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Whatever thoughts, music etc.

Here is a thread to discuss topic and music. Garagepunk66 (talk) 02:13, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

I sent "Norwegian Wood" for a GA review. I still wanted to add a little info on Bob Dylan's "4th Time Around" in the article because it is often said Dylan was parodying the Beatles' song. However, I don't think that will stop it from going GA. I'll wait a month or two to see if someone grabs the review, but if it doesn't get any takers, I think I'll ask a new editor if they are interested. I want to try to make new connections with other editors like you and JG66, so that may be a good opportunity to do so.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 04:53, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
Oh and since I haven't asked a good discussion question in awhile, I thought I'd try this: What is your favorite concept album? Personally, I'm stuck between S.F. Sorrow by the Pretty Things and Days of Future's Past by the Moody Blues.TheGracefulSlick (talk)
As for concept albums... Hmmm. I'd say definitely some by the Kinks such as The Kinks are the Village Green Preservation Society, and Arthur: the Decline and Fall of the British Empire, Muswell Hillbillies. I love the concept albums Frank Sinatra made for Capitol in the 50s--I love his upbeat swing albums, but then I also dig those downcast torch song "suicide" albums he did then too--you know--the ones showing him sitting alone with a glass of scotch on the front cover. They were really just collections of songs, but where the songs tied into a thematic framework. I've always thought of a lot of Dylan's albums as being somewhat conceptual--the way the songs tend to interrelate--kind of like Sinatra. Dylan has always pointed out that Hank Williams' "Luke the Drifter" albums were the first concept albums--and I'll buy that theory--they probably influenced both Frank and Bob. Of course I love the best moments on Sgt. Pepper, but I think the Beatles were going a little overboard there--maybe trying too hard to make the biggest production of all time and trying not to be the Beatles. I kind of prefer the way "Magical Mystery Tour" is also very psychedelic--but is more just them doing their psychedelic thing (as the Beatles)--not really trying too hard to put on an oversized mass production--just bein' groovy and diggin' the vibe (which is what psychedelic was really all about). I dig the best parts of Their Satanic Magesty's Request--yeah there is some self-indulgence on the lesser tracks (but then aren't the Stones kind of spoofing Sgt. Pepper's excesses?). Certain songs on there are so incredible: "Citadel", "2000 Man", 2000 Light Years From Home", She's a Rainbow", "the Lantern"... I've always felt that album influenced Led Zeppelin (that whole "wizard holding the lantern" thing). John Paul Jones arranged the strings on Satanic Magesties. I think that is where Zep got a lot of their fascination with black magic, etc., but I could be wrong. Garagepunk66 (talk) 07:06, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
I'm surprised you mentioned Their Satantic Majesty's Request, it isn't particularly popular among Stones and 60s fans in general. Personally, I think it is a great album, but I also believe the Stones should have stuck with the blues instead of following a trend. That is why I love Aftermath, since it had the perfect blend of blues and psychedelic experimentation. I agree with your opinion on Sgt. Pepper; however, Harrison's "Within You Without You" is one one my favorite songs so I'll cut the Beatles some slack. I think you'd enjoy S.F. Sorrow because it tells a story of so many emotions. People didn't like how it ends sadly (no spoilers), but, to me, that possibility that not every story has a perfect ending is what I appreciate in the album.

P.S. To explain further on my GA comment, I should have noted that the "new user" is someone we haven't interacted with, not an actual new Wikipedian.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 01:13, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

As for the GA reviewers, I now see what you mean. And, I'll have to check out S.F. Sorrow--it sounds really incredible. Personally I'm kind of intrigued about the sad ending. I wonder why people didn't dig that. Pet Sounds had a sad ending (well, right before the train and animal sounds--and they're all crying too--the barking dogs and other creatures). And, come to think of it, isn't "A Day in the Life" kind of sad on Pepper? It's like a big funeral. Sometimes life is sad. I believe that anyone who is a passionate person is going to experience moments of both great joys and tears. It is all part of living, and as much as I'd like to eradicate all of the suffering in the world, I realize that there is a beauty to life in all of its dimensions, for better or worse--it's all part of the same coin that gets tossed. We have a responsibility to help alleviate suffering in the world, but it is there. I really love the song "Valley of Death" by the Whatever. Give it a spin and tell me what you think. [[1]] Garagepunk66 (talk) 01:59, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Wow, I've been searching for something just like the "Valley of Death", I'm not joking. The tempo and the singer just go so well together. For some reason, I really enjoy when the vocals are somewhat hazy, which is why those obscure songs with less than perfect optics do not bother me. I'm curious, is the song based on the story of the Light Brigade? I wish there was more sources on the Whatever, I would write about them in a heartbeat. Here is some tunes I think you'll like: The Aardvarks "I'm Higher Than I'm Down" and The Relics "Inside Outside".TheGracefulSlick (talk) 02:54, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
I love those songs. Tell me if I'm crazy, the apparent meaning deals with something like the light brigade (or maybe a battle with Indians in the Old West). But, I hear something else going on in there. I think that they may be relating that historical motif to the Vietnam War, where so many died because of the blunders of a few. I think the garage and psychedelic era signifies the last shining moment of our nations' innocence. I was trying to capture this in a series of pictures on my user page last, year. [[2]] I had the series of pictures--I wanted to connect the hopeful/tragic images at the bottom with the innocent pictures above. Sadly, a little bot form the Wiki-police removed the image of Cronkite, which kind messed up the whole thing. I tried to tap into this theme once again in the psychedelic section of the G.R. article. Somehow, I feel so strongly about this--the mixture of hope and tragedy of the 60s--the way for better or for worse--it was as if everything somehow happened paradoxically according to destiny. But, take a moment to look at the page of images I had last year while you play the Whatever's song again. And, re-live an incredible moment in time. Garagepunk66 (talk) 03:14, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Well I believe a lot of the teenage angst and aggression that is typically found in garage rock was directed toward the Vietnam War. I think this song, in particular, may be alluding to that, as I heard a lyric about "the 600" which reminds me of the Light Brigade. Since were on the topic of some obscure music, I was wondering what your opinion is on "Baba Yaga" by the Pagans. I didn't even known what a Baba Yaga was until I looked it up, so it goes to show how strange the topics of songs can be.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 04:12, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
I friggin' love that song!!! It's on Teenage Shutdown: Things Been Bad. One of the greatest rock & roll songs ever-it has enough energy and fuel to send a spaceship to mars--about a Russian witch. I'v never heard "the 600. Do you know the band? I want to give it a listen on youtube! Garagepunk66 (talk) 04:53, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

I could use a hand

I think I might need a character witness. RGloucester started a thread complaining about Dicklyon and myself over at AE. It was promptly hijacked by SMcCandlish with a long screed of accusations, half-truths and non-truths. I could use someone to put in a word for me. None of the admins will answer any of my questions or requests for specifics. If you're not comfortable with this, I get it. If you go over there and say you agree with what SmC has to say, I get it. Darkfrog24 (talk) 20:08, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

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Chat, music, etc.

If you have any topics of interest you would like to discuss, you are welcome to express them. Garagepunk66 (talk) 05:01, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

There is this group I wish there was something (and I mean anything!) that gave some insight into their history. It is this band called the Naked Truth and their song "The Wall" is a lost psychedelic gem! Well worth a few listens.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 11:00, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
I'm glad you let me know about them. I've never heard of them, but I'm going to check out their song on Youtube! Garagepunk66 (talk) 01:05, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
P.S.: I just listened to the song and I love it. I should have been a hit. It is sad that this band never got kind of exposure they deserved. I'm sure some good sources will emerge on them at some point. Garagepunk66 (talk) 02:21, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Totally agree, should have been a hit, but like many other garage bands they were underappreciated . As I'm sure you heard, Paul Kantner of Jefferson Airplane/Starship died yesterday. This is especially sad news for me as he was my primary influence to play guitar and a delightful person I had the pleasure to meet. It kind of upsets me editors are now taking interest in editing Jefferson Airplane-related articles only when someone dies. In my opinion, people should have taken notice when he was alive. I think a musician of his caliber deserves at least that, but that's just me I suppose. Anyways, I plan to postpone the Chocolate Watchband project to jumpstart work on the Great Society's (Grace Slick's first group) article, and, finally, Slick's article itself.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 23:54, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
I'm sad to hear about Kantner's death. He was a great musician and it is a loss to all who love music. I'm not surprised to see you want to work on Grace Slick's article--it was inevitable that the TheGracefulSlick would gracefully and gratefully gravitate to Grace Slick's article. So, I know you'll really enjoy working on that one! Garagepunk66 (talk) 01:46, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
Hey, I went down the street and checked out my first Mardi Gras parade earlier this evening. Things will really get into gear later this week. I live right on the edge of the Garden District (not in one of the mansions, though, just in a little apartment), but I'm about four blocks from St. Charles Avenue--so the parades pass by right near my house. The parades will get really good later this week. I really love the old-style night parades with the flambeau carriers and the really pretty floats with the esoteric, mystical, and mythical themes--they are really psychedelic in a 19th Century kind of way (magical mystery tours reminiscent of a time back before LSD, when the drug of choice was opium--and of course there was absinthe, the mind altering liqueur--all of the poets and artists drank it--it is legal in New Orleans--I know you don't drink, but you'll still be fascinated). And, some of the old-style parades do satire--we call them "satirikrewes"). I'll show you some pictures of some of my favorite parades. Proteus [[3]] Hermes [[4]] Knights of Chaos[[5]], Krewe d'état [[6]] Rex [[7]] Orpheus [[8]] And, yes here are some flambeaus you see in the old-style night parades! [[9]]Garagepunk66 (talk) 02:50, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
P.S.: And, what I love about New Orleans Carnival, unlike popular misconceptions, is that it is really a family celebration. It is all very sweet and innocent. People in other places have this image of nudity and that kind of stuff, but you only see tourists on a few blocks of Bourbon Street doing that--that is not the way it is experienced citywide or even in the rest of the French Quarter. I grew up with it, and I remember when my father took me to the parades when I was a kid. He sat me on top of a ladder to watch the parades. Growing up here, it is something you cherish that is in your heart and soul. New Orleans is not really a city for adults per se (contrary to popular opinion), but rather for those who are a child at heart for life. Garagepunk66 (talk) 03:48, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

