User talk:IJBall/Archive 26
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Mover needed
Could you move Bubbles (character) over the redirect Bubbles (Trailer Park Boys) per WP:NCTV? --Gonnym (talk) 10:09, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
- Give me until later today, please... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:14, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
Also this - List of Hunter × Hunter (2011) episodes to Hunter × Hunter (2011 TV series), thanks!. --Gonnym (talk) 17:25, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
- Ah, this slipped my mind... Should be able to do this, this afternoon... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:26, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
- No worries :) --Gonnym (talk) 17:29, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
And this - Blue Dragon (anime) to Blue Dragon (TV series) (it was a TV series so no issue here). --Gonnym (talk) 17:29, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: Done, Done, and Done!... Note, that in the case of Hunter × Hunter, I think it would be advisable to create a disambiguation page at Hunter × Hunter (disambiguation). Note also that I have made no attempt to try to update all incoming links – just the "obvious" ones – so you may want to use WP:AWB to take a crack at that. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:33, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks! Also this please The Bold and the Beautiful characters (2015) -> List of The Bold and the Beautiful characters (2015). --Gonnym (talk) 06:32, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- Done. Weird that that one had a different naming scheme from the other 3 LoC articles... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:12, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks! Also this please The Bold and the Beautiful characters (2015) -> List of The Bold and the Beautiful characters (2015). --Gonnym (talk) 06:32, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
@Geraldo Perez and MPFitz1968: Article. A lot of people are now saying this puts the nail in the coffin that Descendants 3 is the last in the franchise, but I still say not necessarily. For one thing, like I think you've stated before, IJBall, they could bring in different actors to be new villain kids. Similarly, they can bring in another showrunner. Raven's Home's third season didn't completely stop production because of Boone's death. (It took a break for the cast to grieve, but I'm not counting that in the overall picture.) Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:55, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- Yep, proves absolutely nothing. Anytime they want, Disney can "reboot" the Descendants franchise with a new cast and a new director. Short of Disney saying "We categorically will never make another Descendants film", this franchise is not dead. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:57, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
Lowercase sigmabot III
On your talk page, you have the bot archive threads that have gone 21 days without a response to archives. (How it chooses to archive to an existing archive or create a new one, I'm not sure how that works.) I have an interest on having it on my talk page, but do you know if it can be customized to do things how I do them?
- Anything that is from March in my time zone, it'll archive to User talk:Amaury/2019 on April 1 at 12:00 AM (PT)—which has already passed, I know, but just for example's sake—with a simple heading title of "March"
- Rename the current header on the live talk page to the current month. For example, March 2019 -> April 2019
I imagine I might still have to do some stuff manually—like updating the archive link once a new year hits—but I'm sure some of that customization is possible. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:15, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- I don't think archiving by sigmabot is nearly that "customizable". Lowercase sigmabot III is basically a "dumb bot" that follows some very simple parameters – what's the date since the last archive? how many threads are on the Talk page? how many kB is the archive page? Etc. You can ask at Lowercase sigmabot III's Talk page if it can do what you want it to, but don't be surprised if it can't do it... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:11, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- Tried that. No answer: User talk:Lowercase sigmabot III/Archive HowTo#How customizeable is this? So I'll just go with no. Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:09, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
Kira Kosarin
I was just having a read of WP:MUSIC and I believe Kira Kosarin now qualifies as a notable singer. 1. She's had 3-4 articles written about her music, that I have found. There may be more. 4. There have been mentions of her UK tour in independent sources. 10. She obviously did the theme song for The Thundermans. 11. She recently performed Vinyl at the KCAs in Germany.
What do you think? – DarkGlow (talk) 22:14, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- I still stand by what I've always said – only notable as a singer/musician if they chart somewhere (and Disney stars charting on Radio Disney doesn't count IMO...). You can always start a discussion on the article Talk page to see what the editor consensus on the question is... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:17, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- The criteria I mentioned above is part of WP:MUSIC though, right? Kira certainly passes the notability guidelines, and I’d be happy to make a discography section for the article if need be. – DarkGlow (talk) 22:22, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- That's why I'm saying to take it to the Talk page – see if other editors agree that she meets WP:MUSIC. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:23, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- Added it to the talk page. Doubt I’ll get a big response, or a response at all, but if not, I’ll just be bold. Thanks! – DarkGlow (talk) 22:28, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- That's why I'm saying to take it to the Talk page – see if other editors agree that she meets WP:MUSIC. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:23, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- The criteria I mentioned above is part of WP:MUSIC though, right? Kira certainly passes the notability guidelines, and I’d be happy to make a discography section for the article if need be. – DarkGlow (talk) 22:22, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
@Geraldo Perez and MPFitz1968: I took this article off my watchlist a long time ago for obvious reasons, so I didn't even notice this. Only noticed it after making this revert. However, the move and the reasons given in the supports were incorrect and it's one of those cases where overwhelming consensus should have been and should still be required. Four supports is not overwhelming support. That defeats the whole purpose of series articles covering the entire series. That's why even if casting order of a series changes in the second season, we don't change it since the article covers the entire series. This would be like us renaming Liv and Maddie to Liv and Maddie: Cali Style. It would be wrong since that was just for the fourth season, not the entire series. The series started as Tangled: The Series and it needs to stay as such for the article title since the article covers the first season as well, not just the second season onward. The relevant discussion is at Talk:Rapunzel's Tangled Adventure#Requested move 28 March 2019. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:24, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- I agree with the RM result – if the 3rd season is going to be under the same title as the second season, then it should be moved to the newer title. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:11, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- I see the point, but doesn't that make the first season chopped liver? Again, if we renamed Liv and Maddie to Liv and Maddie: Cali Style or even Kirby Buckets to Kirby Buckets Warped, wouldn't that be like the first three seasons, in the case of the former, and the first two seasons, in the case of the latter, didn't exit? Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:16, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- Nope – for example, the article is at The Hogan Family not at Valerie (TV series), because the former ended up being the "main title" the series went by, despite the show starting out as Valerie. Ditto Ellen (TV series) vs. These Friends of Mine (TV series). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:20, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- I see the point, but doesn't that make the first season chopped liver? Again, if we renamed Liv and Maddie to Liv and Maddie: Cali Style or even Kirby Buckets to Kirby Buckets Warped, wouldn't that be like the first three seasons, in the case of the former, and the first two seasons, in the case of the latter, didn't exit? Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:16, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
I've now reported Toovey there. Please add anything else if you think of anything else. Amaury (talk | contribs) 14:21, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
- I have nothing to add, but this doesn't seem like the kind of activity that will get the attention of AIV... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:31, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
- Blocked. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:17, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
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Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. The thread is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:188.221.14.231 reported by User:Amaury (Result: ). Thank you. Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:19, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
76.69.138.224
If you have a chance, could you check edits by 76.69.138.224 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) who I see you had some interactions with in the past. Table accessibility issues. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:09, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
- I'm never sure if there's one WP:ACCESS IP vandal who operates under different IP addresses, or whether there are multiple WP:ACCESS IP vandals, but either way this look like one of those. Clearly I've already warned them about this, so if they're still doing the same thing a month later, it's time for a final warning, and then a block... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:12, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
Need your help
Could you please fix my screw up? I incorrectly moved Aikatsu! episodes (season 2) to that page instead of Aikatsu! (season 2). Same for Aikatsu! episodes (season 3). Thanks! --Gonnym (talk) 19:02, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
- Done. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:09, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks! --Gonnym (talk) 19:02, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
Do we agree with this? The statement that a source must be a current is definitely wrong, though correct me if I'm wrong. And it doesn't even make sense. Current how? Current as in it must be from the current year or what? (If someone gets married in 2016, we don't need some random source in 2018 to show they are still married. We assume still married unless otherwise noted, such as if a divorce happens in 2019.) Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:09, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
- I'd say the removal falls under WP:GOSSIP, so it's OK with me. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:26, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure what to do with this, but it definitely does not belong in mainspace as there is no confirmed premiere date. (There is a premiere time of October this year from a February press release, but we need an actual date.) It was just created not too long ago today. Additionally, the formatting is messy and multiple things are unsourced. Normal process would be to move it to draft space, but we've already got a draft for this at User:Amaury/sandbox/Los Casagrandes when the spinoff was originally announced. Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:20, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
- Pinging Geraldo Perez – wasn't Geraldo keeping track of this?... But, if there's already a draft, I'd convert back to a redirect, linking to the draft in the edit summary. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:21, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
- Done. Semi-related, I've also removed a bunch of upcoming stuff from the template, as per Geraldo, we should not be including anything until there are standalone articles with confirmed premiere dates. Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:35, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
Kaylee Bryant page
Most if not all the information about her came from Kaylee Bryant herself. I don't understand how that is not a reliable. What information do you need exactly? DAYLEElegacies (talk) 20:50, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
- @DAYLEElegacies: From WP:BASIC:
"People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published[4] secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other,[5] and independent of the subject.[6]" (emphasis mine)
, and"Primary sources may be used to support content in an article, but they do not contribute toward proving the notability of a subject."
- None of what you have tried to add meets these requirements. You seem to be approaching this as a fan – that's the problem right there: Wikipedia is not a fan site. IOW, you need to stop trying to figure out "how to get her an article", and instead determine whether objectively she has gotten enough media coverage to be considered truly "notable". The fact is, Danielle Rose Russell probably barely meets this benchmark; Bryant certainly does not at this time. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:55, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah sorry, i read the response on the [CSD] contest and was just about to say nevermind, but thanks for explaining it to me.DAYLEElegacies (talk) 20:57, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
- One more point – note that Perry Mattfeld, who is actually the lead in the new CW series In the Dark doesn't have an article yet, for similar reasons: she's so "new" that she hasn't gotten much independent coverage yet... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:03, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah sorry, i read the response on the [CSD] contest and was just about to say nevermind, but thanks for explaining it to me.DAYLEElegacies (talk) 20:57, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
Hi,
I've relisted Talk:The Village (2019 TV series)#Requested move 29 March 2019. It might be helpful for the user who closes the discussion if you linked the previous requested move discussions you refer to in your response to Calidum so they can weigh up whether there is indeed a precedent for moves in this situation. If it's a no consensus closure, I would probably advise starting an RFC on WT:NCTV, because, while consensus from previous discussions can be a valid rationale, if some users interpret it as conflicting with an extant guideline, it's probably best to seek clarification on that guideline.
