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Kvartovi

Pa što si sad stavio inbox za Novo Naselje kad ono ne postoji kao politički pojam? Mislim glupo je. Ne treba da tamo budu predsednici mesnih zajednica, jer oni nisu predsednici Novog Naselja. Rekoh već da je bolje da pišeš članke o mesnim zajednicama pa tamo stavljaj šablone ako hoćeš. PANONIAN (talk) 23:14, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

E Gorane, stvarno te lepo molim da ne mešaš kvartove sa mesnim zajednicama. Napiši lepo članak o mesnim zajednicama i tamo pomeni sve predsednike, površinu, itd, ali nemoj u člancima o kvartovima da pišeš o mesnim zajednicama ili prosto rečeno da mešaš babe i žabe. Jel ok? PANONIAN (talk) 23:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, kažem ti da se granice mesnih zajednica i kvartova u najvećem broju slučajeva ne podudaraju (negde se podudaraju, ali na drugim mestima ne). Pošto bi bilo zanimljivo da imamo i članak o mesnim zajednicama (mene to zanima, ali o tome nemam podatke, pa ako ti imaš podatke trebalo bi to da napišeš), ja ti predlažem da napišeš nov članak koji će se zvati Local communities of Novi Sad, gde ćeš nabrojati sve mesne zajednice, napisati imena njihovih predsednika i drugo što znaš o njima. Ako budeš posle hteo i da pišeš posebne članke o njima, slobodno to uradi. Što se tiče kvartova, oni su ovde pomenuti kao neformalne (neslužbene, nezvanične) teritorije i stvarno je glupo da sad pišemo da oni imaju predsednike, itd. Što se tiče podataka o broju stanovnika kvartova, te podatke možeš ubaciti u članke i da ne praviš tabele. Što se tiče samih tabela, ako baš hoćeš da u člancima o kvartovima budu neke tabele, nisam skroz protiv toga, ali onda nemoj ubaciti takvu tabelu koju koristimo za opštine (jer bi onda neko mogao da pomisli da su i to opštine), već radije neku drugu tabelu, recimo sličnu onoj u članku Sremska Kamenica, koja je primerenija za tu svrhu. Što se Rotkvarije tiče, ako Rotvarija i Žitni Trg nisu isto, onda napiši poseban članak o Žitnom Trgu a poseban o Rotkvariji (ne možemo imati jedan članak o dva različita pojma, to je protiv prakse Vikipedije). Zamisli da napišemo onda i članak koji će se zvati "Petrovaradin and Sremska Kamenica"? :)) PANONIAN (talk) 14:04, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

E da, inače u knjizi "Brevijar ulica Novog Sada" ima mapa kvartova Novog Sada, i tu Rotkvarija uključuje sve ono što uključuje i na mapi koju sam ja nacrtao, odnosno i ono što ti zoveš Rotkvarijom i ono što zoveš Žitnim Trgom. Prema tome, Žitni Trg bi onda bio deo Rotkvarije, kao što je Satelit deo Novog Naselja. Dakle, članak Rotkvarija onda treba da ostane kakav jeste, ali bi se mogao napisati Nov o Žitnom Trgu. I ukoliko napišeš članak o mesnim zajednicama, bilo bi dobro i ako imaš mapu mesnih zajednica da je ubaciš tu. PANONIAN (talk) 16:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Rotkvarija

E Gorane, malo sam ovo istražio i našao da su Rotkvarija i Žitni Trg sinonimi i da se odnose na potpuno isto područje. U knjizi "Brevijar ulica Novog Sada" ima mapa gde je celo to područje označeno kao Rotkvarija, a u generalnom urbanističkom planu Novog Sada iz 1985 godine, potpuno isto područje je označeno kao Žitni Trg. Dakle, to su dva imena za isti kvart, pa je najbolje da nam ostane jedan članak za njih pod nazivom Rotkvarija (Žitni Trg), kao što je slučaj i kod Novog Naselja koje ima dva imena. PANONIAN (talk) 15:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Pa rekoh ti da staviš infobox ako hoćeš u članke o kvartovima ali neki koji ne liči na infoboxe opština. Ma dobro, ako hoćeš stavi i one što si stavio pre, ali imam dve primedbe: 1. predsednike mz ne treba pominjati tu, i 2. te mape kvartova koje praviš mi se ne sviđaju - ako na primer obojiš u crveno kvart o kome je članak, onda na tom crvenom napiši i ime kvarta jer je glupo da imena svih drugih kvartova na mapi pišu, a da samo ne piše ime tog kvarta koji je osenčen. I o kakvim "General References" govoriš? PANONIAN (talk) 04:40, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Pa šta konkretno predlažeš da treba uraditi sa tim referencama? Ja ne vidim da tu treba nešto sređivati. PANONIAN (talk) 15:01, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Kod članka o mesnim zajednicama mislim da nisi dobro napisao dva prezimena: Poletanovič i Aszrdžić. Ja sam to prepravio u Poletanović i Asurdžić, ali proveri da li je to dobro. PANONIAN (talk) 15:28, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Šablon