I hope to visit New Orleans again, hopefully during a celebration. To be honest, the only perspective I have on the city's celebrations were those from the news displaying the tourists acting indifferent, which I knew wasn't the whole experience, but I haven't had much to compare to until you started sharing some of your own personal experiences. Maybe when I'm 21 I'll go down to the city (maybe try a drink or two) and have a merry time. By the way, I found out Signe Toly Anderssen -- the original female-singer for Jefferson Airplane -- has also passed away. 2016 keeps bringing more and more heartbreak!TheGracefulSlick (talk) 04:39, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Oh God, two days after Kantner--life can be so cruel. She was such a great singer on that first album--wonderfully unique in her own way--just like Grace. I think that she left because she was pregnant (or something like that--I think I once read). I enjoyed the article on the Better Half Dozen--just in time for Mardi Gras. And, concerning Mardi Gras, that nude drunk tourist stuff isn't even 1/1,000,000th of it (if really part of the real celebration at all--believe it or not I don't think I've ever seen a nude person in the actual flesh during a Mardi Gras event--aside from on TV or magazines--cameras are selective and have a narrower field of vison, particularly when they are put in the wrong hands taken to the wrong places--it happens so often--the media is shallow and sensationalistic)--locals just don't experience that element in any degree--and Mardi Gras is really a local celebration--people are welcome to come share and join in the fun, but I sometimes I wish they'd try to lean more about it and partake in its better elements). I remember when I was a little kid in elementary and the teacher would bring us a King cake or my family might eat one or at a party--there was always this little pink plastic baby Jesus hidden in the cake (the cake is really more of a pastry--made of dough like a cinnamon roll or brioche). Whoever got the "king baby" got good luck--maybe a free homework assignment or something like that. Now they put the baby on the side--with the litiginous nature of society today, they are afraid if someone chokes on the baby, they'll sue. You've noticed I'm doing an article on Tonto & the Renegades, but it might take me a little longer--I've been having a little bit of a "writers' block" lately--I mean I'm writin' some good stuff, but it is not pouring out like it has at other times--my fingers are kind of reticent, so I've been doing more maintenance/curatorial editing lately, but I guess that's a good thing too. As Janis said: "its all the same thing..." Garagepunk66 (talk) 07:13, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

How are you? Quick question how do i add a picture to an article? Manniebentley (talk) 17:44, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

It depends on if the picture is already posted in a Wikipedia article. If it is already in an article, you can go into the edit page there and cut and paste it into your new article (as long as it is not a copyrighted image, such as for an album, which can only be shown in one place). You may need to adjust its size to fit the proportions of the new article. To adjust size you change the px (pixels #) in the file designation (i.e. 235px, etc.). You usually want to indicate "thumb" (usually "thumb right", unless it is to go to the left side). You can have a description at the end of the file designation. However, if the picture is not already on Wiki, you will need to retrieve it from a place such as Google images, then create a file for it on your computer, then use the Wiki wizard [[10]] to download the file onto Wikipedia. The problem is that many files are limited use and need special permission in order to be downloaded, so that can sometimes be a source of difficulty. Garagepunk66 (talk) 18:01, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, it wouldnt let me upload it saying my account has not been confirmed but i can ask someone else to upload it. Manniebentley (talk) 18:09, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

I recommend to get help from a technical editor such as Bonnie13J or Ijohn. However, if you cannot find anyone, then I could be available either later today or tomorrow to help out. Garagepunk66 (talk) 18:16, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, will do Manniebentley (talk) 18:27, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

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Per the discussion at https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums/Archive_46#Piero_Scaruffi_-_Final_Verdict_on_using_him_as_a_source_in_reviews there's a very clear consensus here that Scaruffi is not to be used as a source in music/album articles in any capacity. So please, do not add his opinions anymore. It is a wp:self published source. Since this is a long running dispute, any contributor warned by the situation and who doesn't respect it, would encounter sanctions and could be blocked from editing. Thanks. You've been informed because you used this source here. Woovee (talk) 23:39, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of the problem people have with his sites. The info about the fact I was citing seemed to be correct, based on my best judgment. Generally I try to corroborate small-time sources with other sources, as to better verify the fact at hand. So I'll try to avoid his sites in the future (if I can remember to--but please understand that I come across thousands of sources--my world does not revolve around his sites). And, I thank you for making the correction and bringing it to my attention. Having acknowledged your valid point about that author, I'll bring something else up: I don't think we need to be talking about "blocks" here--that is a bit extreme and disrespectful to an editor who has worked hard to make Garage rock a better article (and lift it to GA). [[11]] Compare the article now to where it was in March of last year. Then:[[12]] Now: [[13]] I think I've worked really hard on this article and have gotten little but derision for it, to be quite honest. And, editors aren't going to get blocked because of putting in a less than perfect source...please. So, Wooviee I think your words there are harsh to this kind soul--a block warning in a situation like this is inappropriate when directed towards a person who is operating in sincerity and good faith and wishes you no harm. Garagepunk66 (talk) 07:28, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
You have done an excellent work on this article. I have just read a few sections and it is very interesting and rich.
I didn't mean to be threatening, I copy paste exactly the same message to all the users. I apologize if the tone was too harsh, I didn't mean to.
I have been myself adding a lot of sources and material on several articles, finding the right sources, vintage reviews of Sounds, Melody Maker, NME, I know it takes time:) Woovee (talk) 00:19, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
I understand. And, thanks Woovee. I appreciate your kind remarks and good luck with your editing projects too--I'm sure you have some terrific things going on with your work--I'll have to check it out. One little bit of advice--you may wish to remove the thing about the blocks in future messages you send to other editors. Most people will be genuinely thankful when you bring the issue about an unreliable source to their attention. It is better to make that the issue rather than the editors themselves. Usually we reserve the prospect of blocks for when an editor is being unreasonable or disruptive--as a last resort. But, good luck and best wishes! Garagepunk66 (talk) 01:46, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks very much for pointing out that Dragoman Pty Ltd needs a lead section. Cheers!

Thank you for you kind compliments. It will be a splendid article. Garagepunk66 (talk) 07:03, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks

I greatly appreciated your kind compliments. I will try to follow your suggestions & remarks. I wrote about the two months of fighting between Italian and French troops and now I am going to add the section related to the submarine blockade. If you want to participate adding some data, of course you're welcome....Sincerely,--Alsrigs (talk) 17:46, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, but I have read that someone wants to merge my article....Can you kindly defend it in the related discussion page (https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:French_Somaliland_in_World_War_II)? Thanks again.--Alsrigs (talk) 19:33, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Gladly! Garagepunk66 (talk) 22:41, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks again....of course, if you need my help I'll be always ready.....--Alsrigs (talk) 15:48, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you

Hi, Garagepunk66. Allow me to award you with the Barnstar for civility & kindness.

I think all wikipedian users should be like you. But someone is aggressive & offensive and makes others stay away from collaborating with Wikipedia. However, that's life!

Thanks again....of course, if you need my help I'll be always ready. Sincerely & grateful, --Alsrigs (talk) 15:21, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

What a surprise--thank you! And, I'd like to pass along a host of compliments to you for all of your fine work here. Garagepunk66 (talk) 17:35, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

About the Rome 2004 and Wimbledon 2002 Qualy pages

Hello.

