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Hejira reversion

Just noted the deletion of the ref to a primary source for the entry on Mitchell's Refuge of the Roads. As an academic trained to regard primary sources as most reliable when conducting historical research, I've never understood Wikipedia's aversion to using them. Would welcome an explanation beyond simply citing the official policy. Thanks Robma (talk) 16:50, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Ok - great; and thanks for getting back! Robma (talk) 13:06, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Possible Copyright Violation - Musical Offering

Thank you for alerting me to this. I have revised the music score. I have removed the names of instruments and the pizzicato marking on the bass line. The music score now simply reproduces Bach’s original (7 May 1747) instead of the arrangement on the 1950s album. Please let me know if this is acceptable.

Kind regards Spencerpiers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spencerpiers (talk • contribs) 13:56, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Template Editor

Granting me template editor privileges so I can do work on my Year Header template would be great to ensure no amateur vandals would damage it, thus permitting only professional vandals such as myself to do so. (This is a play on my own User Page in which I had a silly comment and picture on it, and people coming to my page thought someone (else) had vandalized it and reverted it back!) It also refers to my own efforts when writing the templates - and some others - that some of the things I was doing were so complicated and so "hairy" that at times it was so complicated I couldn't even figure out what I was doing (wrong) and had to revert it back. (I did not know about sandboxes then.) I was going to ask you for the privilege anyway. While I haven't had to fix any other locked templates it might come up. One I thought was interesting was, in the Template:Table cell templates, they had a green {{yes}} template. and a red {{No}} template, I could see (because I needed them myself) that they clearly lacked a yes with green check mark and mo with red x plus a few others, so I created them, then advertised them on the documentation page, expanding the table on the documentation to have room for the new templates. And it was less than two weeks before other people started using the new template items I created. Because the documentation wasn't locked I was able to make new templates with new features available to others besides myself. Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) (talk) 01:54, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

@Rfc1394: All done. Graham87 03:32, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Elementary school/primary school redirects

Hey, I saw your work with a few elementary school pages converted to redirects; I wondered what you thought of this one? Epsom Normal Primary School Chip🐺 • #TeamTrees🌳 00:51, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Davide King

Hey. I'm looking at the unblock appeal and was thinking of going ahead and unblocking. I know they got a second chance from you already, but maybe we can give a third chance a chance? My view is Wikipedia learning curve can be a bit steep sometimes to some more than others, but often time, once someone gets it, they're good. Anyway, before unblocking, I wanted to check in with you first — see if you have any thoughts, objections (strong or otherwise), and so on. Thanks. El_C 02:07, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

@El C: Sure, go for it. Graham87 02:12, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

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Help with Le Tombeau de Couperin

Hi Graham. Your help would be appreciated with the capitalisation issue for the title of the article Le Tombeau de Couperin which, according to Manual of Style for French capitalisation, should have the noun following the definite article capitalised. I am informed by the system that I am not allowed to change it myself, because of the article's prior history.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 18:09, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

I'm just surprised that the design by the composer on the title of the first print has it differently. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:12, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

I'm not surprised at all. If you will look at the MOS page cited bove, you will discover that there are two main styles of French capitalisation. English Wikipedia now follows the Imprimerie nationale method, though not many years ago (probably when the Tombeau de Couperin article was first written) the other style was preferred. In addition, publishers may have their own design styles, such as full caps, full lowercse, or even reverse-caps.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 18:19, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

@Jerome Kohl and Gerda Arendt: It seems that Antandrus has handled the page move. Graham87 02:28, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Well this is entertaining. Apparently, exactly ten years ago, Kleinzach (no longer around?) moved it the other way. I thought I had started the article myself, back in the Cretaceous, but a few anonymous edits came first. Antandrus (talk) 03:15, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

I have seen Kleinzach around, but he left Classical music when we introduced infoboxes for operas. Amazing how a little informative thing in the right corner can create hot emotions. Just because it's the upper right corner, or why? 6 years now that I don't understand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:30, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

