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Lungfish taxonomy

Felt obliged to personally thank you for cleaning up the mess of oversuperlinking (especially that Australian Lungfish article), creating articles and generally enriching the wider content on the subject. I am no big fish in wiki but your work makes my efforts and editing attempts much easier. --Draco ignoramus sophomoricus (talk) 12:32, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Incertae sedis taxonomy

When you changed Template:Taxonomy/Incertae sedis, you messed up all the articles which used this node in the classification hierarchy; all kinds of organisms ended up appearing to be cartilaginous fish, or had messed up taxoboxes.

It's best to manage uncertain placements like this via manual taxoboxes. Peter coxhead (talk) 09:56, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add your sources to all new pages you create (e.g. Vallarta mud turtle.) It's not very helpful seeing article on new taxa devoid of any references, and I can only assume you had access to them when you wrote it. I see others have also raised this issue with you. You might like to try this one for starters. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:28, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tropidomantis kawaharai

Thanks for this article! Is there any more coverage of this species proving that it's a generally accepted identification? I notice that it doesn't have an Encyclopedia of Life page. Blythwood (talk) 22:29, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately no, it's a very recently described species.--Geekgecko (talk) 17:41, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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My only slight qualm about this is the unattributed quotes - you've cited Collar and Boesman as a reference, and put the descriptions of the birds' songs in quote marks, but I feel these out to be attributed in the text, along the lines of '...described by Collar and Boesman as a "song of three rising notes"...' - hope that makes sense, cheers

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@Girth Summit: Solved! Geekgecko (talk) 17:37, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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I. melanoderma

Hola - just checking, did you want to make new article for the species? If no, I'll be happy to create a shortie later today, but I'm not going to step on your toes :) --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 20:45, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, feel free! Geekgecko (talk) 20:55, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 22:22, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Avoid original research

I removed in a manner similar to that of Natalia Poklonskaya in 2014 from your edit to Kim Yo-jong. The source you cited has no mention of Poklonskava. Schazjmd (talk) 16:44, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Ranks in taxonomy templates

Hi, just a note to say that ranks should be lower case Latin in all taxonomy templates, e.g. "subordo", "familia" rather than "Suborder", "family". The system may appear to work otherwise, but not all checks may be performed correctly. Peter coxhead (talk) 08:26, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fish taxonomy

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- Oh no! I did make some pretty significant changes yesterday to Leuciscidae, much greater than with Tinca; how'll I be able to reverse them? I noticed Leuciscidae, Tincidae, and several other families as red links on the main Cypriniformes page, and so I assumed that Wikipedia had accepted the 2018 study but hadn't got around to changing the pages according to it yet. What do I do? --Geekgecko (talk) 13:40, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, I have changed those that were on my Watchlist. You had the right idea, articles should be updated to show new research but always in the context that there is an accepted basic taxonomy. If you look at the discussion on the WikiProject Fishes page from a year or two ago you will see that there were some moves to use deepfin (Betancur et al). I have amended Xenocyprinae and retained your changes but tried to put them into the context that Fishes of the World is Wikipedia's base source for Fish taxonomy.Quetzal1964 (talk) 15:07, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ellen/Elliot Page

I don't think you should be going around to every work Page has worked on to change the name to Elliot. At the time of the works she was Ellen. You should have taken it to a discussion board. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 18:28, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

IUCN references

Hello Geekgecko, just a note to say that when updating IUCN status please be sure to update the reference also, as I've done at e.g. Shorea rugosa and Tectona philippinensis . Also note that distribution may have changed between assessments, as at Shorea rugosa (from Borneo endemic to Borneo and Sumatra). Thanks Declangi (talk) 03:52, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dire wolf

Hello, thanks for updating Dire wolf. Would you mind moving the taxonomic proposals out of the lede and into the article body under Taxonomy, please? Your average reader here wants to read simply about the dire wolf in the lede, and not about some taxonomic issue which may - or may not - be accepted. (It is best that you do it before somebody else does.) Additionally, there is no need to bold Aenocyon, under MOS:BOLD. William Harris (talk) 20:22, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OK

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Questionable assignments in the automated taxobox system

