User talk:François.77fr
July 2022
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Hello, I'm Adakiko. I noticed that in this edit to Triathlon equipment, you removed content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, the removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Adakiko (talk) 12:59, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, I try to change a wrong information but everybody try to stop me. The wikipedia page Triathlon Equipement say that Dan Empfield created the first triathlon wetsuit in 1987 but it's wrong. It's a French company. It's name is Aquaman. You just have to look the magazine article of Tri-Athlere France. That is the link https://aquaman-triathlon.com/content/6-historique they are an advertise of January 1986 with an aquaman wetsuit.And I would like to show you an other Triathlon. For this wikipedia page, you have to put the language on French and read the "Équipements spécifiques" part. You will see the true story of the creation of the first wetsuit. François.77fr (talk) 08:07, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- I would suggest starting a tread on talk:Triathlon equipment. See help:talk pages and wp:talk page guidelines. Good evidence is required to support this sort of change. In this case, I would recommend finding wp:secondary sources that meet wp:reliable sources. An Aquaman advertisement might be self-serving and/or others might find that ad suspicious. Best of luck! Adakiko (talk) 08:52, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- OK, thanks, I sent a message. I hope someone will change this wrong information because work of people must be recognized and stealing the work of others is called false advertise. It's funny because someone ban me for "false advertise" when I'm telling the truth ;) François.77fr (talk) 10:23, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- I would suggest starting a tread on talk:Triathlon equipment. See help:talk pages and wp:talk page guidelines. Good evidence is required to support this sort of change. In this case, I would recommend finding wp:secondary sources that meet wp:reliable sources. An Aquaman advertisement might be self-serving and/or others might find that ad suspicious. Best of luck! Adakiko (talk) 08:52, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- I think you need to add another source. They think you are adding advertisements. I also added a section title to your comment. Cheers Adakiko (talk) 10:54, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks a lot for your help, you are very helpful. François.77fr (talk) 12:07, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hopefully, I helped! Another editor attempted to add the same content as you. One JohnV1956 (talk · contribs) I don't think you are the same person, but if you are, please see wp:sock. Cheers Adakiko (talk) 12:13, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, This person is not me but he is my friend. If it's a problem, I will ask him to not try to publish the same things as me. François.77fr (talk) 07:34, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think it's a problem. It seemed unusual that two accounts would make similar edits about the same time. Did you see the reply to your comment on talk:Triathlon equipment#Creator of first triathlon wetsuit questioned? Cheers Adakiko (talk) 07:52, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, that is the reply :
- Hi,No source confirms that the company Aquaman is at the origin of the creations of swimming suits specific to triathlon. Except the site of the reseller and the renumerated contributor, who has been trying for months to advertise for this brand. Contributor prohibited on WP.fr. for forced passage and incessant publicity for his brand. On the other hand, information that states that Dan Empfield is the original inventor of a specific combination is correctly sourced. It will be transcribed in the article in French. Best regards. --K.A
- And that is my answer :
- Hi, I have something new for you. It's a YT video that's the name of the vidéo : Nice World Triathlon 1985 from the YT page MrRunsteve . You have to put the time line at 4:12. On your screen, you will see the first wetsuit for the triathlon (a sleeveless and short-legged wetsuit with a blue stripe running from under the arms down to the knees). Exactly the same as the wetsuit on the website of Aquaman (that is the link : https://aquaman-triathlon.com/content/6-historique). If you like vintage vidéo, you can also watch some Aquaman Wetsuit on this vidéos ( Name : TRIATHLON des PIONNIERS ( 1986 / 1987 ) No 1 from bob ALPRA. The time line is on 0:53 ; Link : http://www.triclair.com/videos/download-avi-1986-nice-1986.htm time line on 5:10). So now, could you please stop your overzealousness? (I can't put some links from YouTube because YouTube is on the wikipedia's black list.)