As I said, the MOS used to prefer the other style for capitalization of French titles, which is no doubt why Kleinzach changed the format way back when. As for the infoboxes, what's wrong with putting them in the lower righthand corner of the article? They would be a lot less annoying there.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 07:45, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

We have standards, and upper right seems the normal position, and makes sense if fast access is wanted. You wouldn't put an abstract of an essay at its end. The point I really don't understand is: why "annoying", at all? For me, it's like ramp for disabled at a building. It wouldn't annoy me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Could this discussion be taken somewhere else? FWIW my thoughts on infoboxes are summarised in my response to this thread. Graham87 09:30, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes, but where? Jerome and I talked on his talk this year, but not about "annoying". I once wanted to start a discussion in QAI property, but was told by someone needed to participate she would not go there. My talk is crowded already, and I keep being told I should not mention the topic. I'd just like to understand the emotional part. - Thank you for the link. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:10, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Infoboxes? One of the village pumps? Start your own user subpage? I dunno ... I'd prefer not to be pinged about it, that's all. Graham87 10:59, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

I can't begin any of those, on a topic I'm supposed to be among the most disruptive, with discretionary sanctions in the background. Peace, - sing with fire ()pictured) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:44, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Accidental edit

I didn't mean to revert your edit on User talk:Jimbo Wales. Sorry! :) NASCARfan0548 (talk) 00:10, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

@NASCARfan0548: That's alright; it happens to all of us. Graham87 03:20, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

CfD for Category:Talk pages of pages converted to redirects

Hey Graham, hope all's well. Could I get your opinion over at this CfD? There's a proposal to rename Category:Talk pages of pages converted to redirects to Category:Talk pages of redirects and I'd be interested to hear if you agree with me that it's a bad idea (losing its exact meaning). Cheers,  — Scott • talk 03:14, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

@Scott: Done ... I kinda see both your point and the point of the nom, but I think the rename is the best way forward for now. I'm going well here ... I trust you are too. Graham87 03:38, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

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Carguy1213 block

Hello, I'm interested in any comment you have about the potential of unblocking Carguy1213, or if you outright oppose such an unblock. Thank you. 331dot (talk) 11:56, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

@331dot: I've read the talk page conversation and don't have any problems with an unblock. Graham87 12:00, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your reply. 331dot (talk) 12:01, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Hermann Gallos

Graham, can you delete the present Hermann Gallos (copy/paste creation), and replace it by deleted Draft:Hermann Gallos if you think that was ready? (I do.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:25, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: I've history-merged the two (oops re the bad page move summary). Your disambig link fix to the draft just duplicated another edit in the page history. Graham87 11:47, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:52, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

IP user : 125.238.204.17

Graham, is it a way for me to revert to "certain date" or "certain user" like you did? Or is it only available for Admin? I can only undid 1 change and the rest have to manually edit. Btw, thanks for banning IP user : 125.238.204.17 - Jay (talk) 03:46, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Yup, got it. Thanks - Jay (talk) 03:58, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you for correcting this error. I have gone through my contribs to ensure no other pages were impacted. Thanks again! ~riley (talk) 04:39, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

@~riley: No worries. I checked myself using the edit summary search tool and couldn't find any other affected pages either. Graham87 05:00, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy New Year Graham87!

Happy New Year!

Hello Graham87:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve the encyclopedia for Wikipedia's readers, and have a happy and enjoyable New Year! Cheers, Donner60 (talk) 06:56, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks (static)}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.

Larry Sanger's article

I'm currently trying to get Larry Sanger to featured status (ideally before January 15, 2021, but that's another matter); I know it's not particularly close to being an FA at the moment, but I was wondering if you'd like to take a look through it and note any improvements that could be made to it. Thanks for your consideration!

