User talk:Fedayee/Archive 2

Feedback/opinions needed on Bibliography for Hrant Dink

Hi, would you mind giving me your opinion regarding this? Thx! --Free smyrnan 13:23, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Dates

Hi. In a recent edit to Andranik Margaryan you gave the edit summary "Wikipedia uses month and day not day, month". Actually, we use both! The reason we wikilink dates is because users can change how dates are displayed in their preferences. For example, I prefer European style dating (26 March) so I have my preferences set to use this dating style. Just thought you might like to know! Natalie 17:33, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it's pretty cool. So if you come across dates (month and day) that aren't wikified, wikify them so the preferences will work. Natalie 18:16, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Armenian resistance

I forgot to take off the caps on it heh. Artaxiad 03:15, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks :-) Artaxiad 03:17, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Yep, thanks. Artaxiad 03:21, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Depends probably, maybe I'll visit Armenia and Turkey first, monitor the Karabakh lines do reports, but if a war starts hayastan hamer kiruv ka anem. Artaxiad 19:21, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah but I don't see a point in school since if I go to panag I have a 85% death rate, all that knowledge is gone. Artaxiad 19:29, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On March 30, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Eynulla Fatullayev, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks Fedayee Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:33, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

sebinkarahisar

I have no problem with the battle or resistance, call it whatever you want. But when you say it happened during an "AG campaign" (in my words), it's really really stretching it. It was a battle in every sense of the word, and every battle has a loser. I mean, even you say they were holed up, armed, and burned the village down before anyone even did anything to them. So how is this a AG incident I have no idea -if anything - they would have been arrested today in the United States even. Do you have any non-Armenian sources by the way? I think you need to stick to one of the compromises made by other editors. --Oguz1 19:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not arguing whether or not "AG" timeperiod encompassed this event's timeline. A thousand other events happened between 1915-1917 such as Russian invasion Trabzon aided by 30,000 Armenian volunteers of Russian Army, the Armenian Army, the 10,000 strong Armenian French Foreign Legion fighting as regular forces, ARF/Hunchak/Dashnak and other "political" partis conductiong various operations against the Ottoman Empire, the Gulbenkian (mr. 5 percent) swindle, and other various uprisings. You can not blame every single thing on the Ottomans - it's impossible by laws of chance alone. These are all different events within the same timeline, some seemingly unrelated in organization - but with the same goal and instigated by Armenians and for the sole purpose of obtaining an independent Armenian state from Ottoman lands. For you to say the Sebin "resistance" - which actually was an insurgent terrorist operation - was part of a defensive effort by armed and non-local Armenians, is an insult to anyone in history who actually did defend themselves from occupation and annihilation. Bottom line is, you can not blame this event on anybody but the Armenians who burned down a village that was mostly Turkish. If anything, this was a criminal and terrorist operation by armed militants, that required a response by law, even today, even in America, even in Armenia would require the same or even deadlier response from the governmen. --Oguz1 13:26, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not rejecting or accepting genocide in itself - so don't accuse people of being denialists, after you call them murderers. The term "Armenian genocide" did not even exist untill after the 1960s, so it's impossible for you to conclude that any resistance was in response to "genocide". The people at the time did not even classify it that way, how could they even possibly fathom the thougt - and where and why did they get their arms from when arms were outlawed for all civilians? If they had known it was "genocide", they would surely have left many many years ago, and all the nations in the world have would have recognized it as suc many many years ago. SBy your logic, majority of the world is denialist as well. So, you are falsely accusing me of denying an event which in itself has not been proven nor disproven, nor does any Armeian body would like to go to court for it. So, how can I inject POV when there is not one single court in the entire World that has classified the events as one way or another, except the self-examining Turkish ones have said some people were extreme? History speaks for itslef, and that makes your entry POV because you are quoting things from a book that are ot in the book - nor ever occured in history -specifially classifications of genocide of every Armenian death on almost every Turkish city page. Also, I try very hard to remain objective because your ancestors are also partly my ancestors and nobody is ever 100% something, ever. that includes innocence. Before you accuse me of genocide, and so conveniently the "denial of genocide", please examine your own roots carefully. As far as second class citizenship for Armenians - that's a lotta horsecrap and you know it - take for example the first President of the Democratic Republic of Armenia - his father was the governor of Egypt representing Ottoman interests. Mr FICE PERCENT Gulbenkian - the richest man of the 20th century and possibly ever - was an Ottoman Armenian official who was assigned by the Ottoman Emperor to represent Ottoman interests but sold out to the Brits and French and financed ASAL and other terrorist organizations. Why? Greed. It is true now as it was then.

