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Oh for goodness sake

bethanypunjack@yahoo.com... grandma was chiaramonte.. please email me

Stop unarchiving that conversation before some fuckwit decides to block you for edit warring. It's dead. Black Kite (talk) 19:51, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

You revert me again and I will revert you! Now go and find something useful to do!  Giano  19:52, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Well there's the thing, I thought actually closing a pointless conversation based around a useless suggestion might well be something useful. Clearly I was wrong. Black Kite (talk) 19:56, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Reverts

Giano, I really don't know you from adam and don't usually care about being reverted, but that is all drama, so there was a valid reason for hatting it. If I'm trying to stop some drama and you are so compelled to revert those attempts, it would be nice if you were at least nice enough to leave an edit summary. Seems kind of rude to not. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 20:00, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

I rarely leave edit summaries on minor pages. Regarding the revert: I think it's good that people can see the type of pointless, juvenile editors with whom people like Eric Corbett are expected to engage - quite frankly I think Eric has the patience of a saint; headless, sword wealding skeletons have nothing on such lack lustre peasants (or whatever the American equivalent is for such types). I quite understand why people like yourself like to hush them up and hide them away - I think I shall announce on my page that I'm a grumpy old Roman Catholic. One despairs of this project, one really does.  Giano  20:06, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't think it is a secret that I consider Eric a great friend, so when you say "people like you", you obviously know nothing of me. You seem to completely misunderstand my rationale and reasoning. I can't fix that in one paragraph, so I won't try. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 20:17, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

If you're such a great friend - unblock the poor sod then!  Giano  20:19, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Nothing personal, but I don't have to prove my affinity for Eric to you. Again, you lack the familiarity with me to draw a valid conclusion. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 20:31, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

You are the one who chose to come here pontificating and proclaiming. Seems there's not really a lot that you have to offer.  Giano  20:36, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

FYI

User:iridescent said I should let you know about this. RFAR. You are not a party or anything, but you are familiar with the situation I'm told. Iri suggested you here — Ched :  ?  19:07, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

• [1].  Giano  21:15, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

• To answer your question ,, I want the fighting to stop. I hate bickering. There's a bunch of foolish children on wiki that cause nothing but trouble. I hate that. I hated it when I saw it with you and Jimbo and the stupid BS with Bish and Jimbo .. I hated to see it with silly arguments about en dashes ,, I just hate the fucking fighting Giano. I'm old and I'm very tired. this bitching about infoboxes has been going on for all too long .. so I posted to the "almighty" AC. Meh .. Hell .. I don't care .. they can block me, ban me .. I honestly don't care. But the whole thing has been running over so many pages, so I took it to the top. Hey .. your views are very valuable to me .. say what you think Giano. — Ched :  ?  22:27, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Well I think, there is just plain bullying going on by the pro-infobox crowd. The present unwritten system which leaves info-boxes to the discretion of the principal content editors is best and 99% of the time it works until a bullying pro-boxer arrives off the street and inserts a box and then fights to keep it. I think infoboxes have their uses in scientific and mathematical pages and to a certain extent in political biographies. On pages connected to the arts, their use is limited and on pages concerning ancient buildings they are either over simplified to the point of downright misleading or otherwise are longer than the page. I shan't comment at the arbitration page (until necessary) as I find the pro-boxers hectoring and bullying to be distasteful.  Giano  09:29, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, what do think of operas, such as Carmen? Distasteful? - I could offer you more architecture, - let's write articles ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:18, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

As a keen jazz pianist and able to play classical piano at a half-decent level, I certainly don't find opera distasteful, but I don't write musical pages and I would certainly never presume to advise the authors of the Carmen page on the need there for an infobox. Regarding the Düsseldorfer Schauspielhaus, I'm afraid that I don't know anything about it. I would question whether a one-line page needs ten references.  Giano  10:41, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

No it doesn't need 10, but it does mean it's screaming for expansion. PumpkinSky talk 10:50, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Then please don't let me stop you. It doesn't appear to be the type of building with which I am familiar. All I can tell you from a glance is that it's some form of hybrid/revival of Streamline Moderne and Brutalism. I don't have the knowledge to lecture others on that.  Giano  13:00, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for looking at the building. No need to advise authors, just a fresh look at Carmen instead of M. Bizet ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:48, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Even sources for World Heritage Sites in Poland are few...