- If this link is good for you I would like to know why! https://web.archive.org/web/20080322095938/http://www.slowtwitch.com/F.I.S.T./F.IS.T._Workshops_47.html This article is the source of the information saying that is Dan Empfield the creator of the first wetsuit. But the problem is : This article was wright by… Dan Empfield himself, on the website of… Dan Empfield. Yes, I'm sorry to kill your brain but Slowtwich.com is the propriety of Dan Empfield. Hum… I understood that my account was ban because I made some advertise, what about the guy who write this part of the wikipedia page. Strangely, I feel like I am doing your job.
- The important thing on Wikipedia is to show to peoples the truth. Now, you are lying to people. Please say the truth and I'm sure you know it. You wrote a lot of triathlon pages on wikipedia, you probably know the story of the triathlon in France and you know very well that I'm saying the truth. I would like to call you to speak with you but I'm not sure that you will accept. François.77fr (talk) 12:55, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Once again you launch accusations, and persist in wanting to write your truth. Yes, I know the history of triathlon in France well, and I persist in saying that nothing shows that the company Aquaman invented a swimming suit for triathlon. As for the fact that Dan Empfield is recognized as the inventor of a specific combination for triathlon. This info is referenced by other sources, including one that introduces him to his hall of fame to grant him this invention. This being the case, you refuse here, as on .fr, to take a simple fact into account. You cannot write your truth here as elsewhere, only quality secondary sources can confirm information, you do not provide any. And for good reason Aquaman did not invent anything, but like many other companies adapted diving suits to another practice. Your frenzied advertising ambition discredits you and it is useless to argue with you because of this fact. On wikipedia we do not write our truth, but what quality sources report. The one you are contesting has greater value than yours that come from the brand's commercial site or personal blogs. To put it simply, if the Aquaman brand had invented the triathlon swimming suit, quality sources would talk about it and the debate would not take place. So, we're not going to start talking for nothing again on .en, you don't want to hear anything on .fr, it will be the same here, you add your accusations of lies which are personal attacks and which will surely lead you to death. Same prohibition to write as on WP.fr. So let's stop wasting time and stop your spam, advertising to look for real secondary sources that confirm your words, it will then be time to modify the articles accordingly. See you.--K.A (talk) 13:43, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- OK, I'm disagree with you. Can you please explain me the source of Dan Empfield. I said explain me, not show me. If you are interested, you can come to Marseille, I will be very proud to show you a lot of things. François.77fr (talk) 14:23, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Dan Empflied is received in several halls of fame, in triathlon and swimming. All sources recognize him for creating the first wetsuit for triathlon made with Yamamoto sc39 neoprene, which is surely the only real invention in fact and from my point of view. But my point of view like yours are not sources, the sources confer this primacy on Dan Empfield, even the source FFTri, only speaks of primacy of technique for Aquaman, around its reverse closure and its adaptation of the combinations of surfing and diving, but no invention of a specific triathlon wetsuit... This is an important nuance. If Dan Empfield patented his "invention" (even inspired by other works) first, he remains the inventor. In any case, your modifications on all the articles which touch on this subject, are unacceptable because it disorganizes the projects as well .en, as .fr for a personal point of view, I invite you to stop this behavior because a definitive prohibition of Writing about this project may also be requested if you persist in modifying in the direction of your story or publicity interests. see you. --K.A (talk) 14:48, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- 1. Avez vous une preuve du brevet de Dan Empfield ?
- 2. Avez-vous eu par le passé un problème à Aquaman ?
- 3. Si vous connaissez le triathlon, alors vous ne pouvez ignorer que SLOWTWITCH appartient à Dan Empfield. Comment pouvez vous accepter que la source qui indique que Dan Empfield est l'inventeur soit écrite par lui même ?
- 4. Indiquez moi la différence entre la première combinaison de triathlon d'Aquaman et de Quintana Roo (autre que les couleurs ou la coupe des bras et des jambes).
- Pouvez vous répondre avec des points (1, 2, 3,… ) à mes questions ?