There's a standard way of showing questionable assignments of parent taxa in the automated taxobox system, which is described briefly at Wikipedia:Automated taxobox system/advanced taxonomy#Questionable assignments. I've set up Template:Taxonomy/Lamniformes/? in this way. It's one of the more obscure features of the system! Peter coxhead (talk) 10:46, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Did it, thanks! Geekgecko (talk) 06:47, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I apologize for my non-consolidation of edits; even I know it's a problem of mine. Sometimes I just find a fact worth adding right after I click "publish", so I go back to add it in. In addition, while there's a way to switch from visual to code editor, there doesn't seem to be a way to switch back from code to visual, forcing me to publish to page so that I can go back to visual.Geekgecko (talk) 18:06, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yes, we're all guilty of having afterthoughts! Never knew that about the visual interface; I have yet to try it. Eric ^talk 19:59, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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- Thanks! I was just transferring some relevant content from the Peromyscus maniculatus article due to a recent species split, and it's possible there was some plagiarized content on that article that I happened to transfer.Geekgecko (talk) 14:58, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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add a header to the subspecies table

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{{Re|MPGuy2824}} Will do, thanks!Geekgecko (talk) 04:36, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gould's mouse

Thanks for the update [1]. However, the German wikipedia already had (English) references about its rediscovery in 2020. The article still mentions its extinct status in the categories. Also in [[2]]. Shouldn't they be updated as well? --VanBuren (talk) 10:57, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Western meadow vole

Thanks for creating this page. I made an edit summary (Special:Diff/1032870638) to note that some content was split from Eastern deer mouse, to provide proper attribution. More info at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. Happy editing! DanCherek (talk) 05:14, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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This is named after somebody called Richardson. If you can find a source and add a line for that, it would be great

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MPGuy2824 (talk) 03:22, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@MPGuy2824: If I would have to guess, it was probably named after the naturalist John Richardson, but I unfortunately can't find any sources about this. Doesn't help that until it was just recently upgraded as the name for all non-Arctic ermines in North America (due to it being the earliest-described of all the American subspecies), it was a relatively obscure subspecies. Geekgecko (talk) 15:50, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Peliperdix

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For some reason, you tagged this empty category as being part of a CFD deletion discussion but you didn't post any category nomination on the linked page, Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 July 14. It appears that you emptied this category of six articles which is not the approved way to delete a category. Did you still want to nominate this category by a formal deletion discussion or should I replace the articles back into this category? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:14, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Liz, I emptied the category in accordance to recent taxonomic changes by the IOC (Wikipedia's main authority for bird taxonomy). Given that there shouldn't be any objection to such changes, I just wanted the category to have a speedy deletion, but it looks that by accident I gave the tag for a formal deletion. I don't think there needs to be a formal deletion, a speedy deletion should be enough.Geekgecko (talk) 03:05, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I'll remove the CFD tag and place a CSD C1 tag on it instead. Thank you for the explanation. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:06, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Considering Tamaulipas jackrabbit article creation

Hi there @Geekgecko:. At the Hare article and at the classification section there is a red link at that section. If you won't mind when i ask you this; but could you in anyway create Tamaulipas jackrabbit article like how you created the Haida ermine, American ermine, Caucasian badger and the Pacific marten articles? I would really love that article to exist and learn more about this species of jackrabbit called the Tamaulipas jackrabbit. When i went to a website called mammaldiversity.org and went there at this link [3], i learned a few things from it. One that the Tamaulipas jackrabbit is native to Mexico and mostly endemic there, Second that it was first described by E.W. Nelson in 1907, and third i also learned that it was formerly conspecific or a subspecies of Black-tailed jackrabbit, but later on the Tamaulipas jackrabbit was then classified as a separate species and that it had split off from the black-tailed jackrabbit, though i am not sure when did that occur. So once again, can you kindly create the Tamaulipas jackrabbit at any time? Best regards. -- 47.53.87.28 (talk) 15:08, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- Awesome! I'm pretty sure that MammalDiversity would now be considered Wikipedia's main authority for mammal taxonomy as it succeeds Mammal Species of the World, which was explicitly stated to be Wikipedia's main mammalian taxonomy authority on a few talk pages. So I'd say go for it!

