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Level of Germany legal detail at circumcision should be at Circumcision and law instead

Hi there, thanks for your research regarding the Germany circumcision legal situation, but I wanted to redirect your efforts to putting that level of detail in Circumcision and law rather than at circumcision. Circumcision is a general overview article that is already too large, and the level of detail regarding Germany's legal situation was far too WP:UNDUE in it. Could you please move that level of detail to Circumcision and law? I have already extracted it from the article and moved it to the Talk page. Thanks... Zad68 14:37, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Definitely. I was unaware that this page existed - if I knew, I would've gone there first and just put the info there (let's be honest, people who don't edit in the topic of circumcision probably won't realize there's a whole article just dedicated to the law!). I just left a brief request on the talk page, but I moved the rest. Thanks. --Activism1234 21:42, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

WP:RX

Hey

You invited to use WP:RX if you need any sources especially if they behind paywall like JSTOR--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 15:17, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Re: National Outline Plan

The link is in the article of course :) But here it is again. Be careful, the external links used in that article are mostly primary sources, which should be used with care. Cheers, Ynhockey ^(Talk) 04:04, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Are there references there? All I see is a "See also" section. Not familiar with Hebrew Wikipedia. --Activism1234 04:37, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

2010 Israeli helicopter disaster in Romania

Hi Activism1234,

I decided to contact you because I know you have a lot of knowledge on this subject - I need your help in improving and expanding this article which is currently in my sandbox. The article was previously deleted twice for various reasons (which in my opinion never really justified its completed deletion) - As far as I remember, in the first time it was deleted because the article was in poor shape and not sourced properly, therefore the claims that it should be deleted due to WP:NOTNEWS became the primary basis for its eventual deletion. The second time around (about half a year ago) it almost survived the AfD but eventually it was decided that the article would be deleted ALTHOUGH the article was considerably expanded and improved while the AfD took place, and therefore in my opinion the eventual majority vote (the result was very close to a no consensus) did not fully reflect the expanded and improved version of the article. Either way, one of the most important comments which were made by the participants of the last AfD, which in my opinion must be taken into account, was that the article was not suitable for an encyclopedia because it was only covered in sources published during or immediately after the event, without further analysis or discussion - I am convinced that at this point in time we would be capable (especially if the editors whom know Hebrew and are knowledgeable about this specific topic would join forces on this one) to provide sufficient resources that cover the event over a long period of time and provide further analysis or discussion.

Please help me fix the main issues raised in last AfD and further expand the article so that there would be justification to keep it in the main namespace in Wikipedia.

Thanks in advance,

TheCuriousGnome (talk) 15:18, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

I'll do my best on this subject. I don't get that part about sources being published only right after - that's how it is on so many Wikipedia articles and sections... That's a b.s. excuse to me. But yeah, I'm a bit busy right now but I'll do my best to contribute over the course of a few days, so have them hold off deletion for now. --Activism1234 16:57, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

I believe that the majority of the opponents whom originally called to delete the article probably did not hear about the incident that much or at all in their home countries and therefore they wanted us to prove through reliable sources that the event is notable enough to be worth noting (though I won't be surprised if there were a few whom opposed it for irrelevant reasons). For example, some of the opponents pointed out that aviation accidents of similar proportion occur in the U.S. Army all the the time but Wikipedia does not dedicate articles to all of the accidents of this magnitude - or alternatively, some believed that only the accidents of this this magnitude, should deserve their own articles if these events received enough ongoing international media coverage over a relatively longer period of time (which also provide further analysis or discussion besides re-stating the information published in the first days of the accident), that would prove beyond doubt that the event is prominent enough for it's own article (these, in my opinion, are fair claims which I believe should be taken seriously in all articles covering similar events).

Discussions regarding the historic/encyclopedic notability of certain events is fairly common on Wikipedia, and therefore I recommend not getting insulted by the opposition and instead, in necessary, to focus on discussing all the claims which need to be addressed while assuming good faith.

I myself think that there is no need to rush with this at all. On the contrary - we must move the article back to the main article namespace ONLY after we have significantly improved it (even though in my opinion, the article in its current state already deserves to stay in Wikipedia's main namespace). Therefore, at this point I rather wait until you finish your work on the page (take your time, it's O.K). Please let me know when you finish though.

I appreciate your recent contributions to this article and all your contributions to Wikipedia in general. It is apparent that you care a great deal about the project. Thanks for your help. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 21:19, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Well I found a number of international sources, including the BBC and CNN. I also fixed up some paragraphs and sourced them, which should make it a better article. And I included a Jpost link at the bottom to look over which analyzes why it's so significant. I'm not going to be able to edit it anymore from now until tomorrow night (I'll be away from my house pn a trip and very little access to computer), but I'll get to it tomorrow night or the day after hopefully. In the meantime, if you want to, you can look over the links I put in at the very bottom and maybe include them in the article. To the people who made the comment about the U.S. crashes as well, I certainly wouldn't be opposed to creating articles like that, either one for each or one article that includes them all. But just because some editors haven't created an aritcle on that subject yet shouldn't mean that another editor can't create an article on a similar subject. --Activism1234 21:27, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

I do not think you understood the principle I was trying to convey to you regarding the instances (such as this one) in which most Wikipedians (this happens even to the best of us) may get caught once in a while in lengthy discussions regarding the notability of certain topics in which they ending up needing to explain and prove that the topic has enough encyclopedic/historic notability/prominence. What I'm trying to say is that on a regular basis there is an extensive amount of cases such as this in which opponents simply do not see the encyclopedic/historic significance and as a result they would raise mostly legitimate claims which would question the notability of the topic - and if their claims are legitimate, the editor whom crated the articles (or the ones whom support it staying) must be willing to discuss the matter and try to convince the majority of the participants in the discussion that the topic is notable enough. Nevertheless, I believe that editors must always take into account the worst case scenario in which certain articles they have created might end up being deleted following an AfD which might seem unjustified – this situation mostly happens because the article was poorly written to begin with (in this specific case this article has been previously deleted twice (!), at first because the article was poorly written, and therefore it was easier for the opponents to convince the community that the topic was not important enough).

Regarding your other suggestion - at this point I'd rather wait for you to finish working on the article. I myself would be very busy in the following days as well - nevertheless, I would find the time eventually within this week to go over your work, expand the article even further by myself, and move it back to Wikipedia's main namespace. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 18:41, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Regarding "grammar" and "poorly written," that can easily be fixed, and I intend to do so myself and make it very well written and referenced (English is my native language by the way). So that should take care of that issue. As for notability, I'm sure that can be worked out as well. --Activism1234 02:41, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Re. Anti-Jewish policies in the Soviet Union?

Hi, Activism 1234 -- it's rather an interesting comment you made. The Pale of Settlement was set up by the czars in the Russian Empire, not the Soviet Union. It was abolished by the Russian Provisional Government in 1917, before the Soviet Union was set up (and had nothing to do with the Soviet Union). Jews in the Soviet Union were never "herded there" as you assert. I thought I would make the article's lede better by not comparing apples to oranges (e.g., Soviet Union to Nazi Germany), but I have better things to do with my life than to fight anyone over glaring inaccuracies in the encyclopedia in my spare time -- so, whatever you like, really. Those better informed know that Wikipedia is never quite accurate anyway. Zloyvolsheb (talk) 20:19, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Hmm actually good point that it wasn't in the Soviet Union, although if we want to mention Soviet Union, Stalin's anti-Semitic policies would suffice. If we want to include previous events as well, such as The Pale of Settlement, then it should be mentioned generally as "Russian."