- See you François.77fr (talk) 15:07, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Dan Empflied is received in several halls of fame, in triathlon and swimming. All sources recognize him for creating the first wetsuit for triathlon made with Yamamoto sc39 neoprene, which is surely the only real invention in fact and from my point of view. But my point of view like yours are not sources, the sources confer this primacy on Dan Empfield, even the source FFTri, only speaks of primacy of technique for Aquaman, around its reverse closure and its adaptation of the combinations of surfing and diving, but no invention of a specific triathlon wetsuit... This is an important nuance. If Dan Empfield patented his "invention" (even inspired by other works) first, he remains the inventor. In any case, your modifications on all the articles which touch on this subject, are unacceptable because it disorganizes the projects as well .en, as .fr for a personal point of view, I invite you to stop this behavior because a definitive prohibition of Writing about this project may also be requested if you persist in modifying in the direction of your story or publicity interests. see you. --K.A (talk) 14:48, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- OK, I'm disagree with you. Can you please explain me the source of Dan Empfield. I said explain me, not show me. If you are interested, you can come to Marseille, I will be very proud to show you a lot of things. François.77fr (talk) 14:23, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Once again you launch accusations, and persist in wanting to write your truth. Yes, I know the history of triathlon in France well, and I persist in saying that nothing shows that the company Aquaman invented a swimming suit for triathlon. As for the fact that Dan Empfield is recognized as the inventor of a specific combination for triathlon. This info is referenced by other sources, including one that introduces him to his hall of fame to grant him this invention. This being the case, you refuse here, as on .fr, to take a simple fact into account. You cannot write your truth here as elsewhere, only quality secondary sources can confirm information, you do not provide any. And for good reason Aquaman did not invent anything, but like many other companies adapted diving suits to another practice. Your frenzied advertising ambition discredits you and it is useless to argue with you because of this fact. On wikipedia we do not write our truth, but what quality sources report. The one you are contesting has greater value than yours that come from the brand's commercial site or personal blogs. To put it simply, if the Aquaman brand had invented the triathlon swimming suit, quality sources would talk about it and the debate would not take place. So, we're not going to start talking for nothing again on .en, you don't want to hear anything on .fr, it will be the same here, you add your accusations of lies which are personal attacks and which will surely lead you to death. Same prohibition to write as on WP.fr. So let's stop wasting time and stop your spam, advertising to look for real secondary sources that confirm your words, it will then be time to modify the articles accordingly. See you.--K.A (talk) 13:43, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think it's a problem. It seemed unusual that two accounts would make similar edits about the same time. Did you see the reply to your comment on talk:Triathlon equipment#Creator of first triathlon wetsuit questioned? Cheers Adakiko (talk) 07:52, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, This person is not me but he is my friend. If it's a problem, I will ask him to not try to publish the same things as me. François.77fr (talk) 07:34, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hopefully, I helped! Another editor attempted to add the same content as you. One JohnV1956 (talk · contribs) I don't think you are the same person, but if you are, please see wp:sock. Cheers Adakiko (talk) 12:13, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks a lot for your help, you are very helpful. François.77fr (talk) 12:07, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- I think you need to add another source. They think you are adding advertisements. I also added a section title to your comment. Cheers Adakiko (talk) 10:54, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Now that's enough. I don't have to answer you on any subject. Do you have any secondary source that confirms your information. If not, what you write is misinformation, pure and simple. So the debate is closed, all your additions without real sources will be reverted in accordance with the conventions. WP is not there for your advertising, or your recognition needs. You are already banned on WP.fr, you follow the same path here. And finally, read the sources, when USAZ triathlon introduced Dan Empflied, inventor of the swim suit, we weren't talking about slowitch. Your frenzied stubbornness is more than suspect and harmful to the project. A new ban will be requested against you. Your misinformation must stop. --K.A (talk) 15:39, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- First source : The advertise in TRI_ATHLETE MAGAZINE Second : video, on YouTube that I have already sent you. See you François.77fr (talk) 07:39, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
No personal attacks
[edit]Please see wp:No personal attacks Your edit to Talk:Triathlon equipment "now you are lying to people" probably would be considered a personal attack. K.A could be wrong, he gave you evidence for why he believes what he does, so please do not accuse him of "lying" unless you have good evidence for that. Contradictory evidence for the creator of the suit is insufficient.
I would recommend you strike out that text in this manner. wp:Staying cool when the editing gets hot. Thank you Adakiko (talk) 20:52, 28 July 2022 (UTC)