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Sequoia National Park

Hi, thank you for restoring the ==See also== "cat. links" for Sierra flora-fauna I put in Sequoia National Park, and adding the wiki policy link to back it up. I enjoy your efforts on many other articles of 'shared interest' also. Thank you, cheers---Look2See1 t a l k → 02:37, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

It's not so much that I quoted a policy to back it up: I looked around for about 10 minutes, and couldn't find a policy or guideline that supported the removal of category links in a See also section. Looking forward to more contributions from you! —hike395 (talk) 03:03, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

/TestImageMap

Hi Hike395, I just read your idea on Sequoia National Park cat. links and stand alone articles instead, a very good solution. My only goal was/is for readers to find articles related by a subject. The Sequoia groves & list of groves, and all those individual trees, parks, etc. were rather dispersed - and since some are ~2,000 years old do deserve some respect..... With the Cat:Sierra Flora in 'see also' - it seemed only a wiki-detective could track the route to it from the Seq. park's article, putting in a stand alone will stop a needless wiki-rules debate and retain the access. I can put it in Yosemite & Sierra's Nat. Forests too. As seems Rkitko's concern, the available cat. options may not be precisely 'proper' to use, even if logical. I have never created a new wiki article yet, so appreciate your wiki-help links too. If can master doing this one I'll continue and clean up my cat. act in some other link-topic areas too.--Thank you---Look2See1 t a l k → 19:39, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Hike395 - Yes please, a bit of help starting the first Sierra 'list article' would be great. I'm sensing a wall of overwhelm with my lower computer skill set than most wiki-editors. How is the best way to do this? - without actually looking over your shoulder to learn by watching and duplicating as most my 'tech learning' has been absorbed. Rkitko is clear on enforcing one set of rules, and I need to minimize my 'edit overlap' for his and my well being, this stand alone articles mode seems to honor his limits and my 'wiki-gardener' info accessibility work.

The "3 seasons in a 100 feet walk" I mentioned on R's talkpage today was with the late master Sierras Botanist - former living legend Carl Sharsmith, an insightfull experience and person I was so fortunate to have shared in, maybe you have heard of him too ? A bit tired so will close this ramble - with openness to the best way to proceed. Your 'big view' and calm help is so appreciated.—cheers—Look2See1 t a l k → 02:51, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Ecology of the Rockies

Hi - I've rewritten the intro section and cut my flora subsection (it wasn't right). Anyway I hope you like it. And thanks for sending me a note about the revert. regards Istanbuljohnm (talk) 03:10, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Infobox mountain and Location map USA Alaska

Hello. I see that you reverted my changes to Template:Location map USA Alaska. The version you reverted it to only works for decimal coordinates with West latitudes. Besides breaking maps with decimal coordinates in East latitudes, it also breaks all calls to the template using DMS coordinates in both West and East latitudes. This causes the map marker not to display in articles for many Alaska cities that use Template:Infobox settlement, such as Galena, Alaska:

Galena

Galena (Alaska)

{{Location map|USA Alaska
|width=200|float=right|label=Galena
|lat_deg=64|lat_min=44|lat_sec=26|lat_dir=N
|lon_deg=156|lon_min=53|lon_sec=08|lon_dir=W
}}

As for the problems with Template:Infobox mountain, I believe it worked properly after your edits in March. The problem seems to be an August edit to Template:Infobox mountain/map that removed the line which passed the lon_dir parameter to Template:Location map. I posted a comment and the suggested fix at Template talk:Infobox mountain#location). Once that change is made, the maps for articles such as Cleveland Volcano (Alaska) should work correctly. When I have some time, I will post of fix for Template:Location map to avoid the need for these workarounds. In the meantime, I would appreciate it if you could revert your change to Template:Location map USA Alaska, since I believe that breaks more maps than it fixes. -- Zyxw (talk) 20:05, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi. Before any changes are made I'd like to understand what the problem is. Don't forget that coordinates passed to {{infobox mountain}} are parsed by {{Infobox coord}}. I'll go read the stuff at Template talk:Infobox mountain and then come back here. –droll [chat] 21:38, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Zyxw, could you provide a set of coordinates and a map that would reveal the bug when using {{infobox mountain}} –droll [chat] 22:08, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Never mind: See the note from Plastikspork at Template talk:Infobox mountain#location map. –droll [chat] 22:47, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

This should now be fixed after changes to the Alaska location map. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 07:56, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

List of Sierra plants

Hi hike395, Looking forward to adding more List of Sierra plants species article links, and then to be able to send this into the wiki-world. I did finally have sufficient clarity and calmness to post a response on the Sequoia Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (layout) talkpage. Independent of my concurrence with with the actual content of your posts' observations-views-values - I appreciate the tone, sensibility, and constructive temperament as a whole piece. Thank you for taking the time to address the issue, and especially for helping me get started on a resolution based product-article usable beyond the original SNP scope.