1. I said Gulbenkian supported orgs LIKE ASALA 2. I said the word "Armenian geocide" did not exist till 60s, it was called Armenan massacres for 90 years. 3. The "big" countries passing genocide laws are the very ones that were fighting the Ottoman empire and supporting Armenians - of course they are going to pass laws (French-Armenian legion for god sakes!!!). 4. German witnesses never said it was "genocide", "massacre" they may have. 5. EVERYBODy in the Ottoman empire was 2nd class, in fact everybody the Sultan was considered "slave", not in the terms used by the West but Sultan's Kole" as in his servants. Nobody had freedom or democracy it was an empire, and by nature Empires are opperisve. Most empires, inlusding roman, greek, british, dutch are even worse - they actually enslaved and "bred out" other races...let's not go there. 6. When saying Turks committed "genocide" that means you are calling Turks murderers...I'm not sure how else that can be interpreted. 7. Where are the all the cities with deaths? I think they would have started with the Armenian Patriarch and Istanbul - but instead the sultan himslef sent people like Gulbenkian on tours of duty, had Armenian Governors, businessmen, Robert College, Near East Relief Orgs working ou tin the open, that's seems a bit ODD to say the very least. 8. If it's such a FACT and everybody knows this, I would not sit here and argue with you. I am not the only person who has questions and reservations about the subject - some things obviously do not add up. It's natural for me (or anyone) to question things. that doesnot mean I am accepting or rejecting things, I'm looking at the facts. 9. Before you (and I) go off on another tangent, explain to me the subject matter of karahisar -how do you conside a month of fighting by armed people who belong to an organization that wants to create an Armenian land form Ottoman lands a "genocide". If you recall WACO and David Karesh, those people posed a threat to the security of a nation and were dealt with albeit poorly but they were surrounded by US forces, and things went very wrong - for something as simple as trading arms. These people openely said they wanted to secede and were Armed and supported by the enemy. Now I dont care what your logic is becasue there's only one logic and thats 2+2=4, the rest is theory and conjecture. Armed, uprisign, burning towns, supporting the enemy, openly saying seccesion, attacking supply lines...that only adds to one thing, and it sure isnt some poor schmuck who got unwittingly burned. --Oguz1 18:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

lol

Barev Fedayee jan vonts es ape. Messegt tesa lol amen ankam drank irar het em kharnum u chem jokum vor sxal em grel. Mersi vor asetsir. ROOB323 19:30, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Joining WikiProject Lebanon

Thanks for inviting me to join WikiProject Lebanon. I am new so I am not sure how to do it. Can you send me instructions? Thanks!!!!

Re:

Yep, also we are all champions and no losses ;-) amazing huh for example vanes, artur and vic. Artaxiad 03:28, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Same to you! Best, Aivazovsky 18:33, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Happy Easter

Thanks Fedayee same to you. Քրիստոս հարյավ ի մերելոց. ROOB323 19:50, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan

The arbitration case involving you has closed. The Arbitration Committee has placed you on standard revert parole for a year. This means that you may revert only once per article per week except to revert obvious vandalism. Furthermore, you must explain your reasonings for content reverts on the associated talk page.

You may review the full decision at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan.

For the Arbitration Committee, - Penwhale | ^{Blast him / Follow his steps} 01:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Blocked

A report was made about reverting on March Days at WP:AE.

Analysis

• April 11 Grandmaster removes section about muslim allegience [1], Fedayee re-adds [2]
• April 12 Atabek makes a substantial rewrite [3], Fedayee reverts most of it [4]

Response I'm going to block for 24 hours. There seems to be some improvement in that the parties are discussing the issues on the talk page, but I feel I need to block for 3 reasons. One, in the current environment changes should be discussed before reverting them, not after; two, I don't want to inadvertantly create an impression of selective enforcement, and three, without strong enforcement, the parties might begin to take additional liberties and the situation could rapidly deteriorate. Thatcher131 14:07, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Re:

Sh'norhakal em (yes, it's eastern, but if I go to Armenia, I have to understand what the people are saying). Anyway, thank you for your help and encouragement. User:Cool Cat seems intent on removing all images of the Armenian Genocide memorial at Tsitsernakaberd hill in Yerevan: [5] [6] [7] We must be strong enough to spread the word and let more people know about what happened. We also must keep vigil for Martyrs Day which is on Tuesday next week. Kenats't, my friend. Aivazovsky 20:00, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

ARF request for comment

Following advise of admin Thatcher131, I have created RfC page on ARF. You can put your short comments on talkpage, as per RfC guidance - see example [8]--Dacy69 19:57, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Armenian community of Dhaka

I guess the biggest help I was looking for, beside the structure and other stuff, was a hand in developing the history section. My lack of understanding of the Armenian Diaspora and lack of stuff on the Diaspora here at Wikipedia is not helping much. I am particularly weary of the early history part. The part that deals exclusively with Dhaka, may be I can handle. And, hey, should the article be titled Armenian Diaspora of Dhaka? I have know clue. Aditya Kabir 11:53, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Ohio

What wonderful news! I actually expected it for awhile. That's 40 down, 10 more to go. -- Aivazovsky 14:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

• Many thanks for quick improvement and saving of Rosy Armen article. That's what I call patriotism! :)Armatura 16:32, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Ice Hockey Project discussion of hockey player notability and project scope

Please come join the WikiProject Ice Hockey Notability standards for hockey players discussion. I'd like to see input from all our project members who have an opinion. Thanks! ColtsScore 00:19, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Hovhannes

Hi, Fedayee! I left the "See also" in Hovhannes pointing to the redirect Hovhaness for to possibility that, in the future, Hovhaness because its own list of people with that surname (or other disambiguation-like information). I don't object to the change, but that's the reason it wasn't like that to begin with. -- JHunterJ 12:19, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:Djtiesto.jpg

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Van Resistance

Hi,

I may need help defending the Van resistance article. Hope you can look at it. Hetoum I 04:48, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey

		Armenian Barnstar of National Merit
		Բարե՛ւ, Ֆէտայի: Այս "պառնսթար"ով (ն-էն առաջ ռ կու քայ հէհէհէ) քեզ կը մաղթեմ բարի տարեդարց մը, եւ երկար ու բարգավաճ տարիներ քեզ եւ քու սիրելիներուդ: It has already been approximately one year since you took your very first steps here in Wikipedia. Your relentless contributions to Armenian-related articles (especially those related to the յեղափոխութիւն remind me of what FEDAYEEs truly are; ապրի՛ս: Շարունակէ՛ այս արդար ինքնապաշտպանութիւնն ու արշավանքը դէպի ՅԱՂԹԱՆԱԿ: Մեր պայքարը ԱԶԱՏՈՒԹԵԱՆ, ԱՐԴԱՐՈՒԹԵԱՆ ՈՒ ՃՇՄԱՐՏՈՒԹԵԱՆ ՊԱՅՔԱՐՆ Է: Հայաստանն ու Արցախը ՄԻԱՅՆ մերն է :)

Շնորհավոր --VartanM 01:18, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of Armenian national heroes

I've nominated List of Armenian national heroes, an article you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but in this particular case I do not feel that List of Armenian national heroes satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion; I have explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Armenian national heroes and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of List of Armenian national heroes during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. - Richfife 03:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Armenian Text

Բարեվ Բարոն ՖԵԴԱՅԻ! Look you please the: hu:User:Roland von Bagratuni/Homokozó/Örményország uralkodói – in the Armenian text be a error? – Very Than You! --[[User:Roland von Bagratuni|Roland von Bagratuni-մեծ իշխան Ռոլանդ ֆօն Բագրատունի Անիեցի [[Image:Ankh.svg|8px]] ^{[[User discussion:Roland von Bagratuni|ԿԵՑՑԵ ՄԵԾ ՀԱՅՈՑ ԱՐԿԱՅՈՒԹՅՈՒՆ]]}]] 16:17, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

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Barevner

Barevner

Shnorakalutyun em haytnum Wikipediyayum dzer ognutyunneri hamar. Zavog srtov shat Hay ckan Wikipediyayum bayz yes dzezaniz xndrum em vor nayev Haykakan Wikipediyayum zuyz tak dzer ognutyunner@.

--AOnline 18:21, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

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ArbCom

Considering some of your revert warring at Varoujan Garabedian and ASALA in particular, as well as rvs at Nagorno-Karabakh War and other Azerbaijan and Armenia related pages, I think your participation in new ArbCom would be quite relevant. So I have added you to the list of participants. This shall serve as your notice [9]. Atabek 23:53, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, posted on wrong page earlier. Bad faith edits: [10], [11], [12], [13], [14]. You have been joining User:VartanM for revert conflicts occasionally after ArbCom. If you think you're innocent, ArbCom will clear that and you don't need to worry. I am in this case also against my will, but I believe once there is a broader case on the topic, behavior of all concerned parties shall be discussed and decisions shall be made. Thanks. Atabek 00:29, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Please, provide a link to Wikipedia rule which says the word occupy is POV. When practically all international organizations and countries recognize "occupy", and only one does not, using "control" instead of "occupy" is POV by itself. Neither WP:WTA nor WP:NPOV have reference to not use this word. As I said, if you believe you're innocent, you can just ignore the ArbCom addition and not even write a statement. But you should not be removing your name from the list of nominations. Atabek 00:49, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, I asked you for reference to Wikipedia rule that prohibits using the word "occupy", when there are very legimitate references. Check this [15], these are UN resolutions with word "occupy" written all over them. So "capture" is comporomise according to who? When every member of United Nations, represented by 5 members of UNSC, says it's "occupy" and only one state claims "control" or says nothing, what do you think the compromise would be? Atabek 00:59, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Would you be so kind to provide the link to the location where that "compromise between Armenia and Azerbaijan editors on using word capture instead of occupy" was reached. I don't think I participated there, but given world community's opinion that it's occupied and only Armenia claiming it's "liberated" (I shall also add that was done so by ethnic cleansing and deportation of some 800,000 people), I doubt there is any ground for compromise on this subject, we should use internationally recognized legal definition. Anyways, these are exactly things why we have ArbCom, where it's all supposed to get ironed out. Thanks. Atabek 01:18, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Agos English On-line Edition available

Hello! Agos weekly has recently become available on-line in English at Agos-English and subscriptions are available here: Agos subscription. They could use the support and I think it might be of interest to you and other Armenians who may wish to read Hrant Dink's newspaper. I would appreciate it if you could pass the word along to those that might be interested. Regards, Free smyrnan 02:01, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, - Penwhale | ^{Blast him / Follow his steps} 16:45, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

They reverted your edits in Armenians

Can you revert back to your edits of the first part where it says:

Although it is widely accepted that they have populated Eastern Anatolia for over four thousand years, some theories suggest that the Armenians appeared in this region as late as the eight century BC.

They removing this again, which was there for over a year. Astamyst 00:42, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Nagorno-Karabakh War

I will need to see some real sources citing Afghans as major combatants in the conflict for it to be included in the article. To say that a limited number of Afghan volunteers/mercenaries participated in the war is unto itself speculative and questionable. Should not Russia be included as a combatant on the side of Armenia in the article as well, by this line of reasoning? What of Turkey? You see, it is important to keep the article as objective as possible. Padishah5000 08:00, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi :-)

Hello, i`m Jusmine from Israel. are you Lebanese Armenian? Jusmine 16:01, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Fascist

You are a fascist.You are anti-Türk.Sevres dead on 30 August 1922. --Kızıl Şaman 22:36, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Somebody messed up our History_of_Armenia page

