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Violett Beane

Could use more eyes on this one – another "names as per common name" situation. I've posted to the Talk page about it as well. Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:05, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Note: It's not that the "fuller name" seems to be "falsified" – it's that it's not the "common name", as I pointed out on the Talk page. The other issue, here, is that particular editor is now edit-warring. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:51, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
@IJBall: He added "Jesse Chambers-Wells" which is not supported by anything in show, not "Jesse Chambers Wells" which has some in-universe support as shown in Jesse Chambers. Chambers-Wells is a surname, Chamber Wells is "Chambers", a middle name followed by "Wells" the surname. The hyphen significantly matters. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:27, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
Ah – got it... I don't watch The Flash anymore, but I don't even remember where the middle name "Chambers" was mentioned – it must have been a "one-off" comment in a single episode... Regardless, I agree that it's not the WP:COMMONNAME (and List of The Flash characters probably also needs to be "cleaned up" on this score, as per WP:TVCAST...). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:35, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Geraldo you keep reverting edits by User:Deathstroke64 on this page. Based on edit history, most of Deathstroke's edits since registering on 23 February 2018 are either on the article Violett Beane, on its talk page, or arguing about Violett Beane on other pages. Don't you think this sounds as a Wikipedia:Single-purpose account? Dimadick (talk) 17:22, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

@Dimadick: Yes but not just on this topic but mostly about one specific credit. He does no other edits and is just trying to push one thing. I had hoped trying to engage in discussion with him would solve the problem, but it looks like he has chosen to ignore the discussions so far and resume his slow motion edit war. Next steps will likely be ANI or ANEW and some blocks to get his attention. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:43, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
I know in my heart that the information I have is correct, so please just let me do what I came to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathstroke64 (talk • contribs) 02:34, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, but that's not how Wikipedia works. What you know ≠ inclusion. Amaury (talk | contribs) 02:38, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
To me, it sounds like the point you’re making is that because Wikipedia is not a reliable source, we should be trying to maintain incorrect information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathstroke64 (talk • contribs) 02:41, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
Quite the opposite, actually. We should only maintain correct information. Amaury (talk | contribs) 02:43, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
Then why do you insist on interfering with my work — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathstroke64 (talk • contribs) 02:44, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
Because your "work" is not correct, no matter how many times you claim it is. It is called original research. Amaury (talk | contribs) 02:47, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Deathstroke64 is still at it, though their edit has changed. Not sure what to do here... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:08, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

@IJBall: ANI or AIAV. Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:19, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
AIV will almost certainly decline this one, and ANI is unlikely to yield satisfaction. I think ANEW is the only play here. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:29, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
@IJBall and Amaury: From a AGF perspective, the last edit appears to be an attempt at a compromise and also an attempt to do what we said was needed, the credited or common name used in the project. I see that as positive progress here. I'd give it a bit more time to see how this plays out before pulling the trigger on an ANI report. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:36, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
@IJBall and Amaury: and then continued to keep pushing it against a reasoned revert. Sigh. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:46, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
If AIV rejects, ANEW seems like a good bet. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:48, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
@IJBall: Well, the report wasn't rejected, but it was removed by a bot for being stale. They seem to have stopped for now, so I'm not going to relist the report; however, if they resume, they need to be taken to ANEW for a block. Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:41, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Billy West

