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Found another pic.

This one is a nice sideways view -- see M1918 240 mm Howitzer. Cheers W. B. Wilson (talk) 19:02, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Wilson, Jeez it was a brute! The photo give a better impression of its size. Check the photos at the bottom of French 280 mm it was based on. The French 280 mm does not look as large as the American 240 mm. The American 240 mm looks like it has a longer barrel than the French 280 mm even though my references give the same barrel length. Also, you can see the outriggers at the back -- ie speculation was that it moved when it was fired at low angles. Also, the first American built 240 mm exploded firing its first proof shot. Wonder why??? I can see if the French model they copied had been a smaller caliber and the Americans wanted it upgraded to a larger caliber. But it is the opposite. And it would seem the American version would have had a thicker barrel walls???? Again, thanks for the help. Without your help, there would have been poor references and no pics at all on that page -- sort of like a meal without salt and pepper.
On another subject. Talking about pages where they fight like a cat and a dog in sack, it is the FGM-148 Javelin and the Spike (missile) English WP pages, both antitank missiles. If someone changes a comma to a semi-colon on either page it is almost a civil war!! I have been asked to help on both pages. But decided to pass, with the exception of some items I added when I first came to the WP community, which was not much. But there is one thing I noticed about the Javelin page. You know how skimpy the non-English WP pages are. Like there is no culture in the non-English language WP community of doing something without recognition or payment like is seems to be with the the English WP community. Well, the German language version of the Javelin page is by far and above ahead of the English Javelin page. I would never openly suggest it, but the best option would be to just replace the English Javelin page with a translation of the German language Javelin page translated to English (the reverse of what usually happens in the WP world - the larger and better English WP pages translated to other languages) and work on the translation and make it more readable. It is that much better. And unlike the English Javelin page there are no errors that I can see at least. Jack Jackehammond (talk) 05:22, 18 November 2010 (UTC)


Pacusan Dreamboat record long distance flight

I removed a link you added to 1945 Japan–Washington flight. The link properly belongs in an article about Colonel Irvine flying the Pacusan Dreamboat, not an article about three generals flying three other B-29s.

Would you like to write that article? It deserves its own page. What do you think it should be called?

Here's the link I removed:

Cheers -

Binksternet (talk) 08:58, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Distilled water

Nice addition to this page. It added a historical context, something that was lacking on the page - great work. --E8 (talk) 19:34, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Need photo/drawing of ROC VB-9 through VB-12 WW2 guided bomb

Folks, I have run into a snag on being a lazy WP editor. I have found some wonderful external links and references for articles, only WP has lied about everything being written about. I have hit three in a row this last week so I have had to go back and do it the old fashion way if I want to find a home for my great ex links. The latest is the ROC VB-10 and ROC VB-12 guided bomb. Got a great ex link with great color photos. No page on the ROC though. Not even a general subject page where I can park the link, till I write the article. So guess what. I will write up a stub, but I need a photo. Any photo or drawing. WP Commons does not have one. If you can find one, please post it to this sandbox ROC VB series (bombs). Thanks for any help. Jack Jackehammond (talk) 10:49, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Jack, fyi http://www.vectorsite.net/twbomb_04.html has some information on these weapons. Cheers, W. B. Wilson (talk) 11:16, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Jackie Chan, this photo should be useable as it is on a .mil resource: http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/090403-F-1234P-009.jpg
Here is one of the VB-1 AzOn: http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/090901-F-1234S-002.jpg Cheers, W. B. Wilson (talk) 11:20, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
More -- http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=1959 http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=1049 W. B. Wilson (talk) 11:22, 20 November 2010 (UTC)



Wilson, Much thanks. One of those links told me something that I was not aware of -- ie there as a VB-10 ROC that used infrared. Now here is the "rub" as they say in Shakespeare. There are three pages on individual VB bombs -- eg VB-3. Do you think that one page should cover all the VB series or should I stick with just writing a page on the ROC VB series (VB-10, VB-11 and VB-12)? Or should we ask Milborneone to make a ruling?? Also, I am copying all this stuff to the VB ROC sandbox. And Much'O thanks for the government photo of the ROC. I hate pages with no photo at the top. Jack Jackehammond (talk) 05:27, 21 November 2010 (UTC)


Jack, if it were me, I'd do all of the VB series in one page as they didn't seem to see much in the way of service. Cheers, W. B. Wilson (talk) 09:02, 21 November 2010 (UTC)


