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Australia national association football team lead

I noticed your recent change to the lead in Australia national association football team. Bolding "Soccceroos" and bringing it to the second sentence in the articles lead seems very pointy. It is specifically done to clarify the terms intended use through the article, which I have argued against. In good faith could you please revert the this while we are discussing the issue on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Football in Australia)#Changes from "Socceroos" to "Australia national association football team".--2nyte (talk) 03:59, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

You appear not to be aware of WP:BOLDTITLE.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 04:01, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

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Height

Relevant discussion started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Height. Giant Snowman 08:26, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm not particularly interested in soccer, but thanks.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 10:23, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

If you're not interested in soccer why do you continue to edit soccer articles and introduce height formats against that WikiProject's consensus? i.e. Jiang Ning‎ earlier today - the discussion above showed there was most support for 'm' to be used as a standard. Giant Snowman 12:07, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Will you please grow up? Please. national-football-teams.com is not a better source than goal.com. --Gibson Flying V (talk) 20:46, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

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Vox3000

Hi. I, like many others are very grateful for your work on all Rugby League orientated sites. Thanks you. (vox3000)

As am I for yours. I left a message on your talk page the other day about sources. The stuff you add appears to be accurate, but it would be great if we could reference it as well. The older the information, the more details in sources tend to conflict. So it's helpful if we can know what the sources are to compare them and choose the most reliable.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 23:16, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi Gibson, I'm sorry that you do not like some of my edits. I believed that my edits were fair and reasonable - adding colour and interest to many Wikipedia entrys that are very dull. It is not my intention to have conflict with you, so I apologise that I have upset you.

Regards, Vox

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Community imposed topic ban

Per a discussion on the administrators' noticeboard you are subject to the following sanction:

Indefinite topic ban from anything height-related on any article related to association football.

You are also reminded that harsher sanctions were suggested in this discussion and it is very likely that the community will impose them if your are the cause of any further disruption. Please review the topic ban policy before making any further edits, as violations will lead to a block. Appeal of this sanction should be made to WP:AN, though I suggest you wait at least three months before doing so. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 13:13, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

User:Callanecc, can I seek clarification from you here on your reasoning for agreeing to this ban? The accusation of disruption seemed to rest entirely upon me being aware of a consensus that cm were unacceptable in soccer-related articles. I maintain that no such consensus ever existed and I want to be assured that you did not close it based on a quick perusal and vote-count. Thanks.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 21:13, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Imposing it wasn't agreeing to it I was assessing the consensus of editors who believed it was it was necessary along with their reasons. Based on the arguments which were made the main reasons were that you were failing to drop the WP:STICK and walk away which had reached the point of being disruptive. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:17, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for replying, User:Callanecc. It's much appreciated. ...the main reasons were that you were failing to drop the WP:STICK and walk away... What does this mean? Can you tell me "where I went wrong" and what exactly should I have done differently?--Gibson Flying V (talk) 05:22, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

No worries. When you've got a number of people, particularly when they are not involved, telling you (or reverting you, or discussing your edits) that there is a consensus against what you're doing or that you need to stop doing something then it can be disruptive to continue doing it and you are liable to be sanctioned to prevent it continuing. Not sure if that makes sense? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:28, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

But doesn't the point of contention get examined to see whether the editor(s) or the reverter(s) has policy, sources and/or consensus on their side?--Gibson Flying V (talk) 05:31, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but those who continue to push their side either while that discussion is on going or after it has been closed is being disruptive. The editors in the AN thread decided that you were being disruptive and needed to be prevented from continuing. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 06:15, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Ok. ...those who continue to push their side either while that discussion is on going or after it has been closed.... Could I ask you to be more specific about how this applied to me? What constituted "pushing my side" and which discussion?--Gibson Flying V (talk) 06:59, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

The comments by Bagumba and Walter Görlitz (among others) show that pretty clearing. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 07:50, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

The comments or the diffs? Which part of Walter Görlitz's comments specifically? And which comment or diff given by Bagumba? And again, which discussion? The one at the Administrator's noticeboard? Or the one at Wikiproject Football?--Gibson Flying V (talk) 08:11, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, in the AN discussion where they both started with Support. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 08:25, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

