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[edit]Hallo Sadia, You should never remove discussion from a talk page when other editors have contributed or responded to the discussion, as you've now done at Talk:Sadia Sadia. But at this stage it wouldn't be constructive to roll back all your deletions, which were interspersed with your useful additions to the page in drawing up a concise list of sourced suggestions (though formatting the references properly, rather than giving bare URLs, would make it easier for another editor to act on your suggestions). In any case everything is permanently in the page history for anyone with the patience to look.
In case there is a similar situation again, I'd point out that it is possible to reversibly hide a lengthy chunk of now-redundant discussion by using {{Hidden}} (but this is relatively advanced stuff - I had to look at my own user page, with the links to old lists of pages created, to remind me how I'd done it!). Or an archive could be created for the page, and the outdated stuff archived. But do not remove anything written by anyone else. Pinging @BubbaJoe123456: for info, as it's their comments which were removed along with your own lengthy contributions. PamD 10:28, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks PamD and will do. I realised I had made a mistake in not creating 'new section' and was well-meaningly trying to correct it, to reduce lengthy contributions and make everything more intelligible. The learning curve here is almost vertical. Please bear with me. Thanks. GreenForestRanger (talk) 10:48, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- PamD am on a single-digit shortlist as royal academician (regional not burlington house). Could not have come at worse time. Felt like sabotage, trying to put right but out of my depth.GreenForestRanger (talk) 08:57, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
- Good luck with the shortlist. I don't think the AfD nomination was anything personal: the nominator calls themself an "exclusionist" and has nominated quite a few articles, most of which have been deleted. I think your appearance on the list of "women's articles up for deletion" is probably what brought out the cavalry of helpful editors and saved the article. Now that you've found out a bit about editing, please contribute to help build the encyclopedia: careful addition of well sourced content, and concise contributions to talk page discussions are always welcome. To support articles on women, you might be interested in WP:Women in Red, where your article was mentioned. All the best. PamD 19:08, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
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[edit]Hi there, GreenForestRanger, and welcome to Women in Red. I see you've been experiencing quite a number of difficulties since you started to try to improve your own biography. I'm glad everything's now been sorted out. As you are interested in covering other women artists, hopefully with a number of new biographies, you might be interested in looking through our Primer for creating women's biographies. Please let me know if you run into any further difficulties or need assistance. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 09:41, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
Hello Ipigott thank you for dropping by. It wasn't so much that I tried to improve my own bio (!). It was depleted by an editor who removed easily verifiable info, etc. without even addressing on Talk Page. Then sent for deletion. Felt more like a drive-by shooting. Have been working on British video artist Gina Czarnecki over last few days and have added sixteen refs. Must improve my citation formatting! But at least getting some refs in there. This has been a foreign and very hostile environment but it's getting better :) Will do and thanks again! GreenForestRanger (talk) 10:07, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
Ipigott With apologies, I do have an ask. It's for me. They stripped me of my education credits (PhD) and my FRSA - once again, with no Talk Page discussion. It's the first request in the edit request queue here [[1]]. I'm actually a 'Dr'. Fully understand if not poss but it would mean a lot to me to see that reverted sooner rather than later. GreenForestRanger (talk) 11:29, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for your additional explanations on Samia Samia. Unfortunately, as you have experienced, there are frequently problems when people work on their own biographies. I think we need an additional section on your qualifications, perhaps with the heading "Education". The item on the talk page gives a reference to your PhD thesis but not to the other qualifications. There's a similar passage on your Chimera web page but it does not contain the dates. If you can provide additional sources (e.g. from the institutions involved), I would be happy to add the passage. (I have not been able to find a record of your graduation at Birkbeck in 1994 but perhaps you used another name at the time.) It would also be interesting to know your place of birth in Canada, when you arrived in England, and whether Samia Samia was also your name at birth. I hope you don't think I'm being too difficult but I want to avoid any further problems.
- In connection with Gina Czarneck, many of the references you have added appear to be primary sources. Wikipedia relies first and foremost on secondary sources such as journal articles, critical appraisals, biographies by independent authors (or in biographical dictionaries or databases), pertinent news items, for example referring to awards or special achievements. It would be good if you could look for material from sources such as these.--Ipigott (talk) 12:42, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi Ipigott I asked Nick Number [[2]] this very question before doing anything,'How does it work for academic titles?' and his reply was that it should be sufficient (in fact, he formatted it for me, bless him :)).
As you're aware, most master's degrees from the 1990's and 2000's are not online - but my PhD is open source. I've searched wiki to no avail on this subject. Everyone from Jill Biden [[3]] to my occasional editor Claus Christian Carbon's [[4]] academic credits link to the institution only but not them as individuals - by these parameters for both of them their academic credits are unsupported? My MA and MSc were certified by RMIT, the granting institution of my PhD (as would have happened with Jill B and Claus). Surely at some point one must AGF that people with PhD's have Master's degrees? And that you cannot undertake a Fine Arts PhD without a supporting MA Fine Arts?
The FRSA links to the public-facing page of the Royal Society for Arts so I'm assuming that's OK...
Place of birth: Toronto, Canada
Dual Citizen: Canada / UK
Full legal name is Sadia Sadia (please note the 'd' :))
Working in UK for thirty years, British passport in 2000, still carry Canadian passport which makes me a dual national Canada/UK.
I am based at Real World Studios in Wiltshire in the UK. (The ref for this is [[5]] title page but for this you may need institutional access]]
Will go back to Gina Czarnecki, I did just input the Sundance New Frontier citation, will review.
Many thanks, grateful for the guidance, doing my best here :) GreenForestRanger (talk) 13:47, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
- OK, there's now a short section on education.--Ipigott (talk) 15:06, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
Thank you :) I worked hard for those credits. You know, back in the day around 2007/2008 there seemed to be virtue in managing disinformation. These days the environment is very different. I find it terrifying that they train AI on Wiki - by those standards women will be incrementally written out of history. This is why I think WiR is so important. I've been an activist for much of my life but of late have isolated myself away from much of the growing sexism and misogyny in the world - I'm afraid it came and found me. I want to do what I can to help. GreenForestRanger (talk) 15:24, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
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