Can you revert it back to what it was for months? It was what User:Davo88 had put. They removed even about Haik that Davo had put in the front paragraphs, and our proto-Armenain tribes Armens and Hayasa. Thanks. 76.237.10.157 17:25, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my userpage, Շատ շնորհակալ եմ: VartanM 16:38, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey Fedayee, I think its the same guy who was vandalizing my page. I got mine semi-protected, if he continues you should get yours protected as well. BTW I stole the vandalism counter idea from your page. Thats genius. VartanM 02:00, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Evidence section

Parishan’s comparison with Eskimos does not hold water, those people were identified ethnic group reported the days those Europeans set foot in the north. Parishan is leaving out my second comment on the identification of a homogenous identity and preferring to concentrate on the name. Also, Parishan claims that those regions were under Ottoman dominion only for a few decades…that’s wrong! Kars fell under Ottoman dominion up until the 1877 which was lost then regained after WWI. Those Turkic populations identified themselves as Muslim Turks of the Ottoman Empire. I don't know where Parishan got his only decades. As for Igdir, its Turkic population was first mostly Turkmen, the place was in the middle of centuries of wars between Persia and the Ottoman Empire, the Turkic people there supported the Ottoman Empire and felt Ottoman Turkish. Where is this identified people who did not change? What about Mount Ararat? Even when under the Safavid rule, Mount Ararat area was vacated under Shah Abbas only to be repopulated later by Armenians and Kurds. Where are those defined and identified Azerbaijanis, when its Turkic population later identified itself with Turks? No matter their names? The Russians started to call them Tartars, also Tatars, but even under this qualification, the term Tartar remained and also identified people who currently do not identify themselves as Azerbaijani. In fact, the Turkmen have been identified much before the Azerbaijani people; this should not be confused with the Azarbaijani south of Arax who did start to have some national consciousness under an identified group. The Northern Azerbaijani have been composed significantly from various Turkic elements which were not identifying themselves as a homogenous ethnic group unlike the Eskimo's or the Persian Azerbaijani's (South of Arax). On Sevan, Parishan claims those people did not change (alluding to the Azeris), well, the Turkic elements of Lake Sevan were heterogeneous people. Only when Russia was laying claim against Persia had it itself coined the Azerbaijani Tartars to merge it with Persian Azerbaijan province. The Turkmen and several other Turkic elements have just as much legitimate claim of having places written in their dialects.

In fact, most of the Turkic names from places fell under Turkic rules from the first era of Safavid either, or Ottoman Empire and this is long before there was a defined identity and this no serious scholar even debates about. Some others are merging of Turkish and Persian words like Karabakh. (Kara-Bagh) So still the analogy with the Phrygians perfectly sticks.

Sayat Nova is an Armenian composer, the Azeri name is not an Azeri name it is a transliteration of Sayat Nova. It's just ridiculous that Parishan will even still debate and justify it.

On Jerusalem, I have not said that some could be debated, I have said that the Russian term could be debated, but I also added that given the Russian language has been for long associated with Christian Orthodoxy, and could therefore be justified. This was the only thing which I said debated but finally ends it by saying that it is justified. Persian, Urdu and Hindi names ARE justified. Bayt al-Maqdis Arabic name is used by the Urdu and Hindis and Persian from the variant of the old Arabic term and has been used for a very long period. IT is how it is also called in some historic Turkish materials influence from the Persian era (starting from the first millennium). Those names have been added, again I repeat, for a reason and Parishan still continuously justifies the unjustifiable for the Azeri transliteration.

Kochari is not a native Azerbaijani dance, it was imported in Azerbaijan, it is from the Artvin region of Pontos (Black Sea), the Pontus Greeks, the Armenians and Turks from the region also Kurds had that dance. Parishan direct my accusation of OR of his claim that the Azeri term is the most exact against. Here Parishan in his last reply merely says that since the article claims it originates from Kars and that in Kars there were Azeri elements then the Azeri term is justified. The claim on Kars and Azerbaijani elements has been addressed. First the dance was from Artvin a little north of Kars with direct access to the Black Sea, the Ottoman delimitations were different than current this is why under the current Turkish administrative regions makes this as if both were that much different.

Sona, I must have missed his English Azerbaijani dictionary quote, but I have seen nothing such being presented as evidence. - Fedayee 23:51, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello Fedayee

Hey Fedayee whats up, thanks for welcoming me back. Just wanted to drop by and do some editing, but still don't want to get involved heavly in the Azeri-Armenian articles. It's good to see that you are still contributing in wikipedia, keep up the good work. ROOB323 23:54, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey Fedayee, I just noticed that in both of our userpages there is a link to Espanol Wikiproject Armenia. Any idea how it got there? VartanM 04:10, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 Closed

The case in which you were involved in was closed. According to the records, you were placed on revert parole (now called revert limitations), and as such, you are affected by this remedy, which places you on supervised editing. You may be banned by any administrator from editing any or all articles which relate to the region of Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Iran and the ethnic and historical issues related to that area should you fail to maintain a reasonable degree of civility in your interactions with another editor concerning disputes which may arise.

You may view the full decision at the case page here.

For the Arbitration Committee,
- Penwhale | ^{Blast him / Follow his steps} 00:13, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your work!!

Dear Fedayee! Thank you for the wikification and grammar of Medzn Mourad! Good luck and shenorhagalootiun! Andranikpasha 06:22, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Kurów

Could you please write an article about Kurów on Western Armenian language here ( http://kurow-wiki.openhosting.pl/wiki/hy-wst:Քուռով ) – just a few sentences based on http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Kurów ? Only 3-5 sentences enough. Please.