Instead of working on the article today the wiki-efforts went to: 1.) reading all posts on my talkpage on "my category edit adds problem" - the thoughts, complaints, info-links, my 'bad' examples-links, et al; 2.) responding to the various editors in good faith; and 3.) trying to get clear on what they are really attempting to point out and is important, beyond the fuss, and learn how to do it better. With the exception of several very specific mis-cat. applications now corrected, I am as still quite confused and want to be clear more than ever - on proper balancing of strict cat. genealogy policy and sensible average reader access-article findability.
I'm sorry to ask you for anything more, but if you want to and are aware of some resources on this, beyond the wiki-links on my talk page, so my cat.-edits can just seamlessly help in an acceptable range, they would be very welcome.

and Onwards---cheers---Look2See1 t a l k → 00:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for suggesting the overall focus shift onto list articles, an insightful and good idea. The posted cat.-dialogues tone, while predominantly well intentioned, is resulting in the cat. confusion getting worse. The BBC just reported that one in five plants face extinction now in a Kew Gardens study, so being worried about whether three or five categories per plant article are wiki-legal becomes so silly in comparison. Getting out of the 'cat. hell' negativity resulted in thinking it may be wisest to just stop all these WP efforts. That has died down now with this redirection option of developing list articles instead for main articles accessibility-findability. I'll give it a try. Thank you for your kindness and constructive help.---best---Look2See1 t a l k → 06:17, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks hike395, for checking my Cathedral Range ?? link, will put it on a list for a later "Sierras geologic landmarks" list article.---cheers---Look2See1 t a l k → 22:52, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Books on K2

Thanks for splitting up the article on K2 and creating a new page for the books. I've been reluctant to add more books as the page just seemed to grow beyond control. Will focus my attention to the book section from now on. BTW, do you like this setup that I've made for books on K2? Or any other suggestions you might have? Qwrk (talk) 11:33, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome! As you say, splitting allows article growth, which is good. I like the organization by expedition. You may want to look at List of books about the Sierra Nevada (U.S.) --- that organizes books by topic (e.g., geology). Are there any non-climbing books about K2 or the Karakoram? —hike395 (talk) 14:48, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

P.S. You may wish to archive your talk page. See the top of my talk page to see how. —hike395 (talk)

I really like how that List of books about the Sierra Nevada (U.S.) is set up, so I thank you for giving me this insight. The issue with K2, and the focus on its very page, leans heavily on the history of the attempts and ascents.

Apart from the mountaineering books and those dealing with the early explorations there are some, but only few, that handle other aspects of the mount. The main category that springs to mind is a section that deals with the geological themes of the mountain and the surrounding area. Desio is a big player in this and I've listed his massive tome on the 1929 Expedition. In his 1988 revised edition of the classic La conquista del K2 (only available in Italian) about half the index is filled with his own research papers. (As you can see, he wasn't the only one with an obsession for this very peak. I think it's something that is inherent with the nature of the place.) The fact that this more or less sums it up, of course, also has to do with its very remoteness. As there are no inhabited places nearby there aren't any tales known you could categorise as being in the realm of folklore, like those you'd find in other ranges and / or countries.

Last group of books I can come up with is by far the smallest one, a mere hand full. There's a Japanese edition with fine photography and illegible poetry, and there's utter BS like that book that compares the pyramid structure of K2 with the burial site in ancient Egypt. More befitting the woolly brained dreamers of this planet. Qwrk (talk) 20:48, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Two other links you might want to peek at. (No, three.)

An attempt to include each and every variety (early draft) can be found here; User:Qwrk/Sandbox/K2_books_reworked. I have an extensive collection and try and bring all these together, even when I sometimes wonder if it's not too much, but that's what you get with bibliomaniacs.

Another test version with sortable columns; User:Qwrk/Sandbox/Template grid for future use

An external link; here's with some of the Odd Mountain Paraphernalia (including books) that I've got in my collection.

Qwrk (talk) 07:06, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Wow, you are really thorough! I'm impressed by your collection. The sortable table looks good: do you know about {{Sort}} ? It allows you to provide a sort key for sortable tables, so that fields like "author" and "publisher" can be sorted by last name.