Wilson I agree. There are some individual VB pages, but there can just be links to them for a more detailed description. That way we don't step on any toes of other editors that have individual pages. The list is VB-1 through VB-13. The one used the most in WW2 was the VB-1 AzOn. Thinking about naming the page "VB series (guided bombs)" Jack Jackehammond (talk) 08:22, 22 November 2010 (UTC)


Wilson, I have the outline for the page on the VB series of guided bombs at User:Jackehammond/sandboxes-VB series (guided bombs). If you can give it a look over. I have learned the hard way to do an outline on new pages first and make sure the outline is ok. It is hard to undo to the point of having to start over if you get it wrong. But if you find no problems or have suggestions, I will start filling in the blanks spaces. Jack Jackehammond (talk) 06:31, 23 November 2010 (UTC)


Jack, any of the USAF photos can be uploaded to Wikipedia and used directly in the article since they are a *.mil resource and in the public domain. Don't need them as external links. Otherwise looks good. Cheers, W. B. Wilson (talk) 19:16, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Signal flags

Thanks for the link you added at International maritime signal flags. Very interesting. (That article may go away, but I'll add the link elsewhere.) I suspect signal flags may be just an incidental topic for you, but was wondering: would you know anyone with an interest in the earlier history of flag signaling in the U.S. Navy? - J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 18:40, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Dear Johnson, No I don't have that info. I just spotted that article trolling old Popular Mechanics looking for weapons on WW2. But from my reading, I do know that it was the British during the Napoleon Wars that brought naval signal flagging to a fine art. It was one of the best kept secrets fighting Napoleon and maintaining a blockade on the European coast. Jack Jackehammond (talk) 20:07, 22 November 2010 (UTC)


Wikiwings!

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I hereby award you the WikiWings for your tireless work making quality additions, both in content and references, to Wikipedia's aircraft and military articles. Keep up the good work. The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed 07:43, 25 November 2010 (UTC)



Thank Your. Jack Jackehammond (talk) 07:44, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Cornelius XFG-1

Morning Jack: I'm not worried what capacity we quote, but Fahey p.37 (the present ref) does say 677 g. We need a ref to your source to use this revised number. Cheers,TSRL (talk) 10:15, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Dear TSL, The 2nd reference in that paragraph where the fuel storage is stated, which is -- or seems to be -- an article done with the US Army Air Transport Command by Popular Science. I have a feeling they kept testing it for long range transports after WW2. And an article on all the WW2 military gliders in Air Enthusiasts (now Air International) gave the statement that it was originally developed for long range bombers and Popular Science stated the B-29 which would make sense, and maybe along with the B-32. But I spent an hour looking up that one dang issue of Air Enthusiasts/June 1972 page 320. In its second volume (each volume was 6 month) the AE editors did a four part series titled The Rise and Demise of a Weapon', which was almost a book in content and is considered the #1 reference for the R&D and manufacturing technical aspects of WW2 military gliders. And if you click on that page, you will discover that Popular Science was wrong; or else Popular Science is right (ie the article is the earliest) and everyone would seem to be wrong. But I would bet good money on Air Enthusiasts. The Brits are slaves to the facts with their aviation publications. Btw, in that article it is revealed the German's developed an assault glider that would land in almost zero feet, with braking rockets in the nose and a braking chute deployed moments before landing. Similar to the USAF conversion of a C-130 during the Iranian Hostage Crisis to land in that soccer stadium. Finally, I was for sure I was right. RATS!!!! <GRIN> Jack Jackehammond (talk) 12:24, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Douglas Cloudster II

Materialscientist (talk) 00:05, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

US Army World War 1 to 1930s Artillery GOLD MINE

Wilson While trolling for some info on the 1916 37mm cannon used in WW1 and even the Philippines (I would have sent every one in the US and gave it to every Philippine military and police unit before the Japanese invaded -- imagine the guerrillas having them) in 1941-42, I came across Gold Mine of info on the 1918 240mm I know they are government photos, but I don't know how to get them. Also, I think we should post a link to the pages any how. What is your thoughts???? But no matter what. At last this cannon is not a mystery. Jack Jackehammond (talk) 09:04, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Jack, you can right click on a page you want and save the entire page as a .jpg file. Then, you can use paint or other graphics software to crop out the photo you want. I was able to do this with the photo of the 240mm piece. Cheers, W. B. Wilson (talk) 16:55, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

