User talk:Flamingoflorida
Flamingoflorida (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I have kept to my coi as discussed with NeilM and I am still learning about sources and templates but I’m trying to learn
Decline reason:
I'm sorry, but while reviewing your latest edits I found an unnecessary page move, unsourced information, grammar made worse, links getting broken... and that was just one article. You even introduced one blatant error of fact. Cleaning up after you will be quite some effort. I don't see that unblocking you would improve the encyclopedia. Huon (talk) 01:49, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
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Flamingoflorida, I have restored the declined unblock request - those may not be removed while the block is active. See this information. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 14:07, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
Hello
[edit]I want be completely open I have a conflict of interest agout the recanati family people keep adding information to those articles some of it is false and since I am blocked I have to use what you call sock puppet I don’t want to do any of that but the problem is that the information is damaging to living members of the family for example I tried today to fix the recanati winery this was delete from the talk page bec7i am a sock puppet my information is still relevant about my family as I know this information first hand and can show sources about them This is flamingo Florida the wiki link you added is a major problem Leon Recanati has 4 sons his son Daniel had a a son Leon Recanati his brother Jacques has a son Lenny Recanati he is the owner of recanati wine in the family you name your first son after your father https://mobile.nytimes.com/1997/03/05/classified/paid-notice-deaths-recanati-jacques.html This is the obit of Lenny father it says Lenny not Leon Lenny has the boat and apartment This is Leon recanati father https://www.geni.com/people/Daniel-Recanati/6000000008074925477 it is an easy mistake to make but one that has consequences as Lenny is a successful businessman and Leon is not so a mix up is extremely unfair to the 18 years of work Lenny has done with the winery Lenny official name is https://www.geni.com/people/Lenny-RECANATI/6000000009228928501 This is Leon recanati https://www.geni.com/people/Leon-Recanati/6000000007181527294 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.28.128.154 (talk) 02:56, 3 January 2018 (UTC) I wrote this in the talk it is relavant and well sourced unblock Flamingoflorida (talk) 04:15, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- If you want to be an editor, you need to fulfill the first requirement for a copy editor: the ability to write and spell in the English language. To wit, "I could like to talk with you about my actions and intentions I know for sure that the recanati winerywiki link is a grave error making Lenny Recanati to Leon they are 2 separate people I posted proof these are living people and making them into one penis a grave disservice to them whatever you think of me please fix this". A period concludes a sentence; a semicolon can be used to connect two closely-related thoughts. No one else discussed a phallus. I'm not sure why you chose to. I suggest you read and digest the Chicago Manual of Style (17th Edition) before you return to this forum. Or at least Strunk and White. Rhadow (talk) 14:44, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Flamingoflorida (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I want be completely open I have a conflict of interest agout the recanati family people keep adding information to those articles some of it is false and since I am blocked I have to use what you call sock puppet I don’t want to do any of that but the problem is that the information is damaging to living members of the family for example I tried today to fix the recanati winery this was delete from the talk page bec7i am a sock puppet my information is still relevant about my family as I know this information first hand and can show sources about them This is flamingo Florida the wiki link you added is a major problem Leon Recanati has 4 sons his son Daniel had a a son Leon Recanati his brother Jacques has a son Lenny Recanati he is the owner of recanati wine in the family you name your first son after your father https://mobile.nytimes.com/1997/03/05/classified/paid-notice-deaths-recanati-jacques.html This is the obit of Lenny father it says Lenny not Leon Lenny has the boat and apartment This is Leon recanati father https://www.geni.com/people/Daniel-Recanati/6000000008074925477 it is an easy mistake to make but one that has consequences as Lenny is a successful businessman and Leon is not so a mix up is extremely unfair to the 18 years of work Lenny has done with the winery Lenny official name is https://www.geni.com/people/Lenny-RECANATI/6000000009228928501 This is Leon recanati https://www.geni.com/people/Leon-Recanati/6000000007181527294 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.28.128.154 (talk) 02:56, 3 January 2018 (UTC) I wrote this in the talk it is relavant and well sourced Template:Unblock Flamingoflorida (talk) 04:15, 3 January 2018 (UTC) Flamingoflorida (talk) 04:18, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Decline reason:
You are never going to be unblocked with that attitude. We need to be convinced you'll abide by WP:COI and WP:SOCK, not go out of your way to violate them. Yamla (talk) 14:11, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
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Flamingoflorida (talk) 04:18, 3 January 2018 (UTC)}}
See Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Flamingoflorida_is_back_with_sockpuppets. I've blocked socks, else I would decline this request myself. --NeilN talk to me 04:56, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
This editor's analysis
[edit]Flamingoflorida is likely a member of the Recanati family. She is well acquainted with the family and passionate about correcting the errors she perceives. Her disambiguation of Lenny and Leon Recanti, cousins both named for grandfather Leon Yehuda Recanati is valuable. On the other hand, she has demonstrated limited ability to edit in accord with Wikipedia standards, including WP:MOS and WP:CITE. Her edits have exhibited an ongoing problem with WP:NPOV, for example her edits to Overseas Shipholding Group, removing assertions about the company's bankruptcy, claiming that no sources were provided. A responsible editor would have added information about the bankruptcy and subsequent emergence with references. I recommend that the ban on her editing anything in the Recanati category continue.
