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Name

I want my name to get a fancy colour. Where do i go for this? PassaMethod (talk) 12:34, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Check out Wikipedia:Signatures. If you have problems show me what you tried and I'll help you out. --JaGa^talk 17:37, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

blurb on you

Hi, could you check it and change if necessary? Thanks. Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-03-21/Features_and_admins Tony (talk) 06:05, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

OK, will do. I should've updated my user page a long time ago... --JaGa^talk 06:33, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank You

Thanks for you quick zap on Vandal Phantomdc. I see that you have also corrected some of its nasty little games. I am impressed! I found and corrected some too. Nasty makework! You are much appreciated! Namaste... — DocOfSoc • Talk • 11:39, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Phantomdc IMO is the worst kind of vandal - one who carefully plants false information. Some of the edits (such as to Boise and Phoenix) had escaped detection and were about a month old! It took about an hour to undo his edits - it's always tough when vandalism is buried deep beneath valid edits - but it's rewarding work. Cheers, --JaGa^talk 15:47, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Just because

DocOfSoc has given you a breath of Spring to promote WikiLove, gratitude and Joy ;-)

— DocOfSoc • Talk • 07:30, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Congrats on your recent promotion!!! — DocOfSoc • Talk • 01:32, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks much, Doc. Your kind words have meant a lot to me. Cheers, --JaGa^talk 01:41, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

PC

"Keeping the PC trial going will expose more people to PC" - no, it absolutely will not; quite the opposite. We're stuck; we can't move forwards; we can't expand PC because of this silly deadlock situation. If we want PC to be usable, we need to end the trial. Please, read what I wrote in #Limbo. Thanks.  Chzz  ►  10:52, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much for reconsidering. I fully accept your opinion that there is no necessity to end the trial (although clearly I disagree), but I think it's great that you've agreed to not object to it, in the interests of progress. That is a great example of consensus and consideration of other opinions. Thanks.  Chzz  ►  18:08, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

AutoWikiBrowser

Hello JaGa, Could you please place rights for AutoWikiBrowser on my account, I previously edited under the username User:Gabriele449 and my account was renamed. I had AutoWikiBrowser on this account. Thanks. Jessy ^T/C 22:07, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

I was just about to do this and Courcelles beat me to it! Sorry I didn't see it sooner. --JaGa^talk 01:20, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Disambiguation

I have created a page for [David C. Unger] and now entered a disambiguation link onto [David Unger]. I had been trying to read to all editors hints, but I do have some doubt of whether I made this correctly. If you have any chance, could you check this out and help me to correct it. Pingu (talk) 21:22, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Andhra

I noticed that you reverted changes I made to Andhra site and Andhra_(disambiguation). Andhra word primarily means coastal Andhra within the context of Andhra pradesh. Telangana and Rayalaseema people don't describe themselves as people of Andhra. They describe themselves as people of Andhra Pradesh or people from Telangana or Rayalaseema. Only coastal Andhra people describe themselves as people of Andhra. Media(specially nationa media) often get confused about this and makes mistakes. My explaination in Andhra_(disambiguation) was to remove this media confusion. I am not sure how and where we include this info. I thought this is right place to explain this.Ramcrk (talk) 18:57, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I'm glad you left a note. I wasn't crazy about taking out content but the WP:MOSDAB requires each entry to have a short description. Could you write a short summary for the introduction of the disambig page? That would be acceptable, as long as it isn't too long. I'd do it myself but I'm fuzzy on the concept. --JaGa^talk 05:53, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

I wrote some description about this. See at Andhra_(disambiguation). Hope this is acceptable. Thanks. Ramcrk (talk) 18:23, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Sometimes or often

Hi JaGa. I noticed that you have a preference of "often" over "sometimes". I have raised the question here: Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation#Sometimes or often?. As only a fraction of Wikipedia articles need to be disambiguated it seems to me to be more accurate to use sometimes, but I do understand that I may be missing something. Regards SilkTork *^YES! 11:39, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