Regards,

– John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 05:48, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

@John M Wolfson: Thanks for considering me, but I'm not really inclined to do this and I'm not the best person for it anyway. I have very little direct experience with the featured article process and I don't know much about Larry anyway. I'm more a nuts-and-bolts copyeditor, and I notice from a quick look at your talk page that the article's just had one of those. Graham87 06:01, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Fair enough. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 06:02, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100428/1153439220.shtml This blog is a BLP violation.

There is proof of mass policy violations on the talk page and you are continuing to dismiss the problems, yet you want it to be a featured article. I don't get it. QuackGuru (talk) 18:50, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Please take this somewhere else. Graham87 01:50, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Sir Joseph John Thomson

Shouldn't that redirect to J. J. Thomson now? Or something? Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 03:56, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

@Headbomb: Oops! Ta for the note; fixed. Graham87 03:59, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Block of Special:Contributions/118.208.77.2?

I just looked at those contributions, and I really can't see what's promotional about them. Certainly not anything that warrants a block here. Are there deleted revs, or is that it? Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:00, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

@Headbomb: That was it. I think there were similar edits from other IP's, but they were no worse than that. Maybe a bit harsh in retrospect ... I'll unblock. Graham87 04:13, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Probably should unblock the editor that just posted above for 'block evasion' too then. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:14, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

@Headbomb: Just noticed your message; I did that. Graham87 04:30, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

i am dreaming of an audio new year greeting

the visual ones are clutzy and cliche - will try to formulate a visual free item in the near future, or at least by next new year - have a good one anyways JarrahTree 04:56, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

@JarrahTree: Hehehe thanks, and the same to you! Graham87 05:35, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Happy new year, Graham, and you too, JarrahTree. Drmies (talk) 05:36, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

I don't go around with new year's greetings but make an exception: the (home-brewed) card is on my talk and leads images 2020, and yes audio, even of our church service singing in English of radiance and light (Angels' Carol) and "clear in the darkness" Christmas Lullaby ([1]). We don't have a recording of Ave Maria (Biebl) which we sang in December, but I like the Chanticleer's 2015 one best, and Graham, that one is without video, just with a pic of a baby looking over his or her mom's naked shoulder, mother looking at the baby. Drmies, you and I are among the first 100 of giving and receiving the lazy thank-you clicks, DYK? ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:19, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda Arendt ... have a great new year too ... the audio is lovely! Drmies, I don't mean to leave you out of getting a reply ... I just don't like to repeat myself ... it's redundant and repetitive. Graham87 09:35, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. I bet you mean the Chanticleer's, while I had silently hoped you'd listen to us first. The music in English is towards the end, - unfortunately not YouTube. I wonder how the broadcaster's page works for you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:45, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Did you know that Chanticleer performed at Unionskirche, Idstein in 2000? They permitted me to take photos during rehearsal, - a lasting impression. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:48, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Nope, I listened to yours first ... I was able to figure out how to play it by finding the progress bar. And I could understand quite a few of the English words, and I quite often have trouble with that sort of thing in classical music, even with choirs from English-speaking countries. Wow, seeing Chanticleer in person must have been incredible! Graham87 10:00, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

(blushing) - thank you, I'll pass that to conductor and singers. Yes, incredible, - Rheingau Musik Festival makes such things possible. I heard the Dunedin Ensemble with the Monteverdi Vespers, impressive, 10 singers, and a (very critical) family member said ours was even more impressive ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Wow! Graham87 11:22, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

hahah

ahhh, listen to what the speaking device does for the links at https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User_talk:Aoziwe what a dismal set of writers...and as for the damned over descriptive wikipedia article, about the episode, ugh squawk gawks - the outback sheesh bloody hell, the outback? what nebulous and dangerous place for the aliens... one only hopes that the second part resolves some very basic problems of physics, and time and space and logic, let alone reality or unreality... JarrahTree 14:19, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