OK. And as for: The comments or the diffs? Which part of Walter Görlitz's comments specifically? And which comment or diff given by Bagumba? Also, I don't think I edited a single soccer-related article during the AN discussion (or did I?)--Gibson Flying V (talk) 08:29, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

At this point, this discussion doesn't look like it's going anywhere constructive from now (especially considering your "or did I?" comment). The reason for the ban is the consensus in the AN discussion, for the reasons the users have argued there. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 09:26, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

The "or did I?" just meant that if I did, I've forgotten about it. Not at all an attempt to be cheeky or anything. I'm still genuinely baffled by the outcome of that discussion. Of course you don't have to respond helpfully. I just would have appreciated it if you did. I'm not silly, y'know. I'm aware of how that discussion looks to someone who just comes along and peruses the arguments in favour of the ban. But I thought that my responses to those arguments would be read and that the "evidence" of my disruption would be evaluated critically. You say "for the reasons the users have argued there". I'm seeking assurance that those reasons have been duly examined as per Wikipedia:Consensus#Determining_consensus. I apologize if this is annoying for you. I'm sure you can appreciate how frustrating it is for me too.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 09:41, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes I looked at your replies however I found that given editors continued to support the ban (whether new editors voting or after them discussing with you) they didn't find them convincing enough. Nor did I find your replies adequately refuted the reasons and evidence commenting users had supplied. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 09:52, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

For there to be what you describe as a situation in which someone continue[s] to push their side either while that discussion is on going or after it has been closed, there must be some diffs that show this. Could you just give one an example?--Gibson Flying V (talk) 10:09, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm not having the AN discussion with you again. You were banned because there was a consensus to impose the ban. End of story. Appeal is to WP:AN. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 10:13, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't necessarily want to appeal it. I just want to understand it. It seems that the sole reason it resulted in a block is because a number of editors voted support and zero editors voted oppose. I didn't think it was that simple. I thought that having examined the discussion carefully you'd have ready at hand an explanation for why my defence arguments were not convincing.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 10:25, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

...and that was your mistaken belief about the process of a topic ban. Topic bans occur in part when people refuse to drop the stick. Nobody was required to go back and read the previous discussions, because the Topic Ban discussion was more of a "fuck it, he won't stop arguing whether he was right or not". It also became a new-trial on whether you were doing the right thing or not, and the consensus was that no you were not - which now can over-ride any previous discussion. Yet, so many people tried to tell you all of this during the AN discussion - but instead of shutting up, you railed against them ... when ensured more "Support" !votes. Again: no need to review previous discussion; your behaviour in that thread alone ensured you were doomed the panda ɛˢˡ” 16:28, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

If you're interested in having a reality check (though that seems doubtful), see User:Gibson Flying V/Sandbox.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 19:48, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

...and that's how you wish to obtain your first block for violating your topic ban? I warned you once on T13's page ... yet you persist? Do you not get what a topic ban is? (hint, it's NOT an interaction ban as you suggested earlier) the panda ₯’ 21:41, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

More vague threats. You might want to go back and read what I said about topic vs interaction bans. The wording of my topic ban is pretty unambiguous. Not my talk page, nor anyone else's, is under the scope of Wikiproject Football. Either explain how I'm violating my topic ban or shut up about it. You're not doing yourself any favours by carrying on about an obvious non-issue like this.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 22:21, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

So to be clear, User:Callanecc, the reason the proposed topic ban was carried through was not because I'd edited disruptively as claimed, but because some editors supported the ban at the AN discussion whilst none opposed it, and because I did not stop arguing against them there?--Gibson Flying V (talk) 03:57, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Melbourne Storms first mascot (is on his last legs litteraly)