Ako u šablonu napišemo "municipality president" onda šablon postaje suviše velik i preklapa sadržaj u člancima. Reč "mayor" se takođe u engleskom može koristiti da to označi, a koristi se i u srpskom - pogledaj na primer ovaj cesidov sajt gde se koristi reč "gradonačelnik" za predsednike opština: http://www.cesid.org/lokalni2004/rezultati.jsp?opstina=70084 Dakle, ništa tu nije pogrešno, a u pitanju je estetika članaka. PANONIAN (talk) 14:58, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Copy from Template:Serbian Universities

Pursuant to Serbian Law on Higher Education, no faculties are able to operate without being a member of an university. As such, private faculties listed here are either:

• Part of a university, so they do not belong on this list, however their univeristy does, or;
• Non-compliant to Law on Higher Education, and as such, without licence, so again, they do not belong on this list.

I'd like to ask a clarification from the editor who included these faculties on the list. Copy forwarded to user's talk page. Regards, Meelosh 15:09, 14 November 2006 (UTC).

Infobox

Ако мислиш да треба да се промени нешто око шаблона, онда немој то мени говорити, него покрени расправу овде. Могао би да обавестиш Дују и ПАНОНИЈАН-а, јер се они доста интересују за то. Само бих те молио да не мењаш без договора ствари о којима смо дуго расправљали и да их притом "факапираш" (случајно си избацио мапу Србије која приказује где је општина). Иначе, немам нешто посебно против твога предлога, мада лоше изгледа и подразумева се да су то општине (пише у првој реченици у сваком чланку). // estavisti 20:18, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Pa Estavisti je rekao već ovde, dugo smo se dogovarali kako ti šabloni da izgledaju, pa tako i oko eventualnih izmena šablona treba da se dogovorimo, a ne da svako menja te šablone stalno i da svako stavlja koji se njemu sviđa. Dakle, ovaj šablon što si ti stavio u članak Novi Sad uopšte nije predviđen za gradove Srbije (Novi Sad na primer nema "seal", već "coat of arms" i u "tvom" šablonu uopšte nije postojao link do članka o grbu Novog Sada). Dakle, ako misliš da postojeći šablon koji je u članku Novi Sad ne valja, onda reci šta misliš da ne valja, pa ćemo napraviti novi šablon i zameniti ovaj (ali taj novi treba da bude stvar dogovora). U svakom slučaju, ja, Estavisti i Duja smo već razgovarali o tome i zaključili da bi trebalo napraviti jedan šablon za sva 4 grada u Srbiji - Novi Sad, Beograd, Niš i Kragujevac. PANONIAN (talk) 17:18, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, napravi nov infobox, ali ga nemoj odmah staviti u članak, već ga stavi prvo na ovu stranu za razgovor: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_Serbia_municipality Tako da bismo mogli da prodiskutujemo šta tu eventualno treba menjati. Što se general references u NS textu tiče, ja ne znam kako da napravim da izgledaju kao footnotes, tako da moraš pitati nekog ko to zna. :) PANONIAN (talk) 17:30, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Pa nisu sve te reference korišćene za pisanje članka. Neke jesu, ali neke su stavljene samo kao "further reading". Kad budem imao vremena mogu povezati one reference koje sam koristio u tekst, ali to je velik posao za koji sada baš nemam puno vremena. PANONIAN (talk) 17:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Samo što se tiče ovog "daljeg čitanja", engleska Vikipedija nije ograničena samo na englesko govorno područje, već je čitaju i ljudi koji govore druge jezike, pa ne vidim zašto tu ne bi mogle da stoje i reference na drugim jezicima koje ti ljudi lako mogu pronaći i pročitati. PANONIAN (talk) 00:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Petrovaradin

Prema mapi kvartova koju imam, granica između Starog i Novog Majura je ulica Božidara Adžije, Stari Majur je od Podgrađa Tvrđave pa do te ulice, a Novi Majur je od te ulice pa prema Sremskim Karlovcima. Te zgrade za koje pitaš su u Novom Majuru, ali ne znam da li taj kvart gde su zgrade ima još neki poseban naziv. PANONIAN (talk) 18:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Demografija NS

E, ajde molim te nemoj menjati članak jedno sat vremena da dodam reference u članak. Ok? PANONIAN (talk) 00:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, završio sam sa člankom, samo što se tiče te tabele, ako supplement napišeš iza broja onda se spoji sa brojem, pa ga je bolje napisati kod godine. Inače, pošto se svi brojevi iz tabele odnose na Novi Sad bez Petrovaradina i Kamenice, onda i ovaj broj iz 2002 u tabeli treba da bude samo taj, a ovaj sa Petrovaradinom i Kamenicom je bolje da ostane samo u napomeni. Što se tiče tih referenci, možeš ih slobodno sve staviti pod naslov "Further reading", jer većina njih tu spada. Manji deo koji ne spada možemo lako i kasnije povezati u tekst ako neko bude tražio da se nešto posebno citira. Ne vidim što to moramo odmah, a imam mnogo prečih stvari da uradim pre sređivanja tih referenci. PANONIAN (talk) 02:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Redirekti