EDIT: Whoops, I misread; looks like you're asking for me to create it. I'll do it soon!Geekgecko (talk) 05:18, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- - Did it!Geekgecko (talk) 21:34, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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- Thank you! I've been making a lot of fast-paced edits recently and forgot. All my edits to phasianid taxonomy are based on recent changes to the IOC World Bird List (Wikipedia's primary authority for bird taxonomy), with the list citing [this study] by Kimball et al 2021. While I unfortunately can't access the original paper, [this online taxonomy] also uses the original paper as a source and specifically notes when it deviates from the paper's phylogeny (allowing me to tell when it's following the paper and when it isn't), so I'm basing it off that.Geekgecko (talk) 17:40, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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- Thanks, but I would assume that counts as a page split? After the family Regulidae was split into two genera, I moved the info from Kinglet that specifically refers to Regulus into the newly-created page for that genus.Geekgecko (talk) 18:35, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sorry for not replying. I did not know you had left me a message. Any time you copy or move content from one Wikipedia article to another, you need to provide attribution as described above. This applies to article splits, copying between articles, and moving content from one page to another (like you did here). Another point: When moving content, please be sure to copy over the supporting books for the citations, so that the Harvard citations are properly supported. (I have fixed the broken citations on Gray Whale.) There's more on Harvard citations at Help:Shortened footnotes.— Diannaa (talk) 13:55, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - I understand, thanks!Geekgecko (talk) 16:05, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      - Hey Geekgecko, I just fixed this again at Narrow-ridged finless porpoise which had content moved over from Finless porpoise — be sure to provide the required attribution every time. Thanks! DanCherek (talk) 07:36, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        Yeah I forgot to do it a few times; sorry! Was my practice for South Asian river dolphin correct though?Geekgecko (talk) 14:38, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        Yes, I think so. Thanks again. DanCherek (talk) 00:14, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not pre-empt page moves or create article duplicates, as you did at Axis (genus). It creates extra work when we have to do history merges. DrKay (talk) 08:38, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I understand, thanks!Geekgecko (talk) 14:38, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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- Didn't know about that, thanks! Will do from now on. Geekgecko (talk) 02:35, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed edits

Hello! Recent research has shown that the genus Arctocephalus is monophyletic[4]. The ASM Mammal Diversity Database has already recognized the genus Arctophoca as synonymous with Arctocephalus. Could you please bring all the Arctophoca species back to the genus Arctocephalus?

In addition, I found some more changes from ASM MDD that you might be interested in working on:

Xerus erythropus → Euxerus erythropus
Xerus inauris → Geosciurus inauris
Xerus princeps → Geosciurus princeps
Spermophilus ralli (now a synonym of S. relictus) → Spermophilus nilkaensis
Nyctereutes procyonoides viverrinus → Nyctereutes viverrinus
Canis lupus rufus → Canis rufus
Canis lupus lycaon → Canis lycaon
Ailurus fulgens → Ailurus fulgens + Ailurus styani
Equus ferus caballus → Equus caballus
Equus africanus asinus → Equus asinus
Sus scrofa domesticus → Sus domesticus
Capra aegagrus hircus → Capra hircus
Bos taurus indicus → Bos indicus
Pecari tajacu → Dicotyles tajacu
Platanista gangetica → Platanista gangetica + Platanista minor
Eschrichtius robustus included in Balaenopteridae
Hutias included in Echimyidae

— HFoxii (talk) 08:12, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Will do, thanks! Geekgecko (talk) 15:33, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Here are a few more changes. I am currently working on mammal taxonomy on Russian Wikipedia, and if you don’t mind, I’ll just add taxonomic changes to this list from time to time. Also, could you format the references like this^[1]? HFoxii (talk) 15:27, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Perodicticus potto → Perodicticus potto + Perodicticus edwardsi + Perodicticus ibeanus
Hylobates muelleri → Hylobates muelleri + Hylobates abbotti + Hylobates funereus
Aotus nancymaae → Aotus nancymai
Coendou rothschildi → Coendou quichua (synonymization)
Mico manicorensis → Mico marcai (synonymization)
Leontocebus → Saguinus (synonymization of genera and renaming species)
Sapajus macrocephalus → Sapajus apella macrocephalus
Mysateles garridoi → Capromys garridoi
Mesocapromys nanus → Mesocapromys nana
Mysateles melanurus → Mesocapromys melanurus
Hylopetes phayrei → Hylopetes phayrei + Hylopetes electilis
Hylopetes lepidus → Hylopetes sagitta (synonymization)
Zapodinae → Zapodidae
Sicistinae → Sminthidae
Zenkerellinae → Zenkerellidae (monotypic family for Zenkerella)
Octodon bridgesii → Octodon bridgesii + Octodon ricardojeda
Scaptonyx fusicaudus → Scaptonyx fusicauda
Euroscaptor micrura → Euroscaptor micrurus
Alpiscaptulus medogensis (new species and genus)
Talpa caucasica → Talpa caucasica + Talpa ognevi
Talpa levantis → Talpa levantis + Talpa talyschensis
Mogera insularis → Mogera insularis + Mogera latouchei
Scapanus latimanus → Scapanus latimanus + Scapanus occultus