Many thanks,
SITH (talk) 12:26, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
- Done. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:06, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
Disambiguation and you
I've added code to {{Infobox television}} to catch pages with incorrect disambiguation that we might have missed. If you see anything weird or any errors let me know. I've tested it out and didn't get errors, but there is always something that could appear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gonnym (talk • contribs) 16:56, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
- I just took a quick look at Category:Television articles with incorrect naming style, and I don't spot any obvious new entries there. I'll admit – I'm not checking that category nearly as much recently, but I may get back to looking at it more over summer. If I see any weird entries there, I'll let you know... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:22, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: OK, I see one right now: MTV (Australia and New Zealand) is listed under Category:Television articles with incorrect naming style despite already being listed under Category:Television channel articles with incorrect naming style, and I don't see the former category at the bottom of the article – so the Category:Television articles with incorrect naming style listing must be coming from the infobox... Add: Also Lulu (singer) is now inexplicably listed... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:24, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: Other inexplicable listings: Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased) (huh?!), and The Real World: New Orleans (2000 season) and The Real World: San Diego (2004 season), and the latter two should not be listed for sure... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:26, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks, I'll go over them. MTV (Australia and New Zealand) has another infobox on the page, so I need to figure out how to deal with that. The Real World ones are just using an incorrect infobox, so while they indeed don't belong in the category, they should use the correct infobox. Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased) is one I also need to figure out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gonnym (talk • contribs) 17:30, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: Don't forget Lulu (singer) as well... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:32, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
- Regarding Lulu, is there a reason why this isn't split? We never have a TV series article on a person bio page, that makes no sense. --Gonnym (talk) 17:34, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
- I didn't look closely at it. Certainly, if the TV show got enough independent coverage, a split-out would be justified. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:35, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
- There are like 10 different TV series there. I've split out 4 of those with 1 already having an article and removed the infobox. --Gonnym (talk) 18:43, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
- OK, thanks for the comments above. I've now updated the code to catch "season" and place it with "franchise" in Category:Television articles using incorrect infobox. And for Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased) I've created a temp hack until I can think of a better way, as the hack will require a hack for each special case for now. --Gonnym (talk) 19:00, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
- I didn't look closely at it. Certainly, if the TV show got enough independent coverage, a split-out would be justified. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:35, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
- Regarding Lulu, is there a reason why this isn't split? We never have a TV series article on a person bio page, that makes no sense. --Gonnym (talk) 17:34, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: Don't forget Lulu (singer) as well... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:32, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks, I'll go over them. MTV (Australia and New Zealand) has another infobox on the page, so I need to figure out how to deal with that. The Real World ones are just using an incorrect infobox, so while they indeed don't belong in the category, they should use the correct infobox. Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased) is one I also need to figure out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gonnym (talk • contribs) 17:30, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
It got archived too quickly, but you and Gonnym may be interested in this, especially Gonnym who may be able to figure it out as it's an edit he made that seems to be causing the issue. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:24, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
- Could you explain to me how to enable editing in the VE? I couldn't find the checkbox for that. --Gonnym (talk) 19:32, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: Preferences -> Editing -> Editing Mode. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:34, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
- Ok, wow. That's bad. If it is because TemplateData automatically adds "suggested" then I'll remove that part. The space there is nothing really to be done, as that amount of space is the amount needed for the longest parameter name, so all infobox parameters will be aligned. --Gonnym (talk) 19:38, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
- Television, season, episode, reality and fictional character, race, family and vehicle templates now don't have suggested true in them. If one of those templates is still causing any issues, please post on the talk page so it can be fixed faster. --Gonnym (talk) 19:51, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) @Gonnym: Still, the spacing being added never used to be an issue. Also, the longest parameter is theme_music_composer, and even though everything is already aligned, as seen in my tests, it is still adding that spacing. For example, instead of
theme_music_composer =
, it is adding spacing so it'stheme_music_composer =
. (Won't see the difference unless you're editing in source mode.) Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:52, 4 May 2019 (UTC)- Not sure what spacing as the source code shows the exact same code, however, theme_music_composer isn't the longest parameter.
|production_website_title=
is. --Gonnym (talk) 19:54, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
- Not sure what spacing as the source code shows the exact same code, however, theme_music_composer isn't the longest parameter.
- Ok, wow. That's bad. If it is because TemplateData automatically adds "suggested" then I'll remove that part. The space there is nothing really to be done, as that amount of space is the amount needed for the longest parameter name, so all infobox parameters will be aligned. --Gonnym (talk) 19:38, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: Preferences -> Editing -> Editing Mode. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:34, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
WP:NOTHERE IP
97.118.138.69. Likes to say Alaji or whatever it is a lot. Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:59, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- Already blocked once. Give them another "final" WP:UW next time they do something objectionable, and then report to AIV if they do something similar after the final warning. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:01, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
I have a feeling Nickelodeon isn't letting this series die anytime soon, given its recent second extension for the current season. Its fifth season now has 40 episodes—basically two seasons in one—and while Jace has indicated this is probably the last season, I wouldn't put it past Nickelodeon to renew it for a sixth production season, which would of course break records as the current record is five from iCarly. Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:22, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- If the current cast, esp. Norman, is only contracted for 5 seasons, there's not much Nick can do if they can't resign the cast. My guess is that the teen cast members will want to move on with their careers, and that this season will be the last... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:44, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
We may be needed there if this user continues this. I will file a report if they do it one more time. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:08, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- And for more fun, see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Geraldo_Perez reported by User:Rorysolomon (Result: ). Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:35, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
What is wrong with this sentence?