Sigh. So I wrote articles for Medieval Town of Toruń and Old City of Zamość, and even for WHS class sites there are so few sources. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:55, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

It looks like you are going to have to write the definitive reference book yourself Piotrus. Now that is something, isn't it?  Giano  21:19, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Infoboxes ArbCom case opened

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes/Evidence. Please add your evidence by July 31, 2013, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, — ΛΧΣ²¹ 17:59, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I think I'll sit back and watch it for a while.  Giano  13:01, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Bramshill House

Seems strange for you to leave a message actually in the article as Eric doesn't even appear to be online right now. Nobody owns the article, naturally. If you left a message on the talk page linking all of our user names, the new notification system would let them/us know automatically, Can you do this and remove the bold message please?Tibetan Prayer ^᧾ 20:03, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Dear Tibetan Prayer please do whatever you feel to be best. 20:59, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Ah, he turned up after all! Phew!! Tibetan Prayer ^᧾ 21:03, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

@Tibetan Prayer: Apparently he can't edit his user page, so it may be necessary to paste a version to his talk page instead.  Giano  21:11, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Bramshill House

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:17, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't think I can take any credit for that. I don't tend to give ghosts houseroom in any page which I edit.  Giano  09:40, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Please restore

Could you please restore my post that you deleted -- Moxy (talk) 17:28, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

I was coming here to report that I've reverted Giano, to do just that. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:04, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

This is simply crazy behavior - let see them explain themselves. Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.Moxy (talk) 18:08, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

All done on ANI

Hi, no, I'm not getting involved on ANI, I'm done there. But the ANI thread just above is mine — don't know if you noticed — and when I went to post in it, what should appear in the immediate vicinity but User:Giano's need to be nipped in the butt, how could I not answer that? Bishonen | talk 18:55, 28 July 2013 (UTC).

Well [2] looks an equally interesting thread; where do all these dreadful people come from? It's a long time since I have been "nipped in the butt" - I think the last occasion was by a rather obnoxious, little Pekingese belonging to my grandmother when I was about seven or eight. This place has become very dull hasn't it? Don't you just yearn for the good old days?  Giano  19:43, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, it's not revealing anything that's not already out there to say that they come from St Petersburg in my case. As for yearning, no I don't. We were all staidly middle-aged in the old days (the giant race before the wiki-flood, at the poet Dryden put it) and now we've progressed to immature, and I for one find it much more rewarding. I must say I thought Lady Catherine de Burgh's beloved Crippen must have nipped you since then. He can jump high enough, can't he? What is he, half Peke, half Pit Bull? Bishonen | talk 22:29, 28 July 2013 (UTC).

Sadly, Crippen has passed over and gone to that great walking ground in the sky and is now living amongst the angels where he is fully appreciated and patrols the Pearly Gates looking for undesirables. There do seem to be a lot of "staidly middle-aged" and even older about though still today. I shall continue with my pioneering spirit.  Giano  07:26, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Have you become an adult yet? The youth of today simply have no manners.[3] Bishonen | talk 10:41, 29 July 2013 (UTC).

Certainly not! I'm going to invite a few of my friends here around for some spumoni and birthday cake and help me blow out my eight candles.  Giano  10:51, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Celebrating your 8 years, 8 months, and 21 days Wikipedia Jubilee? What a frantic party animal you are! Bishonen | talk 11:52, 29 July 2013 (UTC).

What a shame I did not spot 8 years, 8 months and 8 days, that would have been something to celebrate. I obviously started editing here aged just two and a half - I was a very precocious child. Sadly, you may not be seeing much of me for the next month or so because I start my school holidays very soon and am planing a little action in the water and over the water - so you will have to watch 'my' pages for me for infoboxes and any other obnoxious infiltrations.  Giano  12:37, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Email request

Original request was misposted here [4]. bepunj22@gmail.com,... gino please email me... chiaramonte

My Wikipedia email is enabled, please feel free to use it. I never email strangers, anons and unknown editors. Alternatively, you are quite welcome to post anything that you like here.  Giano  12:46, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

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Busted! Before you explode in all directions, please read this ANI thread. You may wish to contribute to it. Bishonen | talk 12:22, 3 August 2013 (UTC).

of course I looked at it; otherwise, I would not have voted to delete it.  Giano  12:48, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

PS: and I still don't see why we have to have a Red Indian and the figurehead of the stupid game.  Giano  12:49, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

WT:AC/N post =

Giano, I removed a post of yours from WT:AC/N. Tensions are running high enough over this as it is and comments like that don't help. If you want to restore that, can you please rephrase it in a way that is less likely to cause offence? Carcharoth (talk) 13:28, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

• I really can't be bothered.  Giano  20:43, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

  I don't see anything wrong with Giano's post at all. PumpkinSky talk 20:45, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

  Perhaps you're not of the correct faith. Eric Corbett 22:02, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

  I'm not much of the correct anything. As for your edit summary, as long as it's not Grace Sherwood ;-) PumpkinSky talk 22:21, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Unlike Carcharoth, I don't see what the fuss is about. Like the majority of the human race I am completely disinterested in whether the unfortunate Bradley Manning chooses to call himself Mrs, Mr, Miss of Grand Duchess. I merely observe the curious fact that a great many Wikipedia editors seem to have a preoccupation with such subjects.  Giano  13:42, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

• Many people are fascinated by anything even remotely related to sex. PumpkinSky talk 13:44, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

