User talk:Film Fanatical10069/Archive 1

Archive 1

Questions

Does anyone know how to take the visual editing block off of my page or is it a seeting? (It is greyed out) Should I ask in the teahouse? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Film Fanatical10069 (talk • contribs) 01:42, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Facebook and Twitter are not reliable sources. --SVTCobra 03:02, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you @SVTCobra. I just pasted in in the cite needed. I am assuming it auto pulled it from some sort of tagging on that URL.

Then you go back manually and delete the social tags? Or is there a better way to do this? Film_Fanatical10069^t@lk 14:35, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

And edit is not how to cite a source, but look at my follow-up. --SVTCobra 03:28, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

And it was already in the list of citations. So I had to fix again. --SVTCobra 03:44, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

I am confused by this. How do I add the cite without editing?

I do see how your edit is much cleaner. Film_Fanatical10069^t@lk 14:41, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Also, is it only one citation per article? If so, let's say there are two parts of the article that use the same citation. It goes on the first one? (I am assuming)

Thanks again for your help. Wanting to get back into this. Been backed up. Film_Fanatical10069^t@lk 14:44, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

If the source is already used as a citation in a different part of the article, it is not necessary to do the full {{cite web}} annotation. With any luck, the previous use was set up with a "ref name". Then all you have to do is use <ref name=Sample/> when citing it again. If the previous use of the source did not have a name defined, it is easy to define the name at the first use of the citation.
Here's a short article, OScar (Danish automobile), where I used this. If you look at the bottom, "References", you can see how it puts "a", "b", "c", etc. for each time a source is cited. Hope that helps. Cheers, --SVTCobra 16:24, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you @Toddy1 for the fix. Not sure how that happened. Am I ok with deleting all of that history off my talk page, is that best practice for that or does it not really matter. I just did not want to see it anymore. Film_Fanatical10069^t@lk 14:53, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

You can delete it if you want. I use an archiving bot. If you look at my talk page you can see how it is done.-- Toddy1 (talk) 15:13, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

That seems interesting. How do I implement that bot? Film_Fanatical10069^t@lk 15:16, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

I have put an implementation on your page. Feel free to alter it. There is nothing wrong with manually archiving stuff.-- Toddy1 (talk) 15:29, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Edit Ideas

Take the Night 2022 @Toddy1 & @SVTCobra I noticed this movie is releasing in theaters and does not have a page. Do you think this would be a good thing to sandbox? I would rather play everything safe. I am just looking for articles to edit, and it's a challenge finding stuff. Any other ideas or suggestions? Not married to anything. There is also a Don Simpson book I am looking to use for that article. Tons of fascinating bits.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Film Fanatical10069 (talk • contribs) 15:14, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

You did not state the film in question, so I cannot say. In any case, I prefer old films. I once went to see The Wedding March, and Fay Wray was in the audience - then a little old lady, but in the film: 19-20 years old.

In my opinion, one of the things you should want to do is to develop skills. One of the things I sometimes do is to fix some of the problems with citations in articles - like this. It involves looking at the URLs - if they are dead links, using archive.org to provide archive URLs, trying to give the authors of newspaper articles cited, wikilinks to the newspapers cited, dates of articles, that sort of thing. It is also useful to replace reference names like "auto4" with meaningful names. It is just an idea.-- Toddy1 (talk) 15:26, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Sounds good. I will stick with that. I agree, I need to develop skills. I will add citations for a while, until I get the hang of it. Film_Fanatical10069^t@lk 15:30, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

You are a wizard. How did you do that page so quickly? That would take me a year. Film_Fanatical10069^t@lk 15:35, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

With practice you will develop the skills.-- Toddy1 (talk) 16:11, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

@Toddy1 I think this is exactly what I would like to do. Thank you for adding the bot as well. I don't even see where the edit is. I have tons to learn. How did you fix that so quickly? What is the easiest way to find "auto4" errors? Do I go to edit then search? Or you can see them on the page? Film_Fanatical10069^t@lk 16:49, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

I found this one...[1]

Then I added this[2]

like this

Is this correct? Film_Fanatical10069^t@lk 16:54, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