"a network doesn't have to announce a cancellation for there to be a cancellation." Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:38, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
- While in the real world that can definitely be true, in Wikipedia terms that's not an acceptable sentiment, as we're not allowed to speculate. Also, their claim that Bunk'd was "cancelled" and then "uncancelled" is completely without any sort of proof – it's a purely unprovable assertion. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:56, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
- Additionally, if a series ends after three seasons on Disney Channel, it is not canceled, just ended since actors are contracted for three seasons. Anything more is considered a bonus, such as Liv and Maddie. Amaury (talk | contribs) 05:02, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
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Production codes for Disney Channel series on The Futon Critic
@Geraldo Perez and MPFitz1968: The Futon Critic has done something weird with production codes for Disney Channel series, and it's even more screwed up for series with more than one season. For example, Andi Mack. Amaury (talk | contribs) 00:37, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
Game Shakers, Cousins for Life, and Knight Squad
Are you caught up with Game Shakers? (Actually, I guess being caught up doesn't necessarily matter.) I am so behind with it, as well as Cousins for Life and the season finale of Knight Squad. Can you verify the guest stars for all the April premieres and May 4's premiere of Game Shakers and Cousins for Life, as well as the season finale of Knight Squad if you're able? Thanks! Add: And the director and writers as well. I actually did watch the April 6 premieres, but never got around to adding the guest stars. Everything else I have not seen at all. Amaury (talk | contribs) 14:07, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
- Cousins for Life – not watching this one at all (though, annoyingly, it's showing up more and more on TeenNick...)
- Game Shakers – mostly, but not completely, caught up: I think there's 2 or 3 of the recent episodes I haven't seen yet. FWIW, I mostly don't care for any of the season #3 episodes (they've almost completely "forgotten" the "game company" premise by this point...), though I liked "Snackpot!" from the first batch, and I liked the recent "Demolition Dollhouse" episode... In general, I find that most Nick and Disney shows follow a similar trajectory where by the time they get to season #3 they've run out of ideas and aren't any good anymore...
- Knight Squad – not at all, and likely won't be until they start running the show on TeenNick (for some reason, Nick has been resistant to running this one on TeenNick; but, to be fair, Nick also resisted showing either The Thundermans or Henry Danger on TeenNick for years, only recently running these two on TeenNick in significant amounts...). I did record the "finale" of this, but I haven't watch it yet – I have too many other "fish to fry" right now.
- So that's where I am... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:42, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oh, in terms of verifying cast/crew – I won't have time to do this for about 2 more weeks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:44, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
- Point now moot. For Nickelodeon, I am all caught with everything except for the last few episodes of Power Rangers: Beast Morphers. Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:50, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
The perfect broadcast schedule for Nickelodeon and Disney Channel
Not in terms of what they air, but when they premiere stuff and such. For example, they should follow more what broadcast networks do, for the most part, with announced series/season premieres and season/series finales.
- All seasons should be at least 20 episodes for live-action and 26 episodes for animation by default on Nickelodeon and 22 episodes for live-action by default on Disney Channel. More can of course always be added, which means adjustments would need to be done, such as doubling up on episodes. For the examples below, however, it will be based on the aforementioned numbers.
- Seasons start second week of September and end in early or mid-August. Nickelodeon will be an exception for the reasons which will be made clear in the example below.
- Animation's segments will always be aired together.
- 2019–20 will be used for the example.
Nickelodeon Prime Time Live-Action
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In this hypothetical example, September–February will be used for The Thundermans and Henry Danger, while March–August will be used for Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn and Game Shakers. Premieres at 8:00 and 8:30 PM. If there is an hour special for the first series in the lineup, then of course it will just bump the start time for the second series in the lineup back by 30 minutes. In this case, 9:00 PM. Cycle 1: The Thundermans and Henry Danger
Cycle 2: Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn and Game Shakers
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Nickelodeon Animation
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Weekday premieres generally once a month at 5:00 PM. Cycle 1: SpongeBob SquarePants
Cycle 2: The Loud House
Cycle 3: Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
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Disney Channel Live-Action
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Four premieres on Fridays (Jessie, Girl Meets World, Bunk'd, and Stuck in the Middle) and four premieres on Sunday (Austin & Ally, Liv and Maddie, K.C. Undercover, and Best Friends Whenever), 8:00–10:00 PM. Fridays: Jessie, Girl Meets World, Bunk'd, and Stuck in the Middle
Sundays: Austin & Ally, Liv and Maddie, K.C. Undercover, and Best Friends Whenever
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I was just bored. Amaury (talk | contribs) 05:00, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
I've seen a couple of recent IP edits, which extended the plot beyond the MOS:FILMPLOT length recommendation (700 words) and really don't improve it. Their intent is putting more description of the four children of villainous parents from the Isle of the Lost who get to live in Auradon (Carlos, Jay, Evie, Mal) within the plot, and wikilinking the character names in the cast section. The IP I just reverted also isn't paying attention to grammar in putting in the descriptions, as the characters were in just a simple list following a colon, and they put intervening complete sentences between the names. At this point, a few more eyes on the article could be helpful (pinging Amaury and Geraldo Perez as well). Looks to be too early to ask for semiprotection, even though I've noted two different IP addresses at this point. MPFitz1968 (talk) 13:52, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
@Geraldo Perez and MPFitz1968: Going to need extra attention here. Surprisingly, it has nothing to do with people adding unsourced series finale dates, but rather a returning user who is insistent on Slobwick being notable and ignoring the talk page discussion on the matter. Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:42, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- How many episodes was the puppet in? Because I'm having a hard time ignoring Rtkat3's point on the Talk page – if the puppet was in, say, 6 or more episodes, and its puppeteer and voice actor were credited, it's hard to argue against including it, even if it's not a "major" character like Dr. Colosso was on The Thundermans... But I haven't seen the episodes with this "character" yet, so I can't fully gauge the situation. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:45, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- It's hard to say. IMDb is no help here as it only lists "Take Me Home to Knight" for Slobwick, and I know they've definitely appeared in more than one episode. And the Wikia doesn't list their appearances. Interestingly enough, not even the Wikia lists them as a recurring character or in any of the character sections. I don't mind if consensus changes, but for now, consensus is not to include them. My personal opinion is still that a puppet that just makes babbling noises is not notable. Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:50, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- I'd say it's significant if the Wikia is ignoring it. And I would advocate leaving it out unless it's in multiple episodes (like 5 or 6). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:51, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Okay, looking at the individual episode pages on the Wikia, this is what I see for Slobwick:
- A Thief in the Knight
- Take Me Home to Knight
- A Total Knightmare
- Little Knight Lies
- End of the Knight – Part 1
- End of the Knight – Part 2
- A Knight to Remember
- Love at First Knight
- Mid-Knight in the Garden of Good and Evil
- The Knight Stuff
- Knight of the Living Dead
- Knight Glider
- Election Knight
- Closing Knight
- Okay, looking at the individual episode pages on the Wikia, this is what I see for Slobwick:
- I'd say it's significant if the Wikia is ignoring it. And I would advocate leaving it out unless it's in multiple episodes (like 5 or 6). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:51, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- It's hard to say. IMDb is no help here as it only lists "Take Me Home to Knight" for Slobwick, and I know they've definitely appeared in more than one episode. And the Wikia doesn't list their appearances. Interestingly enough, not even the Wikia lists them as a recurring character or in any of the character sections. I don't mind if consensus changes, but for now, consensus is not to include them. My personal opinion is still that a puppet that just makes babbling noises is not notable. Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:50, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Still, I think the fact that the Wikia doesn't list them in the general character section significant, as you said. Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:04, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- I'd say if it's in 14 episodes, and is credited for at least 1/3 of those, it probably warrants being included... But possibly not in the list, but below the list. (We did that in another article, but I can't remember which one...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:07, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Horse Face Guy on Bizaardvark. That would be fine by me since Todd Tucker only receives a featuring voice credit, which is lower than even co-star. Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:09, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- I'd advise doing that, then, citing this discussion in the edit summary. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:10, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- How should we word it? Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:11, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- I'll leave that up to you, but the Horse Face Guy thing probably gives a clue on how to word it... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:12, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Feel free to copy-edit: [1] Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:19, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- I'll leave that up to you, but the Horse Face Guy thing probably gives a clue on how to word it... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:12, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- How should we word it? Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:11, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- I'd advise doing that, then, citing this discussion in the edit summary. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:10, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Horse Face Guy on Bizaardvark. That would be fine by me since Todd Tucker only receives a featuring voice credit, which is lower than even co-star. Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:09, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- I'd say if it's in 14 episodes, and is credited for at least 1/3 of those, it probably warrants being included... But possibly not in the list, but below the list. (We did that in another article, but I can't remember which one...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:07, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Still, I think the fact that the Wikia doesn't list them in the general character section significant, as you said. Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:04, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
edit warring
Just making you aware that this personal attack and solicitation to another editor to aid you in your edit warring on a Wikipedia guideline page has not gone unnoticed. -- Netoholic @ 15:23, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Sure thing, sport! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:33, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
Hi IJBall, Can you move that to Draft? Filming had not began yet. I can't move it as I am not page mover. Or somehow merge with the Draft:Stumptown (TV series) that I have started? I wasn't even aware there was an article for it. — YoungForever(talk) 00:22, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- @YoungForever: It looks like the Mainspace article actually has precedence over your draft (by just an hour, though!). If yours had been written days ago, I would have switched in your Draft into mainspace, but in this case it doesn't look like that is justified... I would argue that your draft should be merged into the mainspace article, and then converted to a redirect. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:40, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- Can you merge it? I am not sure how to merge it. — YoungForever(talk) 00:46, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- @YoungForever: You just look for content in your draft that's not in the mainspace article (if any), and cut and paste it over. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:10, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- I thought you have to merge from one page to another with a template or something. — YoungForever(talk) 01:32, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- @YoungForever: Basically, nope – merging in this case, because it involves a draft, isn't complicated – the template stuff is when you merge content from long-standing articles. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:34, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- How do I convert to Redirect? — YoungForever(talk) 01:41, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- @YoungForever: Wikipedia:Redirect#How to make a redirect – while in 'Edit' mode, replace the entire contents of the draft with
#REDIRECT [[Stumptown (TV series)]]
. I'd also add {{R from drafts}} in this case. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:45, 15 May 2019 (UTC)- Thanks. I think I fixed it. — YoungForever(talk) 02:00, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- @YoungForever: Wikipedia:Redirect#How to make a redirect – while in 'Edit' mode, replace the entire contents of the draft with
- How do I convert to Redirect? — YoungForever(talk) 01:41, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- @YoungForever: Basically, nope – merging in this case, because it involves a draft, isn't complicated – the template stuff is when you merge content from long-standing articles. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:34, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- I thought you have to merge from one page to another with a template or something. — YoungForever(talk) 01:32, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- @YoungForever: You just look for content in your draft that's not in the mainspace article (if any), and cut and paste it over. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:10, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- Can you merge it? I am not sure how to merge it. — YoungForever(talk) 00:46, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
