User talk:Horse Eye's Back/Archives/2023/May

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	New Zealand–Taiwan relations is a very good article. Well done! BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 02:17, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

WP:NPA again

Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Disagreements on Wikipedia can take place civilly. What you posted on my talk page was not civil. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 00:29, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

@CorbieVreccan: what is uncivil is getting the last word in on your talk page... Asking the other user not to post their anymore... And then posting a warning on their talk page. You don't get to throw the BLP policy away just because you consider your own original research superior to the content in reliable sources. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 01:40, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Propaganda in China

I noticed that the below keeps getting removed from Propaganda in China and Censorship of Wikipedia.

Despite being censored in mainland China, and as VPNs are normally not allowed to edit Wikipedia, Wikipedia administrators from China have permitted IP block exemptions for a select number of mainland users. Such users are recruited to change the editorial content on Wikipedia in support of China's viewpoint and/or to support the election of pro-Chinese government administrators on Wikipedia, with the aim of gaining control of Wikipedia. Academics suggested that “China urgently needs to encourage and train Chinese netizens to become Wikipedia platform opinion leaders and administrators … [who] can adhere to socialist values and form some core editorial teams.”

The pro-Beijing Wikipedia community, the Wikimedians of Mainland China (WMC), have clashed with Wikipedia editors from Taiwan, not only over Wikipedia's content, but also making death threats made against Taiwan's community of Wikipedians. One Taiwanese editor suggested that it was not just patriotic mainlanders, but a "larger structural coordinated strategy the government has to manipulate these platforms" beside Wikipedia, such as Twitter and Facebook. The Wikimedians of Mainland China (WMC) also threatened to report Wikipedia editors to Hong Kong's national security police hotline over the disputed article "2019–2020 Hong Kong protests" characterized by edit warring. A Hong Kong-based editor, who remains anonymous because of fears of intimidation, noted that "Pro-Beijing people often remove content that is sympathetic to protests, such as tear gas being fired and images of barricades. They also add their own content". Acknowledging that "edit wars" happen on both sides, the anonymous editor stated that "Pro-democracy editors tend to add content to shift the balance or the tone of the article, but in my experience, the pro-Beijing editors are a lot more aggressive in churning out disinformation. It's now unfixable without external interference. Someone is trying to rewrite history."

On 13 September 2019, the Wikimedia Foundation banned seven Wikipedia users and removed administrator privileges from twelve users that were part of Wikimedians of Mainland China (WMC). Maggie Dennis, the foundation's vice present of community resilience and sustainability, said that there had been an yearlong investigation into “infiltration concerns” that threatened the "very foundations of Wikipedia". Dennis observed that the infiltrators had tried to promote "the aims of China, as interpreted through whatever filters they may bring to bear", suggesting possible links to the Chinese Communist Party. Dennis said “We needed to act based on credible information that some members (not all) of that group [WMC] have harassed, intimidated, and threatened other members of our community, including in some cases physically harming others, in order to secure their own power and subvert the collaborative nature of our projects”. HertzUranus (talk) 14:00, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @HertzUranus:! I would recommend engaging in a discussion on the article's talk page in that situation, usually you will be able to collaborate with the other editors to find a version of the text which can gain WP:CONSENSUS. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:30, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

May 2023

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Bon courage (talk) 19:53, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bon courage: Can you provide any evidence to support you assertion? I see multiple reverts from you[1][2] but I don't see multiple reverts from any other editors. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 19:57, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

so long as you're aware, s'good. Bon courage (talk) 20:04, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bon courage: you are actually required to provide evidence (preferably in the form of diffs) to support such claims per WP:NPA. See Wikipedia:Casting aspersions. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 20:10, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

You have multiple reverts. Bon courage (talk) 20:20, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes... I now have two. I did not five minutes ago let alone half an hour ago when you posted that warning to my talk page. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 20:21, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I guess I'm just ahead of things. Bon courage (talk) 20:23, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

If you placed a warning template "ahead of things" thats an issue. Are you sure thats what you meant? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 20:24, 23 May 2023 (UTC)