No I don't think this is a fight or anything. You make a very good point, and I accept it, because that's true, and I just didn't realize it. But I don't see a reason to leave out the intention of what was written, but written in a different way. --Activism1234 20:58, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Request Help

Hi, would you please have a look at this: Talk:Bosphorus_serial_murders#Arrogance_.26_Impolite_Behaviour. The article (it's about the racist neo-nazi murders in Germany) has come to a standstill and is lagging far behind due to bullying, Newbe-biting ... Your intervention would be very much appreciated. Best regards -- 176.2.5.144 (talk) 00:52, 7 August 2012 (UTC) (←please note: this is a dynamic IP from a mobile, and I'm not registered yet)

Wow. I'm honored. OK i'll have a look. --Activism1234 00:55, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

That was quite a quick reply! - Just to inform you: I did a lot of editing and updating on the other article related to this topic here National Socialist Underground that seems not to have come to the attention of this obstructive user. Thank you, take care -- 176.2.5.144 (talk) 01:24, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem. I'm a bit confused how we know each other, as I don't recognize your IP address though... It could just be a temporary address. And yes, it was a quick reply, but I'll be gone for about the next hour or so, so if you don't get any replies then, stay calm and don't panick! --Activism1234 01:25, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

It's no matter of urgency. - You're absolutely right: I was wrong to pour petrol into the flames or feed a troll. (Your H2G2 quote also is a good one to go by too.) - There was another user who seemed to have taken insult from the title and changed it. He did that as reaction to the ongoing debate. To my mind that was somewhat heavyhanded and not well considered, but well intentioned none the less and in compliance with all the other votes. He posted his "Done it!" there below in the relevant section of the talk page. I suggested reconsideration and got a kind reply from him. - In came user K., the bully of the block, starting his derogatory remarks and calling me a sockpuppet. Which is far off the mark. - Now, that was my very first encounter as editor to WP. And that was for a modest entry on a talk page. I was "not amused" and opened that section about "Arrogance etc." (As a beginner and non-native speaker I didn't know how to win the case.) To my mind the title is outdated and should be changed as is already the case in all the other language versions. And if it causes insult, then that should be taken ito account, since english is the world language. - It's quite a discouraging experience, and it cast grave doubt about the reliability of WP too, seeing first hand how it is easy prey to arbitrary editors. On the other hand there was quite another experience and a very warm welcome recently answering my revert of vandalism at Nazi human experimentation. - Today I was surfing WP and looked for spots that might be a "honeypot" for nazi-trolls and if there was an experienced user who maybe has the clout to put up a fight. - But your advice was far better than what I'd looked for: just ignore them and keep on constructive work. (Did I get this right?) - Great pleasure to have met you. Thanks, and best wishes -- 176.2.5.144 (talk) 03:22, 7 August 2012 (UTC)(←mobile IP, will change)

Ok a few things.

What is the name that you want it to be changed to? What is the name that it was changed to? What was the name of the article before?
Don't be discouraged from editors who give you a hard time. My first few days at WP, an editor filed an arbitration request against me, which could've resulted in serious sanctions/penalties. But I knew that I didn't do anything wrong, and so did the administrators, and the case was closed.
Page titles are generally chosen based on a vote. However, I believe there is a 7 day period after the title change in which editors are still allowed to comment there. The important thing is to leave your suggestion, your comment, why you feel that's good and the others aren't, and not to be drawn into heated controversies that will divert attention away from the original topic.
If someone called you a sockpuppet that's a very serious accusation. You should ask them to retract that, or leave it alone for now, and if it happens again, it may warrant a more serious reaction.

Hope this helps. --Activism1234 03:42, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, indeed it does. - I'll give you my moniker once I've done the registration process here, so that we may stay in touch. - Knowing my limitations, I'm not so much in the business of style and rather want to contribute the facts (where I am knowledgeable or see ommissions/errors) and leave the furbishing and correction of language errors to more seasoned and well minded editors. That's my concept of how co-operation should be done in a world language. Bye! -- 46.115.21.61 (talk) 04:31, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Seems your contribution also has helped to bring down the heat. What's your opinion about my reply here per Activism1234? Basically he seems to be in an agressive mood still, only says so in his edit remarks which is: "No agenda here, and I sign in so my edits are clear even to my stalkers. If someone has a better name, let's discuss it here and keep all the insinuations out of it." - How could a Newbie who happens to use a mobile be a stalker... But I didn't pick up on that. I just want the work to go on in some peace and quiet. - This habit of posting sarcastic remarks instead of a summary in the edit remarks seems always to have been the starting point from where misunderstandings led to arguments and then turned nasty. - Thanks for your help and advice! Best regards -- 46.115.26.127 (talk) 11:55, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

I replied on the talk page. --Activism1234 13:29, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Minor typo was left - red link, fixed it. Hope that doesn't look awkward under these circumstances. But to anyone who's openminded, it's more than obvious that I had to take some criticism from your neutral perspective which I very much appreciated since it was constructive throughout. Warm regards -- 46.115.35.106 (talk) 14:49, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Good edits

I like your revisions at Ahmad Qatamesh‎. =) Thanks for double-checking my work twice in one day! Khazar2 (talk) 00:58, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem! Glad to be able to help. --Activism1234 01:18, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Deeper Life Church attack

Hey, nice job getting the Deeper Life Church attack article started; very kind of you to do that one on request for another user. I put in an hour this morning and carried the ball a bit further down the field. Feel free to revert anything I've done, though, that doesn't seem accurate or helpful. Hopefully we can get that up on ITN sometime today. Cheers, Khazar2 (talk) 14:34, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

I should have some more time on my hands today, so I'll try to expand it as much as possible. I know more about Israel-Egypt than about Nigeria (although I take an interest in terrorism anywhere), but I should be able to work something out with the references. And no problem. Your edits seem fine, as usual. --Activism1234 14:36, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Reactions sections

Sure you can do whatever you see better for the article. I created the page in order to urge other wikipedians to write about this article as I'm not a professional editor. I even marked it as a stub when I created it. I appreciate your message and your efforts on Wikipedia.
--Zo3a (talk) 05:18, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Moshe Silman

Hi there. If you get the time, please help me improve this important article as well. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 23:12, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Not heavily involved in the Israeli social justice movement (I don't take either side), but I have no problem contributing to it or cleaning it up. --Activism1234 00:50, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

I may not be able to get to it tonight, as I have a really long scientific paper to write, but I'll try to get to it as soon as I can. --Activism1234 01:15, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

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Instructor

Hello, Activism1234, my name is Riley Huntley and I will be your instructor. As an instructor, I have a certain requirement of policies, methods and programs to teach you but before we get started on that I have a few questions.

Which of the following tool(s) would you like to be trained in: STiki, or Twinkle?
How would you like to communicate? Through IRC or talk pages?
What are you most interested in learning?

I hope to hear from you soon! Note: I am taking the boat out today so you might not get a reply until tonight, very sorry. -- Cheers, Riley Huntley _talk No talkback needed; I'll temporarily watch here. 20:36, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Hmm I think I'd like touse STiki, but not sure if there's a "better" or "worse" one or anything... But if I had to choose one, I'd go with STiki.

I'm not familiar with IRC chats, and I'd prefer talk pages.

I'm interested in learning whatever there is to be taught in the academy regarding vandalism, and then assisting in removing this vandalism.

Thanks.