References

^ "Perodicticus edwardsi". ASM Mammal Diversity Database. 1.6. American Society of Mammalogists. Retrieved 13 September 2021.

Besides, you could update the rodent taxonomy with the latest revisions[5][6][7]. HFoxii (talk) 15:27, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- Thanks! I'll definitely work on these in the future. Keep up the good work on Russian Wikipedia!Geekgecko (talk) 15:40, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Petauroides volans

Hello, Geekgecko,

You changed this redirect so that it pointed to a blank page. Please do not do this. I've reverted your edit. Do not change the target of a redirect until a different article has been created. Pages with broken redirects are frequently just deleted so do not create red link redirects. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:19, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I was doing it in preparation for creating the new page later on, but in hindsight I should have made the page first.Geekgecko (talk) 13:51, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

New page for Axis (genus)?

Hey, I was thinking we could coordinate our efforts to make a page for the Axis genus, seeing as the ASM currently considers 4 species in it and not just the chital. Let me know if you're interested. 74.68.117.176 (talk) 17:43, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure! Will try to get to it later. Geekgecko (talk) 21:30, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did it! Revived the old Axis page from 2011 and slightly revised it for the modern day.Geekgecko (talk) 04:09, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Great job! The page looks good. J0ngM0ng (talk) 02:54, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Create new page about the Cyclopes genus

Hi there @Geekgecko:. I would like to ask you this, can you in any time or when you have the time make a page called Cyclopes (genus) by removing that redirect. That king of genus unfortunately here applies to silky anteaters. Though when I was at the ASM MammalDiversity website and searched "Cyclopes", I eventually discovered that there are actually other species that belong to the Cyclopes genus, meaning it is not just the Silky anteater but also other species as well. It would very be nice to have numerous pages about other species that belong to this genus. So once again, can you do it at any of time? Best regards. —- 185.94.134.116 (talk) 21:58, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's actually something I was planning for in the future! I'll get to it some time.Geekgecko (talk) 01:18, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey! At the moment, I'm primarily focusing on mammal taxa that have an IUCN entry to their name and are accepted by the ASM, but do not yet have Wikipedia pages, as those ones seem to be the most generally-accepted pages I make. I'll get to the anteaters sometime after I work on these.Geekgecko (talk) 18:38, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Pedalion"

Hello. I have noticed the page Pedalion - which redirects to the article of a 19th-century monk - is used in articles about dinosaurs, e.g. List of the prehistoric life of California. I think one way to fix this problem whould be to create a page for the Pedalion dinosaur and turn Pedalion into a DAB. What do you think? Veverve (talk) 02:15, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It seems like Pedalion is the name for a species of fossil oyster, but sources online seem to be divided about its validity. I'll see what I can do later.Geekgecko (talk) 03:35, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So, do you have any idea on how we could sort this out? Veverve (talk) 05:34, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

According to the World Register of Marine Species, Pedalion is a synonym of Isognomon, which seems to be the most clear-cut explanation I can find online, so I would suggest replacing the former with the latter. I'll try to get to it in the future. Geekgecko (talk) 06:34, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think "Pedalion" should be a DAB for both the canon law collection and the Isognomon. What do you say? Also, please ping me when you answer me. Veverve (talk) 14:13, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Veverve That would definitely work! Geekgecko (talk) 18:44, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bos taxonomy

Hi. You might want to read (and possibly respond) to my comment on Talk:Bali cattle; there is a serious problem that is quite separate from the dispute over whether it is a species or subspecies. Dyanega (talk) 18:36, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dyanega Thanks, see response on talk page.Geekgecko (talk) 19:24, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Southern Ocean

Is found S of 60 degrees S. Please don't use the Aussie defintion of it. Thanks. BulbousCow (talk) 15:45, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Primate taxonomy