I've recently been notified that you tagged both pages that I created today, that being 2004 Internazionali BNL d'Italia – Women's Singles and 2002 Wimbledon Championships – Men's Singles Qualifying. I've been creating and completing missing tennis draws for most of the Grand Slam and Masters tournaments from the 90's and early 2000's, all of that during last year, and I found it odd that 2 pages in a row were tagged at their very beggining AND by the same guy, as this is my first time receiving this. So let me explain you a thing or two about my contributions:

Since I have little time to edit pages because of my job, I can't do all of their work on one session alone, so I just let it partially incomplete on purpose and complete section by section everyday. That's why I often put the commentary "Draws will be completed in the following days" in the Edit summary box every time I create one of this pages. I usually let the structure complete by Sunday and complete the draws and the list of seeds all way through Friday. Since this is Wikipedia, is obvious that anyone could take "my" job and complete it by his/her own, but that never happened and I always completed that pages in the stipulated period of days.

With that being said, I have to thank you for tagging both pages within SECONDS of their creation, because that says that the "Edit summary" box is kind of a useless tool, since you weren't able to read it in both pages. That means I have to think in better methods of putting another message when I create a new page, such as the "Under construction" tag, which -in my opinion- is a better description of the current state of both pages. Please take this section calmly, as I'll promise that both pages will be completed in the planified time, by Friday 12 or -in the worst of cases- Saturday 13.

Greetings, Pablo

Thanks Pablo--and I know that you'll complete them. In the future, I'll try to take into amount that this kind of unfolding story may need more time. I have probably erred in adhering too much to the "let's see the sources"/"let's see the text" mindset--and while that is usually a good thing for most articles, it may not be realistic to expect in this type of situation. So I'll try to keep this in mind and give such articles more time to develop their sources and text until they reach the right "maturity date". My tags are only meant to be helpers, never to hurt--in no way would I ever use tags to insult good and dedicated editors like yourself. My only interest is in helping the community build up the articles to be the best they can be. Good luck with the tennis matches! Garagepunk66 (talk) 04:19, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

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Sure, I'll go check it out. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Garagepunk66 (talk) 21:07, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
I went in and noticed that you put in the refs, so I removed the tag. Thanks for creating the article. It is looking good! Garagepunk66 (talk) 21:17, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

New page

I haven't finished updating the page as I am waiting to find out the correct dates and location of the competition before I fix.

I made this page similar to how the 2016 page was set up.

So I will update content as soon as I can Wifey93 (talk) 16:31, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I know it'll be a fantastic page. Garagepunk66 (talk) 19:52, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Guzmania longibracteata

Hi, I undid your edit on Guzmania longibracteata because I felt the refimprove tag was unnecessary. Every single statement in the article is referenced by that one Catalogue of Life page and thus the tag served no purpose. Anarchyte (work | talk) 06:02, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

You are correct, but generally, an article should have at least three-six inches of text and a minimum of six references to be considered viable. That is the reason I asked for refimprove. But, I can do differently in the future if you recommend. My only wish is to help the article get where it needs to go. Thanks. Garagepunk66 (talk) 06:07, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks for your help and your interest. I am still adding material. Vicedomino (talk) 06:50, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks you for your positive and kind review of this article I newly created. Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 07:25, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

And, thank you too for the article! Garagepunk66 (talk) 07:34, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

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Deletion of Nile Academy

Sir, please check the nile academy talk page immediately. The reasons are there. Also sir, I had a problem when saving my edits (not a blank page, pictures and 4 headings plus read also) it said there was a problem. Is it due to the speedy deletion request? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Selimtopbas (talk • contribs) 04:36, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

I remove the deletion tag, but be sure to get the body of text developed soon, because otherwise some will wish to delete it. Garagepunk66 (talk) 04:41, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you

 Thank you very much! for your message. I needed that. I have done a lot of edits on awards articles, but this was the first one I actually created. --Musdan77 (talk) 03:42, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

You've done a fantastic job, and I thought I'd mention how much I liked it. Garagepunk66 (talk) 03:47, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. This is my first article. I was happy to see a positive comment about it. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arezoo2016 (talk • contribs) 06:41, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Jose Nandhikkara

Just letting you know that I nominated Jose Nandhikkara for CSD A7. Writing a few books and being a professor is not enough to establish notability. WannaBeEditor (talk) 04:01, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Yea, I was thinking the same thing. Garagepunk66 (talk) 04:03, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

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Over hasty speedy delete

Hi, you nominated Www.bestmarker.com for speedy delete A3 only 10 minutes after creation. Really you need to give writers a bit more time, say 1 hour before a nomination of a page for A1, A3, A7 or A10 reasons. It has now been an hour with no improvement so I will delete anyway. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:27, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

I usually am not in favor of deletion, but there was nothing there. In the future I could wait longer to give the writer more time to come up with something, but personally I would not think about creating an article that is blank--I'd have at least something there to show for starters. Garagepunk66 (talk) 00:26, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Tagging blank pages

Hi. Thanks for patrolling new pages, an essential and under-appreciated task. When you come on a blank page, it's worth looking at the history. Sometimes, a valid page has been blanked as vandalism: Cluebot usually fixes that, but sometimes misses, and then you can restore the pre-blanking version. Sometimes, like Death of Edgel Joy Durolfo just now, the page has been blanked by its only author, in which case WP:CSD#G7 is the right tag, and there is no need to give the author a blank-page warning. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 12:35, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, in the future I'll check the history first. Garagepunk66 (talk) 00:28, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

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Sorry, didn't realize that. No problem. Garagepunk66 (talk) 04:09, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thank you so much for the Editor's Barnstar! The recognition really means a lot. I didn't realize it was there until just now, when I got a disambiguation error message – so you can see that I am still keeping my toe in. All my best to the garage punk community among Wikipedians. Keep up the good work! Shocking Blue (talk) 12:36, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks once again for all of the wonderful things you've done to generate consciousness about rare music here at Wikipedia. Garagepunk66 (talk) 23:36, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
And thanks to you as well for reviving articles on the Pebbles albums after mine had started getting deleted! I just ran across some of them, and your work looks better than mine actually. Shocking Blue (talk) 08:03, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Talk: music, etc.

Here is a thread to discuss music and various topics. Garagepunk66 (talk) 20:26, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm working on an article for Scream Loud!! The Fenton Story, but I was thinking about doing an article on the Aardvarks (from Michigan), but I know you had mentioned "I'm Higher than I'm Down"--a song we both love. So I thought I'd pass it by you first, to make sure that would be OK? I know you just did the Quests. But please let me know soon, concerning the Aardvarks. Garagepunk66 (talk) 04:41, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Sure, as long as the William Penn Five can be an article I write. I'm not positive if I mentioned their song, "Swami", but I want to create their article soon after I finish what is left in my sandboxes.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 20:54, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Great song! And, I'd want no one else but you do the William Penn Five article--because there is not a person here who would do it better. I can't wait to read it, when you're done. I know it can only be great when it has your mark of excellence listed on the creation entry in its edit history. Garagepunk66 (talk) 21:48, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
P.S.: By the way, don't forget to get around to doing the Rovin' Flames article. They have a really in depth write-up in Garage Hangover and some other good sources. Garagepunk66 (talk) 21:53, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
It is Mardi Gras day. This morning, when I was watching the Rex parade on St. Charles Ave., the parade made its usual stop near where I was standing (at a house on St. Charles and Third, where the king does his first toast). I mentioned something to the captain who rides the horse in the front of the parade (the captain is the absolute director and leader of a Carnival krewe--the king is the annual ceremonial figure, which of course is a great honor--but the captain runs the show behind the scenes year after year). [[14]] I told him that we now have an article about the song "If Ever I Cease to Love" on Wikipedia. I told him that I'm an editor, but that it was a good friend of mine that wrote the article. He was really delighted to hear that you wrote it and was surprised that an article had not already been written. I wanted to tell you this, because you can consider it a great honor to have written the article. The captain of what is arguably the most famous and prestigious Carnival organization now knows about the article. Happy Mardi Gras! Garagepunk66 (talk) 01:21, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for the mention, I appreciate the acknowledgment. It has been fun spreading the word about quality music through my articles, and I'm glad you're along for the ride. I'll get to the Rovin' Flames after I write about the Mothers of Invention song "Help, I'm a Rock". It isn't a traditional song by any definition of the word, but I heard of it through a cover by the West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band. It is a song that exemplifies how bizarre they are in the legends of psychedelic fans. I almost don't want to recommend it to you (it's literally repetitive moans of "Help I'm a Rock"), but it has historical value that may intrigue you.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 22:00, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
I'm sure I'd dig it. I sometimes get into the more "way out" stuff, so I'll have to check it out. I need to get some of Zappa's albums--the dude was crazy, but he was a genius. Garagepunk66 (talk) 04:30, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Just a heads up, I see you added some cool pictures to some band articles. While I like them a great deal, images of people are typically more difficult to get on here. I tried to add pictures to some articles I wrote a while back, and all, but one (do not know what made that one special), were removed. I hope none of yours are tampered with, it might encourage me to try again, but I just wanted you to be aware of the issue.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 16:51, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll be the first to admit that I'm running a calculated risk--some of the pix might be removed--but I hope not (knock on wood!). Well, I see things are coming along on the "Norwegian Wood" review--I am confident that the article will get its "little green pellet", soon. Ojorojo seems like a really good reviewer. Being ever the scavenger I am, I learn a lot from watching him (and other reviewers) in action--so, it'll help me when I do future reviews. Garagepunk66 (talk) 01:31, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
I know you are a garage enthusiast, but I recall you also saying you're something of a folkie. Have you heard of Joni Mitchell's album Blue? This album is perhaps my favorite folk album I've heard so far, it's that good. Mitchell's voice is so beautiful, so emotional, and so telling. Also, this is unrelated, but I don't think "Norwegian Wood" will pass GA with the current reviewer. I don't think he is too attentive to the situation. I made the changes he asked of me, but said issues still remain without any explanation as to where they are. Oh well, I can always set up another review later.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 01:26, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
I'm sorry to hear about that unfortunate situation you are having with the review. Initially, I thought he'd turn out to be right for the review, but apparently he is not being responsive to the changes you have made. There is really no reason why the article should not go G.A.--you have put so much quality work into it--and I like the article a lot. I don't see what his issue is, but he may be busy with other things. Don't give up--I'm sure everything will work out somehow. Contact him in a kind way. If that doesn't work, you may have to request a second opinion. On a lighter note, I like Joni's Blue album--the way it mixes folk with modern jazz. I like Court & Spark too, which came a couple of years later. I know that some of the garage-oriented rock critics of the early 70s would have called it "heresy" or "blasphemy" to dig singer-songwriters of that time, but for me it is not problem, because I love so much music. I embrace the whole phenomenon of music made by the 60s generation (that whole era circa 1962-1973, when music just sounded so real). Of, course you know how much I dig Dylan, who like the Beatles, has meant so much in my life. I dig Neil Young too. Obviously I love the Byrds. Garagepunk66 (talk) 01:11, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