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@Geraldo Perez and MPFitz1968: Having problems with someone removing the redirect, as she still does not pass anything. Amaury (talk | contribs) 14:21, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah, considering Draft:Olivia Rodrigo was recently rejected by WP:AfC, and Rodrigo has a far more substantial resume than Cicchino (see Draft:Cree Cicchino), Cicchino definitely doesn't merit an article at this time. Please contact me if this persists, and you get close to WP:3RR – I will gladly restore the redirect... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:54, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Amaury: I also left a message at the editor's talk page. Feel free to add anything to my message, if you like. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:00, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Amaury: You've given this editor a final warning – next time they do anything questionable, please report them to WP:AIV. But making up fraudulent episodes, after engaging in clearly disruptive behavior, shows that they're clearly WP:NOTHERE... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:09, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- [2] Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:11, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- OK, I've piled on to your report there... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:14, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Amaury: Note also that MPFitz1968 has been tangling with IPv6 editor 2001:569:7853:D800:5C82/... who's been adding the same kind of fraudulent content. It's probably not a coincidence, and could be User:Ionel05 (who just got indef'ed) editing while logged out. We'll need to keep an eye out for this... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- See here. Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:32, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- Wow. So this is all Simulation12? (SPI case) Pathetic... (I'm wondering if it's time to put a page together for this, a la Orchomen...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:37, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- FYI, that first IP claiming to be Vic Hawk, which I filed an SPI for, actually wasn't Orchomen, I don't think, trying to get another editor blocked. The IP doesn't geolocate to the UAE. Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:40, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Amaury: I've passed this along to WP:SPI – Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Simulation12. Feel free to add any comments there, esp. re: any other accounts you suspect. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:44, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- And courtesy ping for MPFitz1968. Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:47, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Amaury: I've passed this along to WP:SPI – Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Simulation12. Feel free to add any comments there, esp. re: any other accounts you suspect. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:44, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- FYI, that first IP claiming to be Vic Hawk, which I filed an SPI for, actually wasn't Orchomen, I don't think, trying to get another editor blocked. The IP doesn't geolocate to the UAE. Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:40, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- Wow. So this is all Simulation12? (SPI case) Pathetic... (I'm wondering if it's time to put a page together for this, a la Orchomen...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:37, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- See here. Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:32, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- [2] Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:11, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Amaury: You've given this editor a final warning – next time they do anything questionable, please report them to WP:AIV. But making up fraudulent episodes, after engaging in clearly disruptive behavior, shows that they're clearly WP:NOTHERE... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:09, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
American shows in production
About List of American television shows currently in production, we need a version that represents consensus among editors. 114.76.94.14 (talk) 05:24, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- Only shows that have been confirmed to have ended or been cancelled should be removed from the list (after the last episode has aired). That generally means a reliable source reporting it, or a network press release or something similar. If a show is not confirmed to have ended – i.e. if you can't point to a WP:RS that reports that – then it actually shouldn't be removed from the list until one year after the last original episode has aired, as per standard WP:TV practice. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 05:30, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
This is (past) ready for mainspace. The only roadblock now is how do we want to proceed in terms of naming it? See User talk:Geraldo Perez/Archive 19#The Substitute. Courtesy ping for Geraldo Perez, who's already provided his thoughts on the matter. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:23, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- I'm still uncomfortable with the idea that a show that has received almost no WP:RS coverage merits an article. If somebody (substantial) writes an article profiling this show, then I think it meets the nobability guidelines. But, right now, all there really is one Deadline article, which establishes that the show exists, but not necessarily that it's notable... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:06, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- Seems like this program is going further than The After Party as I remember seeing somewhere—I think from Nickandmore!—that it will have 20 episodes. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:49, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
No idea what this is about. Revert? Amaury (talk | contribs) 00:08, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
- Nope – best to leave this to the experts on such things... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:09, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
- Their reasoning sure is dumb. The images aren't supposed to be original, they're supposed to be series' official logos. Amaury (talk | contribs) 02:52, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
- Then you may want to comment at the deletion discussion... But the rules for (keeping) images on Commons are baroque and I'm in no way interested in trying to figure out the details... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:18, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
- It can always be re-uploaded through Wikipedia itself should it be deleted there, but I doubt it will. In other news, in terms of dumb things on Wikipedia itself, see here. Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:58, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
- Then you may want to comment at the deletion discussion... But the rules for (keeping) images on Commons are baroque and I'm in no way interested in trying to figure out the details... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:18, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
- Their reasoning sure is dumb. The images aren't supposed to be original, they're supposed to be series' official logos. Amaury (talk | contribs) 02:52, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Madelaine Petsch’s Film Polaroid
Hello! I have just finished watching Polaroid where Madelaine Petsch is credited as “Sarah” rather than “Joanne Flame”. She is also credited on IMDb as Sarah, so please keep the role on her filmography as Sarah instead of TBA! Thank you! IVictorious101 (talk) 00:56, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
- @IVictorious101: How did you see this? Looking at the film's article, it does not appear the film has gone into wide release yet. If you saw that off a pirated copy, we cannot use information obtained there. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:58, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