Hello Geraldo Perez, Take note that I reverted your removal of Detroit from the Billy West article. There are references added to back that he was from Detroit. Please in the future DO NOT REMOVE referenced material without a clear explanation of why it is being removed. If you continue this practice it may be construed as vandalism and you could be subject to disciplinary action by administrators including and not limited to temporary or permanent revocation of your editing privileges. Thank you for your cooperation. 23:59, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) So you're going to consider Geraldo a vandal for reverting an IP that removed content without explanation, which Geraldo did mention in his edit summary? All you had to do was re-add the Detroit part. There is no need for threats here. Amaury (talk | contribs) 00:05, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
I wasn't threatening... I was just pointing out Wikipedia's policies and the fact that Detroit was removed and then put back and then removed again multiple times. There is a valid reference to back his hometown and it should be left as is otherwise there could action taken for removal and violation of the 3RR end of story. YborCityJohn (talk) 00:52, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
What's the source? The podcast? Is there no better sourcing for that?! It's no wonder that Geraldo would have missed that – it's why citing print sources are vastly preferable for bio info... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:08, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
His OFFICIAL website that where. YborCityJohn (talk) 01:13, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
OK, so why isn't that used as an inline reference for his being from Detroit? --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:51, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
@YborCityJohn: I am a bit surprised at the intensity of the rebuke here. When I was checking the edit I reverted, I saw a significant amount of content being removed and I reverted with the message "Unexplained removal of content" as the removal of content didn't have a reason. I didn't notice that the IPv6 had added a word in amongst the stuff that was deleted. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:19, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
@Geraldo Perez: The thing is I saw that someone had removed his hometown over and over again and unfortunately you got right in the middle of something that was not your doing and it was at a moment when I happen to overact and I apologize for that. I just get annoyed at IP users who put nonsense in Wikipedia pages because they think its f***ing funny, I have to deal with stuff like that a lot of the pages I follow like WMGM-TV where the IP user keeps putting that the station is an NBC affiliate when it has been one for more than a few years. So if I came off as being an jerk and an a**hole again I apologize. YborCityJohn (talk) 04:00, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Jen Lilley

Geraldo, I find this WP:BLP to be consistently problematic. There's been a parade of IPs and editors that have been trying to add a bunch of frankly WP:UNDUE (and usually poorly sourced or unsourced) content to this article for months... Would reporting it to WP:BLPN do any good? Is there any other recourse here?... Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:05, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

@IJBall: BLPN looks to be a good venue to bring this up. Some of the sources do look weak and the the added info a bit too effusive towards the subject of the article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:23, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 Done: Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Jen Lilley. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:25, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
@IJBall: The IP reverted Nblund's attempt to make the article comply more. No idea if their sources are good or not, though. I'm only experienced with TV stuff. Amaury (talk | contribs) 01:49, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
I've reverted – this isn't just about sourcing: it's about the WP:UNDUE weight of the content added. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:26, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Butterbean's Café

I don't watch the series, so I can't comment definitively, but I'm uncomfortable with this, and I think we've had similar kinds of issues with this editor before... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:27, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving!

 Amaury (talk | contribs) has given you a Turkey! Turkeys promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a turkey, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy Thanksgiving!

Spread the goodness of turkey by adding {{Thanksgiving Turkey}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:32, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

About your revert on Valentine's Day

Hi, I saw you reverted an edit from about 3 days ago with the reason of "Block evasion", however I am not block evading and I have never been blocked (legitimately). Could you please elaborate on why you said this? Thanks, startTerminal {haha wow talk page | waste_of_space#4023 on discord} 06:22, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

@StartTerminal: User talk:TrueLegend23 is a block evading sock and I reverted his edits. Your edit was just a revert to the last of his so wasn't really involved in this. Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:34, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
@Geraldo Perez:, thank you for clairifying this! startTerminal {haha wow talk page | waste_of_space#4023 on discord} 06:36, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Terry Crews reversion

I thought about reverting your reversion but I decided not to bring even more disruption to the page. And what I would have put in the ES is: 'Invalid reason for reversion; no explanation of what was not "good" about the previous version (WP:REVEXP)' (and no note on the article's Talk page). Come on, man, I could have just unaccepted TrueLegend23's many revisions. I considered it, but that wouldn't have been right because not all of his changes were bad (WP:ROWN). And my changes weren't all just revering his wrong changes, but I made a few changes myself. —Musdan77 (talk) 21:25, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

