User talk:JWHolland

One Tree Hill

Great, I'll speak to you here in future. Ok, well if you have trouble starting a discussion, I'll help, we can both voice our opinions and if just one person agrees with you, they can be added. Also, it's not up to me regarding Lydia, it's just a double-barrel name is one name. Lydia James is so much better, we can't change the name based on what sounds better :/. What about Whitey, should I change him to "Coach Durham"? It's allowed as I've seen it on the Smallville page. Jayy008 (talk) 18:39, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

That is possible. I will make the changes later as I will have to mess with links to do it. Jayy008 (talk) 18:51, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

That's fine. I never heard her in the series as "Brigard-James" so I guess we can change it for that reason. Jayy008 (talk) 21:13, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

90210

Please voice your opinion on both Jayy008 (talk) 19:03, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your opinion. Gotta wait for consensus on the Emily issue. But I'll change the image soon. Jayy008 (talk) 19:08, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

The Vampire Diaries

A Picture of Matt Davis smoking isn't really an appropriate picture. Also, the same with Ian Somerhalder, I didn't add what looks best. I added what's preferred. When there is appropriate pictures available, they're used. If you look at Smallville, it's a good article as always uses the panel photo's. Jayy008 (talk) 19:33, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

I have brought it up for discussion so you can voice your opinion over at the talk-page. Your opinion is definitely valued, but if you say something like "he looks better." That will not go towards a consensus. Jayy008 (talk) 19:36, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

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Discussion

I've left my opinion. But there's a couple of others who edit that page frequently, so wait for their opinions and we'll see where the consensus is. Jayy008 (talk) 15:56, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Characters

I wouldn't have removed "Lila" if I didn't have a good reason. In season 2, she wasn't credited, so she isn't recurring. Also, which characters on the OTH page do you want to change on commonname? I will change the links that go with it. Jayy008 (talk) 20:47, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't matter, you can't be recurring if you're not credited. Which, she wasn't. Also, I changed Skillz and Mouth back as they need their links changed too. As their commonnames are a matter of opinion, I'm going to bring it up for discussion. Please voice your opinion on to what you think they should be called. Jayy008 (talk) 21:01, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Here's the discussion. Jayy008 (talk) 21:04, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

90210 characters

Good job moving Liam, I didn't notice that. Also, the rules that that it's order they joined the show. However, I don't know if that means as a regular or in general. Ivy was upped to series regular before Teddy, but Teddy appeared in the show earlier than Ivy. So who should be first? Jayy008 (talk) 21:36, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

OK :) Jayy008 (talk) 14:20, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

TVD

Please don't randomly revert my edits. You should read the summary. I removed him because he is not notable. He was in a couple of episodes, he's not a recurring character. Jayy008 (talk) 10:24, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

List of OTH characters

Please stop they are recurring characters. Lydia popped up in seasons 2 and 7. That makes her recurring. I'm going to return the characters who are notable. Jayy008 (talk) 10:49, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Also, Cooper Lee wasn't in a few episodes he was in loads, had a relationship with Rachel Gatina and was involved in a major season three cliffhanger. Peyton's brother is debatable, I have no objection to bringing it up for discussion. Which I'll do now. Jayy008 (talk) 10:56, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

I have brought the Derek Sommers characters up for discussion. I'm not fussed either way it goes, so if you post there to remove it, I won't object, but it must be on the discussion page. Also, the other characters you can bring them up for discussion if you like. But they are recurring. Jayy008 (talk) 11:01, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

The Vampire Diaries

Please don't try and use things I say against me. I was trying to be nice by saying bring it up for discussion as I didn't want to not have people listen to you opinion. A character that's been in a few episodes for one season, isn't recurring. But I will bring it up for discussion now. Jayy008 (talk) 19:10, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

90210

Josh Zuckerman is not a series regular. Please do not add false information to Wikipedia. Jayy008 (talk) 14:34, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh, right. OK. Jayy008 (talk) 15:06, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

I think it matters. I've brought the whole issue up for discussion on the project page anyway. So it has to be left as it was before there was an issue, for now. Jayy008 (talk) 15:13, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

The issue shouldn't take long to resolve. A very experienced user watches that page and should decide. I'm a person fan of Amber Wallace and the character, so I have no objection to it. But she should be in a different section, recurring stars are guest stars, still, just stars for longer in the series. Jayy008 (talk) 15:25, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

I have wanted to do it for ages. Creating pages has never been a strong point of mine, character pages are very hard. I think all of them need shortening. To the "Naomi Clark" length would be great. Teddy and Adrianna's need shortening the most, especially since they have their own pages. Jayy008 (talk) 15:38, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Character inclusion, co-starred.