I finally found enough sources to make a respectable article for the song "Mister, You're a Better Man Than I", a personal favorite of mine. There have been many versions of the song, but my favorite is by Terry Knight and the Pack. I wish the Pack did more songs like this one, maybe they would have gotten more respect from garage enthusists today. Most of the critism is directed toward Terry Knight's vocals, but in some instances (like this one) I feel everything still came together. I found two other renditions on the Fort Worth Teen Scene albums that are worth a listen too.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 16:13, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

I really dig Terry Knight and the Pack (and also Grand Funk Railroad). Of course I love the Yardbirds as well. There were so many great versions made of that song. So, I can't wait to read the article. Garagepunk66 (talk) 02:01, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
I'm working on the Rovin' Flames, which, don't worry, I didn't forget! I found it interesting they made one of the earliest covers of "Gloria", six months before the Shadows of Knight recorded theirs. Anyways, there is this song called "Just Wanna Be Myself" by the No Na-Mees that I think you'll enjoy. I was also wondering if you'd like to be introduced to someone who I've been talking to lately. His name is Peter Garami, a garage enthusiast from the Czech Republic. He is incredibly knowledgable on American garage music and European bands as well. If you want to share your e-mail or if you have Facebook, I'm sure he'd be glad to chat with you. Of course, it's up to you so I'll wait for your decision.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 02:18, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Perhaps you could leave his e-mail. I know you'll think I am totally out of it, but I don't have a Facebook account--I've just been so busy with so many other things, but I've been meaning to do that--definitely an idea for the future. The No Na-Mees' song is really terrific. Garagepunk66 (talk) 03:53, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
His e-mail is garpe@freemail.hu if you have any difficulties let me know. By the way, if anything is troubling you, you can still let me know. I know we haven't been messaging back and forth as often as we used to, but I'll always have your back.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 15:44, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
You don't need to worry--I'm doing well, but I've been tied up with a lot of things lately--but that doesn't mean I can't find time to chat. I always enjoy the good conversations, so I'm sure we'll have a lot of great things to discuss.Garagepunk66 (talk) 05:28, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
P.S.: Well, one of which is the presidential race. I'm surprised that Trump has gotten as far as he has--I thought that ba%t#*d would run out of air sooner, but I am hoping that he will fall out of favor soon enough for worthy candidates to ascend. The more I read about him, the more unacceptable he becomes--I cannot tolerate his presence in politics under any circumstances--I know you feel the same way about this. He has really brought the level of political discourse to an all-time low. I think he is a dangerous demagogue hell-bent on seizing power, and does not give a care about anyone but himself and his ego. I have a gut feeling (I hope I'm not wrong) that there are going to be some "indoor fireworks" at the Republican convection this summer--it is possible that a nominee could emerge there that has not yet been on the ballot--maybe house speaker Paul Ryan. Though, I'm a registered Democrat, there are a few Republicans I'd consider, and he is one. I like Kasich a lot--he seems really practical. I like Rubio too. Mainly, I'd just like to see someone lead who can best help the country. I think Hillary has some good ideas, but I worry about that whole e-mail thing--I hope that it turns out to be minor. I like Bernie and voted for him today in the Louisiana primary, but he may be promising more than is feasible or that he can deliver. But someone needs to do something about the corporate lockhold that is strangling this country. Garagepunk66 (talk) 05:28, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

It's a really conflicting race. I would never approve of Trump being president, but I respect the fact he does not take money from super pacs like Hillary. However, I'm too troubled by his way of using fear and predujice to garner support from people that I hoped would know better by now. If I had the choice, I would want Sanders or Ben Carson (he's out of the race though) to lead the country; however, Sanders cannot win the minority vote for some reason and Carson was too outspoken. But to be honest, I just can't bring myself to trust any of the nominees. Politicians have shown time and time again they have no trouble lying to us as long as it gives them a seat of power. I guess time will tell, but eventually the American people are going to grow tired of waiting.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 16:28, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

I just hope that we get though this crazy election year without any major lasting damage. I hope that sanity will insert itself at some point. Garagepunk66 (talk) 02:38, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
I know what you mean. Have you seen the riots at the Trump rallies, it is absolutely ridiculous. What's more baffling is it only seems to increase the man's popularity. Also, in an unrelated incident, I've been made aware that the troll who keeps reappearing to send me threats at ANI has struck yet again. It's been nearly six months now, which is terribly pathetic. Oh well, I just mentioned this because I need to laugh it off so it doesn't completely freak me out.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 15:03, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
I'm really getting worried about the whole election--I think that there is now cause for concern that the whole thing will go awry. I have never felt as much embarrassment during an election season in my whole life. It is truly pathetic. As for that troll, I hope he gets blocked. Garagepunk66 (talk) 01:35, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
Hey, if you're looking to write an article on oldtime folk musicians like I'm trying to do more of, I think you'll like this guy named Columbus Fruge. I thought he would spark interest since he is important to Louisiana's rich history of Cajun music. I can always get around to it if you'd rather write on someone else, but the offer will stand for a long period of time.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 00:51, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
I'm definitely interested. I know there are a lot of great Cajun and zydeco musicians who we could write about. I would be delighted to write the piece on him--if you would wish me to. That would be a lot of fun. At some point I would like to save up and buy the Smithsonian compilation, which would be helpful in so many ways. Garagepunk66 (talk) 02:02, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
P.S.: I was thinking that, when I get some time, I could drive around the region and find some university and historical archives--there might be some manuscripts and old newspaper clippings. It appears that Columbus Fruge came from the central part of Acadiana, just a little bit north of Lafayette and New Iberia. So, maybe I could travel around to find some helpful sources. Garagepunk66 (talk) 02:17, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

That is an excellent idea, I knew it was a good thing to bring this to you. I've been enamored with early Cajun music since editing the Cleoma Falcon article awhile back, so this seemed like a way to continue uncovering other under-appreciated musicians. I actually found Fruge in a book called Cajun Breakdown, but the Smithsonian album is obviously a well-detailed piece. Once I finish an article in my sandbox (I've been, as I'm sure you are too, incredibly preoccupied lately) I plan to work on 1920s/30s artists again, starting with the Cincinnati Jug Band. It's a much-needed change of pace to keep contributing, but also making the experience a little more unique than the last.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 02:51, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks, I wasn't sure whether to classify the article as a "hoax" or "nonsense" (or whatever). I switched my rationale to "nonsense" (instead of "hoax"), because I did not want to allege that the editor intentionally did it in a spurious way (though that may have been the case). I'll look at the guidelines for how to characterize these things in the future. Garagepunk66 (talk) 06:48, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Tagging of Vietnam's Got Talent (season 4)

I recently removed a speedy delete tag that you had placed on Vietnam's Got Talent (season 4). I do not think that Vietnam's Got Talent (season 4) fits any of the speedy deletion criteria  because According to WP:CSD#A3 "this criterion does not cover a page having only an infobox". I request that you consider not re-tagging Vietnam's Got Talent (season 4) for speedy deletion without discussing the matter on the appropriate talk page. DES (talk) 00:30, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Here it a day later, and no one has put one word of text into that article. I am not a deletionist, except in extreme cases, and this case is a 9 out of 10. Garagepunk66 (talk) 10:22, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Parti Poodle Article

