User talk:Jorm (WMF)/Collaborative Systems

Hey Brandon, I think your link to the plazas and warrens essay is broken -- I think you mean to link to this: http://blog.bumblebeelabs.com/social-software-sundays-2-the-evaporative-cooling-effect/ Sue Gardner (talk) 04:00, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

D'oh! I've fixed the link. I was using local wiki syntax and not remote link syntax. Thanks!--Jorm (WMF) (talk) 06:33, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Echo chamber"

Hi Brandon, interesting text :-) One of your points, however, is in wikipedia exactly reversed in my experience. You write: "Further, with community stagnation comes community frustration. Discourses can easily become circular without new opinions being raised. This can cause existing community members to become "fed up" more quickly. Disagreements become arguments and then attacks." In Wikipedia, it's not about new opinions being raised (though these may be missing, too). To the contrary, newbies tend to raise points which experienced Wikipedians have discussed to death over the years. For the newbie it's a new and interesting subject of debate. For the old wikipedian it's the nth time someone is proposing "why don't we do...". Result though is the same as you describe: "This can cause existing community members to become "fed up" more quickly. Disagreements become arguments and then attacks." --Elian ^Talk 20:42, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but no: Yes, a lot of the allegedly "new ideas" have been listed at WP:PEREN for years. However, "new opinions", in the sense of "any opinion I personally don't share and don't believe the whole community shared last time I thought about it", are shouted down all the time. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:07, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]