User talk:J Greb/Archive Feb 2011

Deadpool

Did I do something wrong here? [1] [2] [3] 108.69.80.49 (talk) 03:01, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Just looking for some input. 108.69.80.49 (talk) 19:43, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

You may want to add/revamp your standing ES to add "We don't do comics character appearance lists." or the like. - J Greb (talk) 19:53, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, that's good advice, I'll put that into practice. 108.69.80.49 (talk) 23:38, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox mangaka

Template:Infobox mangaka has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Magioladitis (talk) 18:07, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Composite Superman

Hi,
Why you delete the infobox of Batman from the article Composite Superman?
The infobox works perfectly, it is even in another articles.
Arussom (talk) 04:10, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

The problem isn't that the 'box doesn't work. It's that the article isn't in it, nor is it likely to be added. The idea is that the 'box allows 2 way navigation among the articles it's transcluded to. Putting it on Composite Superman, or the like, only navigates away from the article.

- J Greb (talk) 04:14, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

heads up.

Just a heads up. The Riddler article doesn't show every villain that is in purged on Template:Batman/adversaries. And can mobsters like Carmine Falcone, Sal Maroni and Rupert Thorne join since you did introduce Joe Chill. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 21:21, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Riddler should be fixed.

As for the mobsters... They really are different from either the costumes or Chill. They really aren't IDed as core components of the Batman topic. And before you go there, Chill is that in the same way that the Burgaler is a core component of the topic of Spider-Man. More so since there was enough written about DC's choice to write Chill out of and them back into continuity. - J Greb (talk) 21:50, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

I kind of figured that's why you put him there. I never argued against his inclusion. ;) Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 21:58, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Earth-691

Hello! Why did you remove Amazing Adventures from the Earth-691 template? I would think that series is more worthy of inclusion than the little-known Cyberspace 3000, since it presented the majority of Killraven's appearances. -- Needscurry (talk) 16:06, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

If the content of the article was about a comic that primarily or exclusively ran the Killraven serial, I agree. But "Killraven" ran as part of an antholgy, and only in one interation of the title. - J Greb (talk) 01:55, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Scorpion Yellow

I am not saying, and do not mean to imply, that this user's block is wrong. But I am not clear what he has done to deserve it. This account has not edited. Do you see something that I do not? --Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 22:07, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

L&S it was one of two user pages Sub-Zero Blue "Set up" just befor that sock was blocked. - J Greb (talk) 01:44, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

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Justin Massera

I speedily deleted this article in the mainspace you created about a suspected puppet of a blocked editor. Such concerns should go tp WP:RFCU or WP:ANI rather than being made into a mainspace article. Edison (talk) 21:27, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Sorry: Please disregard. posted this on your talk page by mistake. Must have had open a screen with one of your edits on it at the same time as the article in question. Edison (talk) 20:43, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

The Dark Knight Rises (film)

We have an article for this already, can you please redirect it there. The current redirect's redundant. --FaithLehaneTheVampireSlayer 08:21, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

The Merge

I thought the merge was so obvious, the next admin who looked at it would say "Hey, let me be Bold and fulfill this totally uncontroversial merge". There's four articles right now about two characters (Aqualad, Aqualad (Jackson Hyde), Tempest (DC Comics) and Garth (comics)). Aqualad should be a disambiguation page for both Jackson Hyde and Garth (comics) while Tempest (DC Comics) should redirect to Tempest (comics). The other Tempest, Joshua Clay, is covered in that disambiguation page. Its a pretty obvious merge. Feedback ^☎ 23:00, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

And are you actually looking at the page contents within all of this? Especially in light of what you proposed?

• Aqualad is currently a "Set Index" - and fancy dab page - for the two characters.
• Tempest (DC Comics) functions in the same wat for DC comics characters that have used it as a codename. Hence 3 entries instead of five.
• Aqualad (Jackson Hyde), Garth (comics), and Joshua Clay (which likely should be re-titled "Tempest (Joshua Clay)") are the stand alone articles.

This structure currently works.

However, you shouting to merge Garth (comics) into Aqualad (Jackson Hyde) without explination wouldn't work. And it doesn't jibe with the explination you just proveded.

- J Greb (talk) 23:10, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Your "Fancy dab page" is completely unnecessary. It results in multiple pages having the same information, or in other words, WP:Content forking. Its redundant, and should be avoided at all costs. And because there are only three disambiguated articles in Tempest (DC Comics), they can easily be placed in Tempest (comics). There is no need to have two disambiguation articles when one of them is just a short version of the other. As for Garth and Jackson, they should each have their own articles because they are both different characters, but there is no need for all of their information to be packed tightly into your fancy dab page at Aqualad. Aqualad should redirect to Garth (comics) with a WP:HATNOTEredirecting towards Jackson Hyde (WP:SIMILAR). This is the protocol on Wikipedia. The current organization is redundant. Feedback ^☎ 01:16, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Two things...

First is about the merge. Frankly, this isn't the place to make you case for the merge. If you feel it is warrnted, put up the taggs and make your case on the relavent article talk page.