@Musdan77: If you want to own it, please revert my edit. I saw too many BS edits by the sock left on the page and didn't see any clean way to fix them so figured it best to just start over before his disruption. I apologize for stepping on your attempts to salvage things. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:34, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
@Musdan77: One thing to watch for, though, the sock changed his name from Terry to Terrance without giving a source for the name change. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:40, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
OK, first, I did try to find out whether it was Terry or Terrance, but couldn't find it, so I'll just add a cn tag to that (Terry). And then I went to his talk page and saw that he was blocked for sockpuppeting – that was since I made my changes, etc. Anyway, I just wanted to let you know. Thanks. I don't understand why some people who seem to have good intentions yet keep doing things wrong even after being warned. Musdan77 (talk) 22:00, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
@Musdan77: I am certain he knew exactly what he was doing wrong and didn't care. Attempts at communication were ignore, guidance about how to do things properly ignored. Special:Contributions/MisterAnthony, Special:Contributions/TrueLegend23 and Special:contributions/2600:8800:3980:2550::/64 have the pattern of making trivial pointless edits such as template name capitalization and saving after each individual change. Also annoying was OVERLINKING and NOTBROKEN violations. For the accounts it looks like an attempt to drive up edit counts but just ends up clogging up edit histories. The actual number of useful changes was a very small proportion of the edits. TrueLegend23 had 1667 edits over 3 days. It was a major hassle trying to clean up after him. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:19, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Meg Donnelly

May need more eyes on this one – another case of people trying to add a "Discography" before one is warranted. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:08, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

@IJBall: I saw the edit, but I wasn't sure if it was good or not, so I left it for you to decide. Then I saw the unsourced birthday change and was going to revert and got sidetracked. Amaury (talk | contribs) 22:13, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
@Amaury: In general, 'Discography' sections should not be added to articles of "artists" who don't chart – this falls under the same umbrella as not calling someone a "singer" in their article just because they "sing" (e.g. Asher Angel). You're not a singer (as a "career") unless and until you chart – then you become notable as such, and only then is a 'Discography' section appropriate. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:17, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
@Amaury: – you're up: edit. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:26, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

96.250.60.180

Please keep an eye on 96.250.60.180 – it looks to me like nearly everything they've been added to WP:BLP Filmographies has been fraudulent – at the least it's unsourced future content (which is also not in IMDb, so highly suspicious...). If the IP keeps this up, they will likely need to be blocked. Pinging Ebyabe so they're aware of this IP as well. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:58, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

@IJBall: I'll watch this one. Lots of warnings, no blocks, and recent intensity somewhat low. Should be blocked next time dubious unsourced additions happen. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:09, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television#Standard practices

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television#Standard practices. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:44, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Re: Your last edit to Ralph Breaks the Internet

When sending the part for the arcade cabinet to Litwak's, the eBay employee confirms the address of the arcade as being in California... but that category is probably still wrong because the main setting really isn't the arcade, and I think the "personification of the internet" transcends real-life location a little bit. Just wanted to put that down since you asked where that was defined and I thought it might be helpful for understanding where people adding that category are coming from. - Purplewowies (talk) 17:34, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

@Purplewowies: I understand and saw your edit history note after I removed the category. I didn't see it mentioned in the article when I checked and categories should be supported by article content per WP:CATV. I don't see it as a defining category for the film, though, as you stated above. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:41, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Stephen Hillenburg – SpongeBob SquarePants creator

I'm sure there are enough editors already, but more never hurt, right? I've never had this on my watchlist before—not sure about you and the others—but might just temporarily watch this article, given recent events. Ping IJBall and MPFitz1968 as well. Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:09, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

And perhaps SpongeBob articles as well. Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:12, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Austin & Ally

The edit itself isn't a problem, but is this category WP:DEFINING? As you know, I went through and cleaned up the article a while ago, and none of the sources I saw mentioned it as a musical or musical comedy, unlike School of Rock. Music does seem to be a prominent focus in Austin & Ally, but is it defining? Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:15, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

@Amaury: Based on the premise it looks defining for this series. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:06, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