The reply I got was that it should go by how many episodes they've starred in. Since she was actually credited as a "guest star" in season 3, I don't see a problem with her being there. She hasn't, however, been in enough episodes to be a recurring character. Jayy008 (talk) 19:06, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

"A recurring character is a fictional character, usually in a prime time TV series, who appears from time to time during the series' run." And: "Recurring characters usually start out as guest stars in one episode but continue to show up in future episodes if the storylines or actors are compelling enough." That's for a credited example. When they are not credited like Susan Walters or Amber Wallace. We look to episode count, having an 8 episodes run is on the fence really. I'm going to bring it up for discussion as her particular case is hard to work out. Jayy008 (talk) 13:37, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Are you going to put the information back about Sheila Bennett? Jayy008 (talk) 14:49, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, all of those you said should definitely be moved. Jayy008 (talk) 15:17, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

I know if you had your way you'd list every extra on the show you could, but we can't simply list everyone. Just because he was in more episodes that the other tomb vampires, doesn't mean he should be included. He wasn't a part of any storylines, he simply helped Pearl. Another minor character. Jayy008 (talk) 11:47, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Notability, stop trying to edit war, or you will receive a warning. You tried this before, so I brought it up for discussion as I didn't want to dismiss you viewers and it was decided in my favor. I will not bother trying to help you in future if you refuse to listen to any rules. Jayy008 (talk) 13:53, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

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Recurring

Flash backs still count. Jayy008 (talk) 15:30, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

She didn't appear in an arc, she appeared multiple times for different reasons. "Recurring characters usually start out as guest stars in one episode but continue to show up in future episodes if the storylines or actors are compelling enough." Jayy008 (talk) 15:37, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Mason Lockwood, I moved back. Entertainment Weekly lists him as recurring. He was cast as recurring. Jayy008 (talk) 15:43, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

TVD

I politely request you stop your WP:SOCKPUPPET actions. When there's a disagreement, you always signed out and use your various IP addresses. Jayy008 (talk) 20:31, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Accounts

Please edit from one account only. Signing out and using various IP's when you don't get your own way is bad editing. Also, "improving biography" does no mean expanding it so it's too long, it means wording, spelling and cohesion. Jayy008 (talk) 15:25, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

I sent you a link on one of your multiple accounts. If you stayed one, it would be easier to find. I am not looking for it again. I was in the process of restoring half of your edit as some were correct. Tracy is Naomi's mother and was involved in the main storyline for the first half of season one. Dana Bowen pops up from time-to-time, is a main characters birth mother and isn't dead. Oscar was in around half of season three, he was invovled in a major storyline with two regulars. Charlie is a brother of a main, appeared in multiple episodes and had a storyline with the lead and Ian was invovled in the biggest storyline is season three — the coming out storyline. All the guest stars you listed to me on my page could be moved to recurring, I have no objection. I will, however, not explain myself again as I've explained all of this at least twice before. Jayy008 (talk) 16:08, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

I have moved some of those guest stars to recurring. I've also removed the "Special Guest Stars" section completely as you've put it in dispute. Either way, no such section should exist. Donna Martin and Spence Montgomery I moved to guest stars and Kelly Taylor/Brenda Walsh to recurring. Jayy008 (talk) 16:20, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

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Why have you been moving characters from recurring from minor? Recurring means more than about three or four episodes. So Nadia who appeared in 12 episodes (Also across multiple story arcs) should be considered recurring. As should Celeste on The Originals half of the page as she also appeared in way more than 4 episodes and over different story arcs.--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 10:01, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Also, how did Zach Roerig, Matt Davis and Michael Trevino not portray Gregor, Klaus or whoever it was that Tyler was possessed by that I can't remember? They still acted as those characters... That is like saying that Nina Dobrev did not portray Katherine after she body jumped into Elena. [1]--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 10:10, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

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