User talk:Howard the Duck/Archive8

Philippine general election, 2007

This are the guidelines given by the COMELEC because i work at the tallying of the ABS-CBN Official COMELEC Guidelines for the election results: 1.Media Quick counts will be posted tomorrow because they will be done around 3pm. 2.NAMFREL and PPCRV Quick counts will be posted on Friday. 3.COMELEC Tallying shall continue and will be posted when announced. 4.Exit polls will be announced tomorrow 8am for the NCR and the 6pm for the total Philippines - rizalninoynapoleon 21:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We need a lot of support for quick counts because they change so i am proposing that we stop editing until 3pm when the media quickcounts unless they change the time to end their quick counts.

Also NAMFREL and the PPCRV quick counts are the same thing so i suggest that we fused both of them. -- rizalninoynapoleon 01:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Logo licensing

Did you ever get an answer to your question about licensing of user-created derivative logos? They're appearing in quite different venues now, and I would really like to sort out this issue. –Unint 06:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I dunno if I even asked at the right place, hehehe. --Howard the Duck 15:08, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Virginia Tech Massacre

There was a massacre at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Virginia in the United States]. 32 are dead including the gunman. Please pray for their families. I ask the people who will receive this message pray and pause for a moment — rizalninoynapoleon' 09:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

2007 NBA Playoffs

The football template is not only offer to football. I cannot find any reason for deny it, but it cannot provide too much information. For example, Recap. KyleR Giggs 14:53, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You can use the report parameter. --Howard the Duck 14:55, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template for the NBA Playoffs

Hello. I just wanted to share a glimpse of what I am coming up with for use as a template for the playoffs, except for the finals (since the finals use a 2-3-2 and not a 2-2-1-1-1 format). I could also include the finals in this template too, but anyways, here is how it will look like. Still quite a bit of work to do though. Also, if you have any suggestions about it, please leave them on my talk page, and I can add those features to the template. Thanks! --Sukh17 ^{T • C • E} 21:06, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template {{Basketballbox}}

You're welcome =) Thanks for improving it. I completely forgot about the overtimes, lol. Thanx =D I'll try to create Templates for other sports soon. Be aware and keep contributing Saulopro 19:44, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yay but I can seem to eliminate the last empty row. Argh. --Howard the Duck 15:20, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's what I had in mind with the points and assists. You could also put rebounds, maybe. I don't know... LOL. But please be careful with massive changes, cause it can be a big problem, ok? ;o) Saulopro 15:18, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just asking.

Is Pinoy Big Brother (season 2) listed in your watchlist? Just asking because I don't know why Hakushu8 is asserting his point even though not all versions of Big Brother don't use the same terms as the UK version. - 上村七美 | talk 04:19, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's on my watchlist but I don't revert indiscriminately since I don't watch the program, mostly I watch the page for spam, copyvios and stupid one-sided fanboy edits. --Howard the Duck 04:26, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NBA Playoffs reponse

I posted a response to your consistancy issue on the 2007 NBA Playoffs talk page. Please read it and tell me what you think of my concerns Dknights411 04:49, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Would you mind if I changed the format of this page? Aside from the concerns that I put on the talk page, I'm still VERY discouraged that you went over everyone's head with these templates without proper discussion. I cannot stress this enough, but you aren't the only user here, you know. So until we solve this issue, we should change the article back to let it match all the other playoff articles. Dknights411 17:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As what I've suspected all along; it wasn't really about the templates, it was about me! That's why it was very hard to convince you guys, LOL. --Howard the Duck 00:26, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I have a hard time seeing your point about the page being too ugly. I thought the old way was fine, but apparently your standards are way high in this respect. This is why you should talk to other users about things you feel like doing, because not everyone shares your standards. Wikipedia is a project were EVERYONE works together, and this is my golden principle of Wikipedia. Sorry if I came across a bit harsh. Dknights411 02:16, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

deletion review of List of Philippine Presidents by longevity

I've asked for a deletion review of List of Philippine Presidents by longevity. Since you participated in the deletion discussion for this article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. -Fagles 20:33, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

