User talk:Jonny-mt/Archive 8

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WP:HAU, Status, and you!

As you may know, the StatusBot responsible for maintaining the status of the Highly Active Users was taken offline. We now have a replacement in the Qui status system. This semi-automatic system will allow you to easily update your status page found at Special:Mypage/Status which the HAU page code is now designed to read from. If you are already using Qui (or a compatible system) - great! - no action is needed (other than remembering to update your status as necessary). If not, consider installing Qui. You can also manually update this status by changing the page text to online, offline, or busy. While it is not mandatory, the nature of HAU is that people are often seeking a quick answer from someone who is online and keeping our statuses up-to-date will assist with this. Note if you were previously using your /Status page as something other than a one-word status indicator, your HAU entry may have been set to "status=n" to correct display issues. Please clear this parameter if you change things to be "HAU compatible". Further questions can be raised at WT:HAU. This message was delivered by xenobot 23:15, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Notability tag

Hi, on 3rd April you have added notability tag to the article Open Market For Internet Content Accessibility. The article has been improved from that time. Now I'd like to ask you to look through the article, and maybe reconsider your decision. Thanks. Kiranoush (talk) 06:32, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Wiki question

Aloha Jonny, I hope you're doing well. Dumb question time. Can you point me to a shortcut way to post a vandalism warning on someone's page after I rollback? I guess I use that feature a little bit more than I thought I would. Mahalo! Makana Chai (talk) 08:14, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I still use Twinkle to post warnings--unfortunately, the rollback feature doesn't allow for semi-automagic warnings like the Twinkle rollback feature does, so the best thing to do is simply copy the article name, open up the user's talk page (should be linked from the "Action complete" page), and post the warning that way. It sounds complicated, but once you get used to the flow it's actually quite easy and a good bit more reliable than the Twinkle rollback. --jonny-m t 02:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks I'll try Twinkle. Makana Chai (talk) 08:09, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Jonny, EAT ME

Dear Jonny, kindly round up your fellow paid Bahai IT committee hacks here and come and kiss my @#$% BahaimItCommitteeKissMyAssAgain (talk) 04:07, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Done. Enjoy your vacation. --jonny-m t 04:10, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion_requests/Image:AuschwitzProtocolsmap.jpg

I think your request to delete i.e http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Image:AuschwitzProtocolsmap.jpg

that image is historical and am sure if those people were your great grand parents who suffered and died or your children you'd be out on the streets screaming in outrage. So as a Nigerian and a black person i dont have any links to the killings done by Nazi nor are the people who died in the WWII camps my direct relatives, but i think your request really lacks concience and is more of a ANTI-HISTORY or FINANCIAL issue and maybe you wish to forget the past. please leave the photo, i only just read about the issue yesterday and the photo was an immense help in understanding the madness nazi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.15.234.216 (talk) 06:10, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah, this is why I took the "en me" link out of my Commons signature. If you take the time to actually look at my comment, you'll see that my argument for deletion is based on the licensing requirements of Commons, which is a free media depository. Since there is substantial doubt about whether or not this work is free, I suggested that it could not be hosted on Commons, although I suggested that it could be used under fair use on the various wikis.

Incidentally, members of my family did indeed suffer under the Nazi regime, but surprisingly enough this has nothing to do with whether the image is freely licensed. --jonny-m t 03:48, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

List of Nations in Ace Combat

Hello. during a recent AfD of a purported new article, it was noted that a similar article had been deleted in the past. The current AfD might benefit from seeing a userified or history only version of the previous article. I know any admin can do this but you seem to be active so I asked you. :) You may userify it to my userspace if you like. thanks! Protonk (talk) 19:56, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, let's wait for the deletion discussion to close first. Feel free to suggest userfication or transwiki if you'd like--I'm sure the closing admin would be glad to help you out. --jonny-m t 03:50, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps I was unclear. I'm looking for a userified copy of the first Nations of Ace Combat in order to see if the current article under discussion (List of nations of Ace Combat) is fundamentally a recreation of content previously deleted here. Since you deleted it, I figured you would be the one to ask. Protonk (talk) 03:57, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Oop! No, you were clear--I'm just dumb. I'll undelete a history-only version of the article for review in the current AfD if you like, but I have to agree that it's different enough that the current article doesn't fall under the G4 speedy deletion criteria. --jonny-m t 04:08, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