User boxes

I've just looked at the user boxes on your user page. I think I agree with pretty much all your boxes. SilkTork *^YES! 11:43, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Desert Rock, Arizona

This was the fictional town in Tarantula_(film)#Production. LOL. I am re-directing it instead. Bearian (talk) 20:38, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Ha! Works for me. Thanks for the note. --JaGa^talk 21:56, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Bonus List pages not updating

The subject line says it all; for some reason, this always seems to happen near the end of the month. Coincidence? --R'n'B (call me Russ) 10:28, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to put my money on coincidence. The cause is usually an outage that occurs during script execution that gums things up. The last update took waaaay too long - almost an hour - so I'll bet there was a restart or something while the next script was struggling to execute. (Oh, and it took a long time because of a join, so the large number of fixes at the end of the month had nothing to do with the slow performance I saw.) --JaGa^talk 15:36, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Hotels

Hi. I agree with you "List of hotels" seems very vague and just like List of Europeans but it isn't directory of every hotel. List of top hotels or List of 4 and 5 star hotels would seemingly indicate more notability but as I said official 4 or 5 star is hard to register. It is supposed to be a list of the most notable hotels which are covered beyond travel brochures which are architecturally or historically significant. You must agree that most countries have a handful of hotels which are as notable as any other city landmarks. Its supposed to be the ones which stand out and mostly those which have coverage in third party sources on other topics. Some hotels for instance featured prominently during wars or terrorist attacks. Honestly I know you don't trust my judgement but there are really not an extreme number of hotels which really have good coverage for each country. Believe it or not I want to write about lavish buildings and those with a rich historic heritage not every branch of Best Western or Travelodge. List of hotels in Malta is exactly the way it shouldn't be done and I doubt very of them at all have the coverage in books which are required on this. The way to do it would be to redirect to a list and only feature those which are particularly notable, probably less than one quarter of those in that list.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:07, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Compare say Hotel Imperial to Bermudas Hotel, a 2-star hotel in Benidorm..♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:22, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with your judgment in choosing hotels for the list; my concern is that there isn't a way to keep other editors from spamming it up. Without rock-solid qualifying criteria like a National Register, a list should only include hotels that already have an article - thus guaranteeing notability. --JaGa^talk 06:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

The thing is that doesn't guarantee notability. Some of our missing top hotels from some countries on here are in my view many times more notable than some of the small three star borderline notable hotels which have articles on here for some places like Canada, US and Australia. Its just the bias of wikipedia will have somebody starting a three star hotel in say Michigan or something and ignoring a five star skyscraper in Quito or something you know? OK here's an example, compare Regatta Hotel, Brisbane to Hotel Plaza Grande in Quito. The hotel is only notable really because it is placed on the Australian heritage, its certainly not a prominent architectural piece or luxury hotel... Notability is definitely not conferred by the fact it has an article. Rather it is dictated by the inherent bias that currently exists on wikipedia and I try to address. In fact I left out some of the hotels currently with articles in the list as I didn't think they were notable enough. Well I'm putting the lists on my watchlist but given the few contributing to hotels on wikipedia (which is why I took the iniative) then I seriously doubt spamming will take place. Over time I will try to get those which have multiple sources available to prove notability started, so eventually the coverage should be more even globally, even if the majority of hotel articles will always lie in the US and UK. The problem is that hotels are something of a taboo on wikipedia and are seen as too touristy and advert like for wikipedia. But in any major world city the five star hotels at least are generally as prominent as any other landmarks in the city and should be covered by wikipedia, providing they are written encyclopedically and are not just a brochure for its amenities. There are also many missing defunct hotels, I've started a few like La Salle Hotel and Buckingham Hotel which at their time were the most notable in the relative cities.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:20, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

The thing is lists aren't really my thing. I used them as tools to route out articles I think are notable, trying to see the world evenly and then work at building them. I'd rather gear my time into creating the missing articles with a few sources than toiling with lists. You could argue that it would be better to have created the lists in my user space instead and reduce the risk of somebody spamming with all sorts of non notable hotels. But the history shows that quite a lot of people have been searching for a decent list and find it useful as a starting point. I agree the amount of red links is not good and I believe lists should contain useful information rather than being just a directory. The best thing I can do really is the create the articles and the quality of the lists can improve over time.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:58, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Sources like this are the sort which dictate notability.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:07, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Untagged Uncategorized Articles