• Aged 14, that is often the case. However, after that age, most of us manage to keep our thoughts, deeds and opinions on the subject in check.  Giano  13:50, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

• I agree with you there, Giano. The reason I asked you to rephrase your post if you wanted to pursue this line of commentary was your use of the term 'abnormality'. It may seem overly PC (politically correct), but it does help to be sensitive about the language used when discussing such things. Changing subject completely, do you know anything about the painter William Birch? We had two articles on him which I've done a very preliminary job of merging. I came across him when looking up details on a book called The Country Seats of the United States (1808), and thought it might interest you. Carcharoth (talk) 21:02, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

You completely overreacted there Carc. PumpkinSky talk 21:39, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

I thought so too, until Carcharoth highlighted here the specific word that it's likely that some proportion of our readership (likely younger than you, me, him, or Giano) would likely be offended by. On my first reading, I hadn't even noticed it.

Giano should not have to walk around on tiptoes/eggshells/other metaphor, but nor is it a "complete overreaction" to remove a post that may have led to epic silliness.

I mean, if some passing sniper had used that comment as an excuse to request arbitration on the matter, with Giano in the firing line, would that have been a useful and productive outcome? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:46, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

It didn't warrant removing the word, much less the entire post. There's far more offensive stuff all over wiki. What he should have done is ask G to rephrase it since he (carc) wants to be the Thought Police. We have several articles with Fuck and worse in them, even in the titles, pictures of human sex organs that 5 year olds can look up, etc. That you didn't even notice it proves this just isn't that big a deal. PumpkinSky talk 21:59, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

It's not a big deal to me. Just as having "fuck" in a few articles (or a lot of articles) isn't a big deal to me either. Nor is "Gropecunt Lane". Carry on. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:04, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

What you're saying is that if having "fuck" articles or "Gropecunt Lane" or Jenna Jameson's barely covered chest offends someone, they can delete it with no discussion and it's ok. Got it. Carry on. PumpkinSky talk 22:41, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

I don't think removing a single post (and suggesting it be rephrased if restored) rises to the level of being the thought police. FWIW, I wouldn't have batted an eyelid if Giano had said that here on his talk page. But there are some locations that are more 'public' where some people try (fruitlessly at times) to maintain decorum. If I did this sort of thing a lot, then maybe there would be a point in having a debate about this. But let's just try and move on, shall we? Carcharoth (talk) 23:07, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

You shouldn't be removing a post for such a minor infraction anywhere. Period. Another example of admins, especially arbs, thinking they're special because if someone like me did that I'd get blocked, then I'd rightfully bitch about it and the Admin Protective Society wouldn't do a damn thing about it. PumpkinSky talk 23:19, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

My high-tech detector systems detect that the former arbitrator previously known as RLevse does not wish to move on. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:24, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Whatever! To most people 'normal' means commonplace, usual, most prevalent, typical and expected. I expect that of most transgender people and their families the desire/need to change sex is none of those. Furthermore, such people are seldom quite as sensitive as those pussyfooting and jumping on the political bandwagon around them. It is quite obvious what I meant and that I intended no offence to transgender people - If you look hard enough Carcharoth, you can find problems wherever you want to find them.  Giano  06:42, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Wimbledon House

Is this a subject that intrigues you?--Wetman (talk) 00:46, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello Wetman, Yes, it does. However, sadly, real life is being more than pressing at the moment, but I shall leave this here at the top of the page to remind me to do something about it, are there any plans or photos of the house anywhere? I have been thinking for a while about writing a full page on a demolished house - complete with new 3-D imagery - which would make it fun and more interesting?  Giano  20:01, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

I've written at least two articles on demolished houses: Malkin Tower and Borley Rectory. Eric Corbett 19:39, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

• That's interesting; I thought Borley Rectory was still standing as a tourist attraction as England's spookiest house - don't know why I thought that.  Giano  20:21, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

  Almost every old house in England is reputedly haunted, and maybe a few of them really are, but ghosts are baloney tourist attractions. A bit like the dare to spend a night in Tussauds's horror section. Eric Corbett 20:36, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I do not believe in ghosts at all. A long time ago, I used to routinely remove all mention of them from the trivia sections of buildings on Wikipedia, but was reverted so often I gave up. You see if there are ghosts, there has to be an after-life - if there is an after-life, there has to be a God, and if there is a God, he would not permit the dead to return and worry the living. Anyway, that's my view and I'm sticking to it and sleeping easy in every old house I visit.  Giano  20:49, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

There is a case to be made for materials being able to store certain energies from a time in the past which are released from time to time and create paranormal sounds and images, I think there's a lot about the world and universe that we don't yet know. But without a doubt a lot of places play on it and it's part of their appeal. And of course rumours encourage people to invent new ones.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:17, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the illustration of Holland's Wimbledon House! I was crediting Johnbod for it, but he set me right. --Wetman (talk) 02:01, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

