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October 2017

There have been two problems with this account: the account has been used for advertising or promotion, which is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia, and your username indicates that the account represents a business or other organisation or group or a web site, which is also against policy, as an account must be for just one person. Because of those problems, the account has been blocked indefinitely from editing.

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Iaa2017 (talk) 15:00, 23 October 2017 (UTC) Hello, I do understand your remarks. Hereby, I am following up with the amended text of the article. Please amend if you find it appropriate: The InterContinental Amstel Amsterdam or the Amstel Hotel is a luxurious hotel in the Netherlands. The hotel is located on the east bank of the Amstel river, at walking distance of the canals, a shopping area and various cultural attractions in the city. In 2007 it was the only hotel in the Netherlands on the list of World's Best Hotels. It was ranked in 90th place.[1] In 2017 the hotel ranks in the top 12 of the best canal hotels in Amsterdam. [2] The Amstel Hotel is part of the InterContinental Hotels chain. In 2014 the hotel was acquired by Katara Hospitality. [3] The Amstel Hotel is owned by the Qatar-based global owner, but it is still managed by the InterContinental Hotels Group. Amenities The InterContinental Amstel Amsterdam is a five-star hotel with modern facilities, 79 rooms, including 24 suites, all with hand-printed wallpaper. The hotel also has a Champagne Suite by Dom Pérignon [4], seven meeting rooms, a health and fitness club, Amstel Brasserie, the famous A Bar and one of Holland’s leading restaurants – La Rive, ranked top five hotel restaurants in Amsterdam. [5] History The InterContinental Amstel Amsterdam was the first example of a Grand Hotel in the Netherlands. Doctor Samuel Sarphati, a physician and city planner, had the idea to create such a hotel, although he died in June 1866 before the hotel opened. The architect of the building was Cornelis Outshoorn (nl), whose design was inspired by the French Renaissance style of the 16th and 17th centuries. Originally the plan was to build the front of the hotel towards the present Sarphatistraat (nl). Due to financial problems, only the wing along the Amstel river was built.[6] The early years of the Amstel Hotel were not very successful, however after 1870 (the Franco-German War) the hotel started to attract special clientele. The reason for their visits was Doctor Johann Georg Mezger, a young physician who ran his surgery from the hotel and a lot of royal and noble people were his clients. Renovation In late September 1992, the Amstel Hotel reopened after a two-year renovation. During this two-year closure, craftsmen, artisans and engineers restored the entire hotel. The former 111 rooms were changed in 55 rooms and 24 suites.[7] In 2017, after 150 years of existence, the hotel will undergo a major year-long restoration of its roof and façade to preserve the original architecture and return to its former historic glory. [8], [9], [10][reply]

[1] "Amstel Hotel In Top 100 Of The World’s Best Hotels 2007". hospitality.net. Retrieved 16 August 2011. [2] http://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/amsterdam-best-luxury-canalside-hotels/index.html [3] http://www.katarahospitality.com/press-office/katara-hospitality-confirms-acquisition-of-five-hotel-properties/ [4] http://amsterdam.intercontinental.com/en/luxury-hotel-amsterdam/videos/100-making-of-dom-perignon-suite [5] http://www.cntraveller.com/recommended/food/amsterdam-best-hotel-restaurants [6] "Amstel Hotel" (in Dutch). bma.amsterdam.nl. Retrieved 16 August 2011. [7] "Hotel Amstel-Intercontinental Amstel Hotel" (in Dutch). charmingamsterdamhotels.nl. Retrieved 16 August 2011. [8] http://www.amsterdam.intercontinental.com/en/150-years/restoration [9] https://nltimes.nl/2017/02/19/restoration-work-begins-historic-amstel-hotel [10] http://www.missethoreca.nl/hotel/artikel/2017/3/anita-bos-over-150-jaar-amstel-hotel-en-plannen-voor-de-toekomst-101262473

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Iaa2017 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • autoblocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I would like to amend my username to fit within your guidelines

Decline reason:

The new name looks fine so I have renamed your account (from User:Amstel Marketing). But you have not followed the rest of the instructions in the block message and have not addressed the problems with your editing. Please make a new unblock request using {{unblock|Your reason here}}, and in your reason:

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Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:46, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Iaa2017 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Hi, thank you for renaming the username.I do understand that I cannot advertise and promote on the wikipedia page. I would like to make necessary amendments which give information on the latest restoration and a bit more details on the history of the hotel. My only intention is to provide true information and do not advertise or promote in any way. I can even remove the cited parts where I have added the InterContinental local website page if neeeded.

