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List of shipwrecks in October 1944

Thanks for your addition. I've fixed the format issue and referenced the entry using {{cite book}}. Please check that the details are all correct and amend as necessary. Mjroots (talk) 05:47, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Looking through your recent contributions, would you be so kind as to reference book entries for various shipwrecks? Mjroots (talk) 05:50, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Problematic editing

Hi. I've just noticed your edits of the various shipwreck lists. It's problematic that you as far as I've seen don't provide references. Mentioning sources in edit summaries do not suffice. Please provide references to your edits, or else we will have to revert them. Manxruler (talk) 22:21, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

On another, related, issue, we don't add damaged ships to the shipwreck lists. Damaged ships are not shipwrecks. Manxruler (talk) 08:45, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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I see you are still having problems with referencing, although you are trying to add references, which is appreciated. To assist you, you can copy and paste the following for citing books and websites.

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{{cite web |url= |title= |publisher= |accessdate=}}

There are othere parameters that may be included, see {{cite book}} or {{cite web}} as appropriate, but these are the basic minimum needed to adequately cite from books or websites. If you need any further assistance please let me know. Mjroots (talk) 05:34, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ISBN stands for International Standard Book Number. These were introduced in the late 1960s so a book published in 1965 won't have one. Carry on the good work. Mjroots (talk) 06:56, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Using Wikipedia as a source on Wikipedia

Hi. Please don't use Wikipedia as a reference on Wikipedia. We can't cite Wikipedia for edits on Wikipedia. See: WP:COPYWITHIN. However, Kiebitz did belong on that list. See how I tweaked your entry. Manxruler (talk) 04:59, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Captured ship listed as shipwrecks

Hi George. Could you please stop listing captured/surrendered ships as shipwrecks? A captured ship isn't a shipwreck or sunk. Manxruler (talk) 11:16, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There are separate lists for captured ships. They don't belong on the shipwreck lists. Manxruler (talk) 11:19, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, OK, but...there's lots of ships listed that were damaged & declared Total Losses & scapped w/o ever sinking or even being beached. Captured would be "otherwise lost" I'd think, at least for the side that lost it. Maybe should change header to say sunk temporarily or permanently only.George 1861 (talk) 20:41, 1 June 2013 (UTC)George[reply]

Captured ship go on lists like this one. We don't have a 20th century one just yet. Yes, those are closer to shipwrecks than captured ships, those ships are physically lost in shipwreck-like situations. A bit vague perhaps, but still, I think the header is good enough as is. A beaching is a sort of shipwreck, too. Manxruler (talk) 22:40, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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How good is your German? I've found a site giving a chronicle of German naval forces during WWII, which would be very useful for expanding the monthly shipwreck lists. Google translate does a reasonable job on German. Mjroots (talk) 10:26, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No ability with German. How does the translator work?

Copy and paste text, select languages, click. Simples. Google translate Mjroots (talk) 18:24, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is the source I found. try copying a few entries from the individual months and seeing how well Google can translate them. Be aware that the translation won't be exact, but you should be able to make reasonable sense of most of it. Mjroots (talk) 18:28, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How are you getting on with the German source? If you can't manage it say so and I'll shout at MILHIST for a German speaker. Mjroots (talk) 19:19, 7 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Looks interesting! A bit bulky doing the copy-n-paste to the translator though! Thanks! Will be perusing it in the future! :-)

Just a question of having three windows open at once. I'm looking forward to the additions to the various lists. Mjroots (talk) 21:30, 7 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Recent shipwreck list additions

Hi there. How come you have decided to add tons of essentially unreferenced details to shipwreck list? In many cases there are no references at all for your additions, and there are even cases where your additions conflict with the articles about the ships in question. Also, there should be limits to the level of details used in our shipwreck lists.

If you are relying on World War II Sea War: France Falls, Britain Stands Alone: Day-to-Day Naval Actions from April 1940 through September 1940, without citing the book very often? It looks like you are. You should know that that book is riddled with errors, particularly when it comes to ships of non-English speaking nations. Manxruler (talk) 17:06, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, wasn't aware of accuracy problems. Seemed to be interesting relevant details. Did add that as a ref to a listing w/o any refs. As far as things like running aground and collisions not being war related....I suspect the war could very well be responsible for a lot of these. Navigation aids destroyed or turned off, ships running lights turned off, ect.George 1861 (talk) 17:14, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose there are varying opinions as to how much detail is good in lists like this. You should, however, always add a ref to the info you are adding, that is central.

What has often been done at shipwreck lists, is that if the ship in question has an article (like Frøya does), then the info in the listing has been based on the info in the article, and not always having a separate ref, although I think that might perhaps not be the right way to go in the long run.

With regards to the book, I read that a few years ago, and I was disappointed at how many mistakes there were, it seems the authors have consulted non-English sources only to a limited extent (and misread or misunderstood quite a lot). Manxruler (talk) 17:26, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And, yes, accidents very probably increased during the war years, but there's no way we can truly tie accidents directly to the war all the time. Manxruler (talk) 17:28, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to say also (and impossible to know) is...if war wasn't on would the ship(s) have even been in that location/circumstances, I suspect not. I'll be more diligent when adding things.George 1861 (talk) 17:32, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. Cheers. Manxruler (talk) 17:38, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I see you're doing it on purpose now, huh? Schooner, sloop, and harbor should all be lower case. I don't know why you make them upper case. You can stop now. ST1849 (talk) 15:55, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Actually had no idea what you were talking about. I thought a Title like Sloop or Schooner should be capitalized. I ofter see Malta Harbor or Harbor of Boston capitalized. But I'll stop were you seem upset by it.

Those are proper nouns. Regular nouns (e.g. schooner, harbor, sloop, or any other ship name) shouldn't ever be capitalized. It looks amateurish. And you've been on here over a decade. You should know to indent your replies by now. ST1849 (talk) 16:09, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Learning as I go! :-)

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Be good if there was a link to the actual entry instead of the whole Month! :-) George 1861 (talk) 14:21, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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It would be a help if you could provide the page number in the 218 pages of material that need to be searched through to find what you claim. The information is pertinent to the article, but I am unsure how it fits in the scheme of the article. Can you help with this? ```` Cuprum17 (talk) 10:49, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are wiki pages for USRC & USS General Greene, but niether shows the ship in operation at times I stated. Ship operated under Navy controll & Treasury Dept support, apparently transfered to USN Navy later, will update when I get to that point.

Seems to be inaccurate info on operations of one or the other. Page 210 for the 1st part of 1798 reference, actually there's an index at the bottom of part 3 with a number of refrences to the ship, page 210 is the earliest. George 1861 (talk) 15:00, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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