List of Good Luck Charlie episodes

I reverted a couple of times over there today, with an IP changing the air date of one of the season 2 episodes, "Teddy on Ice", from November 27, 2011, to January 29, 2012, which goes against two references mentioned under References (TV Guide and The Futon Critic). Checked the edit history over the last few months and see other IPs have been doing the same (some of which you reverted, Geraldo). Clearly a case of WP:KIDSTVDATES. IJBall, Amaury, if you're up to watching this article, I'd have no problem seeing extra eyes on this one. MPFitz1968 (talk) 03:09, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968: Happens on too many articles. Some look like vandalism. Others may be air dates in their country. I normally check to see if they are reverting a recent change but otherwise if they give no explanation in the edit history just consider it an unsourced change and drop a warning message about unsourced changes. One reason for keeping column references that support airdates is making this type of stuff easier to verify and catch. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:09, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

WP:OVERLINKING

Does this apply only to links that are exactly the same or links that lead to the same place? (Like John Smith would only be linked once per section and once per infobox.) For example, Nickelodeon and Nickelodeon Productions both link to the same place, but are different "links"—or, rather, different text. As they both lead to the same place, should only the first instance be linked here? Which in this case would be the company. Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:52, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

@Amaury: If it goes via a redirect it might change to be some other destination, maybe a pertinent section in the article, or the redirect may become an article at some time in the future. I wouldn't consider it overlinking if the displayed text is different. It might be worth it to make the redirect point to something more relevant. Maybe Nickelodeon on Sunset would be a better choice for Nickelodeon Productions as that seems to have the most information on actually producing stuff. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:22, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Descendants (franchise)

I've just given IP 140.144.127.20 their final warning for disruptive editing at this article. If you see them do it again, please report them to WP:AIV for a block... Thanks! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:31, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Geraldo – I just got 140.144.127.20 blocked for 14 days at WP:AIV for this nonsense. But I see you've just reverted 140.144.127.19 for the exact same thing – Is it worth it to report this IP to AIV as well for "block evasion"?... Or is WP:RfPP a better bet here? --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:17, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
@IJBall: Definitely. May need to watch for others in the /24 range too. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:20, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Birdman

Geraldo Perez, Can u determine the cause of death on Me Gladys Oreratile1207 (talk) 11:41, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

@Oreratile1207: I don't understand what is being asked. In general, though, if not sourced, no. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:45, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Me gladys

Sorry about that, I was being disrespectful, I know that, I'll never ask that silly question again Oreratile1207 (talk) 22:28, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Dual-national BLPLEAD question

Geraldo, is this how we normally handle dual-nationals in WP:BLPLEADs? I.E., with a hyphen? If we accept the "dual-national part", I thought we generally did something like "...American and Norwegian actress..." not "Norwegian-American actress" (which implies "ethnicity"). This is aside from the whole separate issue that most (all?) of subject's "notable works" have been in the United States, not Norway. Pinging Ponyo to this discussion for obvious reasons... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:30, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

If we use Charlize Theron as an example, the lead is broken down as you suggest above. In her interviews (which are included in the article sourcing) Froseth speaks of her strong ties to both countries, so in addition to the reliable sourcing of nationality there is self-identification. -- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 19:43, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
OK. I'll wait for Geraldo's comment, but if he agrees, we'll go to an "...and..." formulation, as I think that is how this issue is generally handled. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:46, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
@IJBall and Ponyo: Dual national with notable activities in both locations. I would support Norwegian and American or American and Norwegian both mean the same thing. I commented on talk page. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:49, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Warner Animation shorts

Super Soozie is a short from Smallfoot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.77.101.83 (talk) 21:54, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Carlos Pena Jr.#Requested move 13 December 2018

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Carlos Pena Jr.#Requested move 13 December 2018. I suspect it would be useful if you weighed in here, as this one's on your watchlist. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:25, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Fair use images

Moved to User talk:Editsandgrowth § Fair use of images
 – Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:40, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Larry Joe Campbell

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Larry Joe Campbell . Posting this here because you, me, and Amaury should take a closer look at it before it closes. My guess is that despite being a prolific character actor, Campbell hasn't got enough coverage to pass WP:BASIC, but we should all try to take a look at it first... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:48, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