Ajd pošto voliš da menjaš imena člancima, kad uradiš tako nešto onda treba popraviti i duple redirekte da bi svi vodili na novi naslov članka. Primetio sam da ti nikad ne popravljaš duple redirekte a to je jako važno da se uradi kod promene imena člancima, pa bih te zamolio da ubuduće obratiš pažnju na to. PANONIAN (talk) 15:04, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Odgovor

Pa imaš ovde gde su Mišin Slaš i Pervazovo naselje: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Image:Novi_sad_quarters.png Ja sam tu mapu četvrti već napravio, pa ne vidim šta se tu još novo može prikazati. Inače, Slovačko ime za Rumenku ne znam. Inače, imam jednu sugestiju u vezi ovih mapa što praviš. Na primer ove: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Image:Veternik_map.PNG Ako već mapa pokazuje lokaciju Veternika i ako imena ostalih mesta pišu na mapi onda je jako nepraktično da ne piše i ime Veternika. Jel možeš to da popraviš kod ove i drugih mapa? PANONIAN (talk) 22:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Pa to ti i ja koji znamo gde je Veternik možemo zaključiti da je to Veternik, ali neko što to ne zna će misliti da je to štamparska greška. Pošto ja ne volim da menjam mape koje je neko drugi uradio, onda ti kažem da bi tu trebalo napisati imena mesta koja su predstavljena na mapi, ali ako to ti ne uradiš, uradiću ja. PANONIAN (talk) 14:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, prvo oko mapa, sam ću napisati imena mesta na tim mapama, jer ne vredi raspravljati o tome sa tobom kad uopšte nemaš smisla za estetiku. Što se tiče Marije Terezije, originalni tekst za to je uzet sa srpske Vikipedije, a Habsburški vladari su zvanično imali sve te titule. Mislim da članak o Mariji Tereziji baš i nije neki izvor za te titule, a ja nemam vremena da to tamo popravljam. PANONIAN (talk) 01:28, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

"postal code for Novi Sad proper is 21101, not 21000, a common mistake"

Pa to nije tačno, ja kad pišem moju adresu uvek napišem 21000. PANONIAN (talk) 01:30, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Dakle, poenta sa tim mapama lokacija je da lokacija koja se želi prikazati na mapi treba da bude više istaknuta nego ostale lokacije, a ako imena svih drugih lokacija pišu, samo ne piše ime glavne lokacije, onda je u stvari glavna lokacija manje istaknuta nego sporedne, to nije stvar ukusa već logike. Što se titula tiče, Habsburzi nisu uvek imali iste titule, a spisak titula im se uvek završavao sa "etc, etc", pa ne vidim šta je problem? I šta je konkretno problem sa granicom Podbare? Koristio sam dva izvora za tu granicu. A što se tiče poštanskog broja, u telefonskom imeniku Novog Sada koji je izdala pošta, poštanski broj Novog Sada je 21000. Zašto bi to napisali ako nije tako? PANONIAN (talk) 22:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Crkve

Pre svega, veoma je diskutabilno koje je najznačajniji religiozni objekat u gradu. Na primer Milorad Grujić u knjizi "Vodič kroz Novi Sad i okolinu" u poglavlju o crkvama prvo piše o sabornoj pravoslavnoj crkvi pa tek onda o katoličkoj crkvi Ime Marijino (ako ne veruješ pronađi tu knjigu u biblioteci ili knjižari pa se uveri sam). I što se još zanimljivije, u toj knjizi se nalazi veoma slična fotografija saborne crkve na kojoj se vidi samo njen toranj kao i u našem članku. Što se autorskih prava tiče, na Vikipediji ne postoje autorska prava, a uostalom i ti si iskasapio neke članke koje sam originalno ja pisao, pa šta ja sada treba na to da kažem? Inače nisi rekao zašto si potpuno obrisao sliku saborne crkve danju? PANONIAN (talk) 01:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Ne znači da autor polazi samo od toga koga ima više u gradu (što isto nije nebitan faktor), jer za određivanje značaja nekog objekta postoje i drugi faktori kao što su starost i umetnička vrednost, a ne samo veličina ili lokacija, a pošto se ja ne razumem toliko u umetničnu vrednost objekata (a verujem da se ne razumeš ni ti), nema razloga da smatram Grujićev rad pogrešnim u vezi ovog pitanja. Da li neki drugi članak na Vikipediji to prikazuje ovako ili onako je opet najmanje bitno za ovu temu, jer kako će neki članak izgledati zavisi od slučaja do slučaja. Što se slike saborne crkve tiče, ja opet mislim da je ona druga slika bolja od tvoje, ali nemam nameru da zbog toga obrišem tvoju sliku (ne vidim zašto obe ne mogu biti tamo). A ako ti kvalitet slike smeta, i toranj prikazuje deo arhitekture, pa ne vidim zašto ne bi mogao da predstavlja tu arhitekturu ovde, a rekoh ti već, ako nađeš bolju sliku koja pokazuje celu crkvu, slobodno je stavi umesto ove. I ne bih se baš složio da si prepravljao samo klice od mojih tekstova (na primer sutra će mi trebati sat vremena da sredim članak Telep koji si sada menjao jer iz tvojih izmena znam dve stvari: 1. uvek obrišeš bar deo nečega što sam ja pisao, i 2. uvek napraviš gomilu gramatičkih grešaka u tekstu koji dodaš. Jebi ga, ali tako je). PANONIAN (talk) 02:01, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Ako je problem bila slika šatora, to sam rešio: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Image:Church_ns05.jpg Što se tiče redosleda, našao sam čak 4 izvora koji sabornu pravoslavnu crkvu pominju pre katoličke crkve:

• Milorad Grujić, Vodič kroz Novi Sad i okolinu, Novi Sad, 2004. (Ovde je katolička crkva pomenuta na drugom mestu iza saborne pravoslavne crkve).
• Jovan Mirosavljević, Novi Sad - atlas ulica, Novi Sad, 1998. (isto kao kod prethodnog izvora).
• Zoran Rapajić, Novi Sad bez tajni, Beograd, 2002. (ovde se katolička crkva pominje tek na 8 mestu posle 7 pravoslavnih crkava).
• Novi Sad 2004, Sekretarijat za informacije skupštine grada Novog Sada, Novi Sad, 2004. (ovo je službena publikacija skupštine grada i tu se crkva Ime Marijino pominje tek na 10 mestu, posle svih pravoslavnih crkava i tri druge katoličke).

Dakle toliko o tome šta ti lično smatraš najznačajnijim objektom, a šta o tome kaže literatura. PANONIAN (talk) 02:23, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Bulevar

Pa otkud ti uopšte ideja da pišeš članak o ulici? I šta sada da radimo? Imamo dva članka sa gotovo istim sadržajem. U stvari ne vidim da članak o ulici nudi bilo šta novo osim imena članka i potpuno nepotrebne kategorije "Streets and squares in Novi Sad". Moja je osnovna ideja bila da napišem članak o Bulevaru kao gradskoj četvrti, jer svaka četrvrt NS treba da ima članak. Ni na kraj pameti mi nije bilo da pišem članke o bilo kojoj ulici i da je Bulevar samo ulica ja taj članak sigurno ne bih napisao. Dalje: potpuno sam protiv da bilo koji članak govori o dve različite stvari pa ma šta one bile, u konkretnom slučaju, članak treba da bude ili o ulici ili o kvartu, ili da budu dva članka o svakom o ova dva pojma. Pošto sada imamo dva članka sa gotovo identičnim sadržajem, onda zaista ne znam šta se ovde može uraditi. Ja bi lično od članka "Bulevar oslobođenja" napravio redirekt na članak "Bulevar", kategoriju "Streets and squares in Novi Sad" bih predložio za brisanje kao nepotrebnu, a u članku "Bulevar" bih napravio podnaslov "Bulevar oslobođenja", gde bi ako baš hoćeš mogao nešto da napišeš i o samoj ulici kao delu te gradske četvrti. Imaš li ti drugo rešenje za problem? PANONIAN (talk) 15:10, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Dobro, da li ćeš ti napisati članke o nekim ulicama, to je drugo pitanje, ali treba da postoji tekst o Bulevaru kao gradskoj četvrti i taj članak treba da bude samo o četvrti. Dakle, ako već postoji članak o Bulevaru kao četvrti (koji takođe obuhvata i ulicu), zašto onda pisati i poseban članak o ulici? Po meni postoje 2 rešenja za ovaj problem: 1. ili da imamo jedan članak koji će pisati o obe stvari, ali ipak imati težište samo na jednoj od njih i 2. da postoje oba članka ali da pri tom nemaju identičan sadržaj. Dakle, nisi mi odgovorio kako ti vidiš rešenje ovog problema? PANONIAN (talk) 22:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I još nešto: apsolutno nije tačno da "sve što se nalazi u četvrti Bulevar se dešava i nalazi u ulici Bulevar oslobođenja" jer ljudi koji smatraju da žive u četvrti Bulevar ne žive nužno u samoj ulici, nego i u susednim ulicama koje se nalaze oko bulevara. Pojam Bulevar je mnogo širi nego Bulevar Oslobođenja. PANONIAN (talk) 22:38, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Arhiviraću stranicu kad stignem. Dakle, da li se slažeš da je gradska četvrt mnogo važniji pojam od ulice? I drugo, u pitanju je pre svega geografski a ne istorijski članak pa ne vidim značaj priče "o bulevaru kao ulici, koji je posle izgradnje dobio drugačije značenje", jer mi pišemo o današnjem vremenu kad Bulevar IMA drugačije značenje, a sve ostalo spada u sekciju "History" u članku Bulevar. I pošto je stvarno glupo da imamo dva ista teksta, predlažem dva rešenja: 1. ili da od članka Bulevar oslobođenja napravimo redirekt na članak Bulevar ili 2. da veći deo sadržaja iz članka Bulevar oslobođenja uklonimo (jer se već nalazi u članku bulevar) i da taj članak napišemo ponovo ali tako da ima potpuno drugačiji sadržaj. PANONIAN (talk) 22:59, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