What did you do to my article? I thought it was good.The Geckonatior (talk) 10:13, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

I didn't do anything with it. While, I was inserting an advice template, another editor, probably an administrator, merged it in with the Poodles article. The advice I put on the template was that I thought your article should be merged into that one, but the other editor did exactly what I only recommended. You should go to Poodles general article and make sure that all of your information about the Parti Poodles is in there--or put it in. I am sorry that they prematurely merged your article into that one. I would have wanted it to take more time and come about after a discussion and consensus. But, good luck. If you need anything, I'll be here. Garagepunk66 (talk) 10:23, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Cashless

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Erroneous speedy deletion contesting

Just wanted to let you know that when a speedy deletion template is placed on a redirect, unless the speedy criterion is from the "R" category (such as all the ones from the "G" category you have been contesting), the message in the speedy deletion template says the name of the namespace instead of "redirect". This is because when the speedy deletion template is placed, the redirect is temporarily converted into a soft redirect, making the template think that the page is not a redirect. Thus, the reason why all of the speedy deletion templates on pages you have been contesting say "This article..." instead of "This redirect..." Steel1943 (talk) 04:15, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Garagepunk66 (talk) 05:28, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your review of the new page Alan Longhurst

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Regarding speedy deletions

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football

Thank you for your support to make my Football article to look better! RaiderGuy4 (talk) 04:11, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for creating the article. My hat tips to you. Garagepunk66 (talk) 04:22, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

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Journey to the Safest Place on Earth

This is in reply to your edit of the article Journey to the Safest Place on Earth. If "full bibliographical information" includes names of authors and dates of their articles, then it seems that the requirement can not be met for the three sources now being used. I have found another source (by Swissinfo) at http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/hard-sell_opinions-remain-divided-over-nuclear-waste/37581160, where two films of opposite viewpoints are discussed. The other film is Pandora's Promise. Maybe I can rewrite the article on the basis of that source, and use the other three sources for additional links under "External links". I have been pondering the article, and I would be relieved if another editor would improve it to meet Wikipedia guidelines.
—Wavelength (talk) 20:09, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Not every source contains all of the info it should, but ideally we should try to present each source the way one would on a research paper:
Last Name, First Name. "Title". Publication Month Day, Year. Publisher. ISBN, URL, etc.
Obviously it would be nice if each source provided all of the information it should, but one should try to present all of the info that is given, just the way it is done on a research paper. Personally, I try to squeeze as much bibliographical info. as I can when making a citation. Remember that Wikipedia is a scholarly pursuit and the aim should be the highest form of excellence--even going beyond the call of duty. Good luck. Garagepunk66 (talk) 02:30, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply. I started that article in response to this revision of the article "List of environmental films", and as an alternative to removing the added entry and referring to WP:WTAF. However, writing a Wikipedia article is not always as easy as I would like it to be.
—Wavelength (talk) 18:10, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
Good luck with it. Writing articles can, be difficult at times. When I first started writing articles, I was reluctant to use my sandbox and did not have a decent working computer or fast connection, so I would end up rushing--and I'd come up with something that was less good than what I should have done. Luckily, the computer issue got solved, and I have fallen in love with sandboxes so much that now I've have made 11 of them! That may be going a little overboard, but it gives me a lot of flexibility and allows me to work peacefully (personally I like to see exactly how each article is going to look on the final page while I'm composing it, but that it just my personal preference). Good luck! Garagepunk66 (talk) 01:43, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

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Thank you

Thank you for reviewing Travel in the Greco-Roman world! I appreciate it.--MainlyTwelve (talk) 18:55, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Music chat

Here is a thread to discuss music, etc. Garagepunk66 (talk) 07:07, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

I finally finished the Rovin' Flames article, sorry for the long delay. I like the little circle of Tampa bands now on Wikipedia with the Tropics, the Outsiders, and now this band. I even encountered a group called Those Five (no article), who made this rocking tune called "Sidewalks" (DeLise, the singer of the Outsiders and Rovin' Flames was a member of this band). I also thought it's worth mentioning I've been talking with Shocking Blue about re-entering Wikipedia as a writer. Should he eventually desire to do so, I promised we would back him up if any problems arise with deletionists. Hope it was ok I used your name in that promise, I feel we should stick together since there isn't too many of us here.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 23:41, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
That's fine with me. By all means, I would encourage him to come back and do some writing. We would be here to protect against deletionists. By the way, I enjoyed reading the article about the Rovin' Flames. Garagepunk66 (talk) 00:05, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
I found this interesting studio group called the Fire Engine, which made an album called Psychotic Reaction in 1967. It mostly has covers of popular songs from the era. Interestingly enough, no personnel can be identified but it is rumored Sky Saxon played guitar on some tracks. Michael Lloyd and the mysterious Kim Fowley produced the album. Worth a listen, for the interesting story at least.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 12:37, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
I'll have to check 'em out. If Sky was involved, it must be good. And of course, Kim Fowley was always up to interesting things. I'll give it a listen. Garagepunk66 (talk) 19:33, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
Just a note, I mistakenly called the group Fire Engine when it's really the Fire Escape. Sorry about that, it was a silly slip-up.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 13:01, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
Oh, no problem. I'll definitely check them out. Garagepunk66 (talk) 22:51, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

I was wondering if you heard what Trump said about women considering abortions last week at the latest town hall debate? First off, I'll let you know I'm pro-life, except under extreme circumstances, but you are entitled to a unjudged opinion. He actually said women should be punished for abortions, which is a step way too far. Hopefully, his big mouth finally gets the best of him, and slows his momentum. To end on a positive note, here is a song I totally dig: "We Got It" by the Night People. Classic garage!TheGracefulSlick (talk) 21:28, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

I'll have to check that song out--I know I'll dig it. As for Trump... Yeah, I've been following his stunts and antics, and just when I thought his circus couldn't be topped, then he had the abortion meltdown. made himself look ridiculous once again. Personally, I'd like to see both parties (in their different ways) aim for unifying messages. Here is a scene that people need to see today: after Robert Kennedy's assassination in 1968, a train took his casket through a swath of the country, and you see people black and white, rich and poor, old and young, rural and urban, standing together. It is that last magic moment in the 60s we've spoken so many times about--that moment when people really believed that we could achieve something greater and were lifting to a higher consciousness. [[15]] [[16]]. This moment from the 60s means so much more to me than all of the B.S. we see in today's politics, and I think that we desperately need to find this kind of collective spirit once again. Garagepunk66 (talk) 02:11, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
I really wish Robert Kennedy had the opportunity to be president. I feel he would have been even better than JFK (not saying he wasn't a great president, but he didn't have much time to accomplish all of his goals). 1968 was perhaps the "dark year" of America, especially when the youth culture experienced a sense of optimism in 1967. Robert Kennedy was assassinated, MLK Jr. murdered, and the Tet Offensive showed we were far from any sort of victory in Vietnam. Kennedy was the last politician I could trust (and I wasn't even close to being born!) because he listened to the new generation. He deserved that type of send-off.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 02:43, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
I wish more of today's leaders aspired to unify people (all they have to do is try)--but the way Donald Trump intentionally creates animosity and hatred (just to get votes) is completely unacceptable and in my mind, aside from his obvious lack of qualifications in other regards, he has disqualified himself in the ultimate sense and should not be treated as a legitimate entity by anybody in the Republican party. I am disappointed that Christie and Giuliani are supporting him, but I have a feeling that is only because they are all from the New York/New Jersey area--and you kind of have to play ball with him there, because he owns so much real estate in that neck of the woods. But, they still have tainted themselves in their association with him. Garagepunk66 (talk) 02:52, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

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Oh, thank you--delicious! Here in New Orleans we love to get a Doberge cake from Gambinos's Bakery for our birthdays. I have a feeling that it is our local version of the dobos. So, I'm gonna sink my teeth in right now and take a big bite! Thanks. Garagepunk66 (talk) 03:35, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
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That's fine. Garagepunk66 (talk) 03:22, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

page curation and deprodding

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A cup of tea for you!

Thanks for the fast review of my recent article! DPdH (talk) 03:20, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. Just before bedtime! Garagepunk66 (talk) 03:22, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion on American Media Institute

Hi! The reason this page was blank is because it used to be just a redirect, and was recently (just 40 minutes before you nominated it for speedy deletion) blanked by Americanmediainstitute. It would probably be best served to just turn it back into a redirect, rather than deleting it. PeterTheFourth (talk) 03:10, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

OK, I didn't realize. Thanks. Garagepunk66 (talk) 03:30, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Music discussion

Here is a thread to discuss music, etc. Garagepunk66 (talk) 01:02, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Not sure if it is still 4/20 where you are but I wanted to take a moment to remember those that were gunned down at Columbine High School this day. I know (unfortunately) this day is recalled for the jokingly immature "holiday", but I though it would be more appropriate to remember those kids and teachers, some of whom were younger than me. I don't know why I'm so moved by this massacre over others; yet, I have studied the events leading to it extensively. Anyways, I send a prayer to all the victims every year, so I hope they are not forgotten any time soon.