I don't know if I'm of any help here, as I'm not familiar with him. Oh, wait. Guest starred as Mr. Doyle on Best Friends Whenever. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:02, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
@Amaury: His biggest role was on According to Jim, which lasted 8 years on ABC earlier in the century. (One of the editors at the AfD points that out.) He has a large scattering of other appearances on various TV series, including some from Disney Channel (I Didn't Do It, BFW, Dog With a Blog). The According to Jim one clearly stands out, but the WP:NACTOR guideline expects multiple main roles. I do recall Geraldo a while back mentioning something about an actor being in a significant role on a series lasting a lot of seasons may override this point, but I can't say if that's enough to establish NACTOR notability. MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:15, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
Main role for 8 years is pretty significant in my opinion. I know NACTOR suggests multiple main roles but hard to do that when locked down for that much time on a single series. The article as it stands has one source but multiple significant coverage sources are available as pointed out in the discussion. Subject looks to meet BASIC (and intent of NACTOR) but article needs to include the references. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:30, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
Still needs to be looked at more closely, because I'm not sure if the sources offered up in the AfD are any good (I dunno on my end, because I haven't had time to check them yet...). But, yeah - in a case like this, meeting WP:BASIC is more important than meeting WP:NACTOR... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:08, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Taylor Atelian

Not to go off on a tangent here, but IJBall, could you look at that article? Was checking According to Jim, and noticed she has an article. (She was the older of Jim Belushi's two daughters in the series, Ruby.) Sources are scarce, and she lacks any other significant roles. There is the mention that she is/was part of a musical girl group called Pink-E-Swear, but I'm thinking hardly any notability in the music circuit of that group, at least to Wikipedia standards (I'll have to do further searching on their music). Not to be WP:OSE/WP:ILIKEIT/WP:IDONTLIKEIT here, but if Campbell's article is deleted, I don't see why this one would/should exist. MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:48, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968: The sources currently used in the article are no good. Subject doesn't appear to meet WP:NACTOR (at least, not for TV roles alone). Have no idea if they meet WP:ENTERTAINER (separately) for the "girl group" (but I've never heard of it, so...). So the issue comes down to – is there enough independent sourcing about the subject here to meet WP:BASIC. I'm going to guess that there isn't.... But this is one I'd actually take to WP:AfD rather than WP:PRODing or redirecting it, I think. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:13, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
AfD filed. MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:45, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:List of K.C. Undercover episodes#Q: Should It's A Laugh Productions Get Its Own Filmography Or Not?

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of K.C. Undercover episodes#Q: Should It's A Laugh Productions Get Its Own Filmography Or Not?. You and IJBall seem to be more familiar with filmographies. Amaury (talk | contribs) 01:55, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

@Amaury: I have no idea what is being asked on that page. I'm missing some context I guess. It's a Laugh Productions effectively already has a filmography section. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:31, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
FTR, that table violates WP:ACCESS. If I get bored enough, and I remember, I may "fix" that... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:24, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Merry

Happy Christmas!
Hello Geraldo Perez,
Early in A Child's Christmas in Wales the young Dylan and his friend Jim Prothero witness smoke pouring from Jim's home. After the conflagration has been extinguished Dylan writes that

Nobody could have had a noisier Christmas Eve. And when the firemen turned off the hose and were standing in the wet, smoky room, Jim's Aunt, Miss. Prothero, came downstairs and peered in at them. Jim and I waited, very quietly, to hear what she would say to them. She said the right thing, always. She looked at the three tall firemen in their shining helmets, standing among the smoke and cinders and dissolving snowballs, and she said, "Would you like anything to read?"

