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Steven Chorney image deletions

Hi. Unfortunately, all images need a fair use rationale for each and every page that they appear on. This is due to them being copyrighted material. The posters had a fair use rationale to appear on the pages of the films they represent, but not for Steven Chorney's page. All you need to do is add another rationale and put the back on. I'll leave that for you to do. Stay frosty. Quentin X (talk) 14:07, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

• All you really need to do is copy and paste the rationale for the films and just change the film name for the artist's name. That should suffice. Quentin X (talk) 09:50, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

File:Raiders of the Lost Ark - Key Art by Tom Jung.jpg listed for deletion

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Hi there Jobrjobr. I see that you've re-uploaded this image after it was deleted. I've deleted it under the appropriate speedy deletion criteria. If you disagree with the original deletion closure (by myself) you need dispute it though deletion review; though it is strongly recommended that you talk to the deleting administrator prior to this - Peripitus (Talk) 10:25, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi Peripitus - I uploaded this file again after adjusting the article by adding a new section to provide specific references to the image - I am trying to avoid wasting time going back and forth over the original issue - I was hoping this would end the dispute? Jobrjobr

Peripitus - I received the following Help response;

"The discussion you took part in was not "Deletion review", it was a "Files for deletion" discussion here. That was closed as delete by an admin, user Peripitus (talk). After that, you can't just upload the image again so, the second time you did, it was speedy-deleted. If you want to challenge the decision, you should first ask Peripitus; then, if not satisfied, you can go to WP:Deletion review. Read the instructions there carefully. The point at issue is that copyright (non-free) images can only be included under very strict conditions - see WP:Non-free content criteria, where they must satisfy all ten of the conditions listed under "Policy"." JohnCD (talk) 14:43, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Could you tell me your thinking on deleting this file after the "Files for Deletion" discussion? Would rather not go through/does not seem necessary to go through the process of "Deletion Review" given the subject of the article, the references in the article and the image being of a movie poster. Thank you. Jobrjobr

Tom Jung article - Image Deletion - File:Raiders of the Lost Ark - Key Art by Tom Jung.jpg listed for deletion

Help with Deletion review process.

Hi Jobrjobr. Have you looked at Wikipedia:Deletion review#Steps to list a new deletion review? If not please do so. If you still need help, please repost the helpme request I have nulled, and please be as specific as possible about what you don't understand in the process or you need clarification on.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:09, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

An editor submitted this file/image for deletion review. I posted my reasoning for including the image in Deletion Review, updated the article with additional detail and references. Then Uploaded the file again but it was subsequently deleted. Not sure what the next step is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jobrjobr (talk • contribs) 04:56, 7 June 2012‎

What exactly is it that you don't understand in Wikipedia:Deletion review? It is very difficult to help you if it is not clear what you need to know. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:58, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

The discussion you took part in was not "Deletion review", it was a "Files for deletion" discussion here. That was closed as delete by an admin, user Peripitus (talk). After that, you can't just upload the image again so, the second time you did, it was speedy-deleted. If you want to challenge the decision, you should first ask Peripitus; then, if not satisfied, you can go to WP:Deletion review. Read the instructions there carefully. The point at issue is that copyright (non-free) images can only be included under very strict conditions - see WP:Non-free content criteria, where they must satisfy all ten of the conditions listed under "Policy". JohnCD (talk) 14:43, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jobrjobr, sorry about the delay in responding. The image was deleted as User:Armbrust asserted that it did not Significantly increase reader's understanding of the topic (That is their understanding of a biographical article about Tom Jung) and that also the image was just decorative, rather than supporting sourced commentary. Looking at the article I would have come to the same conclusion and likely nominated the image for deletion. The only sourced note referring to the particular image simply states that he created the image. Unless there is a source that you can use to discuss the specifics of the image itself, rather than its simple existence, say like you have for the Star Wars, Style A, 1977 image in the same article, it is hard to refute this deletion argument. It's clear that the image resonates with you in the context of Tom Jung but unless seeing the image imparts significant information to readers, in a way that cannot be done by other means, it does not pass one of the NFCC points. Peripitus (Talk) 09:55, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the detailed reply Peripitus/appreciate your understanding - My apologies for this insanity, but I am a bit new here - The use of movie poster images and related fair use rationale has been difficult to deal with given how they have been handled in the past and outside of Wikipedia. Note that the illustrators like Tom Jung gave away their copyright when they sold the images to the studios.

I have been working with the Academy Library on a legacy project for Tom Jung for a while now - The image that is in question provides unusual insight for the reader into the creative process, the business of movie poster art and the unique talent of Tom to bring characters to life. I have updated the article with a new section on "Raiders of the Lost Ark" that is referenced and specifically describes the image to the reader - Could you take a look and let me know if this will work? Thank you. Jobrjobr

Peripitus I have updated the Richard Amsel article with the original Raiders of the Lost Ark image after adding a proper fair use rationale. This helps tie the two articles together regarding the creation of the Key Art for Raiders of the Lost Ark - If you could take a look when you get a chance - Thanks. Jobrjobr (talk) 17:04, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

I think that this is working better - though I do prefer the image of him with the whip curled over his head as the expression better conveys what I feel is the tone of the movie. I note that the article is largely unreferenced (the ref next to the line discussing the image has a link to a wikipedia article ?). Have you access to The illustrator in America, 1860-2000 (2001) or Film Posters of the 80s (also 2001) ? I can see that his art in the Raider's posters was extensively discussed in news articles (at least 10 that I can see in google news, though most are behind paywalls). What you need is discussion, cited to reliable sources like these, that discusses the image itself (is it pen-and-ink or gauche; what did critics say about the image; what did they say about say the subdued tones and how it related to the movie; how it compared to his other work....that sort of thing) in such a way that the image is critical to understanding what the text is saying. It it where me writing about this subject I would write the article first then look at where the text had to have an illustration to be adequately comprehensible, though that is just the flow I tend to follow. - Peripitus (Talk) 11:03, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

-Peripitus if you can point out a source for commentary on Amsel's Raiders poster art it would be appreciated/I will use it. My experience is that much of what was written was too early/never made it online - For example I had to dredge up an old physical copy of the magazine Cinemafantastiqe from the early 90's to use as a references for the Tom Jung article.

-I used the style A poster because it was the first concept/original concept, similar to Tom Jung's.

-I cleaned up the reference you referred to - Amsel's Raiders poster is at the Academy Library, properly credited and can be viewed online.

-Could you take a look at the Tom Jung article again? I have included a new referenced section that describes the Tom Jung Raiders key art. I would like to re-insert the previously deleted image in the article. Thank you. Jobrjobr (talk) 08:26, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

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