Accept reason:

I've unblocked you, with the agreement of the blocking admin. Please read WP:COI and make any appropriate declaration (on your user page would be ideal). And then please don't edit the article directly, but leave it to me and I'll update it based on your suggestions below - probably at the weekend. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 07:33, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's really not the links to the hotel website, it's the blatant marketing speak you used when you rewrote parts of the article. Things like "...one of the most prestigious and luxurious hotels...", "...The hotel is perfectly located...", "...five-star-superior hotel with all luxuries and modern facilities, 79 comfortable rooms, including 24 suites, all with exclusive hand-printed wallpaper...", "...craftsmen, artisans and engineers restored the entire hotel to reveal its incomparable splendor...". Do you understand the problems with prose like that? I know it's the kind of thing that many marketing people seem to think we all speak, but we really don't, and it is not appropriate for an encyclopedia. For you to be unblocked, at a minimum I think you would need to agree not to edit the article directly but to instead suggest changes on its talk page and leave someone else to review them and update the article if appropriate. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:36, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I do understand your comments and I follow up with the below amended text. Please amend if you find this appropriate: The InterContinental Amstel Amsterdam or the Amstel Hotel is a luxurious hotel in the Netherlands. The hotel is located on the east bank of the Amstel river, at walking distance of the canals, a shopping area and various cultural attractions in the city. In 2007 it was the only hotel in the Netherlands on the list of World's Best Hotels. It was ranked in 90th place.[1] In 2017 the hotel ranks in the top 12 of the best canal hotels in Amsterdam. [2] The Amstel Hotel is part of the InterContinental Hotels chain. In 2014 the hotel was acquired by Katara Hospitality. [3] The Amstel Hotel is owned by the Qatar-based global owner, but it is still managed by the InterContinental Hotels Group. Amenities The InterContinental Amstel Amsterdam is a five-star hotel with modern facilities, 79 rooms, including 24 suites, all with hand-printed wallpaper. The hotel also has a Champagne Suite by Dom Pérignon [4], seven meeting rooms, a health and fitness club, Amstel Brasserie, the famous A Bar and one of Holland’s leading restaurants – La Rive, ranked top five hotel restaurants in Amsterdam. [5] History The InterContinental Amstel Amsterdam was the first example of a Grand Hotel in the Netherlands. Doctor Samuel Sarphati, a physician and city planner, had the idea to create such a hotel, although he died in June 1866 before the hotel opened. The architect of the building was Cornelis Outshoorn (nl), whose design was inspired by the French Renaissance style of the 16th and 17th centuries. Originally the plan was to build the front of the hotel towards the present Sarphatistraat (nl). Due to financial problems, only the wing along the Amstel river was built.[6] The early years of the Amstel Hotel were not very successful, however after 1870 (the Franco-German War) the hotel started to attract special clientele. The reason for their visits was Doctor Johann Georg Mezger, a young physician who ran his surgery from the hotel and a lot of royal and noble people were his clients. Renovation In late September 1992, the Amstel Hotel reopened after a two-year renovation. During this two-year closure, craftsmen, artisans and engineers restored the entire hotel. The former 111 rooms were changed in 55 rooms and 24 suites.[7] In 2017, after 150 years of existence, the hotel will undergo a major year-long restoration of its roof and façade to preserve the original architecture and return to its former historic glory. [8], [9], [10]

[1] "Amstel Hotel In Top 100 Of The World’s Best Hotels 2007". hospitality.net. Retrieved 16 August 2011. [2] http://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/amsterdam-best-luxury-canalside-hotels/index.html [3] http://www.katarahospitality.com/press-office/katara-hospitality-confirms-acquisition-of-five-hotel-properties/ [4] http://amsterdam.intercontinental.com/en/luxury-hotel-amsterdam/videos/100-making-of-dom-perignon-suite [5] http://www.cntraveller.com/recommended/food/amsterdam-best-hotel-restaurants [6] "Amstel Hotel" (in Dutch). bma.amsterdam.nl. Retrieved 16 August 2011. [7] "Hotel Amstel-Intercontinental Amstel Hotel" (in Dutch). charmingamsterdamhotels.nl. Retrieved 16 August 2011. [8] http://www.amsterdam.intercontinental.com/en/150-years/restoration [9] https://nltimes.nl/2017/02/19/restoration-work-begins-historic-amstel-hotel [10] http://www.missethoreca.nl/hotel/artikel/2017/3/anita-bos-over-150-jaar-amstel-hotel-en-plannen-voor-de-toekomst-101262473 Iaa2017 (talk) 15:02, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