U redu, slažem se. Pošto članak Bulevar već ima većinu onoga što si rekao, onda mu samo treba dodati kategoriju za ulicu i napraviti redirekt od drugog članka. Hoćeš ti to da uradiš ili ću ja? PANONIAN (talk) 23:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok

Ok I agree too Jagoda 1 02:19, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

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Petrovaradin

Dobro, sačekaču da završiš pa ću onda vratiti one tvoje izmene koje se odnose na pretvaranje spiskova u tekst, jer su spiskovi mnogo pregledniji. PANONIAN (talk) 17:34, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Po kom pravilu se ovde pišu rečenice? Tvom? Spiskovi su mnogo pregledniji i korisniji čitaocima i ja kad nešto tražim uvek to lakše nađem u spisku nego da se ubijem čitajući dugačke tekstove dok to ne nađem. PANONIAN (talk) 17:40, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Pa nije tačno da ti članci nemaju spiskove, čak i kod članka Novi Sad su mesta iz novosadske opštine u spisku, a ti si ih u članku Petrovaradin pretvorio u tekst. PANONIAN (talk) 17:50, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Novi Sad

Goran, I asked PANONIAN about the issue, he agrees with me. First of all, we have adapted a type of map to be used for ALL municipalities in Serbia, Novi Sad is no exception. Your map is very good, I have left it in more important articles, but removed it from smaller villages, because there is no need for it. I am making these interactive maps for all the municipalities of Serbia, my source is the government of Serbia municipality map, I will make no exceptions for any municipality. I see you live in Novi Sad, don't take is personally, but Novi Sad is no exception. I hope you understand. :) --GOD OF JUSTICE 21:25, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Ne, iz prostog razloga sto tvoja mapa nije interaktiva i ne podudara se sa sablonom koji je ustanovljen. Molim te prestani da revertujes, jer mi veliki posao predstoji i ne bih da me ometas u radu. Tvoja mapa je OK i ako insistiras da bude dve mape mozes tvoju ubaciti u galeriji pri dnu clanka o manjim selima. Kod vecih mesta, kao sto vidis, nisam menjao tvoju mapu. Takodje, ovo je poslednji put da ti se obracam na srpskom, a od tebe ocekujem da mi se obracas na engleskom, because this is English Wikipedia and here I like to speak in English. --GOD OF JUSTICE 21:33, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

First of all, calm down. My sources are reliable: http://www.srbija.sr.gov.yu/uploads/dokumenti/teritorijalna_podela.pdf and the map is not false, it is perfectly good. Now, you removed my template even in places where there was only PANONIAN's map, which is identical to mine, but mine is interactive - this is vandalism. Please stop it. --GOD OF JUSTICE 21:36, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, I see you did some major work on Infobox Serbian City, and I hope you agree with me that there should be one type of template for these interactive maps - this is why I don't want any changes in any maps, I want them all to be in the same style. And I repeat, YOUR MAP IS EXCELLENT, and I have left it in major articles, but the smaller articles do not need that, and if you still want it there, I agree on adding it to the gallery, but stop removing my map. --GOD OF JUSTICE 21:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Is everything OK now? --GOD OF JUSTICE 21:42, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I know your map is more precise, thats not the point! We have to keep it simple. But OK, give me 5 minutes, and I'll see what I can do, OK? Just don't go off reverting while I'm gone, OK? :) --GOD OF JUSTICE 21:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Thats what I just did, I added all the stuff that your map has, but in colors similar to my map. Now, we just need to adjust the village and city names :) --GOD OF JUSTICE 21:55, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Are we OK now? Maybe you could adjust the city and village names a bit, if you feel like helping out. I think this is a reasonable compromise, don't you? :) --GOD OF JUSTICE 22:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Your map will NOT be used, because it is DIFFERENT in style from the other maps. It looks better if all of the maps are similar, so that users can find what they want more simply (hence the "lets keep things simple"). So, I hope you can see the border now, and I'll make the gaps between Futog-Veternik-Novi Sad-Petrovaradin-Sremska Kamenica smaller, like on your map. A coat of arms of the largest city is used in every template. --GOD OF JUSTICE 22:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

You know, for a guy with a lot of knowledge on the issue, you're a really lazy guy, can't you make edits yourself, or is it too much work? I will not change the coat of arms and flag, it has been agreed upon, and it will stay - for all the municipalities in Serbia. The coat of arms represent the main city, the flag the country the municipality is in - no autonomy is suggested. I will not add "City of..." because then I'd have to add that to every single city, and it is pointless because when you click on Novi Sad, you'll see it's a city. Keeping it simple.. :) --GOD OF JUSTICE 22:49, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I trust that everything is OK now? --GOD OF JUSTICE 23:57, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

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Znaš li kojoj mesnoj zajednici pripadaju Pejićevi Salaši? PANONIAN (talk) 17:27, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Bangladeš je izvan grada, na putu prema Rumenci. PANONIAN (talk) 16:23, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Jeste, to je Lipov Gaj, pored fudbalskog kluba u Veterniku. Računa se u Veternik, ali ga mnogi smatraju posebnim. PANONIAN (talk) 14:27, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Why are you asexual?

