User talk:Hmbr/Archive 1

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Archive 1

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Wikipedia:Notice board for Israel-related topics

Given your first article, your article on Hapoel Jerusalem Wikipedia:Notice board for Israel-related topics.

Gilo

If you wanted to use the quote use the quote, but you reintroduced text that is not reliably source (the source used actually lies about the original source it claims to be quoting). nableezy - 20:57, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Please do not mark edits like this one as minor. As you can see from the extensive talk page discussion on this issue, how to describe Gilo is one of the most contentious issues under discussion. Tiamut^talk 21:14, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Jewish exodus from Arab lands

Hello Hmbr, you linked Mossad LeAliyah Bet as the group suspected of the bombings in the early 50s. In Israel's Secret Wars, Benny Morris writes (p. 91) that the Mossad "and/or" the Mossad LeAliyah Bet were blamed for the bombings. nableezy - 16:31, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Mossad LeAliyah Bet was an organization that preceded today's Mossad. In texts dealing with this period, "Mossad" refers to Mossad LeAliyah Bet. --Hmbr (talk) 16:45, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Part of that is correct. However, Morris specifically names both the Mossad and the Mossad LeAliyah Bet, not one or the other, so to say that when he writes "Mossad and/or the Mossad LeAliyah Bet" that he only means "Mossad LeAliyah Bet" is plainly incorrect. Also, this took place in the 50s, after today's Mossad came into existence. nableezy - 17:32, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

FYI

Not sure if you're aware of this. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 18:55, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Gaza flotilla clash

Your revert was not my addition, it was [1]Lihaas (talk) 11:54, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Please stop reverting the casualty figures. A range of figures from 9-19 has been reported. There is no valid reason to arbitrarily select the lowest figure and state that as fact. -- ChrisO (talk) 18:09, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Chris, Please don't be a hypocrite. You arbitrarily selected the highest figure and stated it as a fact. I wonder which source is more reliable- CNN and BBC or Al-Jazeera. --Hmbr (talk) 18:15, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Numerous discussions on the reliable sources noticeboard have established that Al Jazeera is a reliable source. -- ChrisO (talk) 18:28, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

I still wonder why you prefer the one on the others. --Hmbr (talk) 18:30, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

For the sole reason that it establishes the higher bound - "up to" - rather than stating as a fact the lowest bound, as you did. The bottom line is that we don't yet know. -- ChrisO (talk) 18:32, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

And by the way, of course the Mavi Mamara is a passenger boat. It's a passenger ferry. -- ChrisO (talk) 18:32, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

A passenger boat with political pro-Palestinian activists. But OK, your agenda is crystal clear. --Hmbr (talk) 18:36, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Discussion on closure of Israel and Aparthied mediation

Current consensus seems to be to move the article to Israel and Apartheid with an appropriate disambiguation line to prevent any misinterpretations. Please weigh in over the next few days. --Ludwigs2 17:15, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Your move of the "1948 Palestine war" article to "1947-1949 Palestine war"

Please move it back. One can not determine the title based on dates alone. Please see WP:COMMONNAME. --Frederico1234 (talk) 03:54, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

The events described in this article (which seems as an aggregation of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War and 1947–1948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine), started, according to the last edit by Nableezy, in November 1947 and ended late in 1949. this means that "1948 war" is not an accurate name and describes only a portion of it. This is contrary to the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, which occurred, according to the article, almost ultimately in 1948, and therefor deserves this title. BTW, it is still automatically linked from 1948 Palestine war, so navigating to this page will not be an issue. Thanks, --Hmbr (talk) 21:54, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not debating the dates. The dates are as you mostly as you described (late 1949 is not correct). Also note that the bulk of the fighting took place in 1948. 1949 is when the armistice negotiations took place. --Frederico1234 (talk) 04:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I have no opinion about the accuracy of the dates, you are welcomed to discuss them with Nableezy. however,as long as 1947-1949 are mentioned as the years when these events (which include the 1947-1948 civil war)occurred, 1948 war will be a misleading name, which blurs the boundaries between this article and the 1948 Arab-Israeli War article. Thanks. Hmbr (talk) 08:11, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Tourism

The IP conflict looks like a hot subject for you. I have reverted your edits. Please see the talk page for previous discussions and we of course can continue the dialog. However, please do not make contentious edits like that without seeking consensus.Cptnono (talk) 01:37, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

The talk page mainly discusses the Golan Heights and East Jerusalem. No one declared that Bethlehem (or Ramallah for instance, like other Palestinian controlled cities in Area A) are integral parts of Israeli Tourism. I agree that a short passage to West bank tourism is necessary, due to the fact that Israel administrates the entrances, but it is completely unnecessary to portray all the Bethlehem sites in this page - they are already described in the Tourism in the Palestinian territories article. Hmbr (talk) 02:07, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Then you didn't look close enough. State your reasoning on the talk page and not here though since we do not need two separate conversations.Cptnono (talk) 22:08, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Gush Etzion

I have posted references at Talk:Gush_Etzion#NPOV:_Settlement_is_illegal, do not remove NPOV terms (Occupied and illegal) from the article, these are not "controversial" terms, these are ICJ terms.User:Waqas.usman (Talk) 16:02, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

I ask you again to stop removing NPOV terms that are used by ICJ, discuss on the article's talk page before removing these terms.User:Waqas.usman (Talk) 16:30, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

I answered you on the talk page. please stop inserting POV statements. You are the one that is changing the article from the stable condition. Hmbr (talk) 16:32, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Gush_Etzion#Opening_sentence_should_reflect_current_status

Opening sentence should reflect current status, not what one country's point of view or what it was 100 or 90 years ago. Talk:Gush_Etzion#Opening_sentence_should_reflect_current_status User:Waqas.usman (Talk) 20:08, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Jews in the Land of Israel

Hi Hmbr, I saw that you created Category:Jews in the Land of Israel and I am leaning towards nominating it for deletion. I feel that it is POV to include categories Category:Jews in Ottoman and British Palestine and Category:Palestinian Jews in a Land of Israel category. Thoughts?--TM 05:46, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, I think you are right about the Palestinian Jews category (because it includes living people in the Palestinian territories)- you can remove it. However, in the Ottoman and British period, the name "Land of Israel" was the common name used by Jews in the old Yishuv (see the article: History of the Jews in the Land of Israel), so I think its better if you leave it. Thanks, --Hmbr (talk) 10:55, 28 October 2010 (UTC)