It's no big deal. One editor is asking if it is "substantially" better than the current version or if it contains some bit of information that could be merged into the current article then making the current article worthy of a merge to some hypothetical main article. That may seem convoluted but it's the request. If you feel that isn't the case, then I wouldn't bother. Thanks for your help! Protonk (talk) 04:11, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Lucky Cement, Original Research.

I did, in fact, read the "no original research" rule, and if you had indeed read my article you would have seen that I ONLY wrote facts. I stated the website where I got my facts from. This is just so unbelievably ridiculous! I spent an hour of my very busy day trying to lay out an article that others could benefit from, and you "speedily deleted" it.

I understand the problem you regularly face with "original research", and how people use wikipedia as a forum to publish their own ideas, thoughts and opinions. I applaude the fact that people like you remove this rubbish from wikipedia and make sure it remains 'clean'. However, I think you can certainly see that my article was an exception.

The information was either taken from the Lucky Cement website, the Dawn (a local newspaper) or from their Annual Report (2007). I am not an employee of lucky cement and hold no stake in the company. This article was primarily meant to be educational. It was originally flagged for being "blatant" promotion of the company. This is NOT true.

I am not an advanced web user, I did not exactly know how to glamourise my article in the way that all wikipedia articles are, but I was certainly trying to figure things out. You didn't even give me a chance.

This whole experience has been so off putting that I wish never to publish an article for wikipedia again. Amajidulla (talk) 09:18, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Jcoder Java Editor is a non-advertising article

i found this product from google and just wanted to add this new software to wikipedia. Jcoder is a freeware, it's no point to advertise it on wikipedia. This product is getting famous now. You can try to google it: http://www.google.ca/search?source=ig&hl=fr&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENHK263&=&q=jcoder&btnG=Recherche+Google.

I think it's normal for people to find a famous product from wikipedia. If you think my article is too commercial, please advise how i can improve it.

thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.246.65.46 (talk) 08:50, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Help, please...

Hello Jonny-mt,

I would ask your help as administrator. I was working on Beach soccer to create some important teams and their rosters just before the upcoming World Cup in France. However, i created both Russia national beach soccer team and Russian national beach soccer team. Could you help me to delete the surplus one, please? It is the second one.

Thank you.

--Umi1903 (talk) 18:20, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Done! In the future, you can request deletion of articles you created using {{db-author}} (please note that you have to be the only significant contributor for this to work). --jonny-m t 01:04, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you mate.. Cheers! --Umi1903 (talk) 16:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

You might be interested ...

... in this: WP:Requests for checkuser/Case/Fatimazuhra786

These guys may be sandbagging WP:Articles for deletion/Most Great Name.

Cheers, MARussellPESE (talk) 21:37, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up; I think checkuser was a good idea here. I've fixed the code on the request and added it to my watchlist! --jonny-m t 02:47, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Another suspected sockpuppet: User:GoToHellBahaim. Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 01:33, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

One other point, on Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/SecretChiefs3 it was confirmed that User:Truegardenvariety and User:Gardensong were socks of User:SecretChiefs3, but there has been no block on them. Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 01:36, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the update--I've tagged User:GoToHellBahaim, and User:Tiptoety already got the other two. --jonny-m t 05:39, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Getting back in touch ...

Hi Jonny,

Today we met again in Wikipedia and I was wondering if the proposal to do an en-wiki meeting in Tokyo is still standing.