PBA and Angel Locsin

Nurikane 04:26, 4 May 2007 (UTC) First off, thanks for editing the PBA Unforms Box. You deserve more than KUDOS! In fact, I started helping you to edit the defunct PBA teams' jersey. I was responsible for changing the colourways of Toyota, Great Taste, Wrangler and Tanduay. Also, I need help on how deal with he copyrights on placing copyrights on the image I'll upload for our local celebrities. I just can't understand some of the Wikipedia mods are interfering my act like what've done for Angel Locsin's infobox. Thanks![reply]

Dude, I'm sorry to tell you that unless you can stalk Angel and take a picture of her, you can't just add a picture of her since it will violate fair use guidelines. If you can get in touch with a movie journalist you can perhaps use {{promotional}}.

As for PBA, I'm planning to add short patterns but the template is currently screwing up so I'll wait for the template's creator to fix it. --Howard the Duck 05:10, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

TyrusThomas4lyf

See Wikipedia:Requests for comment/TyrusThomas4lyf and feel free to contribute. Myasuda 13:38, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NBA Response

For the record, I actually think the new formats looks worse than the old ones. Having one single box for every game for the playoffs just makes the page look way too busy and too complicated than necessary. It makes it seem like the article is doing too many things at the same time, and this IMHO confuses the reader. It sure as heck makes it harder for me to follow the entire article. If this means that I'm completly crazy, than so be it. But it just shows that not everyone shares your point of view bout what's "better" and what's "ugly". It's one thing for wanting neatness, and I agree with that. But this is going WAAAY overboard. Besides, I nor anyone else found the old format to be "ugly" as you see it, and there haven't been any complaints about it. It seems to me that you're the only one who has an issue with "ugly pages" (which is something that's too POV to determine 100%). So to me, it seems like your the one that "Owning the page". You did a drastic change on two articles, without telling ANYONE of your plans, or giving us ample time to discuss the pros and cons of it. You can't do that on Wikipedia. We're supposed to help one another, and you're not giving us the chance. You may think you're helping us, but IMHO, you're not. If you want to help us, give us a chance to help you too. Otherwise, what is the point of all this? Dknights411 03:18, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dude (I'm assuming you're a guy), assume good faith. I do not mean to be hostile. It might be going overboard, but if I'll go overboard for neatness, I'd gladly to that everyday. And I'm helping you people have better-looking pages. Care to read other sports-seasons/playoffs pages? At least the 2007 NBA Playoff page look like one of them now.

I understand your and my biases since we would support our own versions of the page. However, if you people can at least format correctly these pages there shouldn't be a problem. Thesis writing is not only content, it's also about style and presentation. One single box for every playoff game is equivalent for one single row in the previous convention, they're not that different anyway. And I proposed of adding a header but you thumbed down on it, it could've made reading the article easier for you. --Howard the Duck 03:23, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think you've missed my point with this. My issue is that your using your own point of view on what's neat or not to format these pages, despite the fact on what others might think. And for the record, I did read the other articles, and I still would advocate for a simpler setup. You're not the authority on "neatness" on wikipedia, so you can't really have the final say on what's acceptable and what's not formatting wise. Not to say that I don't completly care about neatness, I just happen to think that simpler a listing can be, the neater it is (I've never been a big fan of the use or overusage of templates in the first place). Ergo, we have completly different views on this and if we keep going, we'll never get anywhere. Which is why I'm proposing a truce. It's obvious we're never gonna accept each other's versions for the page, so let's come up with a happy medium, something that we can BOTH be happy with. I'm willing to work this out if your willing to. Dknights411 05:01, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So? You're also not the authority on "simplicity" on Wikipedia. I don't know why you're hostile with templates, considering we use them everyday here, and as I've said before, one template is one row in your tables. I've asked for opinions (with 1 support and no opposition, which I admit was too little) even before I unilaterally changed the format of the 2007 playoffs page.