Outside that category, her edits to Luann de Lesseps, for example, were disruptive, resulting, I suspect, simply from ignorance of the policies and norms of Wikipedia. I am not sure how to test her compliance with Wikipedia norms to allow her to be unblocked. Her use of sockpuppets, first Artliker, then 2600:387:9:3:0:0:0:BE and other IP addresses, tells me that she would prefer to skirt the rules than comply with them. Ignorance can be cured with education; there is no cure for stupidity.
If she continues to communicate through this user page, I have no particular problem with that. If another editor chooses to surveil the page, confirm the veracity of requests and assertions (with references provided), and make changes, that's fine. I fear a series of loud requests with a tone of entitlement spread throughout the encyclopedia. Rhadow (talk) 12:43, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
To start I’m a he not a she can you please teach me about how Wikipedia works during all this process no one has helped me learn about the way it is edited I would give up all sock puppets and ip skipping if I could be unblocked The Leon Yehuda Recanati has lost it is business section h]can you fix it please I want to be completely honest about the whole process I am the son of Michael Recanati please help me @Rhadow: also the Discount Investment Corporation needs a lookover
- Hello Flamingoflorida -- I believe you have been given links numerous times to Wikipedia editing guides at all levels of specificity. The prerequisite, as I described before, is an ability to write and spell in English. I am not in a mood to jump into an edit war with Crazypug over what I believe to be a formatting error in Leon Yehuda Recanati. I have to say that I am personally provoked to read your entreaty to "look over" Discount Investment Corporation. Aside from the superfluous list of holdings, it looks okay to me. The sudden interest by Cadeburner is peculiar, but not extraordinary. I am not a secretary from the steno pool at one of the family companies. Rhadow (talk) 19:30, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- I have fixed the formatting error at Leon Yehuda Recanati by reverting Crazypug's edits which overall have not been helpful. My question would be what is the relationship between Flamingoflorida and Crazypug because another new account opened around the same time editing these same family articles seems a bit too coincidental to me. Melcous (talk) 20:57, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Hello @Rhadow: I think you and I would find much in common could you agree to help me learn about Wikipedia and supervise my edit on my family articles please read my latest unblock request it relates to your section on sock puppets on your talk page I need help to fix this Flamingoflorida (talk) 21:54, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Block
[edit]Flamingoflorida (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I would like to be unblocked I will about how to edit and not use sock puppets and if rhadow is willing to help me learn about Wikipedia I would be grateful if the whole process of my family articles I didn’t learn about editing can I pleases have a chance to learn and contribute to this wonderful site I hope I can contribute much positive to make up for my messFlamingoflorida (talk) 18:35, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Considering a few hours ago there was an ANI report about your continued socking, I am not sure if you understand the reasoning for your block. If you truly DO want to work on the site, and edit on other things than your family or subject you have a conflict of interest with, I would say walk away from Wikipedia for 6 months minimum. No socking, no IP editing, none of that. This is our standard offer, and if you abide by this, an unblock in the future would be better considered. As it stands now, I do not feel an unblock is in the best interest of Wikipedia. RickinBaltimore (talk) 21:03, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
<post ec unblock request concerns apart from socking> Hate to be the bearer of ill tidings, but there are at least a couple of concerns. Firstly, I would not unblock you unless you affirmed that you would not edit pages related to relatives. You had some concerns about accuracy. Wikipedia, as an encyclopedia, relies on reliable sources unconnected with the subjects. Please see WP:RS. We cannot verify information that is personal knowledge. Please see WP:V. You might suggest changes on the article talk page(s). For information that is seriously inappropriate, negative unsourced or poorly sourced content, please see WP:BLP. Secondly, and I don't mean to be offensive, I am concerned about whether your command of English is sufficient to edit an encyclopedia. There are a number of concerns raised above about that, and in this very unblock request, I feel you are struggling with the language. Please address these concerns before making another unblock request, preferably after six months of not editing or using sock puppets. Thanks -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 21:14, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