PS. Article about Kurów is already on 219 languages and dialects. If your village/town/city isn't yet on PL Wikipedia, I can do article about it. (I'm first author of requests) Pietras1988 ^TALK 13:26, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Very thanks for your article on Western Armenian! Pietras1988 ^TALK 13:28, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Anthem of the Armenian SSR

Thank you very much for answering my question! I've now put the word in the Armenian lyrics, replacing the conspicuous English word "chorus". Now it looks just like it should, based on the precedent at the featured article National Anthem of Russia. Again, thank you very much! -- Keith Lehwald 18:01, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Regarding your comment

Also, regarding your comment at WP:AE [16]: "he compared the death of over a million, the successful destruction of the entire Armenian community in Western Armenia in its entirety, with a tragedy having happened in avillage."

• a) Not a single living Azeri/Turkish soul is left in Armenia or Armenia-occupied territories too; and this is what is happening even with house of God, just for being Muslim or Azeri [17].
• b) I don't mock the victims of massacres (either Armenian, Turkish or Azeri) by ever questioning the number of victims of the other side, neither I deny the massacres happened;
• c) Neither Genocide nor Massacre prescribe the number of people that needs to die. 600+ killed in Khojaly, 30,000 in the war (5,000 Armenians, 25,000 Azeris), close to 1.3 million (1 million Azeri and 350,000 Armenians) stripped off their homes with most Azeris still living in railcar camps is bad too.

I don't compare or judge which one is better or worse. Humans don't choose their identity upon birth nor are they different in face of God. Atabek 03:38, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

• 1. 200,000 remaining Azeris were expelled from Armenia in 1988, while Armenians left the remaining parts of Azerbaijan (mainly Baku) in January 1990.
• 2. "Armenians have preserved the mosque and Muslim cemetar" - by writing graffiti on mosque walls with curses in Russian like "Mnatsakan pedik", etc. and/or having cows in it? And you're comparing that to Armenian Church in Baku, which is a library in the downtown and preserved as a monument? 6 years ago, I have been in Istanbul, staying in Taksim. The first place you see walking out is Armenian church, open for service regularly. Can you maybe show one Azeri or Turk at a service in mosque in Yerevan?
• 3. Azerbaijani government's duty to its citizen is to return it his/her home, from which that citizen was expelled. Those homes are in Shusha, Lachin, Kelbajar, Askeran, Khojaly, etc. They're not in new housings that Azerbaijani government is going to build for refugees. Why should Azerbaijan only pay for aggression by the neighboring country, clearly violating all norms on international law.
• 4. Look at the pictures of Sumgait and Khojaly, you will understand which one was killing and which one was butchering. I don't see scalped victim children with pierced eyes in Sumgait images, nevertheless victims are victims regardless. Atabek 00:14, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Atabek, I can't help but notice how wrong you are. I will try to address your comments point by point.

• a) There ere are Azeris living in Armenia not a lot but few, the constitution of Armenia allows minorities not to disclose their nationality. I believe you edited the Azeris_in_Armenia.

• b) How are we going to write an encyclopedia articles if we don't question and check the facts. If its painful to you maybe it would be better if you didn't edit them.

• c) Maybe Azerbaijani government should stop spending the $1bln a year to build up its army and threaten Armenia with another war. And start taking care of its unfortunate citizens who are still living in rail cars after 15 years.

• 1 Azeris were expelled and Armenians just left? aren't you forgetting couple of massacres? Baku? how about Ganja/Kirovabad, Sumgait, Shahumyan, Nakhijevan.

• 2. I believe Fedayee was talking about Shushi not Agdam. The pictures you were showing are from Agdam a ghost city with a population of zero. Armenians intend to return Agdam to Azerbaijan. Agdam is right next to NK and Azerbaijan border and is a regular target practicing range for the Azeri snipers. Armenian church in Baku was not in a war zone. May I remind you about that Ghazanchetsots_Cathedral which was being used as a garage and a storage? Next time you visit Turkey take a trip to Ani (the city of thousand churches) and see how many churches you can find. There are a lot of Iranians who attend the Blue_Mosque,_Yerevan If you think Armenians are islamaphobes and hate Muslims you are wrong. Nay I remind you of Armenian communities of Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Egypt all of which are a the result of Armenian Genocide.

• 3 Nagorno Karabakh Republic is ready to welcome those who fled the war. It will only do so when Azerbaijan recognizes its independence. Azeris who return will be given NK citizenship. Are you forgetting the reason why NK wanted to be independent/reunited with Armenia? How was Azerbaijan treating its own Armenian citizens that they wanted to be independent? was Sumgait massacre according to international law? Armenia took care of and give housing to all of Armenians from Azerbaijan. Is it Armenias fault that Azeris are incapable of or are unwilling to take care of Azeris from Armenia? and are calling them with derogatory terms (YerAz).

• 4 Is that how you see us? That all Armenians are butchers and baby killers? Is this the reason for all the hostility towards us? Is this why you dragged us into 2 arbitrations? And I already see another one coming.