@ Wetman: no problem; an interesting house - do you really think it's by Holland? It doesn't have the clean lines that I would have expected from him. Perhaps he was having an off day.  Giano  06:55, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Sicilian Baroque

Hi, just discovered that you'd written this. Excellent article but it really needs a great deal of sourcing work to remain as an FA. I can try to improve the sourcing this week, but only if you are happy for me to do so.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:25, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Whatever! It will be the same article with or without 'sourcing work' and with or without FA status. So long as it's not over simplified with an infobox and the images are not reduced to those of the a dolls' house, I am not hugely bothered. It's a very limited subject and there are few who understand the nuances and intricacies, so it may be best to lose the FA status rather then loose the comprehensive content. Good luck.  Giano  20:34, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, it would be a pity for it to lose FA status. I'll see what I can do, don't worry I agree on infoboxes and images anyway! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:43, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

There are only a couple of books written authoritatively on the subject, and only one of those is in English, and I think they are both out of print. I long ago lost the fleeting sense of awe and wonder conveyed by FA status. One has to be careful with such pages; otherwise they tend to read like a cheap holiday brochure and Wikipedia has quite enough of those already.  Giano  20:52, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Ah I don't know, Sicilian Baroque is a pretty academic architectural subject, I can certainly think of other topics which are more difficult to avoid sounding like a cheap holiday brochure! Hotels are pretty difficult in particular I think. Sicilian Baroque is probably the sort of subject which as you say does have very few individual book studies into it, but it might have a chapter or some pages devoted to it in other decent sources which is all that is needed to help source it. Anyway, I'll see what I can do next week on it. Hehe just looking at the FAC on it and Tony1's petty oppose. He'd get laughed out of FAC today for saying that sort of thing! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:20, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

I expect we would all be laughed out of FAC today!  Giano  21:34, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

I think FAC has become an exercise in diminishing returns, hardly worth the effort. Eric Corbett 19:42, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

My view is that it's better to write an accurate and authoritative page to near FA standard, but not FA it. That way one does not attract all the Randy from Boises, MOS obsessives and general trolls. However, if Dr. Blofeld wishes to add to the references, I wish him luck.  Giano  20:26, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm coming to the same conclusion, and I doubt I'll ever take another article to FAC. Eric Corbett 20:57, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

That's a pity that both of you feel that way, but certainly understandable. Giano, do you own the Sicilian Baroque book still or did you borrow it? I've found numerous sources which verify Domenico Gagini did indeed come to Sicily in 1463 but the Fowler source and this I think indicate he came from Genoa rather than Florence, can you check for me? The Italian source says "Domenico Gagini da Bissone che prima di stabilirsi in Sicilia nel 1463, aveva lavorato a Genova" that he had worked in Genoa but doesn't say he came from Genoa like the Fowler source.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:10, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I do own all the books I used as references, but unfortunately, me and they are not currently in the same country or likely to be until December.  Giano  21:19, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Fowler source says "The Lombard Domenico Gagini, who went from Genoa to Palermo in 1463, retained the peculiarities of Lombard sculpture". Perhaps we should just say came to Palermo in 1463?♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:20, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Substing templates

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I have no idea what you are talking about.  Giano  07:56, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

What?

Giano, what was this about? Looking back, it appears that you and Moxy have a history, but it doesn't seem like the two of you have crossed paths in a month at least. I don't think I could be considered to be in the civility police, and I understand that things sometimes get said in the heat of an argument, but this kind of apparently unprovoked attack is not okay. Was there some kind of context to this that I'm missing? Because if there isn't, well, it looks really bad, and I don't understand what drove you to say that. What's the deal here? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 20:24, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Ah, Writ Keeper, I do apologize for the delay in replying; I hadn't spotted you up here above young Master Moxy and his parents, now what is it precisely that you are objecting too?  Giano 

I was objecting to this: "I doubt you have either." (emphasis mine.) I'll admit that I can't readily parse a meaning out of that from the context; all I can say is that it sounds extremely hostile to my inner ear, and Moxy certainly had the same reaction to it. Unless you're trying to subtly accuse Moxy of making up family members, I guess. In any event, unless there is some innocent interpretation of that phrase that I'm missing, then it looks like you contacted Moxy out of nowhere, baiting a friendly reaction in order to bite them very hard indeed. I would suggest that the two of you just stay away from each other; that kind of unprovoked attack, if that's what it is, is very bad. If it wasn't intended as an attack, then the bad blood between you will likely make such comments easily open to misinterpretation, and thus avoiding each other from now on would still be a good idea. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 21:50, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