Hi,
regarding a question about your untagged_uncats tool, please see WP:Village pump (technical)#Job' comforters.
Cheers, Amalthea 09:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for the note. --JaGa^talk 15:04, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Re: Peters Township, Washington County, Pennsylvania

User:71.61.17.135 has made the same reversion you blocked them for. Dru of Id (talk) 12:57, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I gave him a final warning; if it happens again I'll give a longer term block. --JaGa^talk 19:29, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

As of yet, it has not been reverted, although part was removed. Dru of Id (talk) 21:58, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

OK, I took care of it. Why didn't you revert? --JaGa^talk 23:29, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Once I know someone's being blocked, it seems more appropriate to have someone with tools handle it; it wasn't libelous, didn't seem like a copyvio, just unsourced & incorrect puffery, which I've previously reverted, although I noticed the puffery as an aside being more drawn to '2011' census. I'm normally neck-deep in AfD referencing or Congressional lists and waiting for something to load when I flip back through previous articles. They were edit warring before I got there, and as unhelpful as the edit is, it isn't contentious vandalism, and I'd rather not edit war with anyone. Dru of Id (talk) 00:39, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

The part that got to me was the changes to the income statistics. At first I thought maybe they had some newer information, but I couldn't find anything to back up their unsourced changes, and of course the changes were highly dubious (median household income $102,320 -> $118,320; family income $108,246 -> $130,246; per capita income $36,606 -> $46,606; only changes to the thousands? And that's sourced somewhere?) Either that's an amazing coincidence or the user was adjusting the numbers to their personal preference. I've always considered deliberate factual errors to be a serious offense since they're so hard to catch. I'm giving this editor one last chance to explain what they're doing, and if they simply put up their false info again I'll give them a lengthy block. BTW I appreciate your cautious approach; so many would run in with guns a-blazing. Wikipedia needs more editors like yourself. --JaGa^talk 01:28, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

I've referred to vandal fighting as playing Whac-a-mole, and I prefer being bold at trying to 'rescue' stuff. :D Dru of Id (talk) 04:05, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Ah yes. Here's an illustration of vandal fighting in the old days. It's heartening to see how we still hold on to the time-honored traditions... --JaGa^talk 07:06, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Re: Compton, California

Oh Illustrious Admin, (it is still fun to say that! ) Would you consider protecting Compton? The vandals are persistent and tiresome. Regularly a few times a week forever and nasty racist stuff. If you read a bit of the history you will see that. Thank you for your consideration. And Hey! How's it goin'? Your proletarian Joy tee hee — DocOfSoc • Talk • 00:31, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi Doc! Good to hear from you. You're right, the stuff from new users was consistently (maybe solely) vandalism, and it was definitely above the "acceptable" 5%, so I gave it a couple of weeks. If it resumes after the protection expires I'll be happy to up the ante. --JaGa^talk 01:49, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi Ya JaGa! Thanks, You are awesome, but I knew that! Have a GREAT weekend. Namaste... — DocOfSoc • Talk • 02:26, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Re: Template:Idol series

Thanks for the assistance on that one. I had thoughts of trying to fix the disam again myself but I felt like I didn't need the heachache. :) So thanks. --User:Woohookitty ^{Disamming fool!} 05:04, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

My pleasure. It gets tough when you're on your own against someone who feels they don't even have to discuss their revert. I just hope this is the end of it. --JaGa^talk 07:36, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Spiritual awakening

Dear Gaga, I am not sure what your particular conflict is here. It is a matter of opinion whether "spiritual awakening" can be an encylopedic fact. It is used freely elsewhere in Wikipedia to describe the experiences of modern and ancient teachers, and, as my last revision indicated, it is also defined. Is there a way that this could be said that would satisfy you. "Turning to spirituality" does not capture it. What I am looking for is something that refers to a specific moment in time where there was a life changing experience outside of any preconditioned spiritual dimension.Earthboathjb25 (talk) 17:35, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