95.97.7.53 (talk) 07:24, 26 October 2017 (UTC) Thank you! I look forward to your response![reply]

Nope, this version is also advertising. The walking distance to amenities and teh hand printed wallpaper have no value for the hotel. The removal of the section about the Legionella discovery sounds like whitewashing. Plus several other things that are not neutral enough. The Banner talk 08:57, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I intend to use this as a base for updating the article and will omit those points (and probably modify some others). As the editor has made an effort at improving their suggested edits, I thought it might be more productive to illustrate what we need by action - I should get to it at the weekend. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:07, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You can give it a go, but I will look critically. I have just added that their restaurant lost the Michelin star for 2017, something I had forgotten to update. But mr. Iaa2017 wiped the Michelin stars out completely and replaced it by marketing talk. The Banner talk 12:43, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please do, your review of my edits would be much appreciated. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:47, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Dear, @The Banner, I do understand that our restaurant lost a Michelin star in 2016 and you would like to add this, but I would really appreciate if you can add something positive following this - like the fact that La Rive’s team won the 57th ‘’Gouden Koksmuts’’ prize in 2017 (https://www.hanos.nl/nl/nieuws/la-rive-wint-gouden-koksmuts, http://www.missethoreca.nl/restaurant/nieuws/2016/11/deelnemers-gouden-koksmuts-2017-bekend-101251613) and that the restaurant has been nominated for ‘Best Wine Restaurant’ in 2017 (http://www.restaurantawards.nl/). Also even without a Michelin star we are still ranked on 18th place in Lekker Top 100 restaurants in 2017 (https://www.kokswereld.nl/lekker/). I am trying to write an article that is fitting with the guidelines of the Wikipedia and @Zebedee|Boing! is helping me to amend it in the right direction. If the article is not intended for advertising, I think it is important not to anti-advertise the property (the water test in 2004 was more than 13 years ago and since then the hotel has a lot newer facts that we can add for the readers to be informed about).For example the Dylan hotel in Amsterdam's article gives quite positive outlook when reading about the property: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dylan and this is what I am trying to achieve without promoting it but using the most recent facts to back up the article for the Amstel Hotel. I look forward to hearing from you. 95.97.7.53 (talk) 08:54, 30 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, is there an update on the article? Iaa2017 (talk) 14:02, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I'm sorry, but I've had too many other things to do to get round to it yet - but it is on my list of things to do, as soon as I get the time. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:05, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! 95.97.7.53 (talk) 08:36, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, can you please provide me with a time frame when our text will be updated? 95.97.7.53 (talk) 14:36, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I am not sure if you managed to update our text as per our previous discussions. Now our hotel also completed its restoration and we would like to add this information as well. Please see in the following link a bit more info about the restoration and let me know if you need anything else from me to update the article: http://amsterdam.intercontinental.com/en/history/restoration-completed Iaa2017 (talk) 10:31, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It would be nice when you have independent sources about the renovation. The Banner talk 11:07, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, as per your last request, please see the following external websites that provide information on our recent restoration: http://www.vanhoogevest.nl/nieuws/amstelhotel-1 & http://www.burgy.nl/project/amstel-hotel. From our website I can give you the following facts to support the amendments you can make on the Amstel Hotel pages: This was a year-long restoration where we preserved the original architecture & colour palette of the building. This project was sponsored by our owners: Katara Hospitality. During the planning and research of the hotel, 8 lion statues are noticed to be missing from the roof of the building. As part of the restoration plan a replica of those 8 lions was created and all 8 lions are put back on their original places.

Please let me know if you require further information. I would also like to ask when would you be able to make the changes since we have been discussing our article for quite some time now and we would like to inform people that the restoration is already finalised within the scheduled deadline.

I look forward to hearing from you and I am at your disposal if you need anything else.

Kind regards,

Martina Iaa2017 (talk) 12:29, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have updated the article with a more independent source (not the builders/architects). But I like again to point at the fact that it are not your pages (not mine either) but that they belong to an encyclopedia. The Banner talk 15:04, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]