• Thank you Writ Keeper for expressing your view. I think the best thing is to see what happens next. Wikipedia can be such a funny place, can't it? I'm sure you, like me, like to see arguments and debates fought, won and lost in an honest and open way - without that the place descends into anarchy and the project ceases to have integrity and that reflects on even those of us who try to play by the rules. However, when things are officially hidden or not quite what they seem to be, that integrity can become lost and we become lost and confused with it and as a consequence Wikipedia suffers. Now, that probably sounds very cryptic to you and many others - as it should.  Giano  06:57, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Was going to post my own section about the odd message...but saw this. It is just weird an out of the blue insult like that about a dead relative. I originally though he was reaching out to me...but I was wrong...I took the bait. I have encountered Giano a few times about one topic and have no clue why this behavior is forth cumming. This here shows our main encounter with each-other. I have tried to avoid Giano but as all can see they have an odd fetish with me.... so much so he has even going over my edit history for years to find facts about me. Do you think I am some other editor that has had conflict with you in the past with another name? I can assure you we dont have a history beyond the accessibility argument. So Giano what can we do here to fix your behavior and reputation? -- Moxy (talk) 21:09, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

• Don't worry about me Moxy; I think you have become a little confused.  Giano  09:44, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Sutton Court

Hi, I wonder if you would be kind enough to cast an eye over Sutton Court. I've expanded it recently and added some photos. I think I'm getting the history just about into shape but the architecture section is still weak. Any comments or edits would be gratefully received.— Rod ^talk 18:07, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

@Rod The only reference to it I have in my possession is Pevsner's Buildings of England: North Somerset and Bristol which is already heavily used there, so there's little I can add; - do you have a copy? If not, ask if you want a further ref, but that source seems to be fully utilised. To me, it looks to have been heavily over extended and restored in a sort of poor man's Sandringham style (Jacobean, I suppose we should call it - but it's not really even really that) It looks like the boys' boarding house of a second rate English public school without any of the modernisations and comforts which discerning parents would expect. I wouldn't buy an apartment in it; too much like Dotheboys Hall.  Giano  18:30, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks I have Pevsners NS&B. I just wondered if you had anything to add, but I guess I'll just leave it as it is without quoting your opinion :-) — Rod ^talk 18:56, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Brislington House

Do you have any sources for Brislington House? Pevsner NS&B doesn't have much. I hope to be able to get access & take some pics soon, but like the one above the architecture section is thin.— Rod ^talk 09:41, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

It's not one I've come across before. I could be wrong, but it loooks to be inspired by/copied from Badminton House or perhaps Dyrham Park. I will have a hunt about and see what there is.  Giano  08:02, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

[[User: Rodw], I could give you a few words of waffling, descriptive, unchangeable architectural description, but I can't find any references for the building beyond what is already in the article. Loony bins tended not to attract too much attention from architectural historians - probably because most of them should have been incarcerated within.  Giano  18:28, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

OK Thanks anyway.— Rod ^talk 20:18, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

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Go east, young man!

Some guy is demanding help with the article about this relatively modest palatial building... Puthia Raj bari ... which is currently nominated for deletion. Can you help? "Cattle are seen walking around the 400-year-old place" (my emphasis) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:01, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

What a ridiculous nomination. One wonders if such people as Jguard18 really have the best interests of the project at heart, or are just plain stupid. I expect it's probably the latter. Such futile nominations when directed at new and inexperienced editors really do not do any good at all.  Giano  08:50, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Being a person who encourages conspiracy theories, I earlier mentioned my earlier post here on IRC, and predicted it would receive a "robust" response. News - IRC is much less nasty than you saw before (it's still basically worthless, for obvious reasons). I was slapped for predicting a robust response, but you have indeed produced a robust response.

I greatly appreciate your efforts to help the totally valid attempt to make an article about a significant building. (I will try to improve it, too, when I get a little more time.) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:57, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:Ferdinand and Marie of Romania 1923.gif

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FFS! it says quite clearly from a private collection. Who else's baptism would those people have been appearing at that time in this clothes. It's a documented historical event? We don't all come from Idaho and attempt to pass of our family snaps as important!  Giano  18:04, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Free-form Gothic style

I'm currently drafting Eastwood Manor and one of the source documents describes it as being in a "Free-form Gothic style". Any idea what that means? I've currently linked to Gothic Revival architecture is that appropriate?— Rod ^talk 21:19, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it just means it's sort of 'Gothicy style' (Hammer House of Horror meets Disney) rather than a learned exercise in strict Early English/Perpendicular etc.  Giano 

Thanks. I've now moved it to article space at Eastwood Manor if you wanted to add anything.— Rod ^talk 08:28, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Infoboxes

Hi Giano. Infoboxes are not compulsory right? There is no general consensus on their application right? Any chance you and anybody watching your page could comment in response to [5] and set the record straight? None of the authors of the Peter Sellers article, myself, Schrocat and Cassianto want an infobox. Yet we're encountering a bunch of people trying to enforce an infobox on it. It's doing my nut!♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:59, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

• I have a golden rule that I more or less try to keep sacred; it's that I don't go wandering on to the talk pages of pages which I have never edited and tell the editors how that page ought to be. Personally, I think Wikipedia would be a better place if many others adopted it as a rule too. Therefore, I can't comment there, although I do sympathise with you. Were I to comment there, I think I would just quote this link [6] which is quite recent and definitive on the subject.  Giano  17:34, 14 November 2013 (UTC).