Hi my name is Chris and here is the story of the Storms first mascot. When the storm first started to train at Gosch's paddock back in 98, Ben Anderson began to bring his staffy cross puppy "Jake" with him to training. Jake took a back seat but loved every minute (he told me so) and spent many sessions with the team, those boys will remember. Jake was shall we say was the unofficial mascot. 98 and 99 were amazing years for that young squad under the great Glen Lazarus as we know... Here's where Jake's value becomes apparent. Ben got a contract in the UK and left for greener pastures, Jake had to stay home with Grandpa (Chris Anderson) Melbournes coach and legend in his own right, we all know that. Anyways- Chris gets a new contract (let's not go there)..Jake, he gets a new home with Ben Roarty (99 across the line.. greatest try ever etc), anyhow JAKE is doin just fine with Roarts and his new mum- cheerleader Sonia, when guess what?! Roarts gets a contract with English team Huddersfield, up and leaves to seek his fortune, leaving Jake where? With Darren McIntosh, former AFL reserve player at North Melbourne and brother in law to Roarts. Jake has been responsible for some SERIOUS cattle deals! Back to reality. Jake loses a leg in a ball chasing incident around 2003 and becomes a tripod, this only increases his intensity at the ball and a year later due to unforseen circumstances, Jake changes carers for a fifth time and ends up with my family (I'm Roarts and Maccas other brother in law). Now let's get to the guts of the story. Jake has instilled in him EVERTHING that the first Storm team was all about. Tough? It's not the size of the dog. Determination? Try 11 years one leg down. You want hard? This dog carries 10 inch logs for the fire on three legs and goes back for more... I don't know Jakes exact age or all the details, but there are stories that should be told and his is worth telling. Jake is 16 as far as I can gather, he is almost blind and almost deaf and still as enthusiastic as that first team made him as a pup. Anyone who wants to catch up with Jake, boyd.christos@gmail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.32.83 (talk) 11:54, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Most watched sport on TV in Australia??!!

How can you say that when I provided three links to show otherwise?! Links from the Bureau of Statistics and Roy Morgan. Rugby League is NOT a national sport in Australia and it is hardly an International sport.

Stick to the facts and be honest.

RL is popular in NSW & QLD.

Kara Teh (talk) 09:16, 16 July 2014 (UTC) Kara Teh

As I said in my edit summary, you don't appear to have read the body of the article, incuding the sources. The sources you added are useful and should be incorporated further into Rugby league in Australia (if they're not already). Statements like the above indicate that you're driven by opinion rather than by sources, as is the Wikipedia way. Read more carefully before you edit and your contributions will be taken seriously.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 09:30, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

You don't provide any data to support your statement and accuse me of opinion over facts?! You agree that my sources are useful, so you agree they are correct? The line reads quite clearly that RL in Aus is the most watched sport on TV which is incorrect. I came to this Wiki as I was interested to find out which year RL was created and I trust that the info is correct but when I read a claim like that I got my back up and made the change. All you have to do is to do is adjust the line to make it more accurate and it will be a fine page containing alot of great info on the Great Game of RL. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kara Teh (talk • contribs) 09:45, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Since you refuse to go read for yourself, I'll do you a favour and provide the sources here just this once:

Newstalk ZB (2009-12-21). "League becomes Australia's top sport". TVNZ. New Zealand: Television New Zealand Limited. Retrieved 2009-12-24.
Masters, Roy (1 October 2010). "NRL races ahead in TV viewers stakes". The Sydney Morning Herald.

--Gibson Flying V (talk) 10:08, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

You have got to be joking??!! ONE five year old article from a NZ TV website....... Was RL the most watched sport before? NO. Is it still the most watched sport in AUS? NO. Your Wiki says that RL 'is' the most watched sport in AUS... Wrong! RL is popular in NSW & QLD... Fact! Australia is much more than just NSW & QLD (hard to believe I know)... Fact! Don't demean RL by over stating it's acheivements, it doesn't need it as it has a fine history and place in AUS as it is. People reading Wikis looking for facts and accuracy deserve better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kara Teh (talk • contribs) 10:23, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

The entire WP:Lead of history of rugby league is written in the past tense.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 10:41, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

A very nice side step there! Well done.

Might be written in the past tense but people are reading it today.

RL 'became' the most watched...

Bye bye...

Go Storm! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kara Teh (talk • contribs) 11:36, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

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Disruption by User:2001:8003:440F:9B01:223:32FF:FE9E:4B9F

Hi, please reframe from deleting my changes to the Rugby league page. I made my reasons quite clear and by definition there fact, unless you can explain that there not I will keep on changing it back. If you wish to explain that they are not correct please do so on here, thanks.2001:8003:440F:9B01:223:32FF:FE9E:4B9F (talk) 03:18, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Please read full-contact sport. I trust that my next reversion won't be undone again by you. Thanks.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 03:23, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

July 2014

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Rugby league. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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That's cute. Thank goodness you're here to stop me disrupting Wikipedia. Who knows what I'd get up to if I were left alone!?--Gibson Flying V (talk) 04:32, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 03:14, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

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Re Lions tours

Excellent. I was hoping to find some more pre-interweb sources somewhere. Many thanks. J Mo 101 (talk) 18:15, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Edits

I would never want to ever appear to be disruptive to you, or anybody else. I believe that my editing has added worthwhile information to many dull pages (always with references). I agree with some, but not all of the negative feedback, am I am trying my best to improve Wikipedia with my knowledge.