Per the consensus at WP:PRIMATE in this discussion, the the ASM MammalDiversity Database is not the primary source for primate taxonomy. Rlendog (talk) 01:58, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Rlendog: Thanks. However, that consensus seems to have been made back when the database was being updated; it is now in a significantly more complete state as far as I'm aware, so it would be worth revisiting that decision. In addition, my reverting of Leontocebus members to Saguinus was based on [this 2018 study], that downgraded Leontocebus to being a subgenus of Saguinus; the results were recognized by MDD but not by ITIS. So I wasn't just simply going to an outdated taxonomy. Still, I will keep this in mind. Geekgecko (talk) 02:22, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I read the study and it looks like the authors proposed moving Leontocebus back to a subgenus based on morphology (while acknowledging the genetic evidence for a distant split between Leontocebus and Saguinus). But I am not seeing that this proposal has much acceptance. I am not sure if the MammalDiversity Database was updated based on this study or whether it was still using the older taxonomy. But I checked ITIS and IUCN and both seem to be retaining Leontocebus as a genus (admittedly, Rylands is the primary expert for ITIS on this and he was among those who split out Leontocebus as a genus, so he may be biased, but he is also a highly respected primatologist). Even if Leontocebus is a subgenus, the Leontocebus page and category are still valid articles since a subgenus is a valid taxon for an article. Rlendog (talk) 17:25, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ASM did classify them based on the study: all entries for former Leontocebus members have the note "moved from Saguinus to Leontocebus recently, but later was moved back to Saguinus; recent publications have suggested retaining Leontocebus as a subgenus rather than separate from Saguinus, which is followed here"; the Leontocebus pages even cite a past version of ASM as proof of classification into Leontocebus. When assuming that Leontocebus was a subgenus of Saguinus, I didn't see enough specific info for it to warrant its own article so I merged it back. But you're right in that the IUCN and ITIS have not made this change (despite it being proposed 3 years ago) while still largely following other primate taxonomy changes over that time, implying they disagree with it, although I'm not sure how much of this can just be chalked up to Rylands's influence.Geekgecko (talk) 18:36, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm in agreement with Rlendog, you should get consensus before large changes to taxonomy. Especially considering lots of your edits made the changes but didn't reference any sources. When you did reference the Mammal Diversity Database in tamarin, the link isn't for an entry for tamarins, but what seems like a database, do I have to download the whole thing to verify the reference? Cheers, Jack (talk) 14:27, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Jackhynes: Yeah, there isn't a specific entry on the database for the genus itself, only the species, so to cite the changes I just cited the database as a whole (the official site recommends citing the Zenodo page for these changes. But it looks like in contrast to most of my changes, I didn't cite any sources for each tamarin species whose taxonomy I changed since I assumed the citation on the main genus page would be sufficient; my mistake!Geekgecko (talk) 16:19, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Potto photo

Is it possible to determine which species the pottos belong to in the photographs available at Wikimedia Commons? On Commons they are all labeled as Perodicticus potto, but since this species has been split into three, something needs to be done about this confusion. Why did you add this photo to the article about Perodicticus edwardsi, and this one to the article about the Perodictitus potto? Were you guided by any diagnostic traits? I also moved this low-quality photo from iNaturalist to Commons. According to iNaturalist, on the photo depicted Perodicticus potto potto. HFoxii (talk) 15:32, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure about the physical differences between populations; I'll have to look further into that. I was debating over whether or not to keep the image on Perodicticus potto since I wasn't sure where the populations came from, but I decided to keep it. As for Perodicticus edwardsi, the pictured specimen likely originated somewhere in the Belgian Congo due to the museum it was displayed in, so I used that image for edwardsi, although it seems that ibeanus also inhabits the Congo.Geekgecko (talk) 16:23, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sagmatias or Lagenorhynchus