Just to keep you updated, I have been working on articles related to black preachers from the 1920s and 30s. I'm not what you may call a religious person but I have always been interested in the recording of sermons. A reverend I've written on, Reverend A. W. Nix, had an excellent piece called "The Black Diamond Express to Hell" that is probably my favorite. He has such a soulful yet commanding voice, and it is interesting to compare/contrast his style with others such as J. C. Rice or J. M. Gates. I have discovered two other reverends (one in process) that deserve an article and fortunately they are found in several books.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 01:02, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Columbine was a terrible disaster. I just cannot understand the violence that went on that day--if only there could have been a way to prevent it. It is still shocking after all these years. Your interest in those preachers is a good thing. During the dark years of segregation, black ministers played a key role in keeping hope alive in the black community, and they would often make allusions to Moses in the Old Testament--how he lead his people out of captivity. In that sense, they were able to relate Biblical events to modern times. I gave Nix's sermon a listen. I found it interesting the way it is not only a sermon, but a song--how Nix sings to the congregation they sing along with him in response--that whole train as a metaphor is powerful. Garagepunk66 (talk) 02:52, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

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The page had tags but the creator removed them, they have been restored, you might want to put them together. Wgolf (talk) 04:20, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

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Thank you so much! I am a fairly new editor and I've learned so much from transactionalism. sheridanford (talk) 16:50, 27 April 2016 (UTC)kyraocity

I'd like to read up more on it. It sounds interesting. Garagepunk66 (talk) 02:07, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

About Epigraphia 3D

Hi Garagepunk66,

Sorry for the delay in replying and therefore have to revive this issue. All right, it is understood. I'm going to keep both problems (additional references and orphan) because I'm working on the Spanish article and it is going to have more references.

Thank you for your help! If I have another doubt, I will ask you! Have a nice day.

Regards, Ivanhercaz (talk) 10:54, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

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That's fine. Garagepunk66 (talk) 06:12, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

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I came across some of the pages you recently marked reviewed. I am concerned that of the few I saw, one was PRODed by PamD Proto xenomorph, one I needed a {{blpprod}} or better yet CSD#A7 Ganesh Lore and another, Bookitbee, I AfD'd. Please take more care for our notability guidelines when reviewing new articles. NPP is very important to the health of the project and is often the only review an article gets before getting lost in the 5000000+ other articles here.

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Centro Bonó

Can you please help me to see what is promotional and not just factual in this article which you found wanting. I'm at a loss to know what you are referring to. And which external links are inappropriate? Gratefully, Jzsj (talk) 06:18, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

It needs to be more objective and "3rd party" in tone. Encyclopedia writing has to be detatched and objective in order to be credible. First of all, the article could do without the mission statement--that would help a lot. Mission statements look out of place in an encyclopedia--they are advertisements. When I write articles, they are almost always about things I have passionate interest, yet I try to make them look like they are written by someone who has no particular interest other than to be factual. I have to step out of my own shoes, so to speak. Making the necessary improvements to the article will protect it from those who may wish to have it deleted. So, I mean this to be helpful. Good luck. Garagepunk66 (talk) 06:37, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your clarification. I've read up on mission statements in Wikipedia and checked featured articles for how they handle this: I wish there were featured articles on charitable organizations and NGOs so that I could see how they handle an immense scope of services through independent references to each, especially in poor, less literate countries where publications are sparse. I share your concern for factual presentation and objectivity and will see if I can get along describing visions and missions only in the context of works. Thanks for your time on this, and I'd like to know which references you find improper.Jzsj (talk) 15:42, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
I didn't have any problem with the references, per se--my main concern was that the tone (at the time) did not seem neutral and objective. By the way, I think the organization you wrote about does wonderful work and should be covered in an article here. I think that readers will actually respond to it best if it is neutral--because that is what they expect an encyclopedia to be like. For instance, if Britannica or World Book, did an article on it, readers would be surprised, even turned off, if the article there looked biased or like an advertisement. The same goes for us here--the only difference is that we are made up of volunteer editors and anyone can contribute--but the encyclopedic norms remain the same. If we don't adhere to the ethic of neutrality, then no one will want to read us, nor would we have any credibility in the public's eyes. Garagepunk66 (talk) 00:07, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

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I know that im bit invisivible for you, but anything that we say change anything in wethever thing. i just want to say that you internet user, are making a good work, thanks for help in the article that i work, and overall for the thanks that send to me, i like, and i really hope that you have great life, in the real life that is that really matters for a thousand miles. if you dont have the life thaat you deserve, i would give a key that change everything, i not joking nor crazy, just the true. cheers--Vvven (talk) 23:42, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, and best wishes to you too! Garagepunk66 (talk) 01:59, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Stub templates

Hello, Garagepunk66, and thanks for placing the stub templates on El-Said Badawi. However, I'd like to point out that one of them is actually inappropriate. Outside of the fact that Badawi studied the Qur'an as a child (as did the majority of Egyptian Muslim boys of his generation) and he authored a dictionary of Qur'anic usage (which constituted a small fraction of his academic output), the article really has nothing at all to do with religion. Badawi was a scholar and a linguist. Therefore, with your permission, I'd like to remove the "religion stub" template. Thank you.
Also, one question --- at what point does a stub cease to be a stub? Thanks again.--Akhooha (talk) 16:54, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Oh, no problem at all. You are the expert on the topic, so I will gladly go along with your judgment. I was associating him perhaps too much with Konranic scholarship, so I do apologize. By, all means remove that tag. You asked the question when a stub ceases to be a stub, and that is a tough call because there is no one set benchmark, it depends on the article. I've heard people say "6 inches long or more" and it is no longer a stub, but that may not always be so. For instance, a slightly longer article might be considered a stub if it has sections that are too brief. But, of course it is open to people's best judgment. My main hope in placing the tags is to invite people to expand on the articles about the interesting topics so that they can grow to their full potential. Best wishes too you and thanks. Garagepunk66 (talk) 01:56, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. And on the advice of a WP editor in the online Help chatroom, I've actually deleted both of the stub templates. He agreed that the article was no longer a stub, and cited a WP dictum of "be bold", so I've boldly deleted them both. Thanks for your attention and your help.--Akhooha (talk) 02:05, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
That's OK. The article is looking really nice now. Garagepunk66 (talk) 02:06, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Thank you.--Akhooha (talk) 02:14, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Music, etc.

Here is a thread to discuss music and various topics of interest. Garagepunk66 (talk) 02:14, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

If you ever wanted to write on a single individual, I found the perfect subject, Don Gallucci. I'm currently writing an article on his band Don and the Goodtimes (how can they not have an article yet!?). However, his career goes beyond that as he played in the Kingsmen, the psychedelic group Touch (which strangely has an article) and produced the Stooges' album Fun House, among other accolades. He is well deserving of an article, so if you ever are in the mood this could be one of your future projects.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 19:04, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
It sounds like a great idea. I can't wait to read the Don and the Goodtimes article. Somehow I just assumed they had an article, but I'm glad you are working on that. I would definitively like to do an article on Don Gallucci. Hey, I was thinking that we could do a joint project on the Psychedelic States series of comps. They have a lead-out article written already--but no specific album articles. Maybe we could divvy them up like we did with the GB66 and Teenage Shutdown series. I think that there are good sources on all of them, but I can check. Then we could each do half of the series. Since it is a big series, it would need two people working on it to make it all come about. Would you be interested? Garagepunk66 (talk) 02:08, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
P.S.: I remember that you asked me I I'd like to do that article on the Romancers, so I will start on it tonight. Let me know if you would like collaborate on the Psychedelic States articles. Garagepunk66 (talk) 00:32, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
I would like to help on the Psychedelic States article; however, I only have four of its albums so I'm not sure how much help I can be. Plus, I want to finally return to expanding the Chocolate Watchband article, which I keep laying off on. There also some new ideas like articles for The Battle of the Northwest Bands compilations, some blues musicians, and the Edicates (garage band). Just so much to do so maybe in the summer I could be more useful to that project. I wouldn't want you to wait on account of me so do not feel obligated to wait.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 01:05, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Let me know which four of the comps you have, and you could include those amongst the ones you do articles on. We could divvy it up in halves. But, no hurry--we could do the project over an extended period of time. I've go to get back to working the GR article, so I'm in no rush to finish the whole project, either--but I do want to get started on a couple of 'em, so be sure to let me know the four comps you have soon, so I can make a point not to do articles on those. Garagepunk66 (talk) 02:06, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
If you are busy with other projects, I can understand--but please let me know if you want me to reserve certain entries for you to do. Garagepunk66 (talk) 00:14, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

I currently own New York in the 60s, Vol. 1, Alabama in the 60s, Vol. 1, Florida in the 60s, Vol. 2, and Pennsylvania in the 60s, Vol. 1. In my opinion, the main article needs work before album articles can be considered and taken seriously but that's just me. I'll see if I can order more compilations in the near future.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 02:08, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