That's exactly my problem. You can't prove that he experienced "a life changing experience outside of any preconditioned spiritual dimension". He may say that, but that doesn't make it so, and can't be reported as if it's a fact. But it is a fact that he turned to spirituality. The problem here is, you very much want this article to read like one of his books instead of an encyclopedia article. If you feel strongly that the language must change, we can get a third party to review. --JaGa^talk 17:47, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I do feel strongly about it, not because I want the article to read like one of Jaxon-Bear's books, but because I disagree with your analysis that the term "Spiritual Awakening," as defined for example within Wikipedia (http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Religious_experience), cannot be an "encyclopaedic fact." Perhaps one could qualify it as "an experience often described as..." A third party review would I think be a good idea. Please advise how we would go about this.Earthboathjb25 (talk) 10:48, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Waiting for an response to this....Earthboathjb25 (talk) 10:05, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

You place a request for a third opinion at Wikipedia:Third opinion - you can follow the instructions there. Regarding the spiritual awakening, the difference is subtle but important. You can't state "he had a spiritual awakening" as if it's a fait accompli, because there's no proof outside him saying it happened. So the best you can do is qualify it - "he believed he had a spiritual awakening" or "he claims to have had a spiritual awakening". See what I mean? Whether Jaxon-Bear had a "spiritual awakening" or not is subject to a reasonable doubt. If the wording does not include that reasonable doubt, it's deceptive. --JaGa^talk 18:00, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

David C. Unger

Yes both David Unger as well as David C. Unger are notable and they even know each other. David C. Unger is known like this, but certainly would easier be searchable withouth the "C". Therefore I thought it would be appropriate to create a general disambiguation page reference both "David Unger", but wonder if this is appropriate to do and if so how to procede. Can you help me on this? Pingu (talk) 19:51, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Certainly! They appear to have about the same level of notability, so WP:TWODABS doesn't apply. The only tricky part is getting the best possible qualifier for each title. Here's a suggestion:

• David Unger → David Unger (author)
• David C. Unger → David Unger (journalist)

I'm a little squeamish about these titles since they're so similar, but of course have a hatnote in each article pointing to the other, and we can put more explanation in the disambig. We could go for further qualification, but we need to keep the qualifier as simple as possible per WP:PRECISION. What do you think? --JaGa^talk 22:44, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

JaGa sorry for my late reply but I was absent. Yes your proposal sounds fine. Can you handle this for me? - I'm afraid to get lost Pingu (talk) 13:48, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

 Done --JaGa^talk 16:26, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Pingu (talk) 09:10, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Area51

thanks for letting me know, I just put AFD on that. Spada II ♪♫ (talk) 10:11, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

LUXE City Guides

Hi, sorry if my contribution was considered advertisement. I would still like to post a description, since there is nothing on them. I see descriptions for other travel guides and they include a lot of information. Do you have any tips on how I edit my comments so it's as objective as possible? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abbcc05 (talk • contribs) 08:37, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi! I've restored the article, and moved it into your userspace: User:Abbcc05/LUXE City Guides. That way, you can work on it without other editors trying to delete it before you're finished. You should definitely review Wikipedia:Your first article. My first advice is, make sure you can prove notability before going any further. I'm not certain it would pass, and I'd hate for you to waste your time cleaning up something that will later get deleted. Secondly, if you choose to work on the article, you must remove the WP:ADVERT language. The lede looks like it came straight out of a catalog. You definitely should avoid WP:PEACOCK terms like stylish, astute, and sophisticated. The article should explain what the guide is, and how it works (for instance, the no maps thing), and who it targets - but without florid language, and only if it can be backed up with WP:RS.