I mene i mog momka pojede znatizhelja. Something very odd must have happened to you :) (Actually, I just wanted to say zdravo, but this turned out to be a crappy comment, I know. Will be back to doing Bosnian election articles and keeping my mouth shut!) :D FreshBreeze 10:28, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I didn't say that there's anything wrong with being asexual. (Again, it was a very bad way to start up a discussion, but anyway...) It's just that I find having intercourse very appealing - and couldn't possibly imagine living a day of my life without it. But I'll leave that to some private discussions ;) Ja sam iz Engleske, ali sam dosta dugo (u nekom proslom i tuznijem zivotu) zivio u BiH, tako da se snalazim u razlicitim kodovima srednjejuznoslavenskog dijalektnog kontinuuma. Javi se! FreshBreeze 12:35, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey, did I say something wrong? :( Didn't want to prepadnem you. FreshBreeze 00:13, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Me and my Serbian :(

You may be learning English, but I'm trying to retain Serbian, which is harder than it sounds when you don't even speak it at home anymore :( it's quite sad really... I went to Novi Sad for the 1st time in 11 yrs this summer, and was embarassed to speak Serbian... I'll say 'pecina' instead of 'pec', and screw up the padeze, and stupid little stuff like that... I'm fluent, but every once in a while, I'll make one of those really embarassing mistakes that makes me want to hide under a rock. English is a much simpler language (only the pronounciation can be hard at times) and makes you forget just how complicated Serbian can be. Stop The Lies 10:02, 20 December 2006 (UTC)Stop_The_Lies

I was actually born in Vrbas, but immediately moved to Novi Sad, where I grew up until 1995 and then moved to Vancouver, Canada. Vancouver is an awesome city, and you will be seeing a lot of it in 2010: 2010 Winter Olympics :) I cannot possibly contribute to any Serbian articles because not only is my Serbian bad, but everything that I can possibly know about Serbia or Serbian culture/people has been said hehe.. oh well... I'll never forget the language, but it would take a few months of living in Serbia to get me back to how I was when I was younger. Stop The Lies 10:09, 22 December 2006 (UTC)Stop_The_Lies

Suburbs of Novi Sad

Po definiciji koju sam našao na sajtu zavoda za urbanizam Novog Sada, metropolitensko područje grada obuhvata ona naselja koja su fizički spojena sa gradom. Sledeće, ti Novi Sad upoređuješ sa svetskim metropolama koje se nazivaju megalopolisi, a to je kao da sabiraš babe i žabe. Međutim, ako ćeš u članku Suburbs of Novi Sad pomenuti naselja iz susednih opština koja gravitiraju Novom Sadu, ne vidim problem sa tim, ali se nikako ne bih složio da na primer članak Temerin ubaciš u kategoriju "Suburbs of Novi Sad". PANONIAN (talk) 02:37, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Pa ne slažem se baš da sabereš podatke za Grad Novi Sad i tri susedne opštine i da taj broj napišeš kao "metropolitan area", jer bi to bio potpuno proizvoljan broj - znači broj koji ne odgovara administrativnoj strukturi i koji proizilazi iz sasvim proizvoljnog tumačenja pojma "metropolitan area". Oni primeri koje si dao kao Greater Helsinki ili Chicagoland su potpuno drugačiji slučajevi od Novog Sada, jer se tu radi o više-manje ustaljenim pojmovima, dok ja baš nikad nisam čuo da neko zove Temerin ili Beočin velikim Novim Sadom. Inače poseti sajt zavoda za urbanizam, ne znam sad tačno gde se na tom sajtu to nalazi, ali tamo lepo piše da metropolitensko područje grada uključuje samo nekoliko mesta koja su spojena fizički sa gradom. Uostalom, ako ćemo već tako proizvoljno tumačiti pojam "metropolitan area", zašto i sam Novi Sad ne bi bio predgrađe Beograda? Dakle, svakakva tumačenja su moguća u vezi toga, i zato je najbolje se lepo držati administrativne strukture i neće biti greške. Znači, ne slažem se da u infoboxv stavljamo proizvoljan broj o metropolitenskom području. Radije u poglavlje "Suburbs" napiši da ljudi iz južnobačkog okruga gravitiraju Novom Sadu i tu možeš napisati koliko okrug ima stanovnika, ali to se ipak ne zove "Greater Novi Sad", već južnobački okrug, pa se dakle ne slažem ni sa korišćenjem tog termina, pogotovo ne za pravljenje članka o njemu. Ako ćeš već napisati nov članak onda nek se zove "Suburbs of Novi Sad". Što se poštanskog broja tiče, u telefonskom imeniku Novog Sada koji je izdala pošta, piše da je poštanski broj Novog Sada 21000, pa zaista ne razumem odakle ti ideja da taj poštanski broj ne postoji. PANONIAN (talk) 13:36, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Inače, članak Čortanovci sam napisao, ali ako ćeš ga dopunjavati, onda dodaj ono što želiš, ali tako da ne menjaš ovo što sam ja pisao, da ne moram da te revertujem opet. :)) PANONIAN (talk) 13:47, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Nisam stigao pre da ti odgovorim, mislim da na sajtu urbanizma imaš neke urbanističke planove, pa tamo piše o metropolitenskom području grada (ne znam međutim da li su ti planovi još tamo, bili su ranije). A što se tiče poštanskog broja, to je lepo objasnio Duja na mojoj stranici za razgovor, pa ako to još nisi pročitao, pogledaj. PANONIAN (talk) 04:25, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