It's not me you're disagreeing with, User:Vox3000, it's the Wikipedia guidelines I've pointed out to you. Please read them carefully, as well as the notice at the top of this talk page.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 04:04, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Category sorting

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Oops :) thank you.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 09:04, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Knee-jerking?

I will attempt to fix column widths once I am completed updating players statistics.

LINK: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/List_of_Sydney_Roosters_players

KC Roosters 23:26, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Yorkshire Cup - and others

Hi, It’s nice to know someone is taking an interest in my hard work,

I had a quick look at your profile and it refers to the “the greatest game of all”, so I shouldn’t be disagreeing with someone who got that right, and with who I must have something in common

I Notice that you have been altering the introduction wording on my articles, as an example 1927 Yorkshire Cup. However, I disagree with your change to the wording, which now doesn’t make sense.

The Yorkshire cup is a metal article and not an occasion, and it was held by the winning captain/team, the occasion was the date. The articles were rough checked by several friends prior to entering on Wiki, and speaking to them since, they agree that “mine is better than yours”

Maybe my phrasing wasn’t perfect, but rather than both of us playing silly things, changing it backwards and forwards, I would like to hear more of your thoughts on the errors in my phrase I’m sure between us we can come up with the perfect answer, Thanks in anticipation Alan M Alanfromwakefield (talk) 15:39, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Alanfromwakefield. Competent editors in this area are very few and far between, so more are always welcome. I take it this is the edit to which you're referring. I'm surprised that anyone could have a problem with it though, as I was just trying to bring the first paragraph into line with Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section. Also, according to Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Layout#Body_sections, "The number of single-sentence paragraphs should be minimized, since they can inhibit the flow of the text...". "General information for those unfamiliar" did not seem like an appropriate section heading as per WP:TONE, and its contents seemed better suited to the the already-existing section entitled "Background". Also, If you look at the categories the article is in, it no longer sticks out at the front (being sorted by '1928'), but fits in alphabetically with all the others (being sorted by 'Yorkshire Cup'). If you have any other questions I'm happy to address them. Cheers.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 21:30, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Because you thanked me

Gibson Flying V, you thanked me for one of my recent edits, so here is a heart-felt...
YOU'RE WELCOME!
It's a pleasure, and I sincerely hope that you enjoy your continued improvement of this inspiring encyclopedia! – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX!

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AFD

HI I noticed that you commented on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Australia at the team sports international competitions due to an edit conflict a number of other associated articles where included after your comment, if you wish to alter or clarify your position in relation to this discussion as a whole please respond there. Gnan garra 09:38, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Information Source

Can you tell me where you got the information for these players.

LINK: https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=List_of_Sydney_Roosters_players&diff=623837843&oldid=623835033
KC Roosters — Talk 11:55, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

No worries, KC Roosters: nrlstats.com. I just put the surname into the 'player search' box.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 20:31, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the additions. Good find with Stephen Kane's Work. Just a reminder, can you be careful when editing the list, you changed the en dash for Brian Horne to a hyphen.
KC Roosters — Talk 03:45, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Off Topic Question: Do you know if there is a way of turning off the AFCH error: user not listed popup. I know that you can click on it and it will disappear but I would like to know if there is a way turning it off permanently.
KC Roosters — Talk 04:04, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Nope, KC Roosters. No idea about that, sorry.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 04:10, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Ray Warren and Son

Better late then never, I suppose. [1]. I've added the more specific ref to Chris Warren (rugby league) too, so it's quite clear Ray Warren is that Chris Warrens' father.--220 of ^Borg 06:21, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Good stuff :) (My user name used to be Jeff79)--Gibson Flying V (talk) 08:32, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Been a while