Was this a bait to use against Fedayee in AE? Mine is still open you can use it in mine. Assume good faith Atabek! --VartanM 05:22, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Fedayee, I lived in Baku in late 1980s, some my school classmates were Armenians. No one was killing or raping (as you claim) them on the streets, this is WP:SOAP, which you can't even reference. It was Soviet Union, and Baku was the 5th largest city in USSR with largely cosmopolitan population. Many Armenians were deported during the week of 13-20th of January 1990, and their houses were mostly taken by angry Azeri refugees from Armenia. Soviet central authorities did not interfere or control those for a week, until process was finished, after which on January 20th troops entered the city killing some 140 people, among which were innocent children and elders too. As opposed to you, I was a witness of all these. However, also unlike Azeris in Armenia, majority of Armenians in Baku also sold their houses prior to January 1990 and left for Russia and elsewhere. But before claiming that people were being killed or whatever in 1980s, why don't you get some evidence when you're talking. It's sad that those Armenians in Baku were victims of some zealots in Karabakh and abroad looking to make profit from war, as they did and still do. You're looking for source of the problem in "evil" Azeris, who killed 25 Armenians in Sumgait, while hundreds of thousands of them live in railcars. But the first victims of Karabakh conflict were not Armenians in Sumgait but 2 Azeris shot in Askeran clash. Armenians in Karabakh live in shacks or in burned ruins of Azeri houses, Azeris live in railcars, so who was the beneficiary? Those who passionately talk abroad about patriotism and blaming the other side? Azeris returning to Karabakh don't need citizenship, they're citizens of Azerbaijan and NK is still an internationally recognized part of Azerbaijan. Atabek 04:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Atabek, do you want to guess why Fedayees family is living in Canada? I lived in Yerevan during the 1980's and 1990's and a family from Azerbaijan was lived with us for 6 months until Armenian government provided them with housing. Azeris were living in Armenia and no one was killing or raping them either. As for being a witness, were you a witness of an earthquake? blockade? hunger? cold? electricity blackouts(sometimes for more then a week) 80% of trees being cut down for use of heating?

If you think that Armenians didn't suffer from this war, you're wrong. Evil Azeris? you were the one portraying Armenians as baby killers. Those 2 Azeris were just taking a walk and got shot? They were in a mob of thousands who attacked Armenian villagers!!! and wrecked destruction en route Did the 50 Armenians deserve their injuries. Were they guilty of anything? Atabek note the presence of police in Askeran clash. Who is most likely to carry a gun and shoot somebody? a police officer or an Armenian villager?

Armenians in Karabakh live in their own houses and had 15+ years to fix and renovate their houses. While Azeris still live in railcars, thanks to Azeri government that spends 1 billion dollars a year on its military and threatens Armenia with another war, but is unable to provide housing to its citizens. Complain to your own government. its not Armenias fault that your governments priorities are against the well being of its citizens.

Are you the official representative of Karabakh Azeris? What do you know of their needs? They clearly need homes and a normal life. If Azerbaijan was indeed thinking about them, it would have recognized the inevitable. That Armenia won the war and is willing to return some of the rayons in return for peace. The only people who will benefit from peace is Azeris of Karabakh. VartanM 05:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

VartanM, actually the so called "mob" in Askeran clash came after the news of killing two Azeris, and was stopped on the way by Khuraman Abbasova, the famous "kolxoz" director from Aghdam. But I guess, judging that 800,000 Azeris were ethnically cleansed from Karabakh and surrounding raions, including Abbasova's own Aghdam, she may have been wrong.

I never said Armenians didn't suffer, reread my posting above again. As I said, suffering Armenians in Baku mainly, became hostages of zealots in Karabakh and abroad (for example famous Agambegian article in foreign press), dreaming about new territorial order. And what kind of persecution in 1988 they talked about? Armenian in NK, inside AzSSR, was able to even receive education in Armenian at a university, while Azeri wasn't able to receive such education in Azeri in NKAO. There was television, radio, press and entire leadership of NKAO was mainly Armenian. What kind of persecution did they claim there was? And while they failed to achieve their objective in past 15 years, except putting people in Karabakh in plain misery comparing to where they were in 1987, the ordinary people in Azerbaijan and Armenia lost their homes.

I am not portraying Armenian nation as baby killers, stop making wrong generalizations. Khojaly massacre, if that's what you refer to, is a fact that there existed a group among those zealots whose objective was to eradicate Azeris and inflict fear. Why don't you read Melkonian's book as well as admission by Armenian president-to-be Serzh Sarkissian about psychological impact of Khojaly. And remember, removal of images, video links and/or questioning the facts of massacre, actually does more to associate Armenians in general with this crime rather than identifying and condemning a group of criminal babykillers (as you called them). Someone who pierces an eye of or scalpes a 2-3 year old child does not have nationality, he is simply not human.

Armenia didn't win war (wars are won when there is formal capitulation of the other side), but only the battle, and actually not on its own, but with help of Russian ammunition and weaponry supplies. Azerbaijan "won the war" the same way back in 1920. The result now after 15 years of "winning" is stagnation and isolation of Armenia and destruction of Karabakh. And the leader of separatists proudly exclaims that NK annual budget is $98 million, another one raises $10 million in California for 4 years now supposedly "to finish a 30-km stretch of the same highway", while the annual informal income of corrupt official in either Armenia or Azerbaijan is 5-fold that. And you tell me who won the war, an Armenian who lives in the shack among ruins of Shusha, Azeri from Shusha living in the railcar, or those who spend lavishly Armenian money in Monte Carlo gambling?