The M18 recoilless rifle page has a great photo

Wilson If you get a chance check the top of the M18 recoilless rifle page. Jack Jackehammond (talk) 19:56, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

It is a nice photo. I have to admit I'm skeptical, though. The photo is of very high quality for the war. As well, the boots of the guy carrying the M18 do not appear to be "jump boots" and may even have a modern appearance, but that may just be mud on them. The para behind him appears to be wearing black jump boots -- I don't think black was a boot color at that point in the U.S. Army. I could be wrong, but I wonder if this is a photo of re-enactors vice airborne infantry of 1944. Have you ever seen this photo anywhere else? Plus, the "File usage on other Wikis" link points to an article about a combat knife on the Polish Wiki and does not display this photo. Cheers, W. B. Wilson (talk) 04:41, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


Wilson What I wondered about was not the boots, but the date and the sight. It maybe a photo of a demonstration team showing it to some officers of the first one to reach Europe. But it is still a good photos. All the person who posted the photo had to do was say it was re-enactors and that the photo was released to public domain without any conditions. It would still make a good photo. Strange, we both had questions, but neither of us had the same questions. Jack Jackehammond (talk) 09:11, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


Maybe us old dogs just smell rat better, Jack <g> Yeah, I wondered about the date after I left the house this morning. The recoilless rifles didn't reach Europe until early 1945. W. B. Wilson (talk) 17:41, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
One other hint. There is some kind of tank on the left side of the photo. It may be my imagination, but the tank turret has a modern slab-like look to it. But without better resolution, it would be hard to say one way or the other. W. B. Wilson (talk) 17:50, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
I may be wrong. This site claims the photo is from Operation Varsity in 1945. W. B. Wilson (talk) 17:57, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


Wilson Sorry, I had a message some where else and missed the last two on my talk page. It would make sense if it is Operation Varsity. At that time the British started fielding tanks that were more slab sided -- ie the Cromwell, etc. Jack Jackehammond (talk) 04:54, 8 December 2010 (UTC)


J, I know your contributions are entirely well-meaning and do provide an additional source, but there are issues in your formatting; can you follow the standard: Author (last, first name). "Title of article" (URL first). Publisher (in this case, Popular Mechanics, volume, issue, other number), date of publishing (month, year), page number. FWiW, this may help the continual clean-up required. Bzuk (talk) 18:53, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

J, you continue to add refs but the cleanup also continues unabated. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 14:34, 22 December 2010 (UTC).


Dear Bzuk, Feel free to deleted the links or undo. I will make no complaints and consider it fair enough. Jack Jackehammond (talk) 05:55, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


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Bzuk (talk) 23:16, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Marne monument

Jack, looks like it is still there, in the town of Meaux: this site It would probably be better remembered had the 2WW not obscured the memories of the first war. Cheers, W. B. Wilson (talk) 09:03, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

If I had to guess, I would say it is located here Cheers, W. B. Wilson (talk) 09:09, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

More here Cheers, W. B. Wilson (talk) 09:11, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Getting the reference with title, magazine and date right

Re: Dear Bzuk, Believe it or not, I am really trying to get it right as you requested. I check your corrections to try to match future reference to your correction. But it seems with the Mars page I am still not getting it right. So as I see from your correction, you want Popular Mechanics italicized, but the date normal? For example Popular Mechanics, pg 49 June 1944. Jack Jackehammond (talk) 05:30, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

[edit] PM on hp power of B-36 with jets and pistons used????

Dear Bzuk can you look at the article on the bottom of page 124 "B-36 Adds Four Jet Engines" Popular Mechanics, July 1949. I have gave this as a reference, but not all things you read are true. I will revert if you find it not probable. Jack Jackehammond (talk) 07:11, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Reply: Hi Jack, Happy New Year! The typical formatting for a serial (magazine, journal) article is: AUTHOR. "TITLE". PUBLISHER, DATE. The example therefore is written: Hammond, Jack E. and Bill Zuk. "B-36 Adds Four Jet Engines." Popular Mechanics, June 1944, p. 49. Note that author is given as last, first name for first author and first. last name for all second authors; third authors and more authors can be listed as "et al." Article titles are in full, with verbatim sentence or title formatting, while the serial title is considered the "main" title and is differentiated by italics. The serial title with "imbedded url" is followed by the serial source, given in full with volume, issue, and number if used by the publisher. Note: dates appear as a last entry, followed by the page number or page range (pp. 49–50). An actual page "placement" is not necessary. FWiW, Jack, you are doing a "swell" (when have you last heard that word) job, keep it up. Bzuk (talk) 14:26, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Remember SNIA S.p.A.?