Hey Jeff, been a while, so long in fact that I don't know how to respond to that thanks notification other than with an old school talk comment. (How do you leave a notification BTW ?) I see you remain as prolific as ever. Who else is leading the charge on the RL project these days ?Sticks66 14:29, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Hey Sticks old mate. Yep, long time no see :) you've been missed. When you're viewing a diff, next to "(undo)" there is also "(thank)". Yeah, I'm still spoilt for choice in what to work on though. I can never make my mind up! The Kangaroos/Lions tours' absence sticks out like a sore thumb the most. J Mo 101 has been a really good addition. DoctorHawkes and Mattlore still keep an eye on things too. --Gibson Flying V (talk) 21:24, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Was just given the new Jeff Apter book "The Coaches" for Fathers Day so I might do some adds on some of the old ( & new) hard head's articles. Keep up the good fight Jeff.Sticks 66 12:14, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Here's a good crack at another one then 1933-34 Kangaroo tour of Great Britain-Sticks66 16:02, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Like --Gibson Flying V (talk) 16:12, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

1977 BBC2 Floodlit Trophy and maybe others

Oooops - I note in your recent edit, you have removed the two citations to the main source of the information (which appear after the Competition and Results header). Any reason for this ? Alanfromwakefield (talk) 16:36, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi again, Alanfromwakefield. According to Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Section_headings, "Citations should not be placed within or on the same line as section and subsection headings." If there is a better place for those references than the place I chose, then please feel free to move them.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 21:41, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

But the way the document now reads is that the citation refers to the fact that there are now 22 clubs, whereas it should refer to the whole competition details i.e. fixtures, results etc. Alanfromwakefield (talk) 18:35, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Schlossy's shoe

I had to laugh Jeff when I saw that Youndbuckerz has just created a article on Jeremy Schloss. You might recall that you & I first met years ago over a "disagreement" we may have had on your Julian O'Neill article. I think I may have been a little zealous about wanting to expand on some of the less savoury aspects of Julian's history. So now, whilst it's pleasing that the red-link to Schlossy in O'Neil's article is no longer red, I think I might still refrain from writing up the shoe incident in Schlossy's article !! -Sticks66 12:09, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Haha I don't remember it. But I'm sure sources can be found for the poo in the shoe incident, in which case naturally it can be added!--Gibson Flying V (talk) 23:14, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Ah, looks like it already is there.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 23:17, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Player Agent details to be added to NZ league players

Hi, I'm in charge of the marketing for Browns Player Management that looks after many league players in NZ and also players in Europe and Australia. I tried adding the details to their wikipedia listings but noticed you removed it again? How can I get it to stay there? All details can be found on http://brownplayer.com to see it's not spam but legit information. Thanks Leandi 202.180.122.111 (talk) 21:11, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) #1) If you represent the company, you may never edit articles related to that company. #2) There's no way in the world that the "agent" details belong on the encyclopedia page - this isn't a company promotion site, and an article about the player is about just that: the player. Pure spam. the panda ₯’ 21:15, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Category:Sport in Melbourne

There were AFL Grand finals listed in that category. ALL AFL Grand Finals are held in Melbourne. Listing all the individual games are completely unneccessary, you just list the AFL Grand Final category under Sport in Melbourne instead of list over 100 AFL finals indivdually.

As for the ANZAC test... are we going to start listing all Rugby League test matches by the location of the stadium? What is the importance of the location of the stadium to the event? Are we going to start listing ever Rugby League test match held at Lang Park under Sport in Brisbane? And what is the benefit to the reader? How many people will be looking for a Rugby League games based on the fact they thought it was in Melbourne?

You don't categorise because you can. You do it because it is relevannce and importance to the subject. --Falcadore (talk) 09:52, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Ok, Falcadore. So the answer to my question appears to be 'yes' then, i.e. you do intend to de-populate the category, and the 2010 ANZAC Test isn't somehow especially more worthy of exclusion than the rest of the events listed in it. That's all I was asking, thanks.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 10:00, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

I wasn't intending on making ANY other changes. You should go to work for A Current Affair making assumptions without foundation like that. If you want to restore the category, go right ahead I'm not going to waste my time edit warring with you over it. --Falcadore (talk) 10:12, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Then your first post here appears to be answering a question that was never asked. Now that you have answered the question I asked, I no longer have to assume (whilst on the topic of assumptions, assuming I want to edit war when I haven't made a single edit yet is a bit like the pot calling the kettle back, no?). However now I do have to wonder why the ANZAC Test got special treatment. Care to shed some light on that? And I feel I should point out that you're getting rather close to the edge of civility and might just want to take a step back :)--Gibson Flying V (talk) 10:28, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