PS. I have posted to the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard asking the folks there to look into your concerns. Hope this helps. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 21:20, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Flamingoflorida (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
my command is English is native and I am extremely articulate. I do not want any personal knowledge on those articles. I find your conflict of interest guidelines flawed . To start with the idea the neutral persons understand the intricacies of family connections that there are no public sources for better then a family member is ludicrous and instead of watching over family members edit and make sure they comply. you tell them not to edit that is why I needed sock puppets I had no desire to do sock puppets. i want to edit my family pages completely transparently and have everything I write on those pages checked and made sure I was 100 percent correct with the source and information. Those pages where created without any family output and was full of inaccuracies and biased material. These people are living or have living direct relatives every word matters while a article on a living such as a famous movie star who may have a 1000 articles written to use as sources means that the average will be more less correct but if the people with less then 20 articles like my family need a family member who can fix it. I am not doing this for monetary or promotional gain the family would prefer no articles at all as we are private people. I would like to ask to be unblocked for the reason of if this was your entire family and people created these articles and change them daily without your permission what would you do. would you wait for months leaving falsehood and lies on there or would you do anything to fix it every time a family member gets googled those articles pop up. I want to transparent and edit my family articles with supervision and oversight with anything I can’t prove be removed . I also find Wikipedia wonderful and want to learn how to edit non family articles. I was sloppy before that is no excuse. I am a extremely honest person the last thing I would ever do would create sock puppets unless I felt I had no choice. Please give me a honest way to work. The articles can change many times a day I need to fix them . If I was unblocked I would make sure each edit I did was sourced proven and as neutral as possible and I will disclose my coi for those articles. Blocking and sock puppet is a childish game I want to respectfully deal with the problems of these articles openly and honestly Flamingoflorida (talk) 21:49, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Procedural decline as talk page access has been revoked. This request has been seen and reviewed by a number of uninvolved administrators already. Using socking as form of threat will likely lead to indefinite site ban soon. Alex Shih (talk) 09:01, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
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- "my command is English is native and I am extremely articulate."
- Flamingoflorida, all sentences in English begin with a capital letter. Sentences with two independent clauses have a comma before the coordinating conjunction. The oblique reference to Gertrude Stein, "a rose is a rose is a rose", doesn't work for me. If it wasn't a reference to Stein, then it was sloppy work, as was the rest of the paragraph.
- Wikipedia is a crowdsourced effort. It is full of errors. Slowly, eventually, they get corrected. If you can't get on board with that, this is not the place for you. You were offered a deal: stay away from the English language Wikipedia for six months. If you do, they will probably let you back in. If someone discovers that Crazypug is another alter-ego, they will ban you for life and make it impossible for IP editors to work from any Starbucks or public library you've ever visited. Rhadow (talk) 22:26, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
That was a typo as you have googled me you saw I have done museum shows that requires a command of English. I know about capital letters Flamingoflorida (talk) 22:30, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Also this whole process has made me anxious and has caused me to be misspell and make errors would you care to communicate my voice to hear my command and vocabulary and grammar it will dispell all your reservations Flamingoflorida (talk) 22:34, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Revert
[edit]Alex Those reverts you did was not helpful they where links to other articles a link to the school and adding a person notable enough to have an article to the list and fixing grammar as you say it is a community edit it isn’t it is a petty place that reverts to false information this is a travesty as you have put false information of my family on the web for the world to see I may use sock puppets but I need correct information on the web about my family
January 2018
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No remorse for socking, indeed tries to justify it. Enough. You can use WP:UTRS for your unblock requests. --NeilN talk to me 03:49, 4 January 2018 (UTC)