Manufacturer of Italian bombs, rockets, etc? They're done -- following is a Google translation of an Italian article.

Borsa Italian SpA has ordered, from the sitting of 27 December 2010, the withdrawal from listing on the Electronic Share Market (MTA) of ordinary shares and bonds of the SNIA, "SNIA Convertible Bonds 2005-2010" issued by SNIA SpA in Extraordinary Administration.

To communicate is the extraordinary commissioner of the company with a note stating that under special administration was also ready to cancel warrants Snia 2005-2010 from the official list as of 16 December.

The title will disappear from the stock exchange after 90 years from first listing, in 1920, a few years before Fiat, Pirelli and Generali.

For nearly a century, the name SNIA has marked the history of the Italian chemical industry, and national policy.

Born in Turin in 1917 as an acronym for American Italian Navigation Company, the company created and led by Richard Gualino took care of shipping.

With the collapse of freight rates after the First World War it changed name and became the main business of textile and synthetic fiber production.

In 1925 SNIA already boasted the largest capital between Italian and because exports 80% of its products, was also the first company in the country to be listed in New York and London.

With the revaluation of the lira decided by the regime began the first misfortune, but in the thirties the company, led by Franco Marinotti hour and a shareholder in the hands of English and German Glanzstoff Courtaulds, launched into new acquisitions (Pignone, Olcese) and became increasingly international.

After the death of Marinotti, which occurred in 1966, the group landed in the orbit Mediobanca, gave birth to the merger with Brombin Parodi Delfino and changed its name to SNIA Bpd.

For a time 'was also in the hands of Montedison in 1983 and came to those of Fiat, the family company shareholder ancient Snia Giovanni Agnelli.

The group flourished for about fifteen years, during which it acquired the Caffaro, rushed in aviation and space, under the guidance of Umberto Rosa, went so far as the biomedical (Sorin).

The search for new areas could not conceal the crisis of the entire chemical industry and in 1998 the Italian Fiat company sells the bulk un'opv equal to 2,100 billion lire.

Snia passed so under the supervision of Louis Giribaldi Valetto and Cornelius, and through the company and found themselves 30% majority shareholders. Then, in 1999, it was Emilio Gnutti to lead the group through companies and businessmen linked to Hopa, in 2002 he launched a takeover bid on 71% of the entire capital by assessing the company € 950 million.

But the downward trend seemed unstoppable and the group was becoming almost exclusively a source of trading transactions in the stock market.

With the declared insolvent by the Court of Milan in April ended the history of the company.

On October 5 this year Mark Cap, Special Commissioner of SNIA in Extraordinary Administration, announced that the Ministry of Economic Development has authorized the execution of the program integrated with Final liquidation on the SNIA SpA in extraordinary administration.
Cheers, W. B. Wilson (talk) 07:28, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Wilson Thanks for the info. Sorry, I took so long to get back with a reply. Wife and I took a short trip to NC and SC. Coast was cold, Mts were surprisingly nice. As to SNIA. All Western European arms manufactures are having a hard time, with other nations like China, Russia, Singapore, South Africa, etc coming in on the market with the same items, only cheaper. And more important, no questions asked if a UN Resolution is passed. Also, Saddam's Iraq was a big buyer from SNIA paying premium price. Jack Jackehammond (talk) 09:46, 3 January 2011 (UTC)


Not sure how much SNIA was into arms recently, apparently the chemicals industry is in trouble as well. SNIA used to own BPD but sold them to Simmel Difesa. Wonder how Simmel is doing in terms of sales given the competition you mentioned. Cheers, W. B. Wilson (talk) 16:56, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Happy, happy

Happy New Year, and all the best to you and yours!

Lewisburg Pen

FYI some references are archived using web.archive.org, such as this one you deleted. I restored it. Thanks smooth0707 (talk) 19:42, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip and the work hunting up the new link. I was thinking that it is a shame that these links keep going dead. Wonder why? But at least there is a way to get them back. Again, thanks. Jack Jackehammond (talk) 04:59, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

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