Which brings me too, if I haven't changed the format, nobody would've cared. I still don't get your opposition to this; the Stanley Cup, World Cup and many sports pages has virtually the same format, yet it is the NBA Playoffs which continue to adhere to your bulleted lists. I also like things to be simple, and the template is simple enough to understand; it doesn't take an Einstein to figure it out.

OK, I propose this: a third party (the RFC} and you use your tables on the 2007 NBA Playoffs page, and I use mine on the 2006 NBA Playoffs page. --Howard the Duck 05:10, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why go through all that trouble now that we're in the middle of the playoffs? Let's leave them alone. The 2007 article is a current event article so thousands of users are either on it or editing it (even right in the middle of a game!) how about we keep using your formats as long as it's a current article, and keep them on until the next playoffs start the next year. Then that article becomes historical, and would not need the more expansive format. How about that? Dknights411 05:19, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Editing scores at the middle of the game should be forbidden, IMHO. Or they must put the quarter and time left at the page too.

As for your suggestion I'd like that for the Playoffs article, for the Finals article, it's not even that long so all of the information that can be added may be retained. It's worth noting that Miami sold out all of their games while the Mavs didn't sell out Games 1 and 6 (since Game 2 had the most number of attendees). --Howard the Duck 05:24, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you on both points. Wikipedia should try to have a safeguard against users who try to udate during the game. Oh well...

And as for the Finals article, it sounds like a good idea, but we still have to figure out the little nagging issue of how the scores should be listed. For the Finals pages, it really should be a complete quarter-by-quarter line score, so the final score should appear there. Can you retrofit the template to display ONLY the line scores in lieu of one listing of the final score? If you can, then I'll concede the Finals pages over to you, and I'll help set up the new templates on all the Finals pages. NOW can we end this? This whole debate is leaving me exhausted!!! Dknights411 05:32, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The quarter scores are displayed right at the bottom of the total score, so it is unnatural for a basketball fan to read it that way. However, we can modify it to display in the <teamA> <scoreA>, <teamB> <scoreB> format, then right under it are the quarter scores as they would appear in a newspaper (Like, "13-13, 14-14, 15-15, 16-15").

As for the debate, a few more Canadian jokes might keep us going, LOL. --Howard the Duck 05:37, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whoa, hold of on the Canada jokes. I was born there you know? But I'm cool about the jokes, as long as it's in good taste, of course!!! ;-)

The quarter scores idea might work in a newspaper, but they're already formatted in tables already, so we should at least keep that element in there somehow. Maybe how about subdividing the page like this:

Game #
Game Summary Template w/stats (game leaders, officals, attendence, NO line score)
text passage about the game
Line score

Of course, each of the games would be it's own subsection, and pardon my formatting here. I'm not as advanced on the fly as some other users. I think this format might work, what about you?

Oh and about the non-sellouts in Dallas in the Finals, there's a reason for that. Maverick fans SUCK!!! lol Dknights411 05:49, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm editing the template, lemme know what you'd think if I'm finished since it'll effect the 2007 Playoffs page, anyway.

As for Mavs fan, there's only one true Mavs fan. --Howard the Duck 05:53, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(reindent)There is MUCH truth in that statement! Dknights411 05:56, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And we other Mavs fans are his disciples, LOL. Check out the new template now, if might look better, I'm sorting out the kinks. --Howard the Duck 05:57, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it's just me, but maybe the score can be listed on two lines, with the road team listed on the top and the road team listed on the bottom (that's how most American media outlets reports scores). this way, we still get a sense of who eas home and who was on the road. can it be formatted like that? If not, just revert it for now. Dknights411 06:06, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I dunno, but NBA.com and Yahoo! Sports uses the horizontal convention. This will also keep the table wrapped in one line. The home team is still listed last anyway.