And don't worry about what time you give a reply, that's not a big deal. --Activism1234 21:01, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Hmm it seems like you use Twinkle. Maybe it'd be easier if we do it that way, since I assume you're more experienced with it, and if you use it, it's gotta be good. --Activism1234 00:16, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

I use STiki and Twinkle. I don't use STiki anymore since I have Huggle (Which you will get once you get the rollback right). I will train you in both since they are essential. I have a few pages for you to read; User:Riley Huntley/STiki, User:Riley Huntley/Vandalism and Wikipedia:Twinkle. The difference between Twinkle and STiki is that one finds vandalism for you and the other doesn't. Have you used any of these tools before? -- Cheers, Riley Huntley _talk No talkback needed; I'll temporarily watch here. 18:25, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

I have Twinkle in my "gadgets" under "preferences" but not sure which set of buttons exactly it is and how to use it, or whether I"m already using it. If it's an extra set of buttons located on a "TW" sign on the top of the page, with buttons such as ARV, Warn, etc, then yes, I have used it. --Activism1234 21:17, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

It is the extra set of buttons that folds down under the two words TW. How do you like it so far. -- Cheers, Riley Huntley _talk No talkback needed; I'll temporarily watch here. 19:25, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

It's a very handy tool for warning editors or filing reports quickly. Easy enough to use as well. --Activism1234 21:20, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

What should I do next? --Activism1234 22:49, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

I have looked over your contributions and your doing great! Few recommendation; Stay away from noticeboards (unless you extremely have to), never take anything personal (even if it is true), never ever call someone a name (You will regret it for the rest of your Wikipedian life), try to not edit your userpage. So, have you downloaded STiki? It will greatly help with fighting vandalism. -- Cheers, Riley Huntley _talk No talkback needed; I'll temporarily watch here. 00:11, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Wow. Today was nearly all noticeboards (and major hassle). I wish I could stay away... I'll try to follow that guideline more strictly! Thanks for the advice. I've tried downloading Sticki - it gives me a message

"Object not found!

The requested URL was not found on this server. If you entered the URL manually please check your spelling and try again.

If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster."

This is from the download link on your user page/Sticki link you gave above. --Activism1234 00:14, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

UPDATE - was able to get it through Wikipedia:STiki. Never mind. --Activism1234 01:56, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

UPDATE - says i don't qualify for STiki. But I have made over 1000 edits. --Activism1234 01:57, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Whops forgot about that, just requested for you to be given the right to use it. You should have it by the end of the day (hopefully). Sorry about that. 172.218.192.19 (talk) 02:22, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

No worries, it's all good. --Activism1234 02:25, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

As your instructor I am here to teach you, so I decided to make a page that has a few questions that you will be able to answer by the time you have rollback, except, you will be completing the questions once you learn them that way I can track your progress and so can the administrator that will eventually be giving you rollback rights. Here is the page; User:Riley Huntley/CVUA/Tasks. Take your time with them (as long as you want) and if you don't know the answer or want to answer it later, just skip it. :-) -- Cheers, Riley Huntley _talk No talkback needed; I'll temporarily watch here. 03:16, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

STiki permissions

You can now use STiki, keep up the good work! -- Cheers, Riley Huntley _talk No talkback needed; I'll temporarily watch here. 17:54, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Great! Thanks. I'll use it wisely. I'm not at my main computer right now (in the "urban" area where I work), but when I get there in a few hours I'll try it out.

I appreciate it. --Activism1234 18:31, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Wow! STiki is AMAZING!! It's perfect. --Activism1234 22:20, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

If you think it is amazing, then wait until you see huggle! Anyways, I think I did something to my computer because it crashed and won't start so I will be even more inactive. But I will try my best to communicate via Wikipedia mobile (using right now). -- Cheers, Riley Huntley _talk No talkback needed; I'll temporarily watch here. 23:45, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

OK not an issue. Good luck with the computer. --Activism1234 23:54, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Computers fixed :) (fast eh?). One thing though, never ever remove a message from a talk page, you can get in trouble for it (except for when you have accidently warned someone with a template) -- Cheers, Riley Huntley _talk No talkback needed; I'll temporarily watch here. 02:27, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Haha great job. And yes, I understand that. If you're referring to an edit I made on an article's talk page, I believe it was a mistake which happened when I tried moving my comment below that person's comment. Wasn't intentional at all. Another time I removed a post I made, since it was just a "curious" question and wasn't necessary (but that editor was fine with it anyway, and continued it on my talk page, so it's all good). But yes, I definitely understand that and will be more careful in the future. Thanks! --Activism1234 02:35, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Re. Your post on my talk page

Hello, I noticed your recent post on my talk page, which you'd subsequently removed, and I nevertheless felt compelled to respond here. Although Morsi is a moderate Islamist and I am deeply secular, I think he will greatly improve the situation in Egypt. He has a lot of guts and a real passion for justice and democracy. I think he is exactly what the country needs at the moment. Kurtis (talk) 01:42, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

If you don't mind holding this discussion, then I'd be happy to continue it. However, please note - the purpose of this isn't to argue and lead to any animosity, but rather to engage in an intellectual discussion and friendly exchange of ideas.

As I said, I too hope that the situation will improve.

But if we look at the election results, for one, we see that Morsi just barely got elected. What that means is close to a majority of the population dislikes him enough not to vote for him. In fact, enough to vote for a member of the Mubarak era. What this means is that a lot of his moves will be met with fierce resistance, and he will have a tough time.

There's also other stuff going on right now that's crucial but they're ignoring. Egypt's economy has always been bad, but since the revolution, it (naturally) plumetted, especially the tourism sector. But what are they doing to increase tourism again? Considering banning bikinis and alcohol on beaches. Hello? That's what tourism IS. If they go on this path, their economy will get even worse.

As for democracy, I'm not sure how much it will improve, if at all. As just one example, only recently did the Egyptian government ban a popular history book without reason, replace about 50 newspaper editors because some had negative feelings towards the government, and an Egyptian newspaper was just recently censored for insulting Morsi. All of this, in just about the past week.

Meanwhile, religious discrimination isn't decreasing, but rather growing. Sectarion violence & attacks against Christian Copts are rising.

In regards to the smart 1973 peace treaty with Israel, Egyptians seem not to care for it, and are even willing to physically assault people they believe are Israeli, as a disturbing prank tv show revealed. I should note though, this isn't exactly Morsi's fault - Mubarak did nothing while this incitement levels rose, and he is to blame as well. But I don't think Morsi has much intention to change his public's opinion in regards to this wise peace treaty. And the last thing Egypt needs is another war.

I hope that I will be proven wrong. But I am very concerned that this may not be the case, and instead Egyptian progress and the revolution will be reversed (think Reign of Terror, although not necessarily saying it will result in people getting killed).

That's my opinion on it anyway. Hope you found it interesting, and if you have something to respond, by all means go ahead. --Activism1234 02:29, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for the belated response. Yes, human rights in Egypt have not improved since the revolution, at least not yet. But they're on the road to democracy now, and history has shown that it is often long and winding when the people themselves demand change (France, the United States, and Britain being classic examples — Russia and Iran are still saddled with dictators, which sucks). Things will get better in time, that much I can assure you. =) Kurtis (talk) 23:07, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Help in copyediting

Hi I rewrote The Dhimmi: Jews and Christians Under Islam article could you help a little with copyediting or maybe even expand the articles according to the sources I found.Thank you.--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 09:49, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem. I'm very busy today, but I'll try to work on it when I get a chance. If not today, then sometime this week. --Activism1234 13:18, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

I fixed some grammatical errors that I saw. Hope it helps. If you need some more help, let me know. --Activism1234 13:22, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok thank you.--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 13:39, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

I also made a minor copyedit on the article. Shrike, thanks for all your hard work on the article. -- Cheers, Riley Huntley _talk No talkback needed; I'll temporarily watch here. 06:10, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Latvian or Jew?