My thanks to you for your efforts to keep the 'pedia readable in case the firemen chose one of our articles :-) Best wishes to you and yours and happy editing in 2019. MarnetteD|Talk 22:36, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

User:47.16.118.140 problem

This guy, User:47.16.118.140, keeps adding Danny Elfman, for some reason. 2 hours ago, he added him to Men in Black International, again w/out a source. I already reverted this. He seems to have a fixation on adding Danny Elfman for no reason. I propose that he should be blocked. Thoughts? Cardei012597 (talk) 03:44, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

@Cardei012597: He had a final warning before your last message on his page so I reported him to WP:AIV. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:46, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Game Shakers and reporting an end date

Facts:

  • The series is canceled
  • The third season has 18 episodes
  • Only 7 of those episodes have aired
  • Last new episode was on April 8, almost nine full months
  • Last year, the series went on hiatus after May 20 and returned on September 10—almost four full months

Normal procedure is to mark a series as over if there have been no official announcements and no new episodes for a year or more. Come April 8, 2019, if there are still no new episodes of Game Shakers, it will have been one year with no new episodes. However, with the third season having 18 episodes, and only 7 of those having aired so far, that means there are still 11 episodes that need to air. So, should that turn out to be like this, how should we handle it? Even though it would be a year, there are still unaired episodes. Amaury (talk | contribs) 06:01, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

@Amaury: After the year is up change it to the date of the last aired episode per the infobox instructions. If they actually do start airing them again, then it goes back to "present" until all remaining episodes air or year passes again. They might have actually done a hard cancel and may never air those episodes. Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:21, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
From my understanding, networks are under contracts and obligations which require them to air all episodes of a series, even canceled ones. Doesn't matter how, as long as they do. They could have a burn-off marathon, air premieres on a sister channel such as TeenNick—for example, Star Falls, which is more than likely canceled, being moved to TeenNick—et cetera. K.C. Undercover may be another example of this, with its last-minute scheduling change back in January of this year. Amaury (talk | contribs) 06:38, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
@Amaury: They have to pay for what was contracted for even if they don't air them. Firefly is an example of a series that got cut off before all the completed episode got aired. Last 3 eventually first aired outside US, but not on Fox. Syndication airs them all. Interesting history. I finally got to see them all on home media. Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:59, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

My edit

I read the source, Jónsi is mentioned in the article. –apap04 talk | contributions 15:54, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

@Apap04: I read the reference too and Jónsi appears to be a song composer not involved in the score. Template:Infobox_film/doc for the music attribute in the infobox says "Insert the name(s) of the composer(s) of the original music score. They are usually credited with "Music by". Composers credited for "additional music" and song writers should not be included." Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:22, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Geraldo Perez: I am removing the Tamar Braxton pic because she perfers other pics than that one. So if you could choose another that would be great. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garnere285 (talk • contribs) 15:39, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

@Garnere285: Since free-use images of celebrities are hard to obtain that is the best one we have right now. If you can find a replacement and upload it to Commons, great. If she objects she can contact WP:OTRS and request removal. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:06, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Terminology and more

"Intro" is not standard terminology on Wikipedia – at least, not for the first sentence. WP:INTRO disambiguates as the lead (as I pointed out), but not the first sentence. At WP:LEAD, I don't see any special term for that sentence at all.

Also, some of your edits (not just at the article I was referring to above) seem... haphazard. Please be more attentive, especially when making changes to long-standing content that isn't obviously unsuitable. Modernponderer (talk) 23:35, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:New Warriors (TV series)#The end of the year

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:New Warriors (TV series)#The end of the year. — Lbtocthtalk 19:27, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Season's greetings

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019!

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Christmas 2018

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Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:02, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Andi Mack – Stoney Westmoreland's firing

Over on Talk:Bizaardvark#Jake Paul, you mentioned the following: Don't really need an explanation at all in this article. Just that he left the show is all that matters, the reasons belong more in the actor article. Actual reasons are complex and don't really add much to this article to try to either fully explain or accurately summarize. Emphasis mine.

