User talk:Fedfan1984

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Guideline tennis charts

Some of the charts you are changing have been approved by Tennis Project Guidelines, and the formatting should not be changed without discussion and consensus. You can find most of the approved charts and items at Wikipedia:WikiProject Tennis/Article guidelines. I hope that helps. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:48, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Fyunck,

Thanks very much! I'm new to this, as you can tell.

A few thoughts:

1. I feel strongly that the Masters 1000 section should come BEFORE the year-end championships section in performance timeline charts. As the ATP Finals comes at the end of the year, this change allows the reader to get a better sense of the chronological progression of a given player's year. (By that logic you might also say the Majors and Masters 1000 should be sprinkled together in the same chart, but the Majors have such importance that they merit their own section at the top.) I'm guessing the reason for the current convention of placing the ATP Finals above the Masters 1000's is the higher # of potential ranking points associated with the tour finals, but I consider them to be on roughly the same level of importance and therefore I believe chronology should dictate order of presentation.

2. Even apart from item #1, the order of Grand Slams–Masters 1000–tour finals–national representation is not consistent across players' pages. For instance, you'll notice that on Federer's and Murray's pages the order currently is Grand Slams–tour finals–Masters 1000–national representation, whereas on Nadal's and Djokovic's pages the order is Grand Slams–tour finals–national representation–Masters 1000. Clearly this order should be consistent across different players' pages. (I'm not sure I have the time or the appetite to make conforming changes across literally every player's career statistics page, but for the most important modern players I'd be happy to do the work.)

3. Thank you for keeping my edit of moving the Madrid row above the Rome row on Federer's page – the previous ordering was confusing and inconsistent.

4. As for the other edits I made yesterday and you reverted, they were minor edits related to formatting, titles, and general consistency of presentation across Federer's, Nadal's, and Djokovic's career statistics pages. They were not absolutely critical but I do believe they slightly improved the consistency and aesthetics of presentation across these three great players' pages – I'd appreciate it if you'd give them a second look!

I'm guessing you may tell me I need to post these comments on some sort of forum page for discussion and generating consensus. If that's the case, I'd appreciate your showing me where I can do that as I'm obviously brand-new to editing Wikipedia articles. Thank you again very much!

Fedfan1984 (talk) 14:50, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]