Fair enough, I don't want it to look as if I'm canvassing, but I just want knowledgeable people on here to set the record straight that there is NO consensus to have an infobox in every article and that it is largely up to the editors who write the article to decide.. I'm just sick of people infobox pushing wherever I look...♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:45, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes well; sadly, some people can only feel their self-worth when they are constantly hearing the sound of their own voices regardless of who else wants to hear them. The Arbcom have spoken and as far as I can see it is entirely a matter for the editors of that page - and by editors, I don't mean somebody who has only tampered with the reffs, done whatever it is they do to hyphens or dropped in to leave a template.  Giano  19:03, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

(watching) I am so amused that this happens without Andy and me. (I never said every article has to have an infobox, only that I think a small infobox would help the readers.) Have fun ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:36, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Gerda, but I think you will agree, had Andy and you employed my golden rule, your Wikipedia lives would have been very much more pleasant as would have been the lives of many other Wikipedians.  Giano  20:54, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

You will probably not seriously expect that I agree to that ;) - Did I disturb one of your articles? Are you thinking of a specific other one? - I didn't know your rule, but like it. - A respected author found a compromise he called identibox that might work for Sellers and others, see Percy Grainger. I suggested something that adds to that the data on birth and death, see Talk:Giuseppe Verdi. How one of these things would be an "attack" or "damage the article", I will have to find out, but have more important things to do. Translating articles to German by authors who were silenced here or gave up is one, - you see, I added a few to Little Moreton Hall ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:13, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Wells Cathedral (again)

Following your really useful contributions to the GA review of Wells Cathedral some months ago we have moved on towards a FA nomination & the article is currently being peer reviewed at Wikipedia:Peer review/Wells Cathedral/archive1. The comments and requests being made seem very helpful and appropriate and we are acting on them. There are now a few specific architectural concerns which I wondered if you could help with:

• "West fronts in general …" – this seems wholly authoritative, but could do with a citation, I think.
• "they constitute the finest display of medieval carving in England" – that's a helluva statement from one citation. I'd be more comfortable with "in so-and-so's view they constitute etc"
• "and are "brutally massive" and intrusive in an otherwise restrained interior" – I think you really need something on the lines of "according to Walter Plinge…" before this ringing statement

Any help or comments on these would be appreciated.— Rod ^talk 09:04, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Rod, ]I'll take a look. I don't think the St Andrew's crosses arches are "brutally massive and intrusive", but I see you have a ref for that already. I think they are quite spectacular feature in what was intended to be a spectacular building.  Giano  22:30, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

I love baklava! Notice that there are two forks.... Amandajm (talk) 09:52, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Amanda.  Giano  10:42, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Vorontsov Palace (Alupka)

Thanks, I appreciate it, it took me a few years of procrastination to finish it.. It would be great if you could help out, I've seen the many articles you wrote before and was pretty amazed! I would like to see it as a FA one day, so build it up any way you'd like. DDima 21:13, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks DDima for your kind words. I don't think I can get it to FA because there are not sufficient authoritative references in English and I don't really read Russian well enough at the level required. I do think I can expand it a little and make it clearer where the design was coming from and explain the logic of why a cross between Burghley House and the Taj Mahal was plonked down in the middle of the Crimea - it's not quite as odd as some people may think.  Giano  13:17, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

PS: If I have any problems I'll put them on the article's talk page - like this one [7].  Giano  14:48, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, unfortunately there aren't a lot of English language sources for many of Ukraine's interesting places, which is why I took to writing them! I look forward to seeing your changes. DDima 04:45, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

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• It's perfectly obvious that a photograph taken for the Tsar in the 19th century, before the Russian Revolution, is not going to have anybody chasing its copyright.  Giano  08:18, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Re: Thieving

Hmm. Those image files you listed on my talk are already in the Wiki Commons... They are free to use for our purposes. Unless you were referring to some other ones. DDima

Are they? I didn't see them, and the link didn't work when I tried to paste them into the article; I'll have another go, perhaps I had not copypasted the entire link properly. Thanks.  Giano  09:35, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Yeah I was leaning towards Anglo-Indian as well , but we can't be too sure without a good source, Doing a quick google search on Edward Blore brings up a nice book "Towers of Crim Tartary: English and Scottish Architects and Craftsmen in the Crimea, 1762-1853" There is a whole chapter devoted to Edwards Blore and Count Vorontsov.... Unfortunately there's no book preview available and I'm not sure where I can pick that book up! I'm sure it would have some great finds, though. DDima 08:01, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Actually it's more available than I thought! I just need to get downtown to get access to it, and perhaps scan a few of the pages while I'm at it! DDima 08:06, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Complaint

I have complained about User: Eric Corbett's bullying, and mentioned the role that you play in this process. [8] I am aware that this link isn't as good as it should be. I couldn't make it work otherwise.