I was looking over the template once again, and I found out that the winner of the game should be highlighted, or more preferably bolded. Just a personal preference really, but that's how the other NBA articles do it. What do you think about that? Dknights411 07:14, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll think about it. --Howard the Duck 09:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ludicrous claim

I'm beginning to doubt now the "sources" of User:Rizalninoynapoleon claiming a certain who contacted him, and a certain who provided him information, Template talk:Philippine elections-- Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 17:07, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Asking a person is original research anyway. --Howard the Duck 02:02, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Like the Head of the COMELEC archives department who doesn't exist? That someone from the Supreme Court sanctioning the Tejeros Convention elections, when Philippine jurisprudence doesn't recognize any act of the revolutionary government? -- Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 04:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why add gm on the recap

Regarding the 2007 NBA Playoffs page, I feel that it is unnecessary to put "gm" in the recap link, because it is obvious to anyone who read the article. I want to undo it, but I feel that it is better to talk to you first before doing anything since you do make many good edits on the page. Give me your thoughts. Thx. Happy Editing Chris 05:27, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since you didn't get back to me, I will delete it for now. If you want, you can restore it later. Chris 21:45, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually Dknights sorted of wanted it but it doesn't matter for me anyway. --Howard the Duck 04:56, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Basketball team templates

Hi Howard, I stumbled upon the work you have been doing to create a set of Category:National basketball team templates. Before you proceed much further, may I offer an alternate suggestion!

I have been spending time on and off this year working on Wikipedia:WikiProject Flag Template activities. I don't know if you have looked in detail at the internal structure of the {{flag}} and {{flagicon}} templates, but they now work from a set of "database" templates that also include historical flag variants and so on. It is quite an elegant system, and one that lends itself to additional uses.

Specifically, I had been toying with the idea of replacing literally thousands of national team templates for various sports with a very small set of generic parameterized templates. I haven't proposed anything to any of the sport WikiProjects yet, but your recent work has motivated me to do so now.

In effect, I am proposing replacement of all of the templates you have created (and likely intend to create) for national basketball teams with a single template: {{bk}}. (I chose the intentionally short name for a reason, so that the replacement wiki markup is not substantially different in size.)

For example, here is the output for some nations:

`{{ARG-b}}` → {{ARG-b}}	`{{bk\|ARG}}` → Argentina
`{{LTU-b}}` → {{LTU-b}}	`{{bk\|LTU}}` → Lithuania
`{{PUR-b}}` → {{PUR-b}}	`{{bk\|PUR}}` → Puerto Rico

You get the idea. Not only is this a cinch for maintenance, but there are other benefits:

If you don't remember some of the more obscure country codes, no problem! Just use the full name.
{{bk|Serbia}} → Serbia
If you want to use a historical flag, no problem! Just add an extra argument, as per the documentation on that nation's Category:Country data templates page.
{{bk|CAN|1957}} → Canada
If you want to create an alternate form for putting the flag on the right instead of the left, no problem! That would entail creating only 1 or 2 more templates, not an entire parallel set of dozens of templates.

I have also experimented with a similar football template ({{fb}}), so that we could replace about a thousand football templates with about four! Here are four historic templates for Hungary that can be replaced by a single template using the Template:Country data Hungary variants:

`{{HUNf}}` → {{HUNf}}	`{{fb\|HUN}}` → Hungary
`{{HUNf1949}}` → {{HUNf1949}}	`{{fb\|HUN\|1949}}` → Hungary
`{{HUNf1957}}` → {{HUNf1957}}	`{{fb\|HUN\|1957}}` → Hungary
`{{HUNfkofh}}` → {{HUNfkofh}}	`{{fb\|HUN\|1867}}` → Hungary

I hope you agree that this is the way to go with respect to the basketball teams, and I can repeat this proposal for other sports. I can also help speedy delete the templates you've created so far before they are used, if you like.

Thanks for your consideration, Andrwsc 00:01, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You know what, that's what I've been figuring about how to do that. You may delete them if you want, but FIBA tournaments are fast approaching and if you can speedily recreate those it can be great. --Howard the Duck 01:54, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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