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Walkelin image

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Hi @Godtres, I realised after passing the Wakelin GA review that the image used claims fair use. I should have checked as part of the GA review, and as you may know, the claimed usage is pretty poor. Because it's easy enough for someone else to take an appropriate photo of this or another PD sculpture or image of him, it would not pass WP's requirements ("Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose").

You mentioned that you would be able to take a similar picture on a trip to Winchester, is that still on the cards? Jim Killock (talk) 10:11, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good spot! I've uploaded my image of Walkelin now: it's fairly low-quality and some flowers were in the way when I took it, but the photo should be good enough. Godtres (talk) 17:29, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Barritus

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Hello Godtres, I hope you are doing well. Do you remember me? You reviewed my GAN for Barritus. You had concerns with a source. I have searched for a better reference for that statement both online and offline, but I was unable to find any. Therefore, I have removed that sentence from the article. Could you please take a look and suggest if there are any more problems? I am planning to re-nominate this for GA, and I believe the problems from your GA review are now resolved. Thank you. — DreamRimmer (talk) 18:11, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I've had a look and my main complaint with the article is still that lots of the sources do not match up with the claims made. You will need to go through each citation individually and check it. For example, I think that source 1 refers to it as "baritus", not "barditus" as the article suggests. The fifth use of source 1 does not appear to verify the claim of the article. This is just an example of the wider problem with sourcing in the German article that you translated: I have no doubt that I could still find further inconsistencies in sourcing.
Also, there is some scope to expand the section on etymology, although this is less essential than the sourcing problems.
I hope I've answered your question well enough. Godtres (talk) 22:04, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The source 1 refers to both Baritus and Barditus, but for your verification, I have added another source. You stated, 'The fifth use of source 1 does not appear to verify the claim of the article,' but it actually does. Please check page number 17 of the source. It states, 'They have no battle-songs; when they sing them—calling their songs "barditus"—they inspire themselves for battle, and from the sound, they can already guess the outcome of the impending fight. They believe that depending on how the song turns out, victory will be on their side or on that of the enemy.' I have changed the sentence to 'The strength of the Barritus could predict the potential outcome of the battle.' I hope now this looks good. I have spent many days researching about this subject and will surely expand the article in the future. Waiting for more suggestions. DreamRimmer (talk) 08:21, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, you were right with the "barditus" claim. I was looking at a wrong edition.
The final point, however, is still not supported. I can only read the original Latin (this should be fine, since the German is a translation): "they have also those cries by the recital of which — “barritus” is the name they use — they inspire courage; and they divine the fortunes of the coming battle from the circumstances of the cry. Intimidation or timidity depends on the intonation of the warriors; it seems to them to mean not so much unison of voices as union of hearts; the object they specially seek is a certain volume of hoarseness, a crashing roar, their shields being brought up to their lips, that the voice may swell to a fuller and deeper note by means of the echo."
You'd have to phrase the comment like this: "the troops made predictions on the outcome of the battle based on the nature of the barritus." There's no mention of the strength in the source, nor any suggestion that the barritus actually predicted the outcome correctly. Godtres (talk) 10:10, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The term 'strength' was correct, as both 'nature of the Barritus' and 'strength of the Barritus' logically refer to the same meaning. However, I have rephrased it as you suggested to make it more clear and simple. DreamRimmer (talk) 13:12, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Any response? – DreamRimmer (talk) 01:17, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My general point that the article needs its sourcing overhauled still stands... I had a look at citation 7. I don't speak German, so I personally can't check the individual claims... However, given the source is called "barditus", I'm surprised that it would be citing "baritus" as the form of the word and not "barditus" in the article. I'm not going to keep pointing out potentially broken citations. You need to go through each one individually, and update or replace it.
P.S. There are still some minor comments from the original GA review that you could address. For example, adding information about the potential link to the Latin word for elephant. Godtres (talk) 12:02, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the article, it mentions 'Barritus,' which can also be spelled as 'Barditus,' 'Baritus,' and so on. I've gone through all the sources, and they seem accurate to me. I'm a bit puzzled about what issues you'are seeing with this article. – DreamRimmer (talk) 12:12, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The source is used to cite the spelling "baritus".
If, as you claim, the article (which I can't access) talks about "barritus", then it is used incorrectly.
For good article status, reviewers need to be able to trust that citations are used properly. Godtres (talk) 12:25, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, that was my mistake. I have now fixed it. I understand that reviewer satisfaction is essential. Every nomination has issues, but they are later fixed by nominators following suggestions from reviewers at the GAN page. However, you have failed it immediately, so I have no choice left but to write here on your talk page. Thank you for your time. Now I will take some time to review each source again and message you after a month. – DreamRimmer (talk) 15:42, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Walkelin

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Sir Jonathan Trelawny, 2nd Baronet/Sir Jonathan Trelawny, 3rd Baronet

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The pretitle is necessary if "nth Baronet" is used as a disambiguator. Please see WP:NCPEER. Thanks. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:58, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for spotting my error. I was unaware of the specific details of WP:NCPEER, and agree with you that the articles should remain as they were. Godtres (talk) 15:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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