I'm not at all surprised that you have that Pennsylvania one... Hey, maybe you could let me do the one on 'Bama (since it's not too far from where I live) and I could sub-out one from another state for you to do--taking requests from the bandstand... If you only wanted to do articles on four or five of the comps, that would be fine--I could do the rest. But, if you wanted to do more, you could do half of 'em. Maybe I could make a list...and, of course if there are any particular ones you'd like to do, just let me know. We can take time with this. I wouldn't want it to get in the way of other stuff you're working on. So, we could take time with it, no rush. Believe it or not I don't own any of the comps yet, but I've played the songs on Youtube and really dig a lot of the material. I was thinking I'd do an upgrade on the lead article soon, which would help make the whole thing work better. Garagepunk66 (talk) 02:35, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
I apologize for not messaging you as much. I wasn't suppose to speak much about this, but I've refrained from messaging other users frequently because someone has been harassing me, somehow on my personal e-mail (and I change my e-mail three times!). Whoever it is (I have some ideas, but cannot confirm anyone) is angry with something I supposedly did on Wikipedia, but will not tell me specifically what it is. I've remained somewhat of a shut-in on Wikipedia so no one else has to receive such awful treatment. Admins have been looking into and have communicated with me outside of Wiki, so hopefully the issue will go away.
On another note, have you heard the Millennium's album Begin? I found a copy while record shopping a week ago and it's truly a studio masterpiece. Gary Usher produced it and if you like it another studio group called Sagittarius would be up your alley. Both bands kinda remind me of the Beach Boys' Pet Sounds period, which makes sense since Usher was involved with the band.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 01:54, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
I'm sorry to hear that your are dealing with another situation involving a warped and mean-spirited individual--and I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turns out to be the same person that was up to no good last year. You have worked so hard and done so many wonderful things here, to have to endure a low-life like that. I hope that my words will cheer you up--don't lose faith in mankind over a one weasely miscreant. I'm sure that this ordeal will pass in time. On a lighter note, I dig Sagittarius's song on Nuggets. I've always loved Pet Sounds--it may be my favorite album of all time. Brian Wilson is such a genius. Garagepunk66 (talk) 05:43, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

I would put Pet Sounds in my top 5, but sometimes I think it's overblown when critics say it's the "greatest rock album of all time". I would not deny it's a masterpiece but "greatest" is a stretch to me. I think the Beatles alone out did them with Sgt. Pepper and The White Album. It all comes down to preference I suppose. Heck, my favorite album of all time is All Things Must Pass by George Harrison; yet, many other people wouldn't even put it in their top 10.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 03:41, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

I've always thought it is silly the way rock critics try to put certain albums on a pedestal and claim they are the "greatest album of all time"--how can anyone say which one is? Maybe Pet Sounds has suffered a bit from this kind of over-deification, true, but I still love it just the same. I think that Sgt. Pepper gets a little bit over-touted, but it still offers some great moments ("A Day in the Life", "With a Little Help from my Friends", "Lovely Rita", and a few others) and has enough sound effects and production tricks to mask that there are a few too many weak songs to make it the #1 or #2 of all time. I would not say that Pepper is the definitive representation of the Beatles' music (or really the 60s for that matter)--it is more of a detour, wonderful though it is, but it seems overblown to me--with a couple of notable exceptions, it lacks the heart and soul of other albums and comes across as a bit contrived--too much façade (and some fluff) and not enough backbone. That is nit-picking of course (and I admit that I am in the minority). But, if someone who had never heard the Beadles asked me "What is Beatle music?", Sgt. Pepper would not be the first thing I'd play to them. I'd probably first play them With the Beatles, because, though the group may have to gone on to make greater and more ambitious discs, that album just sounds like "Beatle music" to me--it has that sound--that thing that took the world by storm--something intrinsic and unconscious--which could not be pre-planned or fabricated--it is just the raw and pure genius of them as a band. I have a particular love for The White Album too. It was not as accepted in its own time, but it has grown in regard over the years--I think it is one of their very best. Though, like Pepper, it has some weaker cuts, it doesn't try to hide them and there is just so much great stuff overflowing on those four extra-long sides--the amount of great music is just mind-blowing. But, I'll grant that Sgt. Pepper would have been the Beatles' best album--if they had made it an autobiographical/Liverpool remembrance/reflection kind of thing--which I've always suspected it started out as--what John would have wanted it to be. They could have included "Strawberry Fields" and "Penny Lane" on the album (and left out some of the lesser songs) and made the cover artwork look like that simple but poignant set of images we saw on the "Strawberry Fields" single. They could have built the whole concept around that theme and would have had something much more beautiful: a tough, honest, and painful, but also joyful and dreamlike, sometimes funny, reflection of their lives connected with the whole changing times and psychedelic thing. I just think it was a missed opportunity. I know, people will say I'm crazy to say that--they'll say" "C'mon GP66, don't you realize that it is considered the greatest album ever since Adam met Eve--their best selling too, and it turned everybody on, so whyreya complainin'". But, I think that the Beatles missed on a golden opportunity to do something greater. Instead they settled for a facile and superficial concept (thanks to Paul) that robbed the context of its heart and guts (though there are still some great songs). If no one had ever put Sgt. Pepper at the top of almost every list, I'd say I like it's just fine the way it is--I really like it. But, since it is at the top of nearly every list, I have to get critical--it is just not quite at that level. I'm 100% with you there about All Things Must Pass. I have always loved that album, and I think it is Harrison's best work--a great album by any standard and underrated. Garagepunk66 (talk) 23:57, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
I agree Sgt. Pepper isn't the best representation of Beatles music, to me The White Album is, even though ironically it was when the band was more divided than ever. I think they jumped into the whole jazz-fusion thing without truly appreciating it and taking more time to hone the craft. Take the Soft Machine for instance, it took them four albums (literally the album is called Four, creative right?) before they mastered the art form. Some say it took much longer, that it wasn't until Seven (another creative name!). My whole point from that little rant is the Beatles kinda jumped from experiment to experiment (folk to psychedelia to jazz fusion, etc.) without fully appreciating one specific genre. Don't get me wrong, I like diversity in music. But I appreciate when a musician masters his craft, like when Harrison mastered the sitar or when he recorded All Things Must Pass.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 01:59, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
For the Beatles (mainly Paul) and the Stones, the whole music hall, trad. jazz, and vaudeville thing was a nice, fun little diversion. The Kinks did it much be better by far--for Ray Davies, that whole music hall, traditional jazz, and vaudeville thing was something he cherished deeply in his soul and was essential to his whole musical and lyrical iconography (and is therefore an essential element in the Kinks' music--in the way it wasn't for the Beatles). I think that Something Else by the Kinks was the best British rock album of 1967. It is, in my mind, the quintessential album of London life, and if you've ever visited there, you will find that the street life and social milieu is exactly like it is on that album. Ray Davies is to 20th century England what Dickens was for the 19th. I'll have to get more familiar with the Soft Machine--I've always wanted to listen to some of their stuff, so now might be a nice chance. I agree about the White Album--I think that the Beatles' internal problems and friction actually inspired them (like flint and stone) on that outing. I think that the problem on Let it Be was not only their personal problems, but more specifically that they had out-done themselves on the White album and were a bit depleted--they started recording Let it Be only two months after the White Album--it is amazing that they manage to come up with a some of the better stuff on there. I have come to really like "Let it Be" in a weird way, despite its flaws. Garagepunk66 (talk) 02:33, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

If you ever get into the Soft Machine their self-titled debut is a good place to start. The songs are much more psychedelic and there is actually some vocals (after Three they stuck to instrumentals). It is kind of one of those Terry Knight and the Pack situations: vocalist isn't great, but works perfectly with the songs. "Joy of a Toy" is probably their best known, you'll notice the wah-wah right away! Also I found this article on dangerousminds.net. I'd send a link but my iphone doesn't go directly to the article for some reason. Anyways the title is SO YOU WANT TO BE A ROCK ‘N’ ROLL STAR: PHOTOS OF THE 1960’S GARAGE BAND EXPLOSION, and it has some awesome pictures of garage bands I've never heard about until now.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 23:04, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