Todd Endelman. professor of Jewish History at the University of Michigan, states explicitly that they were not Jews.[1] So does the Jewish Research Group of the Edmonton Historical Society (the area of London including Tottenham).[2] So we seem to have a clash of reliable sources. The problem is not really the sources, but the drive-by tagging, whether by people wishing to defame Jews, or to praise them. At present, the statement hsa a reliable, even if challenged and possibly mistaken source, and I do not feel inclined to continue disputing this. RolandR (talk) 22:47, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

I see what you mean by that, but I find this type of behavior and defamation despicable. What I personally recommend in incidents like this is to wait a week, and then go back to it, perhaps filing it at a different noticeboard (maybe WP:OR? Or a noticeboard about sources?) if there's still a dispute. That gives time to settle down a bit rather than still be in the heat of it. I mean, we need to acknowledge that a reliable source can in fact say that they were Jewish - but then we have another 5 reliable sources that explicitly state they weren't, so how can we take 1 source over other ones? The answer is we can't, there's a reason newspapers have a "correction" section and not even everything gets put there or found. But it isn't our personal opinion either that this is false - this is what another 5, which unlikely all committed a mistake, say. So I think you (we?) have a very strong argument.

Hope it helps!

(btw, I wasn't stalking you or anything. I stalk ANI and such noticeboards sometimes, not you specifically!)

--Activism1234 22:52, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

But it must be admitted that the source that Number 57 added is very strong and reliable. David Cesarani is a leading historian of the Jews in Britain, and neither an antisemite nor a Jewish chauvinist. As I say, we ghave here a clash between two eminently reliable sources, and I would be very reluctant to appear to edit-war under such circumstances. RolandR (talk) 00:32, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I see what you mean. There's got to be some noticeboard for this though where it can be taken in a few days or a week, if that's what you'd like. If you're unsure, maybe ask an admin, they'd know. --Activism1234 00:33, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Iran NIE

I prefer to discuss on the talk page for the article, not on my discussion page. NPguy (talk) 03:03, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

2010 Israeli Air Force Sikorsky CH-53 Sea Stallion crash

Voilà. Please review the article again and check that everything is fine. Thanks for the help. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 19:26, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

OK. I changed the title of one section - it was way too long and messed up the linkbox. --Activism1234 20:52, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Also I feel the title of the page is too long and is unnecessary, as opposed to other examples of crashes. I think the previous title was fine. --Activism1234 20:54, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Bat Ayin ax attack

Concerns have been raised in this AfD that media coverage of the article/event is insufficient. Since I know you have vast knowledge on this topic, I'd appreciate any help you can provide in the improvement and expanding of this article so that it would meet Wikipedia's standards. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 05:27, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Np. I commented there before this message was posted, but I'll have a go at the article as well. --Activism1234 05:28, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 05:32, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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Ahmed Dabbah

Hello Activism1234. Why did you undo the redirect? We don't need two articles on the same person. The alternative name is the one used by the Knesset, so seems to be official. The version you've been editing has a few problems (such as using the wrong infobox etc). I've added some of the text from your version to the other one, so I think it now pretty much covers all the same stuff, but if not, please add some more to it. Cheers, Number 5 7 15:29, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

If you want the "credit" for creating the page, I can perform a history merge of the two articles. Number 5 7 15:30, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm confused how I undid the redirect. I only accessed the page before it was redirected to get info to put on the other page. --Activism1234 15:32, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I guess you must have saved it somehow. Anyway, let me know if you want the history merge performed. Number 5 7 15:33, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

When I type in "Ahmed Dabah" on WP it takes me to the redirected one, not mine... Can you check again? Is the issue still there --Activism1234 15:34, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

To get the text, I just went to my user contributions and clicked "diff" for Ahmed Dabah, which showed me an old version before the redirect. That's all. And I don't know much about a history merge, I'll leave that to you. --Activism1234 15:34, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

No it's fine now as I've redirected it again. Another way of accessing the old version is to click on the "Redirected from Ahmed Dabah" bit that will appear at the top of the page. You can then go to the redirect, and then history, and click on old versions to see the text. Anyway, I've done the history merge, so you now appear to be the article's creator. Number 5 7 15:37, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

All right sounds good. Thanks for your help. I appreciate it. --Activism1234 15:40, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

One more thing. I submitted a DYK nomination for it after I created the article. Should I change the link there to the new page? --Activism1234 15:41, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, probably a good idea. The Jpost article is a bit odd though, as it says he is Kadima's first Arab MK (by which I assume they mean non-Druze Arab), but then includes the two Druze (Majalli Wahabi and Akram Hasson) in their total of 17 current Arab MKs. Number 5 7 15:53, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Huh... Interesting. Well, technically Druze are Arabs. --Activism1234 16:21, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I changed the DYK nomination, but I can't change the actual title of the page, which means that when you click on it in the list of DYK nominations, the page doesn't exist. --Activism1234 16:25, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I've fixed the DYK nomination, and thanks for the barnstar! Number 5 7 20:54, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

GA review

Hi again. I'm glad you came to a decision over that issue, hopefully the other participants agree. I've placed the article on my watchlist, and (seeing your edit) I happened to notice another potential impediment. I haven't been following this story much at all, but it looks as though this could be still developing... Would that be accurate? The reason I ask, is that one of the first things needed in order to assess quality is stability. If the content of the article is liable to several major additions of new information, the quality of the page is not likely to be sustained for very long. So... is there likely to be much more to come on this particular story? Or would you say the event has reached a rough resolution?

Either way, because this happened so recently, I would recommend considering whether it would be best in the long-run to put this on hold for now. The normal procedure for "rapidly unfolding current events with a definite endpoint" is to quick-fail the nomination and have the nominator re-submit the nomination when the item becomes stable. However, you only nominated this a few days ago, and some submissions at GAN these days tend to stick around untouched for a few months. If you decide to wait, I will put the review "on hold" until you think it's blown over. And I can still do an informal preliminary review over the next few days. Otherwise, if you decide it's okay to go ahead, I will do the full review probably some time in the week.

Let me know what you decide when you next have a chance. I see that you have email enabled so you can also reach me that way if you like. Best regards, Osiris (talk) 00:15, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Okay. I'll see how things develop over the next few days. I'll do a read through it tomorrow and make some preliminary comments. Thanks, Osiris (talk) 11:37, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

I've added a preliminary review of the first section. You'll probably find it a bit thorough, but most of it is easily fixed and some parts are just recommendations. The one major issue stopping me from going further is an issue of copyrights. Let me know if you need help with this. The article was very interesting, by the way. Osiris (talk) 07:36, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Ahmed Dabbah at DYK

Please see Template:Did you know nominations/Ahmed Dabah, where I've identified a critical problem that nevertheless should be fixable without too much work. If you decide to rectify the situation, leave a note at my talk and I'll be happy to revisit the issue. Nyttend (talk) 02:20, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

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I think it worth to create WP:SPI you should say that he facing imminent ban from I/P--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 18:01, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

The comment can stay at WP:AE it doesn't do any harm.--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 18:05, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

OK I've got to run so feel free to restore it, no time. i opened an SPI here. --Activism1234 18:08, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't think they are the same. They don't write the same way. Anyway, that would be smart if you'd inform him of this CU request. Pluto2012 (talk) 18:35, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

It seems he was a sock.

Well done. That was not obvious at all to see that.