I am sure the late Douglas Adams had part of one of his radio items about reality getting it all wrong - think of it this way, Dr Who elicits the most amazingly complex and erudite analyses from fans and critics, reality hasnt got a chance... JarrahTree 14:35, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

and as we speak, the actual episode article is descended upon and reduced in size, one wonders of the fate of the outback... hehehe JarrahTree 14:41, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

ahhah, I used to know quite a few people with double barrel surnames, I think you might have some squawking ducks at list of unusual deaths JarrahTree 08:54, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

but no, it seems I dont know a duck when I see one, back to the black hole then JarrahTree 09:18, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

List_of_unusual_deaths is definitely now a circus, and I am now taking it off my watch.. JarrahTree 13:13, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

@JarrahTree: I imagine it would be! Fair enough. Graham87 13:47, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Use of rollback

Can you please explain why you used WP:ROLLBACK in this edit? Toddst1 (talk) 04:39, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

@Toddst: Point #5 of the relevant guideline applies here. I was reverting extreme overcategorisation by an IP user. Graham87 04:44, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Graham.

Hi Graham. I just found you and what does your title mean. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78uijiklrg (talk • contribs) 20:24, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

there indeed is a story

The Ironclad Hotel is indeed a story... JarrahTree 14:10, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

The reason for the qualifier is the insidious 'usage' of the word where milhist and inhabitants of the pacific atlantic hindrance self own the term as to their weird ships of the past - but hey, nothing like a hatnote for ironclad ships see ..xxxx JarrahTree 14:14, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

I'd bet ( a middy) that somewhere in the dregs of milhist inconsequentialia that there was an indeed ironclad ship that got the nickname of the 'ironclad hotel' - you gotta give it to them when you see the names of things and all the rest in milhist... JarrahTree 14:19, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Math Markup

Hi Graham

I hope you're keeping well.

Please could I rouble you to take a look at the two discussions listed at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Accessibility#MathML and comment on them if you have any relevant experience?

Or, if not you, perhaps you can recommend someone else? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:13, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: Yes, I'm going well, and I trust you are too. I did find that note ... I know a little bit about it but I'd have no idea where one would find a reliable source evaluating its accessibility; I also don't know anyone else who could help out with this. Graham87 13:59, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Pauley Perrette

I saw you page moves on this article, but I can't see what you did (not an admin). Can you help me understand what you did? Just curious. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 18:06 on January 23, 2020 (UTC)

@Neutralhomer: I moved the first two edits, which just contained the text "hello how are you?" and then a speedy deletion tag, to Pauley Perrette/Temp2. They were deleted as soon as they were made in May 2005, over a month before the actual Pauley Perrette article was created, but were accidentally undeleted and intermingled with the real article revisions in 2009 (I just quickly restored and redeleted the "Temp2" revisions to verify this ... long story why that works). The history of the Pauley Perrette article now starts in July 2005 again, as it should. Graham87 02:55, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Okie Dokie, I was just curious what you did. I figured it was gnome-ish work, but I wasn't sure. :) Thanks for the explanation. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:00 on January 24, 2020 (UTC)

Regarding Banff National Park / Peyto Lake temp closure in 2020

Graham, thank you so much for taking the time to find an acceptable solution. I am truly grateful for your diplomatic and positive contributions to Wikipedia (and my day!) Much appreciated. Pulsatilla37 (talk) 20:51, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

hahaha

not only that, gunzburg and austin claim we was a successful businessman in Victoria and Tasmania and railway contractor before he got to wa (sigh)

"LAUNCESTON". The Mercury. Tasmania, Australia. 8 January 1885. p. 3. Retrieved 31 January 2020 – via Trove.

thanks for the link -A widow and five children are left. Mr. Neil McNeill, the well-known identity of Western Australia, now in England - so that's the father's funeral - 1896 young neil would be off seeking investors funds in the uk - that makes sense JarrahTree 03:07, 31 January 2020 (UTC)