I'll have to give Soft Machine's first album a listen. And, I'll have the check out the Dangerous Minds article too! Garagepunk66 (talk) 01:07, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Another band I found that you might like is called the Hangmen. They made a song called "What a Girl Can't Do", and an excellent version of "Gloria" on their album Bittersweet. I'm going to write about them after I finished an article on the Beach Nuts. After reflecting on what we've done here, I realized the shear size of it all. Between you and me over 310 articles have been created and countless others improved. Even with that, there is still more to write about, but be proud of what we have accomplished. Without us, garage bands would remain terribly underappreciated. I think Wikipedians are beginning to understand their importance, so we are also slowly changing people's perspectives.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 02:29, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
I know the Hangmen well, in fact I had started a setup in sandbox 12 for an article on them earlier this week. I had mentioned them in the GR article a while back then just finished updateding the info earlier there this week when I was getting started on their article. I was meaning to get to it, but I got really busy the last few days, so I'm trying to get back to the article. One reason I delayed is that I'm going to have to unscramble a lot of info in the 60s Garage Bands interview. You wouldn't mind if I go ahead and proceed with writing that article? But, please get back to me. I could recommend another band for you to do one on. Garagepunk66 (talk) 03:38, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Oh it's fine I didn't even notice that you had it started. I check your sandboxes occasionally so I'm surprised I missed that. I still have a sizable list of bands to write about, but thank you for mentioning this to me to avoid any confusion.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 03:45, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
No problem, but out of a sense of kindness to you, I could let you do the Romancers or another band. Just let me know. To be honest, the Hangmen article is going to be a real tough one to do (so I'm probably going to be really biting my nails while I do that one)--unscrambling that interview and all. But, I'd be happy to give you another band to do. I want to make up for any hard feelings by offering you a band. Garagepunk66 (talk) 03:58, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
P.S.: And I just want to say thank you for all the wonderful work you've done. You just mentioned what we have worked for, and I value that so much. So, just let me know if you'd like to do the Romancers...or another band, and I'd be happy to have you write the article. It's on the house. Garagepunk66 (talk) 04:08, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

I'm truly alright, I think the Romancers were my trade-off to you so I could write the Electras article. I don't care who writes about the Hangmen as long as it's done well. Every article you've created has been done with care and precision so I don't worry about the final shape it will be in. Besides I still have to write articles for the Edicates, the Daybreakers (their "Psychedelic Siren" is a primitive, but interesting song to hear by the way), the Tell-Tale Hearts, etc. so I have plenty to do. There will never be any hard feelings, but thank you anyways.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 14:09, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

That's so kind. And, you know the great thing: there are so many 60s bands to write about--there is no way any one person could cover them all in any reasonable amount of time. It's just great having someone else here that shares my passion for the 60s and is dedicated to writing about the music--it makes life easier for me knowing that I don't have to do it alone--it is such a huge endeavor. I'd safely guess that there must have been at least 15,000 bands (conservative figure) that recorded in the US alone in the 60s, and that's not even including Canada. And, of course, then there were all of the other countries on top of that. I realize that we can't always find good sources for every group, but I think that there are a ton of things out there--even when AllMusic doesn't do a profile--there are numerous other good sources. So, I think that we've barely tipped the iceberg. Garagepunk66 (talk) 01:35, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

I thought this was humorous. I recently found a band called the Five Canadians. Of course you have heard of the Five Americans who had some big hits ("I See the Light" is my favorite). Well these guys weren't even Canadian, they were from San Antonio and were half mocking, half jumping on a bandwagon when they made the name! Still, their song "Writing on the Wall" is worth a listen. I'll make sure to get them an article in the next week!TheGracefulSlick (talk) 01:57, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

I believe that they recorded that great song on the Trash Box comp., "Writing on the Wall". I know you will do a fantastic article--I know you'll give them the usual red carpet treatment, so I can't wait to read it! Then, there were the Canadian Legends from Florida. So, I guess the whole "Canadian" thing was cool. Garagepunk66 (talk) 03:53, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
I've recently been learning a lot more about Love to collaborate with Ghmyrtle on the Forever Changes album. I discovered Arthur Lee and Jimi Hendrix collaborated together on a song called "Blue Thumb" in 1970. It isn't related to the album, but I thought it was interesting nonetheless. I should have more additions to the album's article by tomorrow and I'm actually happy with my work so far, which says a lot because I'm typically much more hard on my self than I should be.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 23:18, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
I was very happy and at peace until AlongStay made his grand and unwelcome re-appearance into my world. I cannot understand what I've ever said or done to anyone to bring this on. I honestly didn't think that anyone would want to delete the article when I wrote it, in light of the song's inclusion on Nuggets, and usually and article on a song should have an accompanying piece about the artist. But, I'm just a fan of this music--I just write about the music--that's mainly what I do. I'm not out to judge people, and if I do judge, I do it to help improve articles. The only articles I ever mark for deletion are obvious cases for CSD: obvious hoaxes, unsourced nonsense, articles with no content, cases of flagrant self-promotion, etc. But , now I am angry and hurt. I need truth and clarity. I need to know what is up and down. Who is ALongStay? What does he want from me? I need an answer fast. Do I have any friends in this place and people that I can trust? Garagepunk66 (talk) 00:24, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Oh, well I do not know what to say. The closest thing I had to something like this was CA, but I'd rather this situation not last as long as that fiasco. I can try talking to the user if that would help. I did my best giving an honest response at the AFD for the band article. I honestly believe every band on the Nuggets comp deserves an article, so I'm on your side on this debate.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 00:31, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Would you recommend that I have AlongStay and ABriefPassing forensically investigated? Garagepunk66 (talk) 00:34, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Well let us consider what the situation is. He cannot be blocked on sockpuppetry for those two accounts because he admitted on his user page that is him, and as long as he does not return to the BriefPassing account, he is actually within the rules. As long as he is not hostile, he cannot be charged for harassment and to my knowledge from the AFD comments the user has not insulted you and actually tried to back off (sorta). Although it is just a hunch, I doubt he has many articles of yours left to nominate otherwise he would have done it already. So yes ALongStay could probably be blocked for a technicality, but not permanently blocked. A minor block may upset him, prompting more direct harassment and alternate accounts to attack the articles. I feel if we weather this storm he will leave you alone, if he stays true to the intentions he stated. I know that sounds like a cheap solution, but I really do not want you to have a stalker like I have still.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 00:46, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

But, I do have a stalker, and that is the problem--although of a different kind (I do not have a Wiki e-mail account set up, although maybe I should set one up). And, I'd probably rather have a nasty spammer than a deletionist. That is in no way to underestimate what you are going though--I'd guess that your ordeal is probably much worse than mine, and I empathize wholeheartedly. But, I have this current situation. And, there is likely an invisible third editor involved, which is a no no--that is the person that needs to be blocked. I need to know that ALongStay will be gone for good--there are a thousand other articles for him to delete, so he can have a field day with other editors' pieces if that is what he likes to do. As for me, I'll just try to do the best job I can as an editor. No one else has to give a damn--no one ever did (well, maybe one person did once upon a time, but that was long ago). I have come to the point where I can feel good about what I've accomplished, and that will give me the hope to carry on--that is unobstructed. I mean no one any harm, but I just want to be in peace now. Garagepunk66 (talk) 04:53, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
I wouldn't say he is stalking you, he is just merely a thorn in your side right now. You could try discussing the situation with him, that is the only thing I see that can move anything forward. We did choose to pick a topic that is not completely understood by everyone here as notable, so this was to be expected at some point. In all honesty, we have not always followed Wiki's notability policy, but I feel that is a calculated risk that benefits everyone in the end. Like it or not, the user will not go away unless it is on his own accord. He has not slipped up again by insulting you or acting hostile, and we do not truly understand his ability to simply make another account if this one became blocked.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 14:24, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
The Wiki notability policies are guidelines, not necessarily strict rules in the rigid sense. A certain degree of discretion is left to knowledgeable editors (that is why there is a discussion). The guidelines can be invoked as rationale, but sometimes other factors have to be considered as well. The guidelines are there to help editors make good decisions about what needs to be included and what doesn't, but obviously exceptions can sometimes be granted, particularly dealing with historical topics. An article about an itenerant bluesman of the 1930s or a garage band of the 1960s who did work that is remembered and well-regarded by enthusiasts cannot be treated the exact same way as an act of the last thirty years. For instance, a typical garage band working today should not be considered notable, and an article on such a band would do more to serve the purposes of self-promotion than to document an historical event. But, a band from 50s years ago that recorded chronicled and well-remembered music is a different kind of entity, and probably needs an encyclopedia article to serve the needs of those who want to learn about the creators of an ethnographic form. It is up to conscientious editors to know the difference. I don't need to contact ALongStay via his talk page, because he is reading this and will come to understand what I've just said. No editor should have a thorn in their side. I need peace at this time to get on with my work--and I want the worthy things I've written about to remain here. That is all with the best intentions. Garagepunk66 (talk) 19:56, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
You're really telling this to the wrong person, I know all these things. Except the guidelines are guidelines, there are really no exceptions that true editors will bring up. Otherwise, there would be no order in this already fragile system. Nonetheless, about 95% of what we write is made notable because of sources, pre-Google guidelines, and the fact they are mentioned many years after their original run. But, again, these are all clearly mentioned in guidelines created long before we ever got here. I really do not want to continue this discussion because it seems I'm taking some of the brunt of your frustrations, whether you intended that or not is not the point. I will wait until the AFDs are over and this has passed before I message you again. Take care.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 22:21, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
I'm not pointing fingers. I wish no ill will on anyone. Garagepunk66 (talk) 22:53, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
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