Amandajm (talk) 03:40, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

• That's a great pity. However, I think you will find that I am nobody's "talking parrot" or "ventriloquist's puppet." I am truly sorry that my efforts (including my walking peacefully and politely away from the you and the page)) to keep work going at Wells Cathedral has caused you to feel affronted; some of your work there has been very good. However, in the instances to which you refer, I do feel that Eric was in the right. I'm sorry that upsets you.  Giano  10:05, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Complaint 2

hi Giano, I noticed you have been removing infoboxes on a number of buildings. The argument "unnecessary, erroneous and confusing" is hard to understand[9]. Please discuss on the talk page of an article first before removing infoboxes. If you don't want infoboxes in general, you have to discuss that on the talk page of the template itself or propose it for deletion. Thank you for your understanding. Gryffindor (talk) 08:54, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

No, I have removed info boxes from two pages, both of which I have heavily contributed to. If you want to impose an info box; take it to the talk page. I shall be reverting you.  Giano  09:06, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

You removed the infobox from Marble Arch [10] without waiting for consensus to develop in the talk page, did you not? Gryffindor (talk) 09:42, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Please direct all your comment to me here [11]. These days I prefer a quiet life, but if you want to come here trolling for trouble you are in the right place; you'll find I have lost none of resourcefulness in that department. I note you are an admin, one would have hoped for a slightly better working knowledge of the project and its ways.  Giano  09:51, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

You are not answering my question in regards to your edit of Marble Arch. You have been a long-time editor, you should know what constitutes the things you are accusing me of and know better, instead of filing this rather strange noticeboard complaint or this here [12]. Gryffindor (talk) 10:18, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Your questions are not being answered because I have always employed a policy of not feeding trolls. It makes them dependent and even more scavenging. I am here to write pages, something I try to do to the best of my ability and at the highest possible standard. Quite why you are here remains unclear; one can only assume that you don't have enough attention from your parents.  Giano  17:21, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

[13] I'm sorry that my original comment was worded in such an accusing and harsh manner. Happy editing, AutomaticStrikeout (₵) – Rest in Peace, Jackson Peebles 22:16, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Please don't worry about it.  Giano  22:17, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I won't. AutomaticStrikeout (₵) – Rest in Peace, Jackson Peebles 22:18, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Just an observation

Am I the only person here with not a brilliant eyesight that finds editing is becoming more of a problem because of the ever increasing complicated and elongated format for dates, references and God knows what else. A moment or so ago, I was going to add a simple missing comma to the first paragraph here [14], but once, I'd clicked edit, I just couldn't see where to put it. Is it just me?  Giano  19:21, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

I think probably everyone sometimes it difficult to find their place after they click that edit button, with all that higglety-pigglety markup nonsense. Here's a script I find useful though, importScript('User:PleaseStand/segregate-refs.js'); it segregates out all that citation mess and simplifies the editing window. Eric Corbett 20:13, 29 November 20

I hate to further show my ignorance, but how do I do that exactly - in words of one syllable.  Giano  21:19, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Try VisualEditor. 2Awwsome^{Tell me where I screwed up.}_{See where I screwed up.} 21:22, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

How do I do that?  Giano  21:34, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Tick the VisualEditor box on this page. 2Awwsome^{Tell me where I screwed up.}_{See where I screwed up.} 21:37, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

The visual editor is certainly awesome, awesomely bad. Eric Corbett 21:42, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

It can't do everything that the source editor can do, and is very slow, but it has its advantages and is still in its beta stages. 2Awwsome^{Tell me where I screwed up.}_{See where I screwed up.} 21:45, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

It can do hardly anything, it's nowhere near a beta stage. Beta implies that a product is functionally complete, but the visual editor can't even get copy and pasting right. Or section editing. Or citations. Or ... Eric Corbett 21:48, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Go to your preferences. Click on the appearance tag. You'll see in the Skin box a number of skins listed, with the one you're actually using highlighted. Click on the corresponding Custom JavaScript tag and put that code I gave you above at the top of the file. Job done. Eric Corbett 21:48, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Greetings, Excellency! It probably doesn't matter for now, but if you ever need to add other scripts, you'll need to add a semi-colon to the end of the line in your User:Giano/vector.js and User:Giano/monobook.jspages, they should look like this:

importScript('User:PleaseStand/segregate-refs.js');

