User talk:GrigorG

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Hey

I understand your need to make the others believe that we (Macedonians) are uncivilized, vandals and some other things. But I don't understand some other thing: you claim Macedonia and the Macedonians to be just a part of the great Bulgarian nation; BUT, you also claim that we (Macedonians) are garbage and whenever you can, you try to make a very bad impression about us, everywhere you can. Union makes strength, that's absolutely true, and that's the only reason for your strength here on Wikipedia. But I'm trying to do the best I can to unite my brothers and sisters and finally make a difference! Maybe then you will stop. And why do you think that you can speak Macedonian? That language is not your mother tongue, that's the language of a totally different nation. INkubusse 20:29, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I am glad to talk with you. Ab initial, please read again what I wrote in User talk:Svik about Macedonians and about you. Yes I am indignant at your manners in MK Wikipedia and I'll explain why, but I emphasized that the peoople like you "are not very much" in Republic of Macedonia. So the story is: I red in MK Wikipedia one your message wich is very outrageous[1]. It contents insults to Bulgarians - incivilized barbarians without any culture, bad language, loathsome way of creation of Bulgarian nation etc. You finished this with - "God hate you!" (i.e. Bulgarians). For theese insults, I think, you was blocked in Macedonian Wikipedia. I have been noticed your message to Svik and I inform him who indeed are you and what you done. I'll be very glad if you express your regrets. I respect every Macedonians, at least because I am a half Macedonian. But I'll never accept converting of some of Wikipedias in political or propaganda forum.

P.S. From where you know which is my mother tongue? I only wrote in my page that I am speak very well Macedonian and Bulgarian.--GrigorG 21:38, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again! I'm not that glad to talk with you, because it's very unproductive and bad for my health (I get very upset!). At least I'm honest. My manners on mk wikipedia are just fine, the thing with Anton was an exception and I did no vandalism or such, we only talked in a strange way. My message was not, as you say, "outrageous", yet it wasn't even insulting! Read carefully: in my text, the "uncivilized barbarians without any culture and bad language" are not the Bulgarians, but the Ancient Bulgarians (Prabaglari), the ones who came from Asia. I don't care if they're your ancestors, that shouldn't offend you, but they really were just as in the description. That's history. If you want to forge the history (as you do with the Ilinden period), please tell me that they were civilized, they had advanced culture and an alphabet! I hope you understand the point you missed and hopefully, realise that you made a fool of yourself about that.
Furthermore, NO, I wasn't blocked about those insults, that text wasn't an insult. I was blocked (for 24h) about an excess offense (it contained much more vulgar stuff, I wouldn't paste it here), which was removed instantly, and about which I apologized!
The stuff you said to Svik about me is not very kind of you. In fact, you're not right about it and I think that you owe me an apology! Spreading around that I'm an idiot is not something you should be proud of. About this: ' they pretetend to be democratic, but when they feel strong they use personal and national attacks ', all I have to say is that YOU (Bulgarians) are the ones who pretend to be democratic and use only sourced information on wikipedia and, no, you don't use personal attacks, that's true. You say only nice things that in fact offend us and make us wrong in the eyes of the spectators. You stick together like real brothers and you progress with your propaganda on wikipedia without using any insults. After all, if I use personal attacks, I can only make it worse, it's bad only for me, not for you. (If you want to see an example of your nation's democratic behaviour, read again what I'm struggling for on the article about Jane Sandanski. I didn't suggest He was a Macedonian revolutionary, I suggested a totally NPOV (something like He was a revolutionary from..., and your Bulgarian buddies accept ONLY Bulgarian revolutionary!!! Who's democratic here?)
And how can I feel strong when we (Macedonians on en wikipedia) are way too few and you (Bulgarians) are way too strong and stick together everytime there is a discussion. I think you have to understand this: I'm not making claims on YOUR history, YOU DO claim my history! Who's the attacked and who's the attacker?
You also said ' I'll never accept converting of some of Wikipedias in political or propaganda forum '. Oh, please, spare me! That's the only reason why I'm frustrated! Your intention here on wikipedia is only to make all articles about Macedonian history look like as if they were part of the Bulgarian history (maybe not you personally, but the other Bulgarians DO).

P.S. I don't doubt your Bulgarian language skills, but I'm sure that your knowledge of the Macedonian language is at lower than beginner level. You only think you can speak Macedonian because you think it's part of the Bulgarian language. Well VICE VERSA!

Cheers, I'm going to bed now, I was too busy today, I didn't even have time for Wikipedia :( - INkubusse 22:25, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Aleksandar! I think that one of the reasons about our misunderstanding is that you accepted Wikipedia as a forum. In your expression in MK Wikipedia, you isulted a whole Bulgarian people - their history, language and culture. Not only in the past and TODAY - you asserts that The God hates this people. In the following discussion there you acknowledged that you oath your Bulgarian-Macedonian opponent. I am not your judge, but I have right to say that this is not good, to inform the others and to try a way to suggest you that the rules are something very important. I did'nt stick a lebel on the Macedonians as a whole, I emphasized that not all of you have your manners, but, unfrtunately, one group of the contributors in MK Wikipedia, when it feels that it is strong, sometimes forgets some of the the ruls.

I never spreaded around that you are "an idiot". I am not agree only with your manners and I said it clearly. I think that this is not a question about your brains, but this is a question about your understanding about Wikipedia.

About Sandanski maybe we have different understanding about NPOV. When samebody expressed his national belonging clearly it is not NPOV to say - "he was from ...." or "in Bulgaria he considered as...., and in Republic of Macedonia he considered as....". According to me the NPOV is "He was ..... (as he declared and was accepted by the contemporaries) revotutionary from Macedonia. He is considered as ....... in Republic of Macedonia." However, the place of this discussion is not here.

I am ready to appologize to you if you feel insulted, but first I am waiting for your apologizes to Bulgarian people and to Anton. In your conversation in MK Wikipedia first you expresed your regrets, then you said that you didn't wrote anything bad. After the first insults you wroted about some Bulgarian "race" which is doing mean things. I believe that you are not racialist, but it would be better if you confirm it. Regards, --GrigorG 18:24, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]