Regards, Miguel

Hi Miguel,

I'm kind of hoping to do an en-wiki meeting in Tokyo if Jimbo ever gets back here--I understand he's usually here on a fairly regular basis, but it's been a while. Naturally, if there are enough of us who are interested (and I see a fairly decent number), I wouldn't mind getting together at an izakaya or singing some karaoke.... --jonny-m t 07:29, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Possible impersonator username

Hi Jonny, I saw the message you left this John Barrowman impersonator, and thought you might want to leave a similar message for User:Sean Borg. This user has edited Sean Borg, so it's either a matter of impersonation or conflict of interest. I've already left this user the standard COI notice template, but I think you know more than I do about how to deal with the possibility of impersonation. --Icarus ^(Hi!) 03:13, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up; I'll take of this during the day today! --jonny-m t 03:19, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Requests

WolterBot

WolterBot scanned all of the currently tagged articles and updated the current number of disputed articles:

Accuracy disputes - 2
NPOV disputes - 18

Any chance you can take a look sometime this month and report back to the news bureau for an update in the August newsletter? Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 07:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Papakolea Beach

Since this is basically your baby, I was wondering if you could take a look at Papakolea Beach again. I'm sure we could at least bump it up to C or B-Class, but more importantly, I think we can get it up to GA. Let me know what you think. There's still a lot of information about the physical location that doesn't appear in the current article but can be found in the references. Also, I'm sure we can significantly expand the geology content. Viriditas (talk) 07:47, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Those both sound like good ideas to me--I'm less convinced now that Papakolea Beach can move up to GA than I was during the initial expansion, but it certainly wouldn't hurt to give it a shot :) Naturally, I want to focus on Hawaiian religion this month, but I'll see if I can't do some research on the side as well. --jonny-m t 02:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Just a note to myself (and MiszaBot) that I brought these back from the archives to work on. --jonny-m t 07:26, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to start the August newsletter soon, so any help in regard to these topics (and even an update/followup on Hawaiian religion would be appreciated. :) Viriditas (talk) 07:53, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Kenji Nagai

Hey, Jonny. I hope you had a good, relaxing break. Listen, I was wondering if you had access to any Japanese language sources regarding Kenji Nagai. I would like to update and expand the article a bit, but I'm having trouble finding good English refs. No hurry on this at all, but let me know at some point. Viriditas (talk) 13:33, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Sure--there's a ton of stuff online. Anything in particular you need? --jonny-m t 03:53, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, I assume that there is more biographical information about him in Japanese language sources than there is the English press. That's a starter. I'm also looking to update the article and expand it. I'm sure Japan made some kind of formal protest, and that there has been some kind of recognition or apology from Burma; anything along those lines. I'm just trying to bring the article up to speed. I would also like to know how the incident affected Japanese society. Do journalists have to take new precautions? Viriditas (talk) 06:56, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll be happy to do some full translations later on if you'd like, but for the time being I tracked down a couple of articles as starting points. This is an editorial written by Yoshihide Matsumura, who is apparently the president of a company specializing in counterfeit bills and someone who knew him personally--apparently he saw him in Thailand and didn't know he was going to Burma (Myanmar in Japanese). There's also this article, which discusses a grassroots-level assembly seeking the return of videotape shot by Nagai (echoing a request from his father in December and continuing petitions started in October). The Yomiuri Shinbun also asked journalists to name the ten biggest stories of 2007, and they chose the Burma demonstrations and Nagai's death as the biggest.