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Yes, I checked the source. Don't know why I was convinced of the contrary, so... sorry. You could semi-protect it, so unnamed users could refrain to add it: but it's temporary, you must expect that the jerks' mother is always pregnant... Instructions in its page. Bye. --Attilios 21:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

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Tabela

Znam za tu tabelu u članku o Temišvaru (ja sam je čak i dopunjavao), međutim ona je teško primenljiva u člancima o nekim mestima Vojvodine, gde imamo podatke koji nisu uporedivi - na primer sa jednog popisa imamo podatke o etničkoj pripadnosti, sa drugog o jeziku, sa trećeg o veroispovesti, itd, a to se teško može sve staviti u jednu tabelu. E, i još nešto: primetio sam da u članku Novi Sad uopšte nema slika modernih građevina kao što su NIS-ova zgrada, Sajam, itd, pa ću ih ubaciti nekoliko. PANONIAN (talk) 12:41, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

U stvari, zeznuo sam se, ima par slika, ali sam gledao članke o nekim drugim gradovima u kojima ima mnogo više slika modernih građevina - a nije loše prikazati grad i u tom svetlu. PANONIAN (talk) 12:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Pa ja trenutno nemam baš vremena da fotografišem, zaposlio sam se nedavno, pa ne mogu baš sve stići, uradi ti neke slike, ali gledaj da slikaš neke najmodernije zgrade, jer to je ono što fali članku. :)) PANONIAN (talk) 12:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

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Bač, Serbia

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Novi Sad

Nisam stigao pre da ti odgovorim. Što se Novog Sada tiče, ono što mislim da bi tu još trebalo uraditi je definitivno to da napišemo članke o svim kvartovima Novog Sada. Ja to planiram da uradim, ali pošto takođe nameravam da napišem i članke o svim naseljenim mestima u Vojvodini, ne znam baš kada ću to sve stići, pa bi možda i ti mogao da napišeš neke članke o kvartovima ako te ne mrzi. Što se tiče posebnog teksta za suburbs koji planiraš da napišeš, mislim da bi bilo bolje da proširiš ovaj članak i to napišeš tamo: Neighborhoods of Novi Sad (naravno, možeš mu promeniti ime u "Neighborhoods and suburbs of Novi Sad"), jer bolje je da imamo jedan dobar i dugačak članak, nego dva mala i kratka, s tim da bih ti opet savetovao da dodaš tekst, ali da ne diraš spisak kvartova u članku, jer (iako smo već pričali o tome), ja smatram da spiskovi veoma olakšavaju preglednost i mogućnost da neko nađe ono što traži, a ne vidim zašto članak ne bi mogao imati i tekst i spiskove. Inače, mislim da nemam podatke o zavičajnom poreklu stanovnika Novog Sada. I na šta konkretno misliš u vezi referenci, kad kažeš da nam treba još? Što se tiče infoboxa za opštine Srbije, meni je svejedno da li će ta imena biti dole ili gore, ali zaista ne znam šta za Duju neće biti "ugly and awful". PANONIAN 09:59, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

U redu, gledaću da ubacim te reference u članke kada (i ako) stignem - jednog lepog dana sigurno (a nadam se ove godine). :)) U svakom slučaju, ako neko bude pitao za reference, onda ću ih ubaciti i pre toga. Za sada niko ne pita, pa nema žurbe... PANONIAN 08:32, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Meni je sad malo frka na poslu pa neću stići da se pozabavim člankom; ipak, našao sam solidnu referencu za urbanizam i arhitekturu pa ako stigneš pozabavi se citiranjem:

• Public Utility "Urbanizam" Novi Sad (2006-10-25). "Generalni plan grada Novog Sada do 2021. godine" (zip) (in Serbian). Official Gazette of city of Novi Sad. p. 999. Retrieved 2007-05-31.

