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Speedy deletion nomination of Compressed air battery

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A tag has been placed on Compressed air battery, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be unambiguous advertising that only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

If you can indicate why the subject of this article is not blatant advertising, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please add {{hangon}} on the top of Compressed air battery and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would help make it encyclopedic, as well as adding any citations from independent reliable sources to ensure that the article will be verifiable. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. 194.185.40.11 (talk) 13:06, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Status and Advice

As reviewing administrator, I prevented speedy deletion, because I think the general concept is notable. However, you must discuss it in general terms, not as the product of one particular company. It needs references providing substantial coverage from 3rd party independent published reliable sources, print or online, but not blogs or press releases, or material derived from press releases. I advise you to do this very quickly, before the article gets nominated for deletion by a regular deletion process. DGG ( talk ) 02:00, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

December 2010 edits / June 2011

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, please do not add promotional material to articles or other Wikipedia pages, as you did to Scroll compressor. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. Glrx (talk) 18:33, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also be aware of problems with a conflict of interest when editing Wikipedia. You apparently have ties to Pnu Power. Glrx (talk) 18:39, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Compressed air battery

The article Compressed air battery has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Article is about a Pnu Power product and sounds in advertising. The sources quote employees and company press releases without their own evaluation, so the sources are neither independent nor secondary. The compressed air battery is not notable. The compressed air battery is really a component of the company's uninterruptible power supply. The product is about a small variation on the design of a large scale UPS: instead of storing energy in a flywheel or standby battery, the energy is stored as compressed air. It is not clear that the compressed air battery UPS merits coverage in the UPS article at this time: WP:UNDUE. The main editors, User:Johnhutch and User:Goodwinaj, have ties to Pnu Power and therefore have a WP:COI.

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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Glrx (talk) 22:10, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

RESPONSE FROM ENERGETIX PNU POWER

Hello Glrx, Please read carefully our answers to each of your points and let us know as soon as possible how we can resolve the problems you have raised.

This article was proposed for deletion by Glrx (talk • contribs) on 2011-06-04 with the comment: Article is about a Pnu Power product and sounds in advertising. The sources quote employees and company press releases without their own evaluation, so the sources are neither independent nor secondary. The compressed air battery is not notable. The compressed air battery is really a component of the company's uninterruptible power supply. The product is about a small variation on the design of a large scale UPS: instead of storing energy in a flywheel or standby battery, the energy is stored as compressed air. It is not clear that the compressed air battery UPS merits coverage in the UPS article at this time: WP:UNDUE. The main editors, User:Johnhutch and User:Goodwinaj, have ties to Pnu Power and therefore have a WP:COI.

1. Article is about a Pnu Power product and sounds in advertising

The article is about Compressed Air Batteries - their principles and application. Pnu Power is the inventor and only manufacturer of Compressed Air Batteries, so mention of the company is unavoidable and valid (cf Wiki entry for the iPad or Dyson (company)). It is written in an informative and neutral style.

2. The sources quote employees and company press releases without their own evaluation, so the sources are neither independent nor secondary.

The information supplied is factual and open to independent questioning or challenge. We make no apology that the authors (John Hutchinson and Andrew Goodwin) are employed by the company - just as, no doubt, the Wiki entries for the iPad or [[Dyson (company)] were authored by company employees or associates.

3. The compressed air battery is not notable.

The evidence suggests otherwise. It is very much notable as a new technology for generating electricity, as a direct replacement for conventional batteries, with lower carbon emissions and maintenance requirements. The fact that it is a new technology is proven by the granting of international patents. Its effectiveness is proved with its adoption by companies including National Grid in the USA and UK. The use of a scroll compressor/generator to generate electricity is an entirely new application of scroll technology. This may be compared with Sir James Dyson's application of industrial vortex filtration technology to a new type of product i.e. the bagless domestic vacuum cleaner.

4. The compressed air battery is really a component of the company's uninterruptible power supply

This is rather like saying 'a car battery is really (only) a component that starts the engine and runs the electrics', as if that was unimportant. Whichever type of battery is used in a UPS system, it is an essential component. Compressed Air Batteries are indeed used as components in large UPS system. They are also used as standalone UPS/backup power sources in smaller applications, as a direct replacement for conventional batteries. It is worth noting that this year's Japanese nuclear disaster resulted from a failure of battery backup systems.

5. The product is about a small variation on the design of a large scale UPS: instead of storing energy in a flywheel or standby battery, the energy is stored as compressed air

We fear there is some misunderstanding here. Please read all of the references that are included with the article. A Compressed Air Battery is a major variation in the design of a large scale UPS. Not least, Compressed Air Batteries have no moving parts in standby mode, whereas flywheels must be kept spinning and consume significant amounts of power in standby. The potential for Compressed Air Batteries to reduce carbon emissions in this application alone makes them notable.

6. It is not clear that the compressed air battery UPS merits coverage in the UPS article at this time: WP:UNDUE

We disagree. Compressed Air Batteries as part of UPS systems are a new technology and are generating a great deal of interest from engineers and specifiers internationally. Pnu Power has just received an order for a large UPS system for a data center operated by one of the UK's largest financial services companies, seeking (among other factors) to reduce its carbon emissions. We should be in a position to name the company within a few weeks.

7. The main editors, User:Johnhutch and User:Goodwinaj, have ties to Pnu Power and therefore have a WP:COI

If this condition was applied universally, many Wiki entries would have to be deleted. At this stage of the development of Compressed Air Batteries, the main source of information about them unavoidably resides within the company that developed them. We have simply provided a factual account of how Compressed Air Batteries work, how they have been developed and their potential applications.

In conclusion, we strongly believe that Compressed Air Batteries represent an important new technology and are worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia. We would welcome you suggestions for further editing.

Yours sincerely,

John Hutchinson Johnhutch (talk) 12:34, 6 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.9.127 (talk)