And yes, Azerbaijan, does have a right to spend money earned from its own natural resources to restore the right of its own citizens to return to their own homes on its own internationally-recognized territory. Until separatists and their supporters abroad understand that, there will be no peace but stagnation, skirmishes and misery. Atabek 08:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't see any reason in continuing this discussion and polluting Fedayees talkpage. We can argue for years over who is right and who is wrong. And I don't think wikipedia is the place for it. VartanM 16:14, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

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This user supports United Armenia and opposes Imperialism. I see a controversy here. How can you both oppose Imperialism and support Armenian territory being extended to cover most of the parts of Eastern Turkey and Western Azerbaijan? Don't you consider this as imperialism? I am perplexed! Wikiturk 15:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Those lands have been ruled by the Turks for centuries, except a very short lived Armenian state established by the Imperial (!) Powers right after the First World War, when Ottoman Empire was under occupation by 6 nations. Ok so you are saying that those areas are Armenian land. If Turkey cedes these areas to Armenia, then all countries should follow the same. Turks are in Anatolia since 1071. You are still claiming that Eastern Turkey is Armenian land. I guess, you are from Canada. So whole Canadians should move back to Europe and leave the territory to its rightful owners. Same goes for the whole American continent (North and South). How about Europe? Can you tell me what the map looked like in Europe at the time Turks conquered Eastern Anatolia (Armenian land as you quote)? Do you think Armenians claiming lands from Turkey will help both countries develop relations. Can't you see that the bigotry many Armenians pose is causing their country being sealed off from the rest of the world? Or let me put it in this way. You are a diaspora Armenian. You and other diaspora Armenians' views are not helping Armenians in Armenia. Do you think such a powerful state like Turkey will one day say "oh Armenians, sorry for ruling your former lands for 1000 years, here, take them back!". Armenians are not the only people who have lost part of their ancestral lands. Many nations did change territories and todays civilised world taught us to move forward. If Armenians want their country to develop and flourish, they should find ways to develop relations with Turkey. With such an attitude as you and others like you are not really helping for anything in anyway.

P.S.: The Eastern Anatolia has always been a Turkish soil for 1000 years. Armenian people living in the region were subjects of the Ottoman Empire. Just because Armenians lived in the region, doesn't make it Armenian soil at all.

I, myself, really want one day Turkey and Armenia establish diplomatic relations. I do not see Armenian state as my enemy. On contrary, I believe both countries could benefit from each other, of course without claiming lands from each other's soil. Wikiturk 22:55, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Treaty of Serves was dictated to the Ottoman Empire (It was not Turkey who signed the document, but Ottoman Empire. Both differ), because it had lost the WW1. The treaty was later declared null and void, and a new treaty was signed: Treaty of Laussane. So, any assumptions based on the Treaty of Serves is not valid, since such a document does not exist any more... Read the Treaty of Serves article one more time. I don't know how many more years should pass for some to realize this fact. I agree that this discussion is leading nowhere. We are just discussing, that's all. I agree that Turkey should not stick with Azerbaijan's Karabakh problem, and should normalise relations with Armenia. I guess, since there are many Armenians with the same mentality of yours, Turkey does not want to have a headache with these people. Armenians (not the government per se) should start changing their views about Turks. I am not referring to recognition of the Genocide. That's a different topic. I am talking about Armenians who still see Eastern Turkey as Western Armenia and who still believe that one day Turkey will suddenly dissolve Treaty of Laussane, and implement Serves, and cede Eastern Turkey to Armenia, Western Turkey to Greece, Southern Turkey to Italy, South Eastern Turkey to France and Bosphorus to the UK. Come on Fedayee, believing this is nonesense! Armenia with its current borders will benefit lot from Turkey. You diaspora people should see this too. Stop annoying Turkish people and find ways of how both nations can benefit economically and in other terms. I hope you have understood my concern. Wikiturk 12:06, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

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Armenian Genocide - Armeniapedia link being attacked

Folks, it seems the integrity of Armeniapedia as a valid source is under attack on the Armenian Genocide article. One Turk simply questioned it, and the very same day another user immediately removed it without any discussion. Now these 3 are preventing the reversion to add the link, which as I state there has possibly the largest collection of digital documents on the genocide. It's amazing to me, and I hope some of you are actually around to vouch for the site, as these folks don't seem to have actually even visited the site, or really care if it's of any value, instead asking irrelevant questions like, "what if there was a Turkopedia, would we include that??". Your input would be appreciated. --RaffiKojian 17:16, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Andranik Ozanian

Barev Fedayee! Thanks for your last corrections at Andranik Ozanian! Im completely agree with you! Also pls when you have time look at other addings, especially to the "Republic of Mountainous Armenia" part, which seems to contain uncorrect info (who is Adriatiki, Zangezur was a part of Armenian Republic in that time, etc...). Id like to revert it too. Andranikpasha 10:08, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

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Request reason:

Excuse me but I need to raise a few points here. Firstly, to clear up the Armenian RV, if it had checked carefully instead of being trigger happy, the article was edited by a banned user called user:Ararat arev, a master of puppets (no, not the song by Metallica :)). Maybe I should refrain myself from removing vandalism and/or banned user additions? About Tehcir Law RV; The Block was against the rational of the Arbcom remedee rv POV edits filled with grammar issues is more than enough to explain the revert of Anglepush who dumped the position of the majority in a section allegedly for controversial issues (revisionists, anyone?) for an article which is already a WP:FORK of the Armenian Genocide, one of which created by user:OttomanReference. As if not enough, the edit is filled with grammar issues. What more could be said in the talkpage than reverting POV edit filled with grammar issues? The POV tag is even on the article. Administrators who execute the Arbcom decision should show more judgement than following to the letter without consideration to the rational of the decision itself. Anglepush didn't once use the talkpage while making his changes and subsequent revert but rather did go on changing most of the article. At the very least the logical course of event would be to warn him rather than blocking someone who attempted to keep some order just to follow to the letter a decision regardless of its rational. Furthermore, it is hard for me to assume good faith when you don't even give me a warning on my talkpage that I could contest my block while you have given others [18]. Is my case uncontestable?