- I viewed the film during my stay in Germany, as it has been given an online release. The film has not been given a U.S. release date because of the Weinstein dispute. It has also been released in several other territories. IVictorious101 (talk) 01:17, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
- I would suggest updating the Polaroid (film) article to reflect all of this then. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:29, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
- I viewed the film during my stay in Germany, as it has been given an online release. The film has not been given a U.S. release date because of the Weinstein dispute. It has also been released in several other territories. IVictorious101 (talk) 01:17, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
I will as soon as I have the time. Thank you! IVictorious101 (talk) 01:52, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
More cast announced, though, while the article lists their characters, it's not exactly clear who Joza, Kinney, and Martin are portraying, so I've left their characters out for now. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:43, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
Kira Kosarin discography
I have no idea why you've removed the discography I made from Kira Kosarin. Discographies don't typically need sources, unless new content is added. In this case, all of those songs have been proven to be singles just from looking at iTunes, Spotify, etc. And in regards to it violating WP:ACCESS, that's how a discography is meant to be laid out. It's laid out in the exact same way as any other discography, but I only see KK's being removed? – DarkGlow (talk) 07:59, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
- @DarkGlow: Clearly an WP:OSE argument. Just because it's that way at other discographies doesn't mean it's being done correctly (and those likely in violation of WP:ACCESS as well). MPFitz1968 (talk) 08:25, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
- @MPFitz1968: According to your logic, that means every discography table I’ve ever seen on Wikipedia is wrong. Huh. – DarkGlow (talk) 13:01, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
- @DarkGlow: Yes, that is correct – virtually every WP:DISCOGRAPHY table currently on Wikipedia is wrong, as they all flagrantly violate WP:ACCESS. That's why I recently added the "alternative version" table at WP:DISCOGSTYLE, so there's at least one example that better follows WP:ACCESS (though even the "alternative" version doesn't fully follow WP:ACCESS, due to the use of 'rowspan' in the last 'Album' column). And, what's worse, when several members of WP:DISCOGRAPHY were made aware of this issue by other editors, they refused to update WP:DISCOGSTYLE on a WP:IDONTLIKE it and a "we've always done it this way" basis. But, yes, these edits by Gonnym fix the tables in WP:ACCESS terms. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:03, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
- @MPFitz1968: According to your logic, that means every discography table I’ve ever seen on Wikipedia is wrong. Huh. – DarkGlow (talk) 13:01, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
Copyright Office and Disney Channel
I'm surprised it still has nothing for Coop & Cami Ask the World, Sydney to the Max, and Fast Layne. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:15, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
- They sometimes take a while to show up. And, for some shows, they actually never do show up... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:19, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
Discussion at Talk:Elena of Avalor#Include only main characters
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Elena of Avalor#Include only main characters. @MPFitz1968 and Geraldo Perez: Similar to The Loud House. Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:49, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
This time it wasn't removed by that one editor, but do we agree it's no longer a stub? Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:23, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
- It's close enough that I'm not going to revert this time, yeah. But one of us needs to change the 'class' to 'Start' on the Talk page... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:57, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
A Move Request from Draft:David Makes Man to David Makes Man
Hi IJBall, Can you move Draft:David Makes Man to David Makes Man without leaving redirect? The Draft was created months before the David Makes Man article was even created. — YoungForever(talk) 23:19, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
- @YoungForever: Done. However, please check this version of the later article (now in Draftspace) to see if there is any content and/or references that should be merged into your version of the article (I advise citing the (new) Draft in any edit summaries when doing so) – it looks to me like there is some content in the "current" Draft version that's not in your version... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:41, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you, IJBall. Will do. — YoungForever(talk) 23:43, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
@Geraldo Perez and MPFitz1968: I will probably need more eyes on the former and extra attention on the latter. I just reverted a totally inappropriate move as the Ruby Rose Turner article is nowhere near ready for mainspace, even putting aside that she does not meet WP:BASIC and WP:NACTOR. Amaury (talk | contribs) 14:20, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
- I'm going to watch the Draft now... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:22, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
Filmography tables
Hello there! You recently reverted an edit I made to the page Wikipedia:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers, with the explanation being that one of the tables I added violates WP:ACCESS because of improper rowspan use. Could you please elaborate? I wasn't able to discern the problem from looking over the WP:ACCESS guideline. Is it considered improper because there are too many rows in the table? I based the tables on content which can be found in the list article Quentin Tarantino filmography, which is a featured list. I think we should have some example present of a filmography table with the green and red colour coding, as many filmographies on Wikipedia follow that format. –Matthew - (talk) 14:37, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
- @MatthewHoobin: Quite simply, this:
Title Year Director Writer Producer Notes Ref(s) Pulp Fiction 1994 Yes Yes No Natural Born Killers No Story No
- ...and this...
Title Year Role Notes Ref(s) Eddie Presley 1992 Asylum attendant Cameo [18] Reservoir Dogs Mr. Brown [40]
- ...are no good, in WP:ACCESS terms, because the 'Year' column, which goes second, uses 'rowspan' which violates WP:ACCESS (under WP:ACCESS, 'rowspan' should not be used in the middle of tables like this). My guess is that the tables at Quentin Tarantino filmography were at one point compliant, but we have numerous esp. IP editors who aggressively and flagrantly violate WP:ACCESS with unnecessary 'rowspan' use (for reasons that I can only guess are basically vandalistic...). But, right now, Quentin Tarantino filmography is not in compliance with WP:ACCESS, and I would support delisting it as a WP:FL if that issue is not addressed.
- In general, though, tables like these, and similar ones under WP:DISCOGRAPHY, show why 'title first, year second'-formatted tables are generally a bad idea, and should be deprecated in favor of 'year first, title second'-format tables which are a lot less likely to a problem in WP:ACCESS terms. So, I'd actually oppose your additions to WP:FILMOGRAPHY anyway on that basis – we shouldn't be promoting 'title first, year second'-formatted tables for exactly this reason. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:48, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oh, okay. So, if I understand correctly, would that make the following formatting acceptable?
