User talk:Joe Organ

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BNC's Principal

Jonathan A Jones suggested I get in touch with you. I've put together a short article about Sir Noel Hall, who was Principal 1960-1973. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any biographical info online at bnc.ox.ac.uk, and I asked Prof Jones whether he would care to check that there aren't any major errors or oversights in the article. This is what I said to him: "[Noel Hall] retired long before your time, of course, but I expect there will have been a thorough obituary in the 1983 edition of Brazen Nose which might be available in the BNC library or via the college secretary. I haven't found anything via OLIS and unfortunately I don't expect to be in Oxford again this year to do a search myself." Another possible source that's just occurred to me is Mordaunt Crook's Brasenose: The Biography of an Oxford College which must be in the library too. Anyway, if you care to join in, any help would be appreciated! - Pointillist (talk) 14:03, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mordaunt Crook's book confirms that there is an obituary by David Stockton in the Brazen Nose volume xviii as well as one by Lord Roll. There is some material on pages 387-388 and the Beatles visit is mentioned on page 403; I'll get scans made at some point. There's a photo at plate 95. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 14:24, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Have put some rough scans on my webpage [1]. Let me know if you can't read these. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 14:38, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the prompt and legible scans. I've updated the article to say Hall was an undergraduate at BNC, and added a summary of the personal comments about him. The scans were also helpful to show that David Stockton's obituary will be useful, and as a reminder that Barry Nicholas is still a stub and Maurice Platnauer not yet started. Hall must also have been involved in the decision to go co-residential from Michaelmas 1974 onwards (I think it was called the Jesus Plan) but that is even harder to track down online. - Pointillist (talk) 16:05, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Joe, do you know where old copies of the Brazen Nose are kept these days? I couldn't find them in the library, and the SCR books are mostly in boxes at the moment. If you can find a copy I can do scans and things. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 17:03, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry to put you to all this trouble during such a busy period. Having checked that my sources don't conflict with Prof Mordaunt Crook, it may not be necessary go any further with Noel Hall for the time being. The broader objective of filling the gaps in BNC coverage can probably wait until the BNC archives are reorganised (unless you can tempt David Stockton or Elizabeth Boardman to become wikipedians). - Pointillist (talk) 20:08, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No problem; I had a spare hour between tutorials. I agree it's not a high priority now, but will be good to locate this stuff for future reference. The admission of women in 1974 should be easy to answer questions about: plenty of colleagues still remember it happening! Jonathan A Jones (talk) 20:39, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They may well remember but I don't know how much has been reliably described. If it took significant horse-trading to launch the original "limited trial" scheme, perhaps it hasn't been fully documented to avoid giving a negative impression of the University at that time? I was wondering whether—since Noel Hall seems to have been something of a behind-the-scenes operator—the co-residential decision was partly due to his lobbying. - Pointillist (talk) 21:40, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pontillist, thanks for contacting me and for your efforts here. Jonathan Jones has supplied you with some useful information I see, but I'm happy to hunt out copies of Brasenose Nose via our Archivist. Is it just the 1983 one you're after or are there others at this stage? Joe Organ (talk) 15:51, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but I think the pressure is off now that I've have the benefit of the four Mordaunt Crook scans. At some stage I'd like to look at the two obituaries cited in the footnote on page 386 of Mordaunt Crook (he refers to xviii, which I suppose is either the 1983 or 1984 issue—I haven't mastered the Brazen Nose numbering). In the long term it would be good to get all the twentieth century principals documented: there are still some missing and several of the existing articles are inadequate, e.g. William Stallybrass and Barry Nicholas. So it probably makes sense to park Noel Hall until all the Brazen Nose volumes are back in one easily accessible location – perhaps one of you could let me know when/if this happens^{added 10:03, 15 October 2010 (UTC)} – and then update all the articles in a single effort. - Pointillist (talk) 16:28, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for your contributions. Please mark your edits as "minor" only if they are minor edits. In accordance with Help:Minor edit, a minor edit is one that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute. Minor edits consist of things such as typographical corrections, formatting changes or rearrangement of text without modification of content. Additionally, the reversion of clear-cut vandalism and test edits may be labeled "minor". Thank you. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 12:53, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]