I thought the original statement - referring to the number AFL finals unneccessarily listed in the category (which I also removed at the same time) might have gone some way to explaining how I wasn't giving special treatment. As to the civility? The assumption of my intent seemed uncivil to me, hence the response. Suggesting a step back was what I had originally wrote to you but I decided not to post it as it might be taken as being uncivil. --Falcadore (talk) 11:06, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Everything you say about the AFL Grand finals is true, and the NRL Grand finals are treated in a similar way with regard to Category:Sport in Sydney. So I don't think there's really anything to talk about there. I've actually given no indication of whether I agree with your edit or not (let alone been uncivil), probably because I haven't really formed an opinion about it yet. If you were intending to de-populate Category:Sport in Melbourne, I might have discussed helping out or maybe the idea of a sub-category along the lines of 'Sporting events in Melbourne'. However, since you aren't intending to de-populate it, it certainly does appear that you're giving the ANZAC Test special treatment. It must have some trait not shared by the other sporting events in that category that makes it somehow less worthy of inclusion. Because I'd actually had you earmarked as not being one of these rugby league-haters that are unfortunately so prevalent on Wikipedia (I hope I've not got my users mixed up!), I was curious to understand why.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 11:32, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Well that's because I don't practice what I preach. I appear to be happy to make my own assumptions, while criticising others of the same. I have no problem in believing I'm mistaken about a large number of things.

I stopped at the ANZAC test because I am under pressure to achieve some other things this evening and I decided not to go any further down the road of analysis of this category. I was only there to begin with as I was working on same incorrect catsorts in another category that connected to this. It wasn't special treatment, I just stopped at that one. --Falcadore (talk) 13:08, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately something about this place can at times make us take a more adversarial approach than we perhaps should. Personally, I agree 100% with your philosophy as outlined on your user page. Anyway, maybe we should talk about what to do with all the other sporting events in Category:Sport in Melbourne (and, for that matter, other cities as well perhaps?). What did you think of the 'Events' sub-category idea?--Gibson Flying V (talk) 21:45, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Please stop

Your unilateral changes that you have made to a handful of Infobox swimmer heights flies in the face of uniform formatting for hundreds of Olympics swimming articles -- I know you think this m vs cm thing is important, and are on some sort of crusade to convert all heights on Wikipedia to centimeters. What you are doing is making unilateral changes to uniform formatting to articles that dozens of editors worked to establish. Whether your way is better or not is not your decision to make by yourself. Please stop. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 12:27, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

It's not my way, Dirtlawyer1, it's WP:SOURCES' way. I'm happy to discuss it with anyone who's willing. Shouldn't you be more concerned about flying in the face of sources' formatting? That just seems like a more important issue in my opinion. Now, I naturally respect WP:BRD, but if you must revert, please pay closer attention to what you're changing.[2] Change the units if you must, but please do not delete quality references or revert to erroneous information on those WP:BLPs. I too am among the dozens of hard-working editors you mention. Cheers.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 12:50, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

You've had this argument on the Infobox NFL player talk page for months, and you've been told "no" repeatedly. When dozens of infoboxes on Wikipedia are structured this way, and you're the only editor demanding changes, that should tell you something. I'm not here ro argue with someone on a crusade; if you want to make these changes then take them to the talk page for the WikiProjects who use these templates on thousands of articles. It's not your decision to make. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:00, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

It's a much older discussion than that. If you're curious, search Template talk:Height/Archive 2 for the response to Evensteven's post at 01:15, 30 January 2014 (UTC). And believe me, I'm as uninterested in arguing as you are. Although I would like to see some more good faith assumed and maybe the other improvements I made to those BLPs reinstated :)--Gibson Flying V (talk) 13:11, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Les Chanticleers

I've only just seen this Les Chanticleers '51 which you got going a couple of years back and have obviously kicked on with. Great job.-Sticks66 13:56, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks mate. Looking forward to getting around to the '54 tour. Should be even better.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 19:54, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

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