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The lead section of History of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict

Hei again. If you can find the time to do so, please help improve the lead section of this important article so that it would comply with the standards of Wikipedia:LEAD. Thanks! TheCuriousGnome (talk) 19:49, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Wow that's one big wall of text. I don't think all that info on the riots during the British Mandate or details is necessary, and I think it should be included that the Arab countries had planned to divide up the British Mandate of Palestine among themselves in 1948 and only after 1967 did the Palestinian movement really come about in the present day. --Activism1234 20:11, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Seems to all be the recent work of the user Greyshark09. I myself liked the short lead which existed prior to his additions much better, but I would also except a longer version as long as it would comply with the standards of Wikipedia:LEAD. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 20:25, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah that one is definitely better, although I wouldn't mind an extra paragraph or two. I'd be happy to support such a revert, but I don't feel I have the time to do a major revamp of it... Sorry, perhaps consult someone else. Really sorry, just don't have enough time! --Activism1234 20:30, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

OK. Thanks anyway. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 22:56, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

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Deep dorsal vein of the penis

Hello. You reverted my edits to Deep dorsal vein of the penis. However, they are not vandalism. As I wrote in the edit summary, the pictures that I deleted do NOT show the vein in question. File "Gray1159.png" clearly shows the superficial vein, but NOT the deep vein. File "Gray1156.png" shows "dorsal vein of penis", but it does not clarify whether it is the superficial or the deep vein, leading any reader to be confused. The picture I added, on the other hand, does show both veins. The superficial one is the clearest, but the deep dorsal vein is also visible. --72.200.200.169 (talk) 22:38, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi. That was my mistake - the program identified it as possible vandalism, and on a first glance it seemed like that to me. With your explanation here, I looked at it again, and reverted my edit.

Hope this helps. --Activism1234 22:41, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Classification of the Assassination of Rehavam Ze'evi

Hi again. Is the Assassination of Rehavam Ze'evi considered only a political assassination, or only a terrorist attack or maybe both? TheCuriousGnome (talk) 13:26, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

I would say both. The attack itself was by terrorists as a terrorist attack, just like targeting anyone else during that specific time period of The Second Intifada, but because it was such a high-ranking person, that makes it a political assassination as well. --Activism1234 15:19, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: Irondome

That would be good :) Irondome (talk) 00:06, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

OK no problem! Let me know if you need help with anything or have any questions. --Activism1234 00:12, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Excellent! I really appreciate your generous offer. Issues are mainly technical stuff at mo, citations and certain links. I wont be too much of a pain :). Again, thanks! Irondome (talk) 00:36, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem! I'm here to answer anything you've got. --Activism1234 00:44, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

2012 Gaziantep bombing

Hi! You made a mistake. Expression of Kurd separatists wrong and biased. First of all, there is 10-20 millions Kurds live in Turkey, however PKK (it is a illegal party and terrorist organization in many countries) has a 4-5 thousands member. How can we accept that 10-20 millions Kurds are member of PKK. Second, you removed the source. It is not an appropriate because of Wikipedia rules. Finally, PKK claimed that they are not responsible for this bombing, however, 5 people was arrested by the Turkish Police in Şanlıurfa and Gaziantep (Vatan, Milliyet, BBC). Officials said that they are member of PKK. Wish to be more careful and I apologize for my bad English. Best regards.--Reality 02:30, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, sorry for the delay, let me check over the edit and see. Thanks for notifying me. --Activism1234 03:04, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

No, you misunderstood me. I have no bad ideas about anyone who is contributed here. English is not my main language, so I can't explain my ideas exactly. I want to apologize if you are offended. I will write that page why I did that changes. Best regards.--Reality 03:20, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm not offended at all, I just didn't want any editors to think that an edit reflects a pro-PKK stance or anything like that. Yes, I fully understand, and if you have any objections to an edit, I'm more than happy to reasonably discuss on the talk page and remove if reasonable. Thanks. --Activism1234 03:21, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: Close as keep

(You wrote)

Hi,

I noticed your comment on this AfD. Did you mean to close it as an admin action, or as a comment? A result hasn't been posted on the AfD on the top, and the tag still remains on the article itself.

Thanks. --Activism1234 01:56, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for asking. I meant, to please close this AfD as an admin action, and remove the tag on the article itself. Poeticbent talk 03:37, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Ah OK just checking. --Activism1234 03:38, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I think its 'bout time you visit WP:RFP/R

I think its 'bout time you visit WP:RFP/R, don't you think? ;) I would be happy to nominate you if you want. -- Cheers, Riley Huntley _talk No talkback needed; I'll temporarily watch here. 03:46, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

~~??? I'm so confused. What do you mean? I've never edited that article before.~~ --Activism1234 03:49, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Eeeeerg I'm so lit today, sorry thought you wrote to close a case there, not to visit it. Visiting! --Activism1234 03:51, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

~~Filled it out and completely screwed up the form...~~ Fixed. Thank you for telling me about this! I appreciate it. --Activism1234 03:58, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Meles Zenawi at ITN

I beleive youre new here, but for the record ITN update requirements need several sentences and/orparas. The said article was not updated as there was only a single sentence on his death and another on his replacement.Lihaas (talk) 07:27, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

?? I updated the article myself significantly, and noticed others did as well. --Activism1234 15:15, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Please see the section Illness and death] here. --Activism1234 15:17, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

You may also be interested in what the section looked like before you edited. It was 7 lines and 2 paragraphs. --Activism1234 17:15, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Message from Ege und Eymi

Dear Activisim1234, thank you for your work on Gaziantep bombing article. It is really great job.Egeymi (talk) 20:09, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! I appreciate it! I'm not sure if I got the translation exactly correct on some of it, so feel free to change any minor wording I made. --Activism1234 20:21, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I do not think any correction is needed. You are the first WP editor who learns the names of my two crazy cats, Ege and Eymi. This info is totally unnecessary, but I just want to inform you:)) Egeymi (talk) 20:50, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm honored! I thought it was just a spelling mistake :) --Activism1234 20:52, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

In The News

I see that you are active with ITN and I was wondering how a person like me could get involved? Any info or links would be appreciated! -- Cheers, Riley Huntley _talk No talkback needed; I'll temporarily watch here. 22:47, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem. It'd be great to have you there.

There are essentially two ways to interact at ITN, both of which I do. The first is to vote on different nominations at WP:ITN/C. You simply scroll to the nomination, click "edit" (like any article), and then leave a support or oppose vote there, in a bullet point, with an explanation (like any !vote).

If you want to nominate a news event, then you should make sure that it is making international news, not necessarily #1 headline but should also be interesting enough. You get better at this also as you see more nominations. I use a variety of outlets to look at world news, and then choose a nomination from them, such as CNN World News, The New York Times World News, Reuters World News, and The Washington Post World News. I sometimes use Al Jazeera, but on Middle Eastern topics they generally report with a bias.

Also, after you find an interesting world news item to select, you can always google that headline to find more results for that newspiece on other media outlets.

Next, go to the date at WP:ITN/C where the news event happened. Click "edit" and copy the ITN template. I just copy the ITN template from another nomination (I go to that nomination, click "edit," and copy the template). I then make the necessary changes. I change the name of the article to whatever article it is related to the newspiece that will be updated, whether this article has been updated or not, who updated it, who nominated this piece, etc. It's pretty self-explanatory I think, the stuff to fill in anyway.

You can also leave a note or comment in the template.

You then save your changes and it is now nominated. Other users will vote on whether they support or oppose it.