Let me know how it goes. Again, double check the notability! Good luck. --JaGa^talk 16:47, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you so much JaGa...it was my very first venture in Wikipedia. Got a lot to learn! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abbcc05 (talk • contribs) 05:30, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Baiyu (singer)

You declined a G12 for this article based on the site being a mirror and being GFDL. I thought I should let you know that your rationale for denying it was only partly correct. While Wikibin is a mirror of Wikipedia, it is only a mirror for deleted articles, and so usually such recreations are G4'able (in this case it was deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sara Baiyu Chen but I didn't G4 it because it has plenty of new sources). That said, in order to retain the content we do need to restore the history from the original deleted article in order to provide attribution for the original contributors of any creative content (I've done that in this case). Finally, should there be a GFDL-licensed which isn't a Wikipedia mirror (and so we couldn't restore history for attribution) it would be G12'able since GFDL has not been a compatible license for importing text since 1 November 2008. You can read Wikipedia:Licensing update for all of the gory details there. Cheers! VernoWhitney (talk) 13:24, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Wow, that is really useful information. I didn't know about the AfD, or the GFDL changes. Thanks much for taking the time to let me know! Cheers, --JaGa^talk 16:14, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

It's not info that you come across (or that matters) very often unless you focus on copyright violations like I do. ^_^ VernoWhitney (talk) 16:17, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Reply re: Bonus list expansion

I completely agree with you about the 2- and 1-link dabs not getting the attention if the list were to expand at this time. When you expanded the list to include the 2-link dabs, I started at the top and worked through until the end of the month. When the new list came out I did the same thing, started at the top. A few months ago I realized that using that method, I'd probably never make it to the 1-link dabs. Now if I end a month in say the 2-link S's, I start the next month in the 2-link S's. One day, I'll make it to the 1-link Z's. Only then will I start at the beginning. All that being said, I would definitly wait until summer to expand the list.--JustAGal (talk) 19:58, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

OK, will do. I was thinking I'd definitely do it in June if not May, but now I've decided I'll wait and see whether I want to do it in June or not. Thanks; I really appreciate getting your perspective. --JaGa^talk 20:16, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Thane

It really is now how it should be, but perhaps a reversion due to inertia is in order...--Metallurgist (talk) 03:48, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Abakan

Thanks for catching this! I am not yet properly awaken to figure out just what the heck is going wrong, but adding the 2010 Census line takes care of the broken template problem. I'll look into the actual cause later today. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 5, 2011; 13:33 (UTC)

My pleasure! I would've fixed it myself if I could have figured it out. Cheers, --JaGa^talk 07:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Please join the conversation at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics#Mathbot has been blocked from editing "List of mathematics articles"

Apparently, I'm being framed as some sort of "lone nut" for thinking that the math lists should not contain disambig links. Please let these folks know that this is not the case. Cheers! bd2412 T 01:23, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. You've certainly got their attention! I've been trying the diplomatic route for a while now and it's gotten me nowhere. --JaGa^talk 09:00, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Replag

This is curious: http://toolserver.org/~russell/cgi-bin/csd.py shows a replication lag (at the moment) of 3 minutes, 21 seconds, but your tools are showing a replication lag of over 21 hours. Why the difference? --R'n'B (call me Russ) 11:00, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm, running on different servers perhaps? I'm actually on the road right now, but will be back in Ohio next week - hopefully I can figure this out. The extreme replag has been worrisome, but I haven't had the time to check it out. --JaGa^talk 04:57, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Dab monthly challenge

I've been plugging away at some dab links this month. I noticed that lately my recent efforts (last couple of days) aren't updating on the dab monthly leaderboard. I'm not in it for the "glory", but it is kinda fun to see one's efforts logged in the monthly challenge. Is there a glitch?--Kubigula (talk) 16:21, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind - seems to have fixed itself.--Kubigula (talk) 18:28, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Hey, sorry I missed your note! It was probably due to replag - that is, the Toolserver keeps a copy of the Wikipedia databases. I run my queries and the dab challenge against this. From time to time, the Toolserver's copy gets out of sync with Wikipedia - and if you look at R'n'B's comment above, it looks like it was almost one day behind. So it probably just needed extra time to catch up with the wiki databases. --JaGa^talk 04:52, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Hans Andre

