User talk:Hans Detler

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Accounting4Taste:talk 19:14, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Notability of Bernard Hart

A tag has been placed on Bernard Hart requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Accounting4Taste:talk 19:14, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I've looked at the deleted article again, and I have to say that in my view it doesn't assert any notability, and notability is one of the requirements for the subject of a Wikipedia article. Apparently this individual started a clothing company. The clothing company can be notable -- apparently it is, since I think there was a Wikipedia article about it -- but that doesn't make its founder automatically notable. You probably should read through the material here that defines notability (the link above), but one key factor would be comments by experts in the field that Bernard Hart himself was notable for some reason; for instance, articles in business magazines that profile him personally. I confess I am unable to see how someone can be notable for being Jewish -- for writing about Judaism, yes, but not simply being Jewish -- but in order to verify that assertion, I suppose there would be articles about his contributions to the Jewish religion in magazines, websites or reference books about Judaism? At any rate, in order to have the article remain in Wikipedia, it must contain citations that assert the notability of the subject, and those citations must be verifiable. It's not enough to merely say that someone is notable, you have to back that up by quoting third-party arm's-length opinions by experts in the particular field. I hope this helps you. If you have any questions, or if I can refer you to further relevant Wikipedia policy, feel free to leave a note on my talk page. Accounting4Taste:talk 21:26, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

If you're planning on recreating the article, perhaps the ideas you shared with me should be in the article; they weren't all clearly present when I read it. I'm still not convinced of this individual's notability, mostly because you haven't proved any of your assertions with references. However, it's not me you need to convince; you are free to recreate the article if you like, and it won't necessarily be me that looks at it next time. I really do recommend that you read the material at Wikipedia:Why was my article deleted? and WP:Notable and they may give you pointers for any further contributions you would care to make. If I can help you further, let me know. Accounting4Taste:talk 21:59, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

It occurs to me that, since you seem to be a new editor, you might be trying to ask me to return the article to its former state but haven't made that clear. I'm not prepared to undelete it, but I will put the content into a "sandbox" page for you so that you can work on improving the article before you try to return it to Wikipedia. I'll leave the contents of the article at User:Hans Detler/Sandbox for your use. You can edit and improve the article there without being worried that someone will try to delete it. And there's very useful information in the "welcome" box that I left at the top of this page. Accounting4Taste:talk 22:04, 14 December 2007 (UTC)