I'll keep looking, but I wasn't able to find anything in Japanese on the apology--this is probably due to the fact that most newspaper websites restrict access to their archives (or simply don't provide them) as well as the technical issues related to searching in Japanese. It seems that there was one, though, judging by this English-language article, although I'll take some more time and check out how well it was received. --jonny-m t 03:12, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow, great work! Should I copy this entire discussion to Talk:Kenji Nagai so that myself and others can keep it close at hand for reference, or would you prefer me to leave it here? Viriditas (talk) 07:55, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Image question

Hi. Do you have the ability to undelete these two images:

My understanding is that the original uploader was willing to release them to Wikipedia under a compatible free license. Viriditas (talk) 08:10, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I have the technical ability to undelete them, but I need to be sure that the uploader intends to release them under a compatible license. I saw there was mention of you explaining licensing issues to them at Talk:Greg Mortenson#Images--should I let you have at it, or would you prefer that I fill them in? --jonny-m t 09:25, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome to contribute. Two of the three photos Tauheed uploaded were created by him, and were intended for free (cc-by-sa-2.0) use on Wikipedia. The third (which you can see in the log) did not belong to him and was appropriately deleted. Viriditas (talk) 09:28, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I will ask him again. Viriditas (talk) 09:35, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Looking for help

Jonny,

I think this is not your area, but you might know somebody that can help me. I am proposing Euro gold and silver commemorative coins (Austria) for FL. We have been challenged by the amount of non-free images (although all of them are OK under the fair-use rationale for currency images). I was under the impression that pictures of coins can be used under the fair-use rationale, but the large number of non-free images is what is challenged in the article. Details of the discussion here. Do you know anyone that is an expert in this area? Thanks,

Miguel.mateo (talk) 09:15, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow, two image-related questions in as many days. It's like you heard about my Commons RfA and decided to come test me >.<

Actually, I checked it out, and it seems that you may be out of luck here. As you are apparently aware, these coins are subject to copyright since they issued not by the European Central Bank (which would make them free enough for our purposes) but instead by the private Austrian mint, which appears to retain copyright (although this deletion discussion on Commons is somewhat informative). Since WP:NFC states that "images that are used only to visually identify elements in the article should be used as sparingly as possible" for lists, it seems that there's little you can do to address these objections short of demonstrating that these images are in fact free or simply cutting down on the number of them in the list.

I'll open a discussion on the Commons licensing talk page to get some opinions from people who know more about this than I do. --jonny-m t 14:32, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Monokini

No problem. I just noticed the change on the page and went to investigate. Innocent. -mattbuck (Talk) 16:21, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Father Damien sock farm

Sigh. I've been ignoring this for a while, in the hope that they would get bored and go away, but the socks seem to be multiplying exponentially and are hovering under 20 accounts at the moment. I'm not sure whether I should file a RFCU or what, but it seems like its one account talking to itself on Talk:Father Damien, and perhaps even arguing with its other accounts. Aside from very minor trolling of the talk page, they haven't caused much trouble nor do they appear malicious, but if a serious dispute did arise, I could see how the "soldiers" would be called into duty. Here's a current list sorted by account creation date, although be warned that false positives are possible:

What course of action do you suggest? Viriditas (talk) 23:41, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

That...is quite possibly the strangest thing I have ever seen on Wikipedia. Seriously, this beats SecretChief and his sock puppets, because at least there the hallucinogenics were to blame. From a policy standpoint, there's not all that much that can be done--undeclared multiple accounts are allowed as long as they don't start stacking deletion discussions, evading blocks/bans, or trying to form the illusion of consensus, so I believe arguing with yourself is fine. I'm not sure that checkuser or blocks would be appropriate here, either, since as you mentioned they're not doing anything malicious (which means that any potential block would be preventative and thus not allowed). I gotta be honest and tell you that I'm stumped; I'm going to ask for some extra opinions on WP:AN. --jonny-m t 14:24, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! That was a helpful message you left on the article talk page. Very nice. Viriditas (talk) 17:15, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Cheers.

No hard feelings Johnny. I did, admittedly, feel my last addition lacked a little something to make it look like a more stable, solid article.

On your recommendation I looked through the tutorials and studied them a little harder. I really would like to expand on this article, but there are so many things to keep in mind now! Writing a wiki article is definately quite a labourious process!