I noticed that You have deleted Hans Andre, with a ref to Art 7. If You search for him, lets say at Googles, You will have something like 60- 100 hits. Hs is really important today as a modern and an active painter. But also in the past as one of the first international known for his collages. Maybe that should be in the article, it´s a little bit thin ? Regards

Fredrik fredrikredan@gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.233.134.68 (talk) 17:00, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, the article didn't establish significance. If you want, I could restore the article and move it to your userspace so you can work on it without anyone trying to delete it. --JaGa^talk 04:59, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh, but before I could do that you'd have to register an account first. --JaGa^talk 05:00, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Latest activity, List of Rhode island School of Design people

I just wanted to check. Did you move the redlink entries to the talk page To do list? I picked up one on the list recently and worked on it. Doc2234 (talk) 23:37, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

I missed Grear; I added it to the to do list. --JaGa^talk 05:41, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Disam contest question

I have a feeling I know the answer but. :) Faculty is on this month's list. A whole mess of links (900 or so) were just added by moving the Faculty (university) page so it links to Faculty. Now disam fixes to the pages linked to Faculty (university) should count towards the contest total but they are not. Is there a way to fix that? I'm guessing that the move of faculty (university) came after May 1st, so its not being counted. I mean even if its not counted, I'm making the fixes. :) Because the goal for me is always disamming and not winning the contest. But still. Thanks! --User:Woohookitty ^{Disamming fool!} 04:54, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right. I keep a table with all individual article-to-disambig links as of the beginning of the month, and any newer links don't get counted. I can't think of a quick way to add the Faculty (university) links. --JaGa^talk 05:38, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Okey doke. Well I thought I'd ask. --User:Woohookitty ^{Disamming fool!} 09:43, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Help drafting

Hi. Can you help me put together this draft? I want to make sure I get the tone just right. Cheers! bd2412 T 14:44, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

I did a couple of minor edits, and will look at it again soon. Were you planning to put implementation of WP:INTDABLINK as an option? Also, what do you think about seeking a ruling from a third party? The deck's stacked against us when where on their project's turf. --JaGa^talk 18:22, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

That is why the first option is "seek an exemption" and not merely "declare" one. Obviously no project can just decide that a Wikipedia-wide policy affecting other projects won't apply to them. Imagine, for example, if WP:LAW decided that it was exempt from including reliable sources in BLPs, and countered attempts to add them with "it's an excxeption". I want it to be clear that no exception exists until the community discusses and decides this at Wikipedia:Disambiguation. I hadn't thought about WP:INTDABLINK as an option, since that would be the default. I should probably say that also. In that case, they would need to tell their bot to ignore disambig pages when assembling its lists. bd2412 T 18:59, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

I think INTDABLINK is implementable, despite Carl's objections. You know how he mentioned Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics/Current activity as a reason they couldn't do INTDABLINK? Well, I'm fairly certain that's where the SQL in this discussion came from, in which case, I've already shown how to fix (one part of) it, and what's more, it fixes a bug - they have hundreds of non-disambig redirects that Current activity fails to pick up. --JaGa^talk 22:42, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

I think the straw poll is just about ready to launch. Please have one more look over it and I'll move it tomorrow, I think to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Straw poll regarding lists of mathematics articles. bd2412 T 04:23, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Looks good to me. --JaGa^talk 05:45, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Launching in about 15 minutes. Cheers! bd2412 T 18:19, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Another option has been added which merits a response. I can see right now we're going to have to keep a close eye on this process. bd2412 T 23:46, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I meant to suggest that you should weigh in specifically on the #5 proposition added by Carl to "Leave the content of the lists in its present format". I think we should make clear that the status quo is a non-starter. Cheers! bd2412 T 17:48, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

It looks like a consensus is coalescing around option 3a, which is to just move the lists to project space. Oddly, no one has even bothered to oppose that one. If you don't find that proposition objectionable, I'd suggest piling on the bandwagon. Cheers! bd2412 T 21:07, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Daily Herald