How do we handle it here since Stoney Westmoreland has no article? Do we treat it the same and just state that he was fired or do we briefly mention the details on the Andi Mack article since, in this case, the actor has no Wikipedia page? Amaury (talk | contribs) 05:57, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

@Amaury: I think, in this specific situation, a brief sentence of why is appropriate as it directly relates to safety of minors on the show being the reason for his firing. No more than that. It would not be appropriate to dwell on it. Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:30, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
[1] Feel free to copy-edit. Amaury (talk | contribs) 07:22, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
I know you're already watching it, but just a heads up that I will need some extra attention on the article from you and MPFitz1968 for a while, given the recent news. This is the second time someone's added a source for what happened to his character bio. First, that kind of info belongs in the Production section; second, they're just adding a source and that's it, which has nothing to do with the info presented there. Next, (seasons 1–3) is pointless for two reasons: 1) There are still episodes with him guest starring to air and 2) There are only three seasons right now, so putting that range is pointless. (It's akin to the people who wanted to put (seasons 1–2) for Jake Paul before we knew whether the series would continue past the second season, which it ended up doing, or not.) If the series is not renewed for a fourth season, then it should stay as is; however, if the series is renewed for a fourth season, then (seasons 1–3) would be appropriate. Amaury (talk | contribs) 15:35, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Here's an article from yesterday with an update on the fiasco. Should we add anything from there to Andi Mack or would that be the "dwelling on it" that you mentioned and what's mentioned in the Andi Mack article is sufficient? Amaury (talk | contribs) 22:40, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

@Amaury: It adds nothing more of value to the article over what is already there. Point is he was fired from the show for a given reason. Details beyond that belong elsewhere. Current source is enough, other source could be supplemental to that. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:20, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Miley Cyrus

It's well-sourced in the article? It took me literally 5 minutes to find the "Personal life" section buried way at bottom of the article under "Tours" with a single sentence and citation to People magazine. I definitely don't like citations in infoboxes but if it took me that long to even find mention of the marriage in the article, imagine what our average reader is going through. --Laser brain (talk) 16:38, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Who Is America?#Plot Summaries

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Who Is America?#Plot Summaries . — Lbtocthtalk 01:13, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Update: Right after I messaged you, the discussion became closed. So, please ignore this. — Lbtocthtalk 02:33, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
Update: It became open again suddenly. — Lbtocthtalk 21:47, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Ashley Grace

Really not sure what to do here: Ashley Grace was a redirect to Ashley Hinshaw, as that is how the latter has been credited lately. (In fact, I've been considering starting up a WP:RM to move Ashley Hinshaw to Ashley Grace. Now somebody has created a questionable article over top of the redirect. If the subject isn't notable, the redirect should be restored. But, if the article is notable – is it even at the correct title? And, if it is, there's now a problem because Ashley Hinshaw should likely also be moved to Ashley Grace, so we'll have two articles then in need of disambiguation. Also pinging MPFitz1968 to take a look... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 06:39, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

@IJBall: I'm not seeing how the Ashley Grace referred to in the current version of the article is notable, as the article is talking more about her group with her sister called Ha*Ash. The group clearly satisfies WP:NMUSIC, having charted at least a couple of number-one singles among their other credits ([2][3]), but Ashley herself doesn't, nor other notability guidelines, at least not demonstrated from the sources presently in the article. Where it says "As solo artist" in the article doesn't refer specifically to songs or albums just by her, so I don't know if she has a bona fide solo career at this point. Despite that, the redirect is a difficult choice, since members of a music group can be redirected to the group itself, but there are clearly two different people under consideration named Ashley Grace. I'd be inclined to go with the original redirect, but this may need to go the RfD route to determine if there needs to be disambiguation between the two, despite the lack of notability of the Ha*Ash singer. MPFitz1968 (talk) 07:34, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
@IJBall: I basically agree with MPFitz1968. The current article likely needs to go through AfD for any delete to stick. If deleted the current article should be a disambiguation page pointing to both articles. If not deleted WP:NATDIS will likely discourage the Hinshaw article from being renamed and the Grace article would get a hatnote. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:13, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Geraldo Perez!

Happy New Year!

Geraldo Perez,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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