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- Kylie— I believe my bio meets the standards of Wiki. Among other things, I was the first person to ever melt a diamond (proving many theories about diamonds incorrect). This is published (and referenced) in the highly respected journal Science. Thanks, Jon Jgoldwiki (talk) 19:00, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- All new articles on Wikipedia have to show the subject is notable (See WP:N) which in most cases requires significant coverage (WP:SIGCOV) in multiple independent (WP:INDY) reliable sources (WP:RS). You have an article written by yourself (also see WP:COI), your own website and youtube channel. So no independent reliable sources. KylieTastic (talk) 19:13, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- The referenced journal “Science” is undoubtably one of the most prestigious journals on the planet. Jgoldwiki (talk) 19:23, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- I did not realize that Wiki has no problem taking my donations, but will not accept an article from me. Jgoldwiki (talk) 19:25, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- I agree Science is a reliable sources and using the content of your article accepted by them is notable and would be considered a reliable source for the content. However firstly it is only used to sources part, secondly I would thing the other authors may reject the framing that you personally were the "first person to melt a diamond", thirdly the actual article is more reasonable in the actual claim "To our knowledge, this is the first time that experimental evidence has been produced to show melting of carbon at high pressure when diamond is used as the starting material". When some kid writes about themselves being notable on the world biggest encyclopedia it's annoying but I get it, but for a scientist that understands evidence and what is expected to write a science paper to think that donating to Wikipedia means you can just write about yourself I can't begin to understand. Did Science publish your article because you paid for a subscription or because it was a decent scientific paper? Everything else apart from the exaggerated claim of definitively "being the first person to melt a diamond" is either unsourced, or has a primary source. There are no independent sources for most of the content. That does not mean you are not notable, just that the article lacks sources to show it. If your jazz work is recognised and with being a visiting professor you may well be, but just as is expected in academia we require references not "I donated". For instance I just looked and found https://latinjazznet.com/reviews/albums/jon-gold-bossa-of-possibility/ and https://jazztimes.com/reviews/albums/jon-gold-bossa-of-possibility/ so clearly some sources do exist. KylieTastic (talk) 20:53, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- You missed my point completely re donations. Your policy of self-authored contributions is ridiculous. I have many less well-known colleagues who have successfully used paid services to submit (which is ridiculous). Please don’t tell me it’s a violation as it is rampant….I am indeed the first person to melt a diamond . I was a grad student at the time and faculty have the “right” to name themselves as co-authors even if they did nothing. Here is an account in the NYT (which I hope you find a reputable source): https://www.nytimes.com/1984/09/11/science/science-watch-oops-a-diamond-is-melted-for-first-time.html Jgoldwiki (talk) 21:03, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- If you have colleagues who have paid for articles that just reflects badly on them and on you if you think that's OK or justifies writing unsourced content... I have no words. You claim to have been a teaching visiting professor (claim as was unsourced), would you accept your students using such arguments? If your students made claims with no evidence or sources and just claimed things but stated other students did "worse" things was that OK? Yes, the NY Times is an excellent source, what I don't understand is how as a scientist and professor you don't understand that we require you to actually use such sources in the article. If such sources exist, use them! Although WP:COI states "COI editing is strongly discouraged" it is still a valid option, but this is not a blog or social media you can not just write anything you want without sources. Treat Wikipedia like an encyclopedia, treat it like writing a scientific paper, if you only write things backed by independent sources and reference them you may well be "notable". KylieTastic (talk) 21:38, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- You are both incredibly naive and uninformed. Writing/submitting for Wiki is a huge industry. I would have hoped more from editors at Wiki. But alas the standards have fallen. I receive numerous speaking/interview requests about my melting of diamond and have enjoyed enormous success as a musician. I don't "need" to be on Wiki -- a student at the University I taught at interviewed me for a class and this was the result. It seemed worthwhile to submit. Jgoldwiki (talk) 21:52, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- If you have colleagues who have paid for articles that just reflects badly on them and on you if you think that's OK or justifies writing unsourced content... I have no words. You claim to have been a teaching visiting professor (claim as was unsourced), would you accept your students using such arguments? If your students made claims with no evidence or sources and just claimed things but stated other students did "worse" things was that OK? Yes, the NY Times is an excellent source, what I don't understand is how as a scientist and professor you don't understand that we require you to actually use such sources in the article. If such sources exist, use them! Although WP:COI states "COI editing is strongly discouraged" it is still a valid option, but this is not a blog or social media you can not just write anything you want without sources. Treat Wikipedia like an encyclopedia, treat it like writing a scientific paper, if you only write things backed by independent sources and reference them you may well be "notable". KylieTastic (talk) 21:38, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- You missed my point completely re donations. Your policy of self-authored contributions is ridiculous. I have many less well-known colleagues who have successfully used paid services to submit (which is ridiculous). Please don’t tell me it’s a violation as it is rampant….I am indeed the first person to melt a diamond . I was a grad student at the time and faculty have the “right” to name themselves as co-authors even if they did nothing. Here is an account in the NYT (which I hope you find a reputable source): https://www.nytimes.com/1984/09/11/science/science-watch-oops-a-diamond-is-melted-for-first-time.html Jgoldwiki (talk) 21:03, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- I agree Science is a reliable sources and using the content of your article accepted by them is notable and would be considered a reliable source for the content. However firstly it is only used to sources part, secondly I would thing the other authors may reject the framing that you personally were the "first person to melt a diamond", thirdly the actual article is more reasonable in the actual claim "To our knowledge, this is the first time that experimental evidence has been produced to show melting of carbon at high pressure when diamond is used as the starting material". When some kid writes about themselves being notable on the world biggest encyclopedia it's annoying but I get it, but for a scientist that understands evidence and what is expected to write a science paper to think that donating to Wikipedia means you can just write about yourself I can't begin to understand. Did Science publish your article because you paid for a subscription or because it was a decent scientific paper? Everything else apart from the exaggerated claim of definitively "being the first person to melt a diamond" is either unsourced, or has a primary source. There are no independent sources for most of the content. That does not mean you are not notable, just that the article lacks sources to show it. If your jazz work is recognised and with being a visiting professor you may well be, but just as is expected in academia we require references not "I donated". For instance I just looked and found https://latinjazznet.com/reviews/albums/jon-gold-bossa-of-possibility/ and https://jazztimes.com/reviews/albums/jon-gold-bossa-of-possibility/ so clearly some sources do exist. KylieTastic (talk) 20:53, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- All new articles on Wikipedia have to show the subject is notable (See WP:N) which in most cases requires significant coverage (WP:SIGCOV) in multiple independent (WP:INDY) reliable sources (WP:RS). You have an article written by yourself (also see WP:COI), your own website and youtube channel. So no independent reliable sources. KylieTastic (talk) 19:13, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Your submission at Articles for creation: Jon Gold (July 12)
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Hello, Jgoldwiki!
Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! KylieTastic (talk) 18:46, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
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Speedy deletion nomination of User:Jgoldwiki
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Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. A tag has been placed on User:Jgoldwiki requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section U5 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to consist of writings, information, discussions, or activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals. Please note that Wikipedia is not a free web hosting service. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time.
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. KylieTastic (talk) 20:54, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
July 2023
[edit]Hello, Jgoldwiki. Thank you for helping to build Wikipedia-- the world's largest free content encyclopedia. I'm sorry, but a page you created User:Jgoldwiki has been deleted as meeting one or more of the criteria for speedy deletion.
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Your draft article, Draft:Jon Gold
[edit]Hello, Jgoldwiki. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Jon Gold".
In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.
Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. ✗plicit 06:08, 17 January 2024 (UTC)