Thank you for the advice. I'm not a very regular contributor to Wikipedia, and I appreciate your help. Thank you. --Farpointer (talk) 18:48, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

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Extreme Couponing

I have recreated the Extreme Couponing article; I'd definitely say it's a sub-stub. Being a television series on a commercial cable network makes it inherently notable; I would appreciate the stub not being speedily deleted. Andy Saunders (talk) 17:36, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Don't copy and paste content from the website, and don't write it like an advert, and it may not get deleted. --JaGa^talk 17:41, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

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Purely academic question

Is it possible to run Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser off of a thumbdrive on a public computer? Bard गीता 19:46, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Actually what I am interested in is a script that I can run in the Edit textbox of WMF pages to dewikify, removing redlinks and templates which don't exist at, say, Simple or Wikibooks. At this time, I need to open text editor from hard drive, and the ones at University are lousy versions of MS Office which takes forever to open. I can't even access notepad which I would prefer. The functionality i need is Replace and Find, and obviously I could run a simple text editor from a thumb drive, but I would like to find some Javascript to do it all in one click.

Full disclosure: I lifted two user boxes from you, a record as usually one is the limit for me. Against smoking and interested in Taoism. But for Taoism, my fanaticism on the smoking issue would be my undoing. Bard गीता 20:30, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I think you can. On WP:AWB, it says "AWB is not installed on the PC and runs only as a file: AutoWikiBrowser.exe". So it definitely seems worth a try. --JaGa^talk 21:52, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks I will check this out. I do a lot of inter-wiki work translating and importing and without good scripts i waste a lot of time. Maybe autowikibrowser will open in RAM without downloading, and come to think of it the university does allow us to save to the hard drive so as long as there isn't any malicious code maybe i can download it, use it, and then delete it, or even leave it on the HD.

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two threads please review the RM since (1) you are into Taoism and (2) you recommended RM to me now look what I've gotten myself into. Yikes! There goes another ten hours out of my life arguing about sunyata/nothing.

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Sarasate? Do you play??

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19:24, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Sadly, no. --JaGa^talk 19:28, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Tamil cinema

Hi JaGa. Please find that we are facing a serious tough time here Tamil cinema from an anonymous varying IP user who currently involves in damaging severely to the articles significant & very important information's. Please I do ask you at this time to semi-protect the article for a few weeks at least to re-cover the page & put back to normal. all right then, thanks in advance. cheers ...!!!!! ---- Ungal Vettu Pillai (talk) 09:52, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Report request

Can you generate a report indicating how many disambiguation pages there are by x number of incoming links? For example, how many pages have 3 links, how many have 5, how many have 12, etc., maybe up to 45 (which seems to be the bottom end of recent DPL reports). I am curious as to whether there is any number at which there is a particular pileup. Also, in a tangentially related request, can you generate a list of bonus list links that are on disambiguation pages? Cheers! bd2412 T 02:34, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

P.S. I also wanted to remind you of this option in the ongoing straw poll. It has some support from math project members, so a few more votes (including yours, I hope) and I think it will be the clear consensus choice. Cheers again! bd2412 T 02:34, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

1. Distribution of disambiguation pages by incoming links, updated daily. I went ahead and did 1-100 incoming links. I've been watching this for a few months now; I plot the number of incoming links vs. log(no. of pages with that many incoming links). Nothing surprising; very nice distribution.
2. Disambigs with bonus list links, updated hourly. This took some more doing - logically, easy to set up, but difficult to get acceptable rendering performance. Works well now though, and I must say, there are some irresistibly easy ones there.
3. Regarding the straw poll, I just couldn't vote for 3a. I feel the encyclopedia would be best served if they would (1) implement INTDABLINK, (2) remove those hidden talk page links, and (3) put warning templates on the lists themselves to let editors know their changes will be wasted. You know how poorly those "Index of ..." articles are maintained; the idea of having a bot maintain them is an intriguing one. Compromise was the answer. Get the content germane to project maintenance out of the lists and make them compliant. I was considering submitting a reluctant support, saying what I've just said, but I was worried it would be used against us, so I decided to just stay silent on that one. --JaGa^talk 18:23, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the lists - I see that the distribution from the mid-40s all the way down to the 3s is smooth, with the clumpiness at higher levels and for the 2s being accounted for by the contests. It might be interesting to have a theme contest in the future to see how many 20-link pages, or some other random number within the range, can be knocked off within the month. Some of those are probably easy fixes once identified. Also, thanks for the dab-to-dab list, which will dovetail nicely with my owb obsession with cleaning up those dab-to-dab links.