And unfortunately obtaining urdu sources isn't that easy, for two reasons:

Urdu sources online tend to be written in roman-urdu (and hence aren't always accurate); and
My urdu isn't very good!

I'm going to spend some time gathering a few more sources, a local newspaper has an online archive that goes as far back as the first of January 2004 (it's a start).

Anyway, thank you for ermm... *forcing* me to put in a bit more effort into writing this article.

Cheers,
Amajidulla (talk) 09:07, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

SE-ScreenSavers

Hi. So you did not think SE-ScreenSavers is advertising? Why then do you think a company releases free software and tries to get you to their web site to download it? The creater has shown COI. It is clear WP:SPAM IMO. --triwbe (talk) 09:26, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

In my opinion, the article isn't blatant enough to warrant deletion under WP:CSD#G11. By "blatant" I typically mean "full of marketing terms", such as this excerpt from an article I deleted a few minutes ago:

Today Mazhuvenchery Dental Clinic is an institution that is fundamentally about excellence and assigns itself two complementary roles: Quality and Service. Quality aims at placing itself among the top dental centers worldwide. Service aspires to provide the best possible management for patients and community. And we can reach all these high qualities only by being equipped with the latest equipment and technology.
Our Vision
Is to provide high quality dental care for our patients so that each of them may enjoy optimal dental health throughout their lifetime.
Our Mission
To deliver the highest possible level of care with empathy and understanding. To continually pursue excellence through continues learning ,team growth and mastery of leading edge technology.
The Personal Touch
Our concept of professional dental care goes beyond the latest in equipment and technology. We are dedicated to caring for people, not just their teeth. We treat our patients as we ourselves wish to be treated.

It goes on like that. This is blatant spam, obviously written with promotional intent. On the other hand, something that simply provides a few lines providing a brief description on a piece of software could well have been written with encyclopedia intent. I delete my fair share of blatant spam, and this just wan't it. --jonny-m t 09:33, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Hawaiʻi WikiProject Newsletter - Issue V - August 2008

Aloha. The August 2008 issue of the Hawaiʻi WikiProject newsletter has been published. To change your delivery options or unsubscribe, visit this link. Mahalo nui loa. WikiProject Hawaiʻi 13:26, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

need help

Hi Jonny, I am new around here :) Can you please take a look at the page I created on Mindfire Solutions. I am not familiar with conventions here, like in categorization, internal links etc.

Thanks, Danishctc —Preceding unsigned comment added by Danishctc (talk • contribs) 12:15, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for All Stars (video game)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of All Stars (video game). Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. MrStalker ^(talk) 21:23, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

deleted article.

userfying the article would be fine.

I also noticed you are well versed in the Japanese language. I put in a translation request for a featured article on the Japanese Wikipedia to be translated for the English Wikipeida. There seems to be little progress there. The article in English is Ondes Martenot. Maybe you and your colleagues can do some work on it. I'd really appreciate it--Ted-m (talk) 21:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Gillin's Beach

Hey, Jonny, can you answer a question for me? Gillin's Beach is part of Mahaʻulepu Beach (along with two other beaches). When I try moving Gillin's Beach to Mahaulepu Beach, I get the following message:

"Gillin's Beach" cannot be moved to "Mahaulepu Beach", because the title "Mahaulepu Beach" is protected from being created. If you feel that this move is valid, please consider requesting the move first.

