User talk:GeorgeHouse19
'Chosen' sounds democratic when he is not a local to Somerset (where I live). It is well known around here that he was brought in to get a 'safe seat'. Parachuted in is a correct political term.
See: wiki.riteme.site/wiki/List_of_political_metaphors
-parachute candidate / carpetbagger: a candidate who runs for election in an area which he or she is not a native resident or has no ties.
Have changed to suit. However regarding the Americans, my view is that if they can't handle British political nomenclature that's their problem. He is a British politician. I find the word filibuster offensive, are they going to get rid of that on multiple wiki pages?
August 2012
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Your recent editing history at Jeremy Browne shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.
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Hi! You undid an edit here which was removed as unsourced, but you didn't add a source, so I'm going to correct the problem again. Remember that Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy wouldn't generally allow the use of negatively-biased slang as a descriptor of the subject of an article, even if you do have a source that calls him the same term. It's better to describe the facts as neutrally as possible. If you have a close connection with Jeremy Browne that makes it hard to edit neutrally about him, it's okay to edit an article that you care less passionately about instead. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 23:55, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
FisherQueen.
The page itself is a source - it clearly states that he's from Islington and lived all over the world before settling in London for a few years when he was contesting Enfield, Southgate, which means he's not a native of Somerset. A parachute candidate is someone who ' who runs for election in an area which he or she is not a native resident' and as we are clearly told on the wiki page for Jeremy Browne he isn't. Surely the term does apply in this instance in a neutral way?
George House.
For your edification. Browne was selected my a majority vote of the Local Party membership in Taunton after an open application process. This is the policy for all UK Liberal Democrat Candidate Selection for Parliamentary and European elections. The National Party cannot interfere with this local process. Source [[1]] I also find your definition of a safe seat interesting as not only was this a constituency without a large Liberal majority it was in fact Conservative held. Don't let facts get in the way of your opinion. I would just rather it was not presented as fact in an encyclopedia.--90.192.34.254 (talk) 14:45, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
FisherQueen.
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I find your condescending remark suggesting that I should remedy my perspective quite offensive. Regardless of the 'open application process' that Mr Browne passed through to get elected he's still not a native of the South West, specifically the constituency he's an MP for. Therefore he would certainly qualify as a parachute candidate (a non native resident, i.e. someone who has not lived there for a long time, or has any significant loyalty to a particular locale) for Taunton, even if the National Party did not interfere in his election directly. As far as the safe seat issue goes the South West has experienced a massive liberal shift within the last ten years, particularly in Somerset, which the party has been keen to capitalise on. In other words, it was pretty much known to be inevitable that he or some other Liberal candidate would get in. If you remember, Adrian Flook barely got in during his 2001 election and was widely criticised by the local populace for the majority of his time in office, particularly by college students (the people who voted for Browne in the last election) during the anti-war protests that took pace in Taunton in c. 2003. I think my editorial decision to apply the term 'parachute candidate' to Mr Browne, who is a 'career politician', rather than a 'locally concerned politician', having no significant ties to Taunton Deane outside of his political preview, was and remains justified, and should be re-inserted.
@Georgehouse - You seem to be arguing that to use the wording on the Jeremy Browne page that he was chosen or selected to represent the Taunton Constituency implies that a democratic process was used to pick him. Your point of view seems to be an accusation that he was not democratically selected. This would be a serious allegation to place in a wiki biography page with the potential to do harm. You have not provided any sources to suggest that democratic processes were not followed in this case and you would be well advised to look at the objectivity of your own POV and whether it conforms to neutral point of view policy. OutragedOfOake (talk) 14:21, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Wow. No that's not what I'm saying. I've never argued that Jeremy Brown wasn't elected through a democratic ballot, when he clearly was. My point is, and has always been, that he is not, and never has been until shortly before the 2005 election, a geographical or social native to the constituency that he is now representing (Taunton Deane). If he is not a native then he can be accurately described as a parachute candidate because Mr Browne would had to have moved from London to Taunton after his failed Enfield Southgate contest in order to get elected. As the Wiki definition clearly says: a parachute candidate is someone 'who runs for election in an area which he or she is not a native resident'. This term clearly describes Mr Browne during this election. Unless you can't comprehend what I have said, or have any compelling evidence to refute my point, I would strongly advocate that my definition should be re-inserted.
@GeorgeHouse - you are trying to add a slang term with negative implications to the biography of a living person. I am afraid that "It is well known around here" is not compelling sourcing for your proposed addition. You may indeed be too close to this subject to objectively describe it. I fully support FisherQueen's editorial perspective here and strongly suggest that you read Wiki guidelines on NPOV and Harm before editing pages. OutragedOfOake (talk) 22:40, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
The evidence is within the Wiki itself, I'm very aware that subjective conjecture wouldn't hold up here (well...). I'm merely applying a political term that accurately describes the nature of the events that occurred. If you believe this term to be a negative slang term that's your problem, it's simply a term that can be applied to most career politicians in their efforts to get elected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.30.73.90 (talk) 09:45, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
There used to be an editor called verthandi who liked to post harmful and biased additions to the Jeremy Browne page. He did the same on newspaper websites too. He was banned. The only other thing he liked to edit was Anglo Saxon, Norman and Roman history pages. Looks like he might now be calling himself GeorgeHouse19. If so, hi Trevor--90.192.34.254 (talk) 15:15, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
I have no idea who that guy was, I am not the same person. My comments towards Mr Browne are not bias, merely observational. If this is a political comment in an attempt to prevent people from commenting on Mr Browne I suggest that you cease and desist your indirectly harmful comments.
You're obviously a political stooge I suggest you leave me alone.