I respect your reasoning on the straw poll. The result was a consensus to move those pages to project space, which I intend to implement this evening. However, the outcome can still be pointed to as demonstrating a lack of consensus for such a circumstance meriting an exception to WP:INTDABLINK. It may behoove us, in the aftermath of this episode, to initiate a community-wide discussion on treating certain functional aspects of MOSDAB as policy, rather than guidelines, so we have fewer instances of people treating it like the Pirate's Code from a certain Disney movie. By the way, I am curious as to whether those page moves will count as removing the links from the bonus list, in which case I might propose that someone else interested in winning this month's bonus list contest go ahead and make the moves. Cheers! bd2412 T 20:58, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Heh, yeah, someone always brings up the guideline vs. policy status when they're seeking to subvert it. INTDABLINK has been with us for, what, a year now? Maybe it is time to move it into the world of policy. Regarding the contest, I'm not sure if it would be counted as a fix or not - probably not, especially if no redirect were left behind. Regardless, I would say you deserve the points, since you've put a huge amount of work into resolving this issue. Seriously, I'd been working on our inflexible friend Carl for a while before you came along, and was getting absolutely nowhere. I know it's too early to be handing out kudos - this isn't done until those lists are moved and Mathbot is altered - but that was some excellent "get 'er done" work on your part. --JaGa^talk 23:01, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I have now implemented the consensus reached in the straw poll. A few loose ends may come up, but I think this should settle the matter for now. It also sets a nice precedent if another project creates such a set of lists. bd2412 T 02:10, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

I am getting greedy now, and would like a list of all disambiguation links on disambiguation pages. Granted, we already have Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links/Disambiguation pages that link to disambiguation pages, but those lists must be manually updated and have no quick-fix links. Can you create such a list? bd2412 T 18:33, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

No problem! The dabs linking dabs report has been around for a while now. --JaGa^talk 18:54, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks! bd2412 T 19:39, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

You might want to also provide a link to tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/dabfix.py which does a bunch of stuff automatically. — Dispenser 14:58, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

 Done - now people will have a choice. BTW, I was wondering - normally an INTDABLINK is not piped; would it be hard to make that the default in Dabfix? --JaGa^talk 21:21, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Took me a while until I realized to just move it before the link fixing code. I also fixed a pretty bad bug. — Dispenser 12:24, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Great! Thanks - now a great tool is even better. The quality of your work always puts me to shame - but I'm glad for it. Cheers, --JaGa^talk 16:19, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Dab contest report

The list for June is actually the list for May. :) I don't remember if that gets corrected on its own or not. --User:Woohookitty ^{Disamming fool!} 05:19, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank goodness you let me know! I hadn't noticed, but changes to the Toolserver caused the monthly scripts to fail. I just ran them now, everything went fine. The bad news is, any work done before the scripts were run cannot be recorded as fixes. (In a nutshell, the monthly scripts create a list of links that need fixing; over the course of the month, I use that list to determine what has been fixed, and then figure out who did it. Links fixed before the monthly scripts are run don't get recorded as "needing a fix", and subsequently don't get recorded in the monthly contest.) I'm terribly sorry; I know the first day of a new contest is the most busy one, and now the first 6 hours won't get counted. --JaGa^talk 07:10, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Hey not a problem. I'm glad I was a help. :) --User:Woohookitty ^{Disamming fool!} 07:50, 1 June 2011 (UTC)