User talk:Jarnail zoravar singh ki jai

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Kishtwari

Hi! I saw your post at User talk:Anthony Appleyard#Kishtwari language. I don't think you're likely to get a response soon: Anthony Appleyard hasn't edited at all for over two months now, and when he's back he's unlikely to have much to say: he doesn't normally edit articles about languages or South Asia (you must have seen that he renamed the page, but he was only fulfilling a technical request there).

The paper by Varma you asked about is most likely the following:

Varma, Siddeshwar (1939). "Indian Dialects in Phonetic Transcription I. Dardo-Pahāṛi". Indian Linguistics. 7 (2): 88–97.

Your best best is to try looking for it in a good regional or university library. As a last resort, you may have a look at WP:RX.

If I remember correctly, Varma's position was that Kishtwari is what he calls a Dardo-Pahari language, that is, it's intermediate between Kashmiri and Western Pahari. This close relationship with the Pahari languages is also acknowledged by those authors who choose to count Kishtwari among the dialects of Kashmir.

The Wikipedia article Kishtwari certainly needs a lot of work, but I don't think you have reason to be unhappy with the editors who have reverted you there: they're simply applying one of Wikipedia's most fundamental policies: WP:Verifiability. If you'd like to make changes to the article, you'd need good sources supporting those changes. Your interest in the paper by Varma shows that you're going in the right direction there.

You should also bear in mind another very important policy: WP:Neutral point of view. Our articles shouldn't only follow the viewpoint of this or that particular author, but they should try to represent, in a balanced way, all the important views on a topic. Varma and Grierson aren't the only ones to have written about this language. You can search on Google Scholar, you'll be able to find a few more recently published texts.

And one more thing. There's no need to see things in a personal way. What this or that linguist have said about the language, whether they place it within this or that language group (or dialect chain), whether people call it "language" or "dialect" – all that doesn't really matter. You should be proud of your linguistic heritage regardless. – Uanfala (talk) 20:37, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can you help me to find article of s verma on kishtwari Jarnail zoravar singh ki jai (talk) 12:11, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Our forefathers have also told us that kishtwari was pahadi language it mixed with Kashmiri when Kashmiri refugees settled here Jarnail zoravar singh ki jai (talk) 12:12, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]