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Abishe (talk) 23:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
RFC Notice
[edit]Hello, this notice is for everyone who took part in the March 2024 AfD on lists of airline destinations. I have started a new RfC on the subject. If you would like to participate please follow this link: Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not § RfC on WP:NOT and British Airways destinations. Sunnya343 (talk) 00:59, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
I am canvassing you...
[edit]...to participate in this canvassing discussion, just in case you haven't seen it. Of course, as always, the set of more interesting things to do is infinite. Sean.hoyland (talk) 07:44, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- Technically, you’re attempting to canvass me, because I’m already aware of the
train wreckdiscussion :) - If I find the time to read it all, I’ll definitely contribute (once I’m done with the current section of German civil law and giving PADI excessive amounts of money), so thank you! FortunateSons (talk) 08:11, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
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Unhelpful comment
[edit]Hey, I found your accusation of blood libel in this comment to be unhelpful. It is essentially an accusation of antisemitism, completely unfounded, and needlessly raises the temperature in an already contentious topic area. You're free to ignore my comment if you will.
I also found the same comment to be contrary to the spirit of WP:BLP, where you write "Ramy Abdu's indirect ties to Hamas". The article cited attributes the Hamas claim to Shin Bet, and doesn't state it in its own voice nor endorse that claim.
I don't want to make a big deal, but I know you're a rather intelligent and well-read wikipedian, so the comment came across as unexpected.VR (Please ping on reply) 22:33, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
- @Vice regent, hey, thanks for reaching out. As I have already responded to your comment there, I’ll try to keep this somewhat brief: it’s what I consider an accurate summary of the opinion of a (in the real world, less so on Wikipedia) well-respected source, and directed towards specific actions by the group, not any individual. Would you be willing to elaborate on what the specific concern is? I would genuinely like to understand, and felt like my comment was exclusively descriptive, and not assigning value. For what it’s worth: I personally do not believe that they are invoking that stereotype intentionally, and consider it possible that it’s merely coincidental, but can anecdotally tell you that the ADL’s reaction was roughly aligned with those of other Jewish people I know, so it’s probably not a niche view either. And if you look at many of the less mainstream discussions of this topic, it seems like no matter what EMHRM wanted, that type of story always gets those kind of people crawling out of the woodwork [1][2][3][4], and that’s just the comments that weren’t deleted. (And I avoided Twitter, but I think we can both guess what those discussions will look like).
- Regarding Ramy Abdu, our own article says that he
was the assistant director and Palestine Office Manager for Council for European Palestinian Relations, an organisation described by The Independent as "a Belgian non-profit organisation that lobbies on behalf of the Hamas-led Gaza Government."
. I feel like that’s close enough to my statement to be broadly fine, but if it isn’t, I’m open to suggestions for a different phrasing? - On a general note, I appreciate you coming to me with this concern, and you’re very much invited to discuss this (or any other issue) on my talk page anytime! And while I’m not generally a fan of apologies like this, and I’m guessing you aren’t either, but: I hope that didn’t cause any offence, and sincerely apologise if I did. FortunateSons (talk) 23:34, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
- @Vice regent, are you still concerned? I’m happy to rephrase/appropriately qualify the areas of concern if you have a specific suggestion, as keeping the area as non-heated as possible is something I care about :) FortunateSons (talk) 10:14, 24 March 2025 (UTC)