Let me know if you have any questions. --Activism1234 23:12, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Assume good faith and refrain from personal attacks Harassment

Please review WP:AGF and WP:Personal attacks. Labeling edits "nonsense" because you disagree that the New York Times has a mixed record of reliability is very harsh, and destroys the fundamental values of working together with other editors on Wikipedia.

Please refrain from this in the future.

Thanks! --192.223.243.6 (talk) 19:50, 23 August 2012 (UTC)<

Really? Just plain copy and paste what I wrote on your talk page with good reason. Can you perhaps identify with a diff specifically which edit you're referring to, and specifically how this is a personal attack and does not assume good faith? I believe you're referring to a few edits I made against vandalism that STiKi identified (I don't recall any other edits I've identified as "nonsense"), which hardly concerns you either, and which didn't have refs, and which were identified as vandalism and checked by an editor as such. If it does, however, concern you, please answer my above questions. Thanks.

If this message was posted simply to harass and does not have any basis, I am very disappointed and saddened. --Activism1234 19:57, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

No disinterested witness to your "work" on the 2012 Burgas bus bombing article would mistake who is harassing whom in this situation. --192.223.243.6 (talk) 20:04, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Can you please answer my questions above, and avoid complaining about properly referenced info on another article? Otherwise, you're making it look like you just posted this for no reason whatever... --Activism1234 20:05, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Please answer my questions above - does this post have serious merit, or are you just cluttering up my talk page? What edit are you referring to that you believe I incorrectly labeled as nonsense? Please be specific. If you're just doing this because you don't like that there is properly referenced info in a different article, and you're taking it out on me, I'm going to be very offended, and such behavior directly contradicts the guidelines on Wikipedia. By answering these questions, if possible, you will demonstrate this is not the case. Thanks. --Activism1234 20:20, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

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Education restrictions in Iran

Activism, why would anyone be so extraordinarily provocative as to put in a flag icon to make it doubly certain that everyone knows that the Great US of A has spoken on this matter?

Why does the comment from the US need highlighting and emphasising over all the others?

One of the things that a Wikipedia article is required to do is retain balance. If, in an article about Iranian education, the only colourful icon or illustration that is used relates to another country, and has to do with a section of "opinion" or "commentary" but not with 'substance of the article', then you are creating an imbalance.

An article on Iran is really not the right place for US flag-waving. There has been quite enough flag-waving in the Middle East already, with very little positive outcome!

Trust me! You are not obliged to raise the flag ever single time that the United States of America is mentioned.

Amandajm (talk) 03:22, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Is this concern about an edit made by someone else, or by myself? If so, can you explain the diff in question? If I'm getting this correct, somewhere in that article there is an American flag? --Activism1234 03:25, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
OK I think you're referring to this. I didn't add the "flag" for any bias or reason like that, I'm just used to adding these flags in "reactions" next to countries. I don't mind your removal of it though, so don't worry. Hope this is cleared. --Activism1234 03:33, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

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Empire State Shooting dates =

You recently changed the date format of the article to dmy. Please take note of WP:STRONGNAT, which dictates that the article should actually use mdy dates, as an American event. Canuck^{89 (talk to me)} 16:22, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

Np, I converted it again to MDY. --Activism1234 16:24, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Discovery

The recent !vote deletion that happened to you is remarkably similar to what happened in this discussion. Perhaps there is a technical bug? Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 18:31, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Wow that's interesting. Phew at least now I know it wasn't just me! You should probably bring this up to Borgqueen and ask what to do. --Activism1234 18:34, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

MNA, Saudi Arabia

Activism, I put the sourced info stating that SA was invited and Abdulaziz bin Abdullah will participate in the summit. I may provide further links. Thanks, Egeymi (talk) 19:43, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Ah thanks, I did not hear about that. I think the chart should be worked on or clarified, as it may give the impression that all these heads of state are attending, and for some of them that's not the case (for some it's the foreign minister or a lower representative). I'm not sure how to word that though, and just combining references from say Country X, Y, and Z's foreign embassy on who they're sending would be WP:SYNTHESIS. --Activism1234 19:59, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Help Getting a DYK Nomination for an Article of Mine

Hey Activism1234,

Could you please help me push through the Did You Know? nomination of the article below?

Template:Did you know nominations/List of United States Presidents by net worth

Kubris (the previous reviewer of this article) hasn't responded to my latest messages on his talk page, and thus I think that I need a new reviewer since it's already been more than a week without any new response from him. Thank you very much. Futurist110 (talk) 02:53, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Np. Bear with me - I've never reviewed a DYK, so I'll need to read over the rules for doing such first, but then I'll review yours. Glad I could help! --Activism1234 05:07, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Activism1234. I really appreciate it. Futurist110 (talk) 06:08, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Np, I'm glad to help out when I'm needed. --Activism1234 06:11, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

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16th Summit of the Non-Aligned Movement

Please source your additions, otherwise it comes out as OR/Synthesis. Also verification is needed, such as an in the quote from the jpost. Ive removed it pending the sourceLihaas (talk) 01:45, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

All my edits contain refs. --Activism1234 04:09, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

AN/I is a definite contender sometimes for most hostile and unfriendly place on Wikipedia. I really wish there was a strong rule there that dictated civility, professionalism, and a focus on the issue at hand. I don't know what the answer is to fix that situation, but there sure seems to be a huge resistance to any sort of punishment for Andy. I agree that he is a definite asset when he is helping, but I don't know why he is given such a charmed life by some of those people. I'm a huge fan of mercy and compassion, but normally, asking for compassion at AN/I is like asking a shark for a kiss. Not a good idea if you want to keep your face in the right arrangement. Anyway, I appreciate seeing editors stick up for plain common sense and reason. -- Avanu (talk) 07:51, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I feel the same way. --Activism1234 15:35, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

And just remember, you don't need to respond to everything someone writes, especially if that will just lead to more nonsense and incivility. Sometimes, it's better to just let it die down a bit. --Activism1234 15:47, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I'll gatecrash into this Thanks section to thank you for adding the proper diffs. Ankh.Morpork 19:16, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem. --Activism1234 19:17, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Kenya riots

Hi, yesterday one person was killed in the demonstrations. Just for your information, cheers.Egeymi (talk) 17:49, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Yup I noticed, I put that in my comments. Thanks though. --Activism1234 17:51, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Also Egeymi, feel free to keep your vote, but these types of peace talks can take months and even years before we see any results (whether they succeed or not). I made the nomination because the fact that they're taking place - they're willing to create peace - to me was significant. (And box is red) Just wanted to clarify that. --Activism1234 17:59, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Maybe you are right, but I feel it is unproductive. On the other hand, a user recently created an article for Aboud Rogo, again FYI.Egeymi (talk) 19:32, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Okey dokey sounds good. We just desperately need to update something at ITN - it's been about 2 days, the box is red. C'mon, we can't be this lazy! Lol --Activism1234 19:33, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

OK, I got it know. I do not have enough info about some WP terms such as "(And box is red)", then make your explanations suitable for a naive editor:))Egeymi (talk) 19:52, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Ah sorry about that! Essentially, there's this box on the top of ITN, and it's red. When it's "red," it means we haven't updated ITN in a while, and we should really get our asses off the ground and get crackin! --Activism1234 19:54, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Good news :) box is no loner red at ITN! --Activism1234 20:12, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I expanded the article significantly. The article can still be expanded with other material using the refs. Thanks. --Activism1234 00:23, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks!! --Activism1234 01:36, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

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You should be reported for white-washing the facts and calling it 'neutrality. The facts you wish to hide show that you yourself advocate and are complicit in the justification for child-rape.