It's a very helpful script for old folks like me. Thanks, Eric, for your help here and for your kind words on my talk recently - I'll possibly be back to proper editing in the new year as it's getting too cold to dive now. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 12:41, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Kind words? From me? Are you certain you're not confusing me with someone else? Eric Corbett 13:01, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

just below mine - and how could you be confused with anybody else, Eric? - I am proud of my latest infobox, - my own ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:15, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, tried all of this, and so has Bishonen on my behalf, nothing seems to make any difference - thanks for the advice though.  Giano  21:49, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

The script does work, but only if you're editing the entire article rather than a single section. Eric Corbett 12:28, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Response

On my talk page. Amandajm (talk) 03:54, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

• Thank you Amandajm, but I won't be clicking to read it because I expect it's another verbose, semi-hysterical rant about me with a few caustic comments regarding Eric Corbett thrown in to keep you cauldron bubbling. I apologise if that's not the case.  Giano  08:21, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

  That's the case. Eric Corbett 12:30, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

• My gift of clairvoyance cannot be explained.  Giano  14:11, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Accusing me of being a Sock

Hi, I saw on the ANI board you accused me of being a sock. I just recently joined, and don't appreciate being branded as something I am not, and having any of my contributions being belittled. I can freely demonstrate that I am a new user with every intention of trying to be a contributing member. I have no idea why anybody would think otherwise. I think an administrator, who can view IPs and such, could very easily show you that am I not whoever you suspect me of being. LilOwens (talk) 21:34, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

If you're not a sock then don't behave like one - I am sick to death of being plagued by socks, trolls and born again editors who think everyone is a stupid as they are.  Giano  16:59, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Look on the bright side. At least you've not been called a "fucking bag of cunt shit" so far today.[15] What do you think my fate would have been if I'd called another editor that? Eric Corbett 17:56, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Now you come to mention it, I don't believe that I have. When I was at school along time ago, I was once told by a teacher that using foul language was a sign of a limited vocabulary; I have since always told my own sons this (to little affect), but I do think there's some truth in it. While I do have the odd outburst, I do have to be pretty wound up. I think it would be a good idea if people stopped winding you up, and you stopped allowing them to do so.  Giano  18:07, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Your teacher was wrong. The purpose of "foul language" is to act as an intensifier, consequently it's best to deploy it judiciously and infrequently, else it loses its intended impact. Eric Corbett 18:16, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps you're right, but some word are just not very satisfying to spit out - I can really get some release of tension into making the ffff sound, but there's not much satisfaction is making the cccccc sound. To swear satisfyingly, you need to be able to makes a long first consonant. Anyway they are just expletives; if one wants to insult effectively - long, grown up words are far more painful and descriptive.  Giano  00:17, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The cccccc sound on its own isn't really much of an intensifier, that's why you almost always hear it preceded by the ffff sound. Eric Corbett 00:48, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

This, perhaps worryingly, is why you're still taken more seriously than the potty-mouth with whom you're having this conversation. Even after all these years :P --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:44, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Does anyone take you seriously? I certainly don't. Eric Corbett 00:48, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Mes enfants! There's no point,Demiurge1000, of winding Eric up further. I'm sure you know what happens when you over wind a spring - it eventually goes twang, breaks and ceases to function.....I'm sure that's not your aim is it? There's also the risk that as it goes twang it simultaneously pokes you in the eye as it breaks - so beware. Eric, could you not rename (or better still archive) that pretty horrible section on your talk page because like all smelly, decaying things it attracts biting and stinging insects.  Giano  09:33, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

I could do, but I haven't as it's an apposite reminder of what I'm expected to put up with here. As is Demiurge1000's deliberate provocation above, which as ever goes unchallenged by the civility police. Eric Corbett 13:21, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Well the hypocrisy of the civility police is nothing new; I well remember this edit directed at me, which led to this episode - you see nothing ever changes on Wikipedia.  Giano  16:14, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

I took your advice and archived it anyway, as I'm certain that some would choose to believe that I made that posting. Eric Corbett 17:41, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

By archiving it, you have cut off their oxygen supply which they will find a very painful experience. What's that expression about ways to kill a cat?  Giano  17:53, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

"There's more than way to kill a cat", but these bloody cats aren't dead, and are becoming emboldened to lie to get their way. Eric Corbett 21:32, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

File source problem with File:Lady R Churchill.jpg

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@Sfan00 IMG: That wretched woman was born in 1854 - in the photograph, she is clearly in her 30/40s - it's obviously so old that I cannot even be bothered to look it up. You image zealots are starting to gravely damage the encyclopedia in you earnestness to delete images. Instead of coming here and copy-pasting your messages - do some basic homework! Now go and update the licensing yourself or delete it - the choice is yours, but I'm not running around after you.  Giano  22:10, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

FYI, Sfan's designated the file a candidate for Commons [16]. I know in the past, you wanted all your photos here to be 'Keep Local.' Just thought you would want to know. Ripberger (talk) 04:17, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me.  Giano  09:00, 9 December 2013 (UTC)