Može odatle svašta da se povadi, a dodatni bonus je i što je na srpskom pa može i malo "slobodnije" da se citira ;-) Duja► 08:01, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

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Pa valjda vidiš da sam u članke o četvrtima stavio izvore, uključujući knjige i spoljne linkove. Na kakve još izvore misliš? PANONIAN 10:31, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

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WikiProject Biography Newsletter 5

The Biography WikiProject Newsletter Volume IV, no. 4 - September 2007
Project News The three-month long Summer Assessment Drive, organized by Psychless, was a huge success! It ran from June 1 – September 1, and reduced the backlog of unassessed articles from 113,385 to 56,237. In all, over 100,000 articles were assessed. Over 60 people contributed in some way. A barnstar has been created for exceptional work on Wikipedia biographies and for assisting the project. The Biography Barnstar is listed with the other WikiProject awards and can be awarded easily with a template. See the template page for more details. Member News Congratulations to the editors who worked on the newest featured biographies: Augustus; William Shakespeare; Adriaen van der Donck; Alfred Russel Wallace; Alison Krauss; Anne Frank; Anne of Denmark; Asser; Bart King; Bill O'Reilly; Bobby Robson; Bradley Joseph; CM Punk; Ceawlin of Wessex; Colley Cibber; Cædwalla of Wessex; Dominik Hašek; Elizabeth Needham; Frank Macfarlane Burnet; Georg Cantor; Gregory of Nazianzus; Gunnhild Mother of Kings; Gwen Stefani; Hannah Primrose, Countess of Rosebery; Harriet Arbuthnot; Harry S. Truman; Henry, Bishop of Uppsala; Héctor Lavoe; Ine of Wessex; Ion Heliade Rădulescu; Jack Sheppard; Jackie Chan; Jay Chou; John Martin Scripps; John Mayer; Joseph Francis Shea; Joshua A. Norton; Kate Bush; Kazi Nazrul Islam; Kevin Pietersen; Martin Brodeur; Mary Martha Sherwood; Mary of Teck; Maximus the Confessor; Miranda Otto; Muhammad Ali Jinnah; P. K. van der Byl; Penda of Mercia; Pham Ngoc Thao; Rabindranath Tagore; Ramón Emeterio Betances; Red Barn Murder; Richard Hakluyt; Richard Hawes; Robert Garran; Roman Vishniac; Ronald Niel Stuart; Ronald Reagan; Roy Welensky; Rudolph Cartier; Samuel Adams; Samuel Beckett; Sarah Churchill, Duchess of Marlborough; Sarah Trimmer; Sargon of Akkad; Shen Kuo; Sophie Blanchard; Stereolab; Sydney Newman; Sylvanus Morley; Tim Duncan; Timeline of Mary Wollstonecraft; Uncle Tupelo; Waisale Serevi; Wallis, Duchess of Windsor; Walter Model; William Bruce; William Goebel; Yagan; Zhou Tong; Æthelbald of Mercia; Æthelbald of Mercia New Members Congratulations to our 225 new members	From the Editors The newsletter is back! Many things have gone on during the past few months, but many things have not. While the assessment drive helped revitalize the assessment department of the project, many other departments have received no attention. Most notably: peer review and our "workgroups". A day long IRC meeting has been planned for October 13th, with the major focus being which areas of the project are "dead", what should our goals be as a project, and how to "revive" the dead areas of our project. Contribute to the discussion on the the new channel (see below) We decided to deliver this newsletter to all project members this month but only those with their names down here will get it delivered in the future. This is your newsletter and you can be involved in the creation of the next issue. Any and all contributions are welcome. Simply let yourself be known to any of the undersigned or post news on the next issue's talk page New irc channel Lastly, a new WikiProject Biography channel has been set up on the freenode network: #wikipedia-en-bio Our thanks to Phoenix 15 for setting it up. Contributors to this Issue Psychless (talk · contribs) Phoenix 15 (talk · contribs)
Complete To Do List Write an article Expand an article about: a person an actor an animator an artist a bishop a businessperson a diplomat an educator an engineer a lawyer a military person a musician a photographer a saint a politician a scientist a sportsperson a writer Improve an article by: adding references adding categories Review an article Romano Volta • Suzanne Carrell • Mullá Husayn • John Gilchrist (linguist) • Thomas Brattle • Answer requests for comments Work on the Portal Portal:Biography Assess an article Assessment requests Unassessed articles Assessment Progress Biography articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Core Other ??? Total FA 35 1,634 1,669 FL 205 205 FM 594 594 A 1 131 132 GA 41 8,382 8,423 B 98 40,571 40,669 C 33 172,693 172,726 Start 1 765,095 765,096 Stub 1 1,030,307 1 1,030,309 List 8,199 8,199 Category 1 333,447 333,448 Disambig 11,545 11,545 File 31,230 31,230 Project 181 181 Redirect 3 36,676 36,679 Template 19,392 19,392 NA 1 43,196 43,197 Assessed 215 2,503,478 1 2,503,694 Unassessed 23,930 23,930 Total 215 2,527,408 1 2,527,624 WikiWork factors (?) ω = 10,837,112 Ω = 5.37
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ETŠ Mihajlo Pupin

Ej, mogu li da te zamolim da slikaš školu (ja bih, ali nemam fotoaparat) -- Bojan  10:03, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

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List of war crimes

Hi. As a Serb Wikipedian are you aware that there is absolutely no mention of Ustasha crimes in the List of war crimes?

Something needs to be done. Unfortunately I am not in a position to do so, but I submit it for your consideration. Spread the word. 216.194.20.252 (talk) 22:15, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

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Happy Birthday!

Happy Birthday, Goran.S2/Archive02, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day!

L₂L₂^(talk) 18:14, 25 March 2008 (UTC)