You are the tyrannical poster. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.222.50.86 (talk) 06:18, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Says the person who goes around vandalizing an article on a holy text by claiming it's racist... --Activism1234 06:22, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

"we already have this info in the article"

Can't find Meridor's statement in the article. Need help. --Z 16:16, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Moreover, I changed "has been challenged by Arash Norouzi" because the phrase means this has only been challenged by him. --Z 16:24, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Saying it was challenged by "many" people is weasel wording to prove a point (see WP:POINT ). Current wording is best, just attributes those who challenge it. --Activism1234 16:28, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

And what about Meridor's statement? --Z 16:30, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it's there, as I remember there was a discussion a few weeks ago about whether it belonged or not. If it's not there, it's probably because the discussion said it doesn't belong for some reason. --Activism1234 16:31, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm honestly not sure on that one, sorry, but I do remember seeing it a few weeks ago. --Activism1234 16:32, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Please from now on try not to revert whole of a valid edit because of one single word e.g. "many" in this case. --Z 16:45, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

All right, it seemed like the rest was just spacing/info already there. Your past edits right now seem fine to me though. --Activism1234 16:50, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Indicating Jewish national origin

Indicating ethnic origin as a major identificaton feature for every Israeli Jewish person, inside the first sentence of every preamble, contradicts the accepted values of this project. Barak Obama is not an African American president: first and foremost, he is an American president, whose African American origin should be discussed separately, as long as it is relevant to the article. Albert Einstein is not a German-Jewish scientist, he is a scientist, whose Jewish origin should be discussed in the article, but it would be an evident racially-instigated pov-pushing to indicate his "Jewishness" in the first sentence of the preamble. There is no reason to make an exception for the Israelis. Not to say that many of such edits create pleonastic absurdities, such as "an Israeli general in the Israel Defense Forces". If you wanted to clearly state that such a general is a Jew, you might as well decorate the article with some kind of a yellow patch template. And if you wanted to state that such a general is an Israeli (by his allegiance), try concidering whether there any Syrian or Tutsi generals in the Israel Defense Forces. -- Prokurator11 (talk) 08:09, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Not at all. Firstly, it's only a wikilink, while the actual text just says "Israeli." Secondly, it's factual. Thirdly, it's due to the fact that the category is Israeli Jews, so it makes sense to wikilink it. --Activism1234 15:00, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

As for the IDF example, it's based on the wording we use on all articles relating to people. Consider "X is an Israeli politician who serves in the 18th Knesset." If X is in the Knesset, it'd make sense that X is Israeli. But we write that anyway, A) To clear up any ambiguity B) Not everyone may know that C) That's the general formatting

Hope it helps. --Activism1234 15:01, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

It does not help. It's not "only" a wikilink: you cannot hide meaningful actions behind seemingly harmless "formalistic-general-formatting-factual" wordings, as, through your choice of action, the reader is intentionally referred to the article about an ethnicity and not to the article about the nation or the citizenship, while a person's ethnicity is not an issue for the first sentence of the preamble, unless one's ethnicity is the major feature making her or him notorious. If an ambiguity exists (and it clearly could never justify producing a comic pleonastic effect of writing about an Israeli person serving in the Israeli army), consider using a wikilink Israeli, and please leave the Jews alone. I suppose you did not mean to be insulting, but this yellow-patch diplomacy is highly degrading, highly non-encyclopedic and potentially destructive. Please refrain from it. -- Prokurator11 (talk) 19:37, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

It's a wikilink to an existing article placed where it's appropriate. We have similar articles for many races in many countries. But I'm not going to waste my time on someone falsely accusing me of racial bigotry against Jews (even typing it makes me laugh at how ridiculous that accusation is. It's truly absurd...)... Have a good day. --Activism1234 19:40, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Was I accusing you of anything? It was only a wikilink! Well, no harm meant, and if I've managed to make you laugh, the goal has been achieved. Today it is about you indicating "Israeliness" under every green tree with your good intentions, tomorrow it is about actual racial bigots using your formalistic argumentation for bringing a "paranoic anti-Jewish innuendoes" into any negative context. Been there. Good day to you too. -- Prokurator11 (talk) 19:57, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

I honestly don't see that happening as a result of my edits, but should it happen, that case would be radically different, and let me know, because I would by no means support that, and I highly doubt it would pass. --Activism1234 19:59, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Activism1234. I think we should definitely mention in the lead of those articles that these personalities are part of the Israeli-Jewish community. That is an essential part of those personalities identity and their lives, and this factor has always had much more significance in the Israeli society than for example in the American society or the French society (for example, the fact that Dominique Strauss-Kahn belonged to the French-Jewish community has no significance and should not be mentioned in his lead). For the same reason we have chosen to do the same with the articles of personalities belonging to other ethnic groups in Israel (check out for yourself the articles that are included in the categories Category:Arab citizens of Israel, Category:Israeli Circassians, Category:Druze people of Israeli nationality and Category:Bedouin Israelis). TheCuriousGnome (talk) 23:32, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

This ethnocentric and anti-humanic approach is destructive and totally wrong. The distincton between Israel and France is also clearly baseless. -- Prokurator11 (talk) 18:28, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Source

If you are interested in some ministers of Egypt government, you may look at this. I believe that you will start many good articles. Egeymi (talk) 20:31, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that source! Very useful. --Activism1234 20:41, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

For the previous cabinet, you may refer to this Activism. Np regarding Zazou's date of term.Egeymi (talk) 21:11, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

However, in the infobox, Zazou is given as serving in the cabinet of Kamal Ganzouri who was PM from Feb 2011 to 2 August 2012. It may be checked. Or the info in the box should be corrected. Because in the source I put above (the second) does not cite Zazou as Tourism Minister and also, the first one does not mention him as a minister in the Ganzouri cabinet.Egeymi (talk) 21:25, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

The Al Arabiya, Ahram, and Abou Alhool all refer to him as Minister of Tourism. I'll remove the part about Ganzouri. --Activism1234 21:29, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

I've just created Momtaz El-Saeed. Feel free to add any info I missed. Over the next few weeks, I'll embark on a project to create articles for every member of the Egyptian cabinet. Thanks. --Activism1234 22:39, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I will if necessary. I can help you in your "project", if you want. Very good idea, since the articles about Egyptian ministers are mostly outdated. Cheers,Egeymi (talk) 07:25, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Activism, I think this will contribute to your project, too.Egeymi (talk) 13:06, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

This, too. It is just a list, but good to see whether or not they held the position before.Egeymi (talk) 13:51, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

That's great! Thanks for this info. Hopefully I'll complete each article on Egyptian cabinet ministers in a few weeks. I've already created the template Template:Cabinet Qandil - goal is to get rid of all those red links by October. --Activism1234 18:51, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

NAM Summit

Hi, I think you made a mistake about Ban Ki Mon's expressions. Yesterday was the ministerial meeting and Ban did not participate in it. What has been reported relates to the side event. Today, he may speak in the summit.--Seyyed(t-c) 02:13, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

The reference doesn't give indication about that. The passage that I put in doesn't mention a ministerial meeting either. It's just statement that the Secretary General made at the actual summit itself. --Activism1234 02:14, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, the reference is not clear about that. The main Summit where he will speak there, has not start yet.--Seyyed(t-c) 02:18, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

When Ban Ki-Moon made his comments, the summit had already begun. It wasn't at a side event, like a private meeting, which I appropriately placed in side event. --Activism1234 02:21, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

He spoke during a press conference with Larijani, because the leader's summit has not started yet. He will speak there today.--Seyyed(t-c) 02:26, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