Second is about the move you just made. Lat I checked "Aqualad" is the most common name used for that character. That means the dabbing is necessary. Before redoing it, please become familiar with WP:CMOS#NAME and WP:NCC.

- J Greb (talk) 22:45, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Sigh... I'm familiar with the guidelines. We only use the format "Codename (identity)" when both characters have the same common name and therefore the same article title and need to be distinguished. Seeing that Garth is under his own name, we must be consistent and keep Jackson Hyde under his own name as well, because unless there is another "Aqualad (identity)" article out there, Jackson's current format isn't justifiable. In other words, it should be "Aqualad (Garth)" and "Aqualad (Jackson Hyde)" or "Garth" and "Jackson Hyde" respectively.

As for the merge, I did tag the articles. You removed the tags. To avoid a ridiculous revert war which I assumed would follow, I decided to write on your talk page instead, however, it seems you are unable to realize that the the excess of disambiguation and repeated information among those articles is a violation of content forking. So yes, I'll repost my tags and have the discussion elsewhere. No need to respond. Thank you, Feedback ^☎ 23:18, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Don't sigh. If the merge you want happens, then you are partially right - an article using "Aqualad" won't exsist for the new character to be dabbed from for the more common term for that character. There is still the redirect and the common term to keep in mind.

And my comment, reminder as it tuns out, was based on AGF that you were doing what you though best for th article but without all the information at hand. And not assume that you are editing to either force your wanted merge or assuming that it has already been done. - J Greb (talk) 01:22, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Assuming good faith by removing the merge tags that are obviously at the very least understandable? It seems as if you weren't paying attention when you removed the tags because at the top of this discussion you assumed I wanted to merge Aqualad (Jackson Hyde) with Garth (comics) when I was trying to merge the latter with Aqualad instead. The only thing I could ask for is to at least have a healthy discussion about it, but you're obviously disinterested. I will add the merge tags again, discuss it with someone else, and hopefully, you won't go and remove the tags for no reason again. 02:50, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

move request

Concerning this revision I feel that's not the right title of the article. It should be titled Firefly (DC Comics) or something per WP:Common name. I am sure you will know what to do. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 22:00, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Actually where it was fits common name - It's the common name used to describe the character and it is the more likely search target... - J Greb (talk) 22:37, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Ok then. As long as the alter ego wasn't the name. That's definitely not the common name. ;) Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 23:24, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Question

Should film series articles be put in table format when there are 10+ films? This question relates to the DC Universe Animated Original Movies article. User:Ganthet2814 seems to think so. A ridiculous edit war (I know, that was wrong) has come to a halt and I'm awaiting dispute resolution at the moment, but if you can also offer your opinion that would be great. The discussion for this is here.-5- (talk) 07:48, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Deathstroke

Wrong! With respect do your research on this one Deathstroke is part of Green Arrow's rogues gallery even to the point of being considered archenemy. I am not sure of the Man-Ape declusion on the Black Panther template either. But this one's way out. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 00:14, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

L&S - The way we've been handling characters in the past, Deathstroke isn't a Green Arrow centric character when compiling a navbox. Has he fought GA? Yes. Is he primarily associated with or created for GA? No. - J Greb (talk) 00:22, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

• Is he primarily associated with GA? = Debatable. I was trying to explain that he is considered to be (and not just by me) but I can tell you are going to reject that notion. Maybe I will source it but not in this late night. Is that rivalry more well known as Deathstroke's s rivalry of the Teen Titans, no of course not.
• Is he created for GA? = Of course not that's a mute point. Kingpin was designed as a Spidey villain yet he's more of a Daredevil villain. Sometimes the author's take a new destination like with what they did with Shade (comics). Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 00:50, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Second point first. Kingpin is a lead pipe example of the exception of a villain created for, and strongly associated with, one hero but also strongly associated with a second one through long use. That's a rarity, one that Deathstroke doesn't rise to.

Most of the "Dearthstroke is a GA-centric character" rests solely on the incident in Identity Crisis and the OLY arc in Green Arrow. That's well below the threshold we should be using here. - J Greb (talk) 01:03, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

• I will suppose I will let this one slide. I suppose Deathstroke being considered a archenemy to Green Arrow just silly. I don't really think Green Arrow has a obvious choice of who that is. But seriously he being considered popularly to be part of his rogues gallery and one of his worst enemy to comic book buffs everywhere isn't reliable, the reason why I am letting that slide. I have only noticed forums and other Wiki's support that so far. But it's good debating over you, never a dull moment. JK Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 01:24, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
  • You do bring something up that I'm generally leery of putting forward first: Including Deathstroke, and possibly other character through out the comics related navboxes in this way is fine at the specialized wikis like the DC Database where the tone is more fan oriented. Right now, Deathstroke in GA's rogues gallery, and possibly those of Batman and the JLA, is a fan level distinction/factiod. - J Greb (talk) 01:37, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Yeah. Kind of what I meant. These can be debatable because there are in the same fictional universe where they can cross over. But sometimes it can be just as debatable to declude somebody than to include. And let's hope the opinion doesn't rest on one point of view. But since a valid point has been made that you have made...I will let it go. Unless there would have been a consensus about it. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 02:08, 27 February 2011 (UTC)