Since you have an interest in mammal taxonomy, you may be interested in a discussion on my talk page on the appropriate genus name for Pacific white-sided dolphins. The discussion is here if you want to provide input. Rlendog (talk) 21:04, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have opened a discussion on this topic on talk:Lagenorhynchus. The ASM Mammal Diversity Database should not be used as the authority when it comes to marine mammals. Here the Society for Marine Mammalogy Taxonomic Committee is considered the de facto authority. SMM does not yet recognize the split of Lagenorhynchus. There are unresolved issues regarding both phylogeny and nomenclature. This means that Sagmatias and Leucopleurus are not recognised names. JakobT (talk) 18:48, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also please note that there is not general consensus to override MSW3 taxonomy with Mammal Diversity Database taxonomy on Wikipedia. For mammals in general, MSW3 is still the accepted basis for the taxonomic framework used on Wikipedia, although this can be overridden by local consensus after discussion. Please see the guidelines at Wikipedia:WikiProject Mammals#Guidelines for more information. Thanks! Kaldari (talk) 08:23, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hm, the page says that MSW3 taxonomy can be overridden for taxa accepted by both the IUCN and MDD. But by taxonomy, do you mean species-level or higher order (genus-level and above)? I don't think higher-order taxonomy is too much of a priority for the IUCN, and the ITIS has many taxa that haven't been updated for over a decade, so the MDD is really only the only major source that's being regularly updated for higher-order taxa (but for certain taxa, such as most bats, the ITIS is quite up-to-date). I've still been holding off on making further major changes for this reason. As for species-level, presently I'm only creating articles for species that are accepted by both the MDD and IUCN. However, there are many post-MSW3 species that have been accepted by the ITIS (at least for those groups that are regularly reviewed on there) and MDD, but have not yet been given a status by the IUCN (more likely due to time constraints than anything else). What would be the proper practice for these? Geekgecko (talk) 15:15, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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No problem ;). Don't know why that image was ever removed; given how much domestication has changed their appearance, domestic pigs are not accurate representatives of the genus Sus in general. Geekgecko (talk) 21:20, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I note that you have created the article Leuciscidae and cited a 2018 paper on Cyprinid taxonomy, this is fine but the WP:Fishes has a consensus that for taxa above the level genus Wikipedia follows the taxonomy set out in 5th edition of Fishes of the World. There is already an article for the Leuciscinae which does follow this and places that family within the Cyprinidae. Cyprinidae does seem to be a "waste-basket" taxon (not that I know enough about these things to say that!). I will redirect the family level article to the subfamily article and that the wording on the 2018 study should be added to it. Quetzal1964 (talk) 11:22, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Quetzal, yes you're correct. That was a couple of years ago, but I did many taxonomic edits to reflect the study's findings (which have been recognized by Eschmeyer's Catalogue of Fishes), until I learned that the taxonomy must only follow Fishes of the World. I stopped making the changes but I didn't go back to reverse my previous ones as I had made too many already. Personally, given how slow Fishes of the World is to update, even compared to the other taxonomic authorities Wikipedia uses, we should shift to mostly using Eschmeyer, but that's something for another day. Geekgecko (talk) 16:48, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ASM Mammal Diversity Database v. 1.10

Hello! I think it will be interesting for you to update the articles in accordance with the recently released ASM MDD v. 1.10. You can find the full changelog here. In particular, since you have already updated the mustelid taxonomy per ASM, I think you will be interested that Aonyx and Lutrogale have been synonymized with Lutra (per this paper). HFoxii (talk) 10:39, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know! I'm already aware of the change; there are some very exciting ones. I think that before I make any major changes, I'll discuss with other users, as some of my previous changes have been reverted if only ASM recognizes them, and other changes have been reversed or flagged by the ASM themselves. Thanks for notifying me though! Geekgecko (talk) 04:52, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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	Golden-haired tube-nosed bat and other bat articles are excellent. Really well done! BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 02:38, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Old World flycatcher species update

I've been updating this and several other species lists as each IOC version comes out. You beat me to it, thanks. But you also need to update the citation. Craigthebirder (talk) 12:13, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, it was tough work! I've been citing the official species lists on the website for each change I make, but for some reason the site hasn't updated yet, so I've had to base my edits on just the excel file but still citing the now-outdated species list on the site. Geekgecko (talk) 18:07, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Geekgecko, I noticed you are active editor in the paleontology field and edited Neochoristodera recently. I took some photos from Honghe Prefectural Museum in July, there are 3 fossils with the tag name "Liaoxi Dinosaur Fossil", and the Chinese name is same as Liaoxisaurus, a genus of Neochoristodera. However, I have zero knowledge of dinosaur or paleontology, I don't think these fossils look like Neochoristodera. Would you mind help me identify the images? Thank you very much!