OK so it was at the summit, regardless of whether he got a chance to speak yet... --Activism1234 02:30, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Apparently, we have not the same meaning when we say "At the summit". I think just his speech at the summit can be named "at the summit". May be we can move it to the talk page. Then another editors judge about it.--Seyyed(t-c) 02:34, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Please pay attention to the article and my edition. I did not revert the same part. Those are completely different paragraph. Two of them relates to moving Ban's criticisms beside Larijani to the another section. [3] [4] While two others relates to Ban's meeting with Khamenei [5] and [6]. So as I understand I did not violate the rule.--Seyyed(t-c) 07:12, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

I am not a newcomer who do not know what is wikipedia or want to push his POV. Please refer to talk page and co-work to find a solution to write something which is clearly NPOV.--Seyyed(t-c) 07:26, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Due to the fact that the issue has repeated in the Opening speeches of the summit we should add it in the article. I added both sides quotations. However, feel free to improve, nut do not omit all of it because now a lot of sources cover the speeches.--Seyyed(t-c) 17:08, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

I changed mainly the grammar in both passages. Some of the stuff though was glaring NPOV issues. For example, writing that Ban Ki-Moon described Iran's attacks on Israel as "racist," but then saying that Iran condemned the Western world's equipping Israel with nuclear weapons, as though that's a fact, and not a conspiracy theory. So I tweaked it a bit to hopefully make it better and maintain NPOV. I also changed some wording just if it wasn't clear - for example, changing "this country" to whatever country X was referring to... --Activism1234 17:49, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

I think it's good now though. I don't know whether what Morsi said was actually controversial or whether only Syria viewed it that way, but isn't something I'm looking to get involved with. Anything else I should be aware of? Thanks. --Activism1234 17:51, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

careful with your reverts

I undid you vandalism/test reversion on Ridgecliff Middle School. In Canada any reference to Sir John A. means Sir John A. Mcdonald, and I doubt any school in any country would ever be named with just an initial. Since the previous sentence wikilinks to Sir John A. Macdonald High School it seems obvious that the edit from "Sir John A." to "Sir John A, Mcdonald" is neither vandalism not a test. Be careful with your reverts. Meters (talk) 17:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about that. Thought someone was trying to associate the school with a fast-food restaurant chain. --Activism1234 17:16, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the laugh! Meters (talk) 17:20, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Request

Activism, I hope you will again put the notice on my talkpage for the cholera page:)))Egeymi (talk) 20:13, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Of course! --Activism1234 20:19, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	Thank you very much for ITN notice and for being a good editor. Egeymi (talk) 20:23, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!!! I really appreciate it. --Activism1234 20:26, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Your edit on my talkpage is suspected. -DePiep (talk) 20:49, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm unclear what you mean by that, but I just left a note for you there concerning the source, and I appreciate the revert. If there are still questions, feel free to ask me on your talkpage. Thanks. --Activism1234 20:59, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

OK this is odd... You replied on your talkpage, you asked "where's the translation," I provied a translation, and then you removed it saying "dont fuck with my talkpage??" I was just providing a translation as you requested... This is very strange, and a bit offensive if I may add (I replied to a question, no need to start attacking me... Calm down a bit)... --Activism1234 21:03, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)I think you kow very well. For example, you know when & how to manipulate my talk page. -DePiep (talk) 21:04, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

?? Stop this. This is ridiculous. You asked a question. I replied. Don't accuse me of manipulating anything. That's offensive. Look at WP:AGF. Please explain what in the world you're referring to by "manipulation." Simply put - you asked a question, I responded politely. That's how talkpages often work... No, I don't know well what in the world you can possibly be meaning when you say I know "when & how to manipulate my talk page." Can you clarify this??? --Activism1234 21:06, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

If any talk page stalkers can explain how this edit is a "manipulation" of someone's talk page, and not simply an answer to a question, I'd appreciate it... --Activism1234 21:08, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

DePiep can be eccentric sometimes. He does a lot of work here, so tolerating some eccentricity is a fair trade. When he gets like this, it's best to ignore him. You've done nothing wrong. Hopefully this will draw some of the fire away from you. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:11, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes I noticed his work with templates, which is why I was quite taken aback by this. All right thank you very much, I appreciate it. --Activism1234 21:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)And you could add, Floq: most often DePiep is right. But alah, that great you are not. -DePiep (talk) 21:15, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

More Did You Know? Nomination Reviews

Hello Activism1234,

Would it be possible for you to review the DYK? nominations of two more of my articles:

Thank you very much. As for editing Israel-related articles more often, I try to edit them whenever I can but a lot of them already have a lot of info in them. Keep in mind that I already did a lot of work on Israel-related topics, such as writing the Campaign section for the article Kadima leadership election, 2008 (I need to format the sources, but I'll do that later). Also, one more thing--how exactly do I get more closely connected to more Wikipedians? I want to meet other users but an unsure of the best approach to go about it. What would be your advice on this issue? Thanks again and have a good day. Futurist110 (talk) 01:28, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Damnit Beilin-Abu Mazen agreement still hasn't passed? Don't worry, we'll get it eventually.

As for meeting other Wikipedians... Look at a Wikiproject that you're a member of and some of the members there, maybe leave a note on their talk page or look at their user contributions and edit articles they're editing as well... Primarily for me, it's just from editing a wide range of articles that I interact with other people. Maybe someone will have better advice. --Activism1234 01:34, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Also, I don't think I can review Beilin-Abu Mazen agreement, as I was involved in writing the article. --Activism1234 01:42, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I responded to your comments on Lebergott. As for Beilin-Abu Mazen, I'll ask someone else to take a look at it. Thank you again. Futurist110 (talk) 04:36, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Yup I saw, I responded back. --Activism1234 04:38, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Good, and thank you. BTW, I finally got this DYK? nomination -- Template:Did you know nominations/List of United States Presidents by net worth -- pushed through due to your generous help. Futurist110 (talk) 06:01, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah :) glad I could help!! --Activism1234 06:03, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I added a new hook to the Stanley Lebergott DYK? nomination. Also, I responded to your comments about Iran's nuclear program in the Humanities section of the Reference Desk. Futurist110 (talk) 03:15, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Checking it out now. --Activism1234 03:47, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Activism, if you have an extra moment, could you please look at this DYK? nomination of mine? Thank you very much. :

Template:Did you know nominations/Historical polling for U.S. Presidential elections

I fixed what you said I should fix in that Historical polling for U.S. Presidential elections article. Futurist110 (talk) 03:29, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Activism, I've got yet another DYK? nomination that needs to be reviewed. If you have some extra time and won't mind, could you please take a brief look at it? Thank you.

Template:Did you know nominations/Historical religious demographics of the United States Futurist110 (talk) 01:57, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Corrections for Shrike

I appreciate your offer and efforts to help Shrike out after all the drama. I think it might be helpful if you use some kind of standard edit summary when you do it on a talk page so that people who didn't follow the ANI thread will know why you're correcting another editor's talk page comments. Also then I won't have to look at the page every time it pops up on the watchlist! Just a thought.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 16:54, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Good idea. Maybe a default summary "fixing minor grammar mistakes per agreement with Shrike" and marking the edit as minor would suffice? --Activism1234 16:55, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

That's exactly the kind of thing I had in mind. Thanks.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 16:56, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Feel free to trout me. I clicked on Twinkle to give myself a warning about using edit summaries, but it said "giving yourself warnings can be seen as a sign of mental instability. Are you sure you want to continue?" I just clicked no... Lol --Activism1234 16:57, 2 September 2012 (UTC)