I checked the logs and don't see any protection. Can you tell me what is going on here? Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 10:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Weird; I didn't see anything, either, and when I moved it with my non-sysop alt account (i.e. this one) it went just fine. The only thing I can think of is that it was blocked by MediaWiki:Titleblacklist, which has seen a flurry of edits in the past few days.... --jonny-em tee 15:59, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Jonny. Viriditas (talk) 08:52, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou

Just a little note to say thankyou for participating in my successful RFA candidacy, which passed with 96 supports, 0 opposes, and 1 neutral. I am pleasantly taken aback by the amount of support for me to contribute in an administrative role and look forward to demonstrating that such faith is well placed. Regards, WilliamH (talk) 08:53, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

That was good advice you gave me at the Jimbo Wales talk page

Thanks. I suppose I'll eventually cool down a bit. Noroton (talk) 18:14, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Glad to be of service. It's easy to get frustrated here, but as long as you know when to step back and cool down, it's not too hard to handle that frustration. --jonny-m t 01:29, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Hampar Kelikian

What I don't understand is why can't I have the quote in, it is not copyrighted as far as I know. And you need to have a talk with Corvus cornix he gave me warnings and told me that my editing privelages would be taken away. If he is not an adminstator then he needs to keep to himself. The quote is in block, and has every bit of information on who wrote it and everything.--Nickthearmenian12 (talk) 05:21, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

A small quote--one or two sentences at most--that contributes to the article should be acceptable, but adding large chunks of copyrighted text (or entire articles) constitutes a copyright violation. As far as determining copyright goes, a good rule of thumb is that unless it is explicitely in the public domain or otherwise available under a free license, it should be considered as being under copyright. In this case, People Magazine and/or the author of the article most certainly own the copyright to the article.

Incidentally, Corvus is correct in his warnings--persistent copyright violations will result in a block. Needless to say, this is a last resort, and we would much rather have you as a productive contributor. So please feel free to ask any questions you may have, and I'll do what I can to answer them! --jonny-m t 08:06, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

IP 104.202.179.120

I thought I should note that the user at IP 140.232.150.91 (talk), who was temporarily banned with that IP as well as 140.232.179.120 (talk), is now back making the same edits with a new IP: 65.4.79.45 (talk). --Jikaku (talk) 00:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the update--I've added both their user talk page and Chinese Taipei to my watchlist, so I'll keep an eye on them. --jonny-m t 07:36, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: your message

Thanks for your concern. Firstly, how could I reconsider a block that already expired? While the edits of the IP may not exactly fit what is commonly construed as vandalism, they do fit disruptive editing because when they replaced an entire article with their version and I reverted and left a talk page message to them (through the bold-revert-discuss method), they constantly reverted without going over the merits in a way that any other contributors could evaluate them (the article talk page for instance instead of an edit summary that limits the amount of text you can type). It is my belief that the IP was a former user since they knew all the lingo at the outset. I am not sure if they were blocked previously or not, but that did raise a red-flag. I also note that the IP never provided any verifiable and reliable sources that were not original research to back up their claims. As for content disagreement, I don't even have that page watchlisted, nor do I intend to (I came upon this by looking at recent changes) and since the blocks have expired, they are able to come back and re-write the article entirely and I wouldn't even know about it. If there was any abuse of the tools it was not intentional with malice aforethought and an extremely isolated incident (I've been a sysop since January and this is the first occasion like this that I remember).

As to the other diffs you've provided, I leave a talk page message or template warning for each and every revert I perform, so they were not blind reverts. I do not dispute that I could have used the ability within twinkle to leave a more personalized message in the edit summary (I do use this on most occasions and do not go to admin rollback until after at least the first warning usually). Perhaps I could use a trout? I'm guessing that for those occasions there was something external affecting me at that time (I have been going through some RL issues as of late).

As to my possibly having some sort of a fortress mentality, while that is entirely possible, many of the articles that I have contributed to have been helped immensely by good-faith anon contributors, in fact one of them was recently saved from being demoted at FAR recently.

This is all water under the bridge to me as I go about things day-by-day, and thanks again for your message and concern. It has opened my eyes and shown me that I probably could use a [[WP:TROUT|trout]. -MBK₀₀₄ 17:23, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the response, particularly for clearing up the rollback question. I'm not denying that the IP was engaging in an edit war; I was simply trying to suggest that a gentler hand (and maybe a 3RR warning) may have resulted in a different outcome. But as you mention it's all water under the bridge, and the wiki will certainly go on.