The images are in commons:Category:Liaoxisaurus. Xiliuheshui · chat 14:28, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

- Hello! Those appear to be Psittacosaurus, of which many fossils have been found in Liaoning. Might want to move them out of that category and into Psittacosaurus. Thank you for asking! If you have more pictures from the museum, it would b really cool for you to post them! Geekgecko (talk) 14:36, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  Many thanks for your help! I have move them to commons:Category:Psittacosaurus fossils. Xiliuheshui · chat 20:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Your slapdash editng is really starting to get on my nerves. It's obvious that you do not conduct proper literature reviews when you make taxonomic changes. The paper naming the order "Palaeocarchariiformes" came out in 2018, a year before the histology study came out finding Palaeocarcharias to be a lamniform. No other study other than the 2018 one has used the order "Palaeocarchariiformes" for this taxon, so why use it? Rather than Lamniformes/?, which I have just changed it to. Hemiauchenia (talk) 19:06, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, this is a ridiculous issue to be so rude and gatekeepy about. There are better ways you can phrase this if you disagree. I'm among the few people on this part of the wiki trying to keep taxonomy up to date, and it's incredibly damaging for this part of the wiki to act like this to someone just trying to make a difference. As for my edits, I'm basing them on the Shark-References database (which I literally cited in my edits); almost every other taxonomic group on Wikipedia uses a pre-existing database as a reference and fossil shark taxonomy is extremely difficult to write about without a standardized system, so the only other options are contradictory or extremely vague taxonomy. Without a standardized source, I actually do literature reviews before taxonomic edits, contrary to what you insinuate But I understand if it's not best to hew so closely to it. What I don't understand is why you want to treat me like some kind of vandal for it. Geekgecko (talk) 22:43, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please do NOT link common country-names

It's making unnecessary work for othr editors. Why do you keep doing it? Tony (talk) 23:08, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I won't do it again but what are you referring to? The country names I list for species distributions? No one ever told me that not linking them was the accepted practice. Geekgecko (talk) 06:45, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, as I continue on my project, I would really like some advice as to what exactly you're referring to so I can avoid it. Geekgecko (talk) 06:45, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He's referring to the country names in the species distributions. Not linking countries is an example given at MOS:OVERLINK. Plantdrew (talk) 22:30, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, makes sense. But what about for smaller countries? For example, a lot of the fossil fish taxa that I need to revamp are from Lebanon; do I not link the country name in those? It does say only to avoid major examples but I'm not sure where the line is. Geekgecko (talk) 23:44, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Latin names in taxonomy templates

Hello. Taxonomy templates ask for rank names in latin e.g. familia, not family (errors show here). Also it would be helpful if you could add a reference for the parent in the 'ref' field. Thanks. YorkshireExpat (talk) 09:56, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I've been trying to do it more often (at least for higher-order taxa, just way too many genera to add a reference for each) but still some slip through the cracks. Geekgecko (talk) 21:05, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anguilloides

Yup... seems there are two genera with this name. Oy. Thanks for correcting my correction. :) - UtherSRG (talk) 20:06, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem! Though what was the other one? Although usually two animal genera (fossil or extinct) with the same name isn't allowed, so it looks like one of these names must change, unless the nematode was described after the fossil eel and has a newer name proposed. Strangely I cannot find any references to these nematodes in the scientific literature, at least based on a Google Scholar search. Geekgecko (talk) 20:12, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fish taxonomy (again!)

I have got around to doing the Tetraodontiformes and note that you have been referencing Near & Thacker 2024 in the Taxonomy Templates. The agreed taxonomic source for fish taxa above the level of genera is still the 5th edition of Fishes of the World, but I am trying to have a discussion on changing this. I am using this as an opportunity to draw your attention to my proposal, your thoughts would be welcome. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fishes

Quetzal1964 (talk) 07:59, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there! I'm being a bit conservative with my usage of Near & Thacker as a source for now, using it for things like the placement of fossil taxa but avoiding making any major changes based on it (i.e. the new definition of Acanthuriformes) until more authorities shift to using it. As for moving on from FOTW as an authority, I'm certainly open to that, although it's worth noting that FOTW is the only major taxonomic authority for fossil groups, and I assume the next issue should be released within two years' time and we've made it this far using it already, so perhaps might not be worth shifting so soon only for a new version to come out. But I am open to being less rigid about it. Will explain more on the WikiProject later. Geekgecko (talk) 18:32, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Quetzal1964 (talk) 19:18, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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