anything significant to the project talk page. Thanks for creating the list and all the groundwork you have done! Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 18:49, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Greater Manchester October Newsletter, Issue X

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Still around?

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I'm thinking of doing a bit of an improvement drive to the GM TIF stuff. Are you still around? If so, I've started a template in User:Jza84/Sandbox2 to start to tie things together and thought you might want to help :) --Jza84 |  Talk  15:23, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Greater Manchester November Newsletter, Issue XI

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Merseyside articles

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Hi there,

Glad to see the UK skyscrapers template is now consistent! The reason i'm messaging you is with regards to recent edits you've made to Merseyside articles, notably Chinatown, Liverpool and Liverpool itself. Whilst I totally agree with the sentiment that uncited information has no place on wiki, I was wondering if in future any 'removals' you may see as necessary could be run past me first so I can check for a references. My motto is if you can't find a reference in 5 mins your not going to find one at all, so it doesn't hurt to look! Anyway the reason I'm mentioning this is because Liverpool articles and those of the Merseyside area as a whole are generally pretty rubbish and removing information is only going to make them worse. Thanks --Daviessimo (talk) 21:58, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Greater Manchester December Newsletter, Issue XII

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You should not have reverted this edit as "vandalism"

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At the time I checked there was no subpage for this WP:FPORTC, merely a redlink. I noted as much in my edit summary. For you to then revert me using the edit summary: Reverted 1 edit by Cirt identified as vandalism to last revision by Joshii. is highly inappropriate. A more appropriate edit summary could have been: Sorry, the subpage was not created yet but it is there now. Cirt (talk) 21:01, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is highly inappropriate to not wait more than a couple of minutes for me to create the subpage. Joshiichat 21:03, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Do not mark an edit as "vandalism" in your edit summaries again that is not blatant and obvious vandalism. Thanks. Cirt (talk) 21:04, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Do not remove other editors additons without first asking if they are planning to create the subpage, why would I add it to the list and not make a subpage?! It should be obvious that I was creating it. Thanks. Joshiichat 21:06, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Apology

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Hey, regarding the above subsection, I have given this some thought and I wanted to apologize to you. I absolutely should have contacted you first to ask you if you were going to create a portal discussion page, or just waited, instead of removing that transcluded discussion page from Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates. That was out of line of me and I am sorry. I think Portal:Greater Manchester actually looks pretty good and I will take some time to review it and make some suggestions on how it could be improved further. Yours, Cirt (talk) 21:33, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Greater Manchester January Newsletter, Issue XIII

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JPT

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Respond to the comments made in the discussion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tescoid (talkcontribs) 14:57, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Portal:Greater Manchester

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Hey, Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Greater Manchester/archive1 was a FP fail I'm afraid, but we got some good feedback. Let me know if I can help expand the selected pictures bit. --Jza84 |  Talk  02:13, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Greater Manchester February Newsletter, Issue XIV

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Smile!

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Manchester - Liverpool Metropole area

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Hi,

Regarding your recent revert in the List of metropolitan areas in Europe by population article and whether you agree or not with Manchester and Liverpool to be amalgamated, you are kindly invited to contribute to the discussion. Furthermore, I would appreciate if you reinstated the warning on the page as the matter apparently still need to be settled.

Kind regards, Ghaag (talk) 05:39, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

@Ghaag: The information in the table is identical to that found in the source, so how is the Manchester-Liverpool area any more dubious than the figure for Copenhagen-Malmö? If you have a problem with the source as a whole you should explain that rather than target a single entry in the table. Nev1 (talk) 13:36, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly why I reverted, thanks Nev1. Joshiichat 16:56, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
My point here is simply about inviting people to join the discussion on the article page. I initially inserted warnings on the page to indicate that the accuracy of the specific fact is contested. I completely accept your points regarding the source and the many discrepancies but I think they should be made on the article's talk page. Hence my request for the warnings to be reinstated since they have not been addressed.
Ghaag (talk) 00:09, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Greater Manchester March Newsletter, Issue XV

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Ringway

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Hi Joshii. I was going to argue with your reversion of my Manchester Airport edit on the grounds that I thought Wikipedia UK policy was to describe locations as place, ceremonial county, but having seen the debate on your talk page from last year about whether or not the airport is in the City of Manchester I think I'll keep quiet! Skinsmoke (talk) 22:33, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tourism in Manchester

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While the information you're restoring is sourced, the source has changed since it was first added and no longer mentioned Manchester being the third most visited city in the UK. The Internet Archive can't help here, so it would be best either to remove the fact or find a new source (although it may be buried somewhere on the marketingmanchester.com website). Nev1 (talk) 20:35, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have fixed it. {{deadlink}} – not removal – is correct form, of course. Mr Stephen (talk) 23:26, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ta, deletion shouldn't always be the first answer. Joshiichat 18:45, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gunchester

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You're the only person disputing the addition of this nickname to the Manchester article. Please explain why, and also why just one person's disagreement shows the lack of concensus; others disagree over other parts of the article, so to follow the same logic would see large parts of it disappear. I also note that you appear to have now breached the 3-revert rule over this. Matthew (talk) 23:12, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The term adds nothing of value to the article. It is simply media histeria, a way for the tabloid press to dumb down a common problem in British cities. A note in the Demographics section relating the the crime statistics would be acceptable but it should not feature in the infobox. Wikipedia does not need to be dumbed down the same way the red tops are. Joshiichat 18:44, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Greater Manchester June Newsletter, Issue XVI

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Nev1 (talk) 13:45, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Greater Manchester July Newsletter, Issue XVII

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Nev1 (talk) 19:31, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

JP Travel notability

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I've re-tagged this article as needing reliable sources to indicate notability, as currently the article is completely lacking in such things. It needs secondary sources which explain why this company requires an article on Wikipedia. I've also tagged it as a travel guide, as it consists almost entirely of route and itinery information. Articles on companies should be about the companies themselves. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:19, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Greater Manchester August Newsletter, Issue XVIII

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Nev1 (talk) Nev1 (talk) 17:40, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is currently a discussion regarding splitting of the Leeds article. As you were involved in the previous merge discussion you might be interested in this. Quantpole (talk) 22:03, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have nominated 1 Hardman Square, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1 Hardman Square. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.
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The article Food and drink in Manchester has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

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Nomination of Food and drink in Manchester for deletion

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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Food and drink in Manchester is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Featured Article Review for Greater Manchester

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