By the way, I certainly didn't mean to scold you or act like I was putting you in your place. As I mentioned, the vast majority of your contributions (content and administrative) are hugely helpful and flawlessly executed, but sadly as admins it's the 0.001% of questionable edits that we're always judged on. I've noticed that a fortress mentality has started to push me into WP:BITE territory on more than one occasion, so I was just hoping to alert you to the same. If I act out of place in the future, I certainly hope you'll feel free to plant a bigass WP:TROUT right where I need it :) --jonny-m t 02:42, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Hawaiʻi WikiProject Newsletter - Issue VI - September 2008

Aloha. The September 2008 issue of the Hawaiʻi WikiProject newsletter has been published. To change your delivery options or unsubscribe, visit this link. Mahalo nui loa. WikiProject Hawaiʻi 14:31, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Happy vacation!

I hope you are having a great time. I wanted to update you in case I get too busy and forget. Two things: Tauheed ashraf responded to your query.[1] And, I've updated Portal talk:Hawaii/Did you know with candidates for rotation. Thank you! Viriditas (talk) 03:41, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Viriditas,

Sorry; I've had a little bit of a slow start getting back into Wikipedia (suffice to say that "hit the ground running" doesn't quite cover what I came back to at my job). Thank you so much for adding some DYKs to the portal--those are great, and I'll add them in right away! I've also responded to Tauheed's comment; unfortunately, we need a specific permission of statement before I can undelete the images.

I'm not really sure when I'll be back in full force, but please feel free to e-mail me if it's anything urgent. Mahalo! --jonny-m t 13:54, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

No worries and thanks for doing what you can. I will e-mail you just to say hi and catch up. Viriditas (talk) 09:11, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Request for Advice and/or Assistance

You probably have no recollection of our brief exchange from last May, when I was blocked by you, but I appreciated your advice and tone at the time. I apologize if this request somehow violates Wiki protocols, but I'm asking for your help. I added a paragraph on the "Criticism of Bill O'Reilly" page regarding his remarks on teen pregnancy in re:Bristol Palin. User:Arzel raised RS questions which I believe were resolved (in favor of keeping the sources); no one supported Arzel's position and he dropped it. Then, about a week later another user, who goes by both Tom and another name, began deleting the edits and sources using the same objection, w/o having participated on talk. I don't know if this will continue(he's reverted a number of times) but I would like to avoid a recurrence of past problems...Jimintheatl (talk) 17:25, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Hello again. It seems you are on vacation, and I add my wishes that you are having fun. We certainly did in Venice not long ago.... no editing then....

I am sure that upon your return you will have more pressing issues...but I am truly confused...Other editors have raised raised dubious claims(blogs can NEVER be RS) which have been, I think refuted. Those have been re-raised. Another editor apparently confused links with cites/references; rather than revert(which, yes, I have done) I pointed out the error and asked him/her to correct. I am at a loss--when editors revert on false/dubious/baseless grounds, what should one do when reason/logic (at least from my perspective --- and to a certain extent, objectively, i.e., the argument that a blog cannot be an RS or the deletion of a ref citing WP:EL...) don't persuade? Jimintheatl (talk) 02:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in responding. I took a brief look through the talk page and the history of the article, and from what I'm seeing, you're doing just fine by refraining from engaging in edit wars and discussing issues on the talk page.

If it gets to a point where no resolution can be reached on the talk page, you have several options. You can request comments from other users, take it to mediation, or post the issue on either the NPOV/RS noticeboard. If it turns into an edit war, you can submit a request for page protection that will (hopefully) allow you enough time to settle things on the talk page. If none of these work, there's scores of other resources available in the dispute resolution process that might be of help. Good luck! --jonny-m t 14:04, 21 September 2008 (UTC)