For the book list, given that we're en WP, if a book is published in en and other editions, you may want to only list the en edition.

Happy editing! —hike395 (talk) 08:38, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Mount Whitney

Would you take a look that the Mount Whitney article. I looks really bad on a wide monitor. I have no experience with fixing a problem like this and I've seen you cleanup image layout before. Thanks. –droll [chat] 23:51, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, much better. –droll [chat] 07:48, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Template:Infobox mountain update

You are using {{Infobox mountain}} on your sub pages User:Hike395/ben nevis and User:Hike395/whitney. Currently, your infoboxs use deprecated parameter names. I hope that in the near future the template will be updated and those parameter names will not work. You can change the parameter names yourself, or I can update the names for you using WP:AWB. If you would like me to take care of it drop a note on my talk page. I am reluctant to modify user pages of active users without permission. –droll [chat] 20:00, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Yosemite Falls

Good edits! I was going to switch it so feet came before meters, but ran out of time before I could find documentation for how to hyphenate it within the template. Do you know of a way to hyphenate the parenthetical meter figures as well? If not, do you suppose there'd be any harm in just ditching the templates altogether and entering it manually? Rivertorch (talk) 05:52, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

You can check out {{convert/doc}}. There doesn't seem to be a way of adding hyphens to the alternative unit. One possibility is to use adj=mid, which we can use to push the alternative unit to the end of the noun phrase.

I like using {{convert}}, because it helps prevent mistakes and vandalism from creeping into the page. But, it's not required: if you want to take them out, there are no rules against it.

Happy editing! —hike395 (talk) 06:08, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

/Peru /HawaiiIsland /HawaiiIslandSandbox

Sierra Plants article

Hi Hike395, am startled to see your message about my "Sierra plants" draft now an 'out there' wiki-article. I really appreciate your regarding it good enough for that.

At a lower level of importance: I'm surprised to not be asked first; there were some final collected adds for filling out slim areas; the intro lede was unfinished; the working title was too vague 'for public use' and wanted to discuss with you) options and how to change it; and lastly had some minor corrections to do. I also wanted to learn how to transform/release a draft article into the wiki.world, still have no ? idea. I am unable to find it in Category:Sierra Nevada (U.S.) and sub-cats./park articles and quite confused?

Please help me with this. Your insights, ideas, and support have been so 'calmingly valuable-meaningful' since the Sierra/plants fracas-learning opportunity first appeared. Again, thank you for considering it good enough for a wikipedia article.---Best---Look2See1 t a l k → 16:58, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, was just startled earlier and no problems now. Did a 'send off tune up' and then put it in the 3 parks' "See also" lineups. Will see how it floats. Much appreciation to you---Best---Look2See1 t a l k → 03:52, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Mono Lake

Hi, Really good rewrite improving Mono Lake introduction and organizing cultural balance. The lede gives a well rounded sense of place. Interesting to see the 24 hour arsenic news cycle reflected in its daily readership chart.
Have wanted to clarify and correct the recent "my" to "our" in List of Sierra Plants talking, you contributed a lot and it is appreciated. Thanks for recent reminder of 'shift to list articles' - and will, but do not understand the process to start a Talk page/List article. Know it must be simple...help please? Also, where is the 'move button' you mentioned using to launch Sierra Plants from talk into wikipedia please? ---Best---Look2See1 t a l k → 22:00, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I wish I had cleaned up Mono Lake, before 100K+ people read the article! Oh, well.

You can start a page either by clicking on a red link and starting to type, or by moving an existing page. I'm not sure if everyone is using the updated UI that I use, or if it is still in beta. At the top of any page, there may be a tab-like thing that says "Move", or perhaps a little black downarrow that when you click on it, it reveals a menu, one of which says "Move". If you click on "Move", it takes you to a special page where you can type the new page name, and a reason for the move. This special page will allow you to move pages between "namespaces", too.. Normal articles don't have a namespace. User pages start with "User:", Article talk pages start with "Talk:", User talk pages start with "User talk:".. It's just a string --- there's nothing magic. Normally, you don't move things between name spaces, but when you create a temporary article in your own user talk, it's fine to move it out to the main name space by getting rid of the "User talk:" in the article title.

It's easy to create an article discussion page: up at the top, there should be a Discussion tab-like thing, and it should be red. Click on the red link, and it takes you to a place where you can create the Discussion page.