Year Title Director Writer Producer Notes Ref(s) 1994 Pulp Fiction Yes Yes No 1994 Natural Born Killers No Story No
Year Title Role Notes Ref(s) 1992 Eddie Presley Asylum attendant Cameo [18] 1992 Reservoir Dogs Mr. Brown [40]
- @MatthewHoobin: Actually, even this would be OK:
Year Title Director Writer Producer Notes Ref(s) 1994 Pulp Fiction Yes Yes No Natural Born Killers No Story No
Year Title Role Notes Ref(s) 1992 Eddie Presley Asylum attendant Cameo [18] Reservoir Dogs Mr. Brown [40]
- But, yeah – 'year first, title second'-format will always be safer. While I might argue the use of rowspan I just did is "unnecessary" in these two tables, at least it's still "compliant" in WP:ACCESS terms... So simply switching the column order at Quentin Tarantino filmography would "fix" the WP:ACCESS violation. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:02, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
TV section order
In what order would you place the "Critical response" and "Ratings" sections? The Arrow section articles are half doing it one way and half the other and I wasn't sure from the guideline the correct order. --Gonnym (talk) 11:13, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
- Critical -> Ratings. And they can be placed under a Reception section. See this for an example. Amaury (talk | contribs) 13:37, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: What Amaury said. Generally, three "subsections" can be put under 'Reception' as per MOS:TV: 'Critical [reception]', 'Ratings', and 'Awards & Nominations', and they usually are placed in the order I just listed... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:52, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
- Do you have any FA articles I can check as I'm seeing GA articles doing it the other way (Agents of Shield seasons). Side note, have you guys seen the Lost season articles? How on earth are they FA when they invent their own MoS style there? --Gonnym (talk) 15:12, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: House (TV series) is the only one I could find... But this is why I don't trust WP:GAs and WP:FAs – often, there is nobody from the requisite WikiProject "QA-checking" the process to make sure it follows the relevant WP MOS properly. I mean, why is Degrassi: The Next Generation in the order of: Ratings -> Awards -> Critical?! Answer: It shouldn't be! (In fact, I'm going to go fix that right now!...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:18, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
- Do you have any FA articles I can check as I'm seeing GA articles doing it the other way (Agents of Shield seasons). Side note, have you guys seen the Lost season articles? How on earth are they FA when they invent their own MoS style there? --Gonnym (talk) 15:12, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
Hey
Send an email to my Gmail. I accidentally deleted you while cleaning things up a while ago, and I don't have any emails to or from you to use, so it's not bringing you up when trying to compose. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:33, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
- Done (I think...). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:13, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
Mohammed(34567)$
Probably time to report this user. The question is: WP:ANI or WP:AIAV. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:06, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
- I'd say one more edit like the one at Descendants 3, and yeah, they should be reported. I'd try WP:AIV, but I wouldn't surprised if they ignore it, as they don't always deal with WP:DE editors over there... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:07, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
- And there we go. Do you want the honors of reverting and/or reporting? Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:10, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
- I'll revert, you report. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:12, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
- Done: [3] Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:15, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
- I'll revert, you report. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:12, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
- And there we go. Do you want the honors of reverting and/or reporting? Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:10, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
User has not been blocked. And they continued their disruption at Descendants 3 last night, which I reverted, and they subsequently went to my user page and altered it [4]. I mentioned that, as well as the latest disruption, to the admin who placed a warning on their talk page, and they have one last chance. MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:45, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
- Basically, Admin EdJohnston looks to be aware of the situation. I would say if Mohammed(34567)$ does even one more questionable thing, we should let EdJohnston know that it's time for a block. But this editor does not seem to be learning from their mistakes, and seems to be ignoring WP:Communication is required... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:52, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
All That
User:Amaury/sandbox/All That (2019 TV series). Amaury (talk | contribs) 00:50, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
- You may want to keep this for your own use – I'm guessing we're not going to get consensus to create this article. (The alternative would be to try a WP:RM to see if there's consensus try to move All That (season 11) to All That (2019 TV series)...). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:40, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
- These editors and their WP:OWN or fan bias... Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:43, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
2019–present
Hello! I just saw that on Sofia Carson, you removed someone adding "2019–present"; I’m having the same problem with an IP editor on Rylan Clark-Neal. They claimed "2019" implies it's a one off, which is obviously complete rubbish, as 2019 just infers it's currently happening. Is there some form of a Wikipedia essay on why this is wrong? (eg something like WP:MUSIC, REFBOMB etc. Thank you! – DarkGlow (talk) 19:08, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
- @DarkGlow: Basically, it's MOS:DATERANGE. But it's common sense – if it's "2019", there's nothing to "daterange" to (i.e. "2019" = the "present"): it would only become "2019–present" when new episodes start to air, in 2020!! (OTOH, "May 1, 2019 – present" would be correct, in those contexts where the "full" date is listed...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:11, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
- You're right, it's common sense. I'm not sure why people are so obsessed with adding present where it's so unnecessary, but I've requested protection for the page. – DarkGlow (talk) 19:13, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
- Basically, the "obsession" is in trying to show that the TV series in question is "ongoing" (i.e. not cancelled). But that information is readily available simply by clicking on the TV show article link(s) – it's not necessary for that information be "broadcast" at the actor articles, esp. not in a way that is contrary to MOS:DATERANGE. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:16, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Only time "present" is okay is in infoboxes. For example, Bless This Mess (TV series): "April 16, 2019 – present" (Although in my personal opinion, I still believe it would be better if we just had the first aired date and that's it. Once a series ends, there should be a separate last aired display with that date.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amaury (talk • contribs) 19:19, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
- You're right, it's common sense. I'm not sure why people are so obsessed with adding present where it's so unnecessary, but I've requested protection for the page. – DarkGlow (talk) 19:13, 2 June 2019 (UTC)