I see it did not leave the signature. Thank you @toddy1. Film_Fanatical10069^t@lk 15:27, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Regarding Take the Night (2022), I am not familiar enough with WP:NF to say whether it merits an article, but you can certainly sandbox it. On the surface, though, it doesn't look like the filmmakers or actors have been deemed notable in the past, so it's probably 'iffy'. As far as the Fay Wray citation (as it is a dead link), <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/participant.jsp?spid=209593|title=Biography for Fay Wray|publisher=[[Turner Classic Movies]]|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20110305184552/http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/participant.jsp?spid=209593|url-status=dead|archive-date=5 March 2011|access-date=4 July 2022</ref> is probably the way to cite this. But before you do that, you should look at the live TCM page Fay Wray to check if contains the information you were adding to the article. It probably doesn't, as it is quite a bit shorter. Cheers, --SVTCobra 17:47, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Oh, and if you want to use it more than once, you can define it with a name, like this: <ref name=TCM-FW>{{cite web|url=http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/participant.jsp?spid=209593|title=Biography for Fay Wray|publisher=[[Turner Classic Movies]]|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20110305184552/http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/participant.jsp?spid=209593|url-status=dead|archive-date=5 March 2011|access-date=4 July 2022</ref>. This way on later uses, it is easier by just putting <ref name=TCM-FW/>. Cheers, --SVTCobra 17:52, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. Regarding Take the Night (2022), I think I am going to pass. Looking at WP:NF, there is not much info about the movie in the press either. I am going to stick with cleaning up citations for a while. I think this will keep me busy for a while. Thank you for breakdown with this as well. Film_Fanatical10069^t@lk 23:33, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

@SVTCobra Thanks for the italics on Romancing the Stone. Can I ask for advice on finding a good place to edit more or how to get into a groove? I find myself searching for long periods of time and then just end up making minor minor changes. I don't feel like I am really adding. Maybe Barnstars? Looking at new articles? Going through older articles? Still going to work on Don Simpson, but other then that, I feel like I am just wondering around. Film_Fanatical10069^t@lk 14:49, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Have you checked out Wikipedia:WikiProject Film? SVTCobra 15:11, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Will do. Thanks Film_Fanatical10069^t@lk 13:07, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

I see you have already joined the overall project. Did you see the various task forces they have? They also have sub-projects by genre and country. I don't know how else to keep you motivated. I read lots of film/televison articles on Wikipedia as a user, not an editor. I only edit when I notice obvious errors. So, I am afraid I can't help you much more in this field. If fact, I don't have any specialty. Wikipedia is not my home wiki. Cheers, SVTCobra 01:24, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I actually didn't find anything in the Film project, but also I haven't spent too much time in there yet.

I did start working on the Don Simpson article today and it was extremely enjoyable. I am surprised how much content is missing from that page. I will get it to where it's rough outline in the sandbox, then transfer it over and start doing it live in the article. I think I will stay on that article for a while, I really enjoyed it today.

By the way. What was the weird talk page post today? I saw you and @toddy1 posted as well. Do bots like that happen often? Probably better to stay out of the drama, I was just curious. Film_Fanatical10069^t@lk 01:50, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

That was weird, indeed. I think it was a banned user lashing out, post-ban, by putting a bunch of "retired" tags on talk pages. While you and I, and a few other connected users were among them, there were other users users I have never seen before. I don't know what the common thread was. But vandals are abundant as are trolls. SVTCobra 02:01, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Good to know. Thanks again for you help. Film_Fanatical10069^t@lk 02:05, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

I know you want to work on Don Simpson but be careful about making an entirely new article in your sandbox and then suddenly overwriting the existing article. I have never done anything like that, but if you think it needs a re-write, I would begin by telling the Talk:Don Simpson page that you are working on a re-write. Give them the link to whatever sandbox it is in and invite input. If you replace a long-standing article with an entirely new version in a single edit, I suspect there will be some backlash and/or reverts. Cheers, SVTCobra 02:10, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks. That does bring up a good point, I did not see it from that perspective. I was not going to do an entire rewrite in the beginning, but it will be that way by the time I am done. I will post in the talk page and also stay in the live article. Film_Fanatical10069^t@lk 12:45, 22 July 2022 (UTC)