Hope this helps! —hike395 (talk) 00:08, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Must be the arsenic in brain for missed editing of Mono Lake line that elicited: birds do not walk underwater encased in small air bubbles :-)) |-Your comment caused a funny visual image of birds drifting and rolling in clear spheres around the lake bed....

Thanks for "start a new list article" info above, it helps. Did find the move tab. Does one create the initial red link on their talk page ?

Did a lot of work in eastern/southern Sierra articles yesterday: 1) anything incongruous with the cat's clear sensibility (that you monitor so well) ? 2) realize now that I'd added [Cat:S.N. (U.S.)] to some that had [Cat:Seq.N.P.] already, and will remove parent cat.---Thank you---Look2See1 t a l k → 21:15, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Infobox ecoregion

Thanks for creating a custom ecoregion infobox. It looks great and using it will be much easier than hacking the protected area infobox. Miguel.v (talk) 05:44, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome! I saw your edit to Cascade Mountains leeward forests and went back and saw that you were wrestling with the limitations of Geobox. There was already an existing {{Infobox ecoregion}}, so I expanded it to work on most (all?) of the infoboxes that you've added. Feel free to modify the infobox, also, or let me know if there is a problem or want me to add or change something.

I appreciate all of the work you've done with the ecoregions! Thanks!

—hike395 (talk) 05:56, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

A file uploaded by you is under deletion request

A file (or files) you uploaded from the Remote Sensing Tutorial from NASA Goddard Space Center has been tagged for deletion since that tutorial acknowledges that not all of the used images are actually NASA. (See here the overview of the tutorial). The group deletion request is here. Comments would be welcomed.--Garrondo (talk) 11:48, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Nazca

Thank you for catching that idiotic error on my part. I've been dealing a lot with South America lately... but yeah, there's no excuse. Sorry. ceranthor 13:57, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Inset maps

See Template talk:Location map#Inset Maps. Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 05:36, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Autopatrolled

Hello, this is just to let you know that I have granted you the "autopatrolled" permission. This won't affect your editing, it just automatically marks any page you create as patrolled, benefiting new page patrollers. Please remember:

• This permission does not give you any special status or authority
• Submission of inappropriate material may lead to its removal
• You may wish to display the {{Autopatrolled}} top icon and/or the {{User wikipedia/autopatrolled}} userbox on your user page
• If, for any reason, you decide you do not want the permission, let me know and I can remove it

If you have any questions about the permission, don't hesitate to ask. Otherwise, happy editing! Acalamari 14:01, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

On behalf of the new page patrollers, thank you! —hike395 (talk) 02:36, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

dup ref at Mono Basin

Fancy meeting you here! The refs were almost but not precisely dupes, the first one referred to page 1, the second, page 13.  ;-) --j⚛e decker^talk 04:53, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

My mistake, sorry! I reverted my edit.—hike395 (talk) 05:00, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

No worries! I'm half tempted to condense that some other way (Harvard footnotes or something), because it is a big wall of mostly repeated text. --j⚛e decker^talk 05:15, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Herb Crisler

Thank you for identifying that. Such a shame. :( --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 15:24, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

convert templates

Your last edit on Vinson Massif included the note "use convert templates" which I assume was at least partly directed at my previous edit. This is great advice and I will use it from now on, thanks. I do have a couple questions however.

Sometimes the figure given that I wish to convert is obviously an estimation. For example, "Climber x fell at approx. 7,000 m." In this case it would not be informative to convert to the figure of 22,966 ft. This is an overly precise figure in respect to the given information, nor does it comply with the rules of significant figures. It is far better to use 23,000 ft in this case. So would I manually convert it in this case like I have been doing, or do the convert templates take this into account somehow? I always consider to what degree any figure may be an estimation and convert accordingly. I realize this may introduce rounding errors, but I believe this to be the lesser of two evils. Racerx11 (talk) 23:28, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorry --- "use convert templates" wasn't meant to be a command or advice: it's short for "I used convert templates in my edit".

The nice thing about the convert template is that it tries to guess the number of significant figures in the input. For example, {{convert|7000|m|ft}} produces 7,000 metres (23,000 ft). If you don't like the default precision, then you can override it. For example, if you want to round to the nearest 10 feet, this is -1 digits of precision after the decimal place, so you would use {{convert|7000|m|ft|-1}} which produces 7,000 metres (22,970 ft). —hike395 (talk) 00:21, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

That's great. I have learned about a new tool today. Thanks again. Racerx11 (talk) 00:25, 14 March 2011 (UTC)