Decline reason:

Per Seraphimblade's response, I'm declining this request. It's only a 24-hour block, and it should serve as a warning to engage in discussion, given the arbcom ruling. Mangojuice^talk 14:34, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

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I will request input here from the blocking administrator. Newyorkbrad 01:20, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your request input NYbrad. Unfortunately, the block will be over by the time the blocking administrator even responds... - Fedayee 05:39, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you on Ararat, the edit at Armenian does appear to be him. I apologize, and agree that such reverts require no explanation. You may wish to note your belief that you are reverting a banned user in your edit summary, however, as mind-reading is rather difficult. However, to the other one, you are not reverting a banned user there, so such reverts require explanation on the talk page, not in the edit summary, for good reason—first, the edit summary provides a limited amount of space in which to respond, and secondly, it encourages the other editor to re-revert if they wish to respond to you! Even if all you do is to copy and paste your edit summary explanation to the talk page, this at least encourages some discussion to begin. That requirement is not optional. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 14:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

DYK

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ARF fixes

Hi Fedayee, I got your note this morning and returned to Armenian Revolutionary Federation to do a second check. What you did was a great improvement, and, as I just now wrote on the article's talk page, everything looks OK to me. The article is quite good, in my opinion, and it was a pleasure to work on. Finetooth (talk) 18:51, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

"Book"

Thanks for your help. :) Cbdorsett (talk) 12:54, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Ehud

I warned you on WP:AN/AE to discontinue accussing Ehud of being Adil until such time as that has been established. As a condition of investigating this linkage between the two users, I again re-iterated that it was on the condition that you do not accuse Ehud of being Adil.[19] You have chosen to do it again[20] so I have blocked you for 24 hours. I will continue to look into this, but only if you stop this disregard for WP:AGF. John Vandenberg (talk) 06:06, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

This is ridiculous; such a condition does not exist according to any policies or guidelines. It isn't my fault that you can't see the obvious. I haven't seen you blocking Grandmaster when he accused Azizbekov of being a sock, claiming it’s so obvious in spite of the fact that he has provided no such evidences at all. Azizbekov was consequently banned when Vartan discovered that he was a genuine user. Neither have I seen you block him when Antranikpasha was claimed to be a sock, again without any evidences provided. As a consequence, Andranik was ALSO banned. I have better things to do than wasting all my time at a time like Christmas and the days following to document further something which is so obvious. I also find it weird that all your interventions have always been to support one side against the other as can be confirmed by your edit history.

Accusations without convincing evidences are what should be condemned, like those of Grandmaster’s every time a genuine user appears. Accusations should exist when we are facing with an obvious sock, which is the case with Ehud. And I will not be waiting weeks until you read anything at all, this condition is unacceptable. And I will not be contesting my block either. I know it will be plainly rejected or the request being ignored until the block is waved. I don't expect anything anymore. Its plain fishy, Vartan gets the restriction, I get blocked the next day for ridiculous incidences which is absolutely nothing in comparison with what has happened with Atabek.

It should be obvious that a block is too harsh of a punishment for accusation of sock-puppetry, especially when there is an ample amount of evidence of such sockpuppetry. Furthermore, a block should be preceded by an official warning on the user's page, with the clear notice that the user will be blocked next time. A simple request on other pages doesn't satisfy this. And also, just because the administrators have not concluded that a user is a sock-puppet, doesn't mean there is no basis for such sockpuppetry. - Fedayee (talk) 07:43, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Show me diffs of similar actions by Grandmaster. I havent heard of anything like that, so either it is really old or really new. If it has occurred since Christmas eve I will block him in order to be even handed.

I told you to not make further accusations on AN/AE. Having "evidence" doesnt give you a right to make accusations; you must wait until it has bee independently confirmed. You have asked me to look into it, and I will. That should have been enough for you to hold your tongue for a while; perhaps this block will remind you that WP:AGF is policy. If you believe the block is in error, you are free to request a block review. John Vandenberg (talk) 08:13, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

WP:AGF is not a policy. It is a guideline which "is not set in stone and should be treated with common sense and the occasional exception." (WP:AGF). Saying that someone is a sockpuppet is not a violation of AGF--someone may engage in sockpuppetry with good faith (i.e. believing that he is making Wikipedia better). Good evidence alone is enough to point out suspicious behavior--be it disruptive editing, or sockpuppetry. It provides effective common sense restriction against abuse. Otherwise, users would abuse the system freely until "proof" could be achieved, which could be never (especially if the admin asking for a proof is biased).

Furthermore, a penalty should be applied after an official warning is placed on a user's talk page, and the user is told that continued violation will result in blocking. It's spelled out in the ArbCom decision: "Before any penalty is applied, a warning placed on the editor's user talk page by an administrator shall serve as notice to the user that these remedies apply to them." http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan_2 Poorly worded and vulgar requests (containing stupid phrases such as "shut up") on other pages do not count.

It is clear that you are ignorant of the policies and rules of Wikipedia. You need to step down as an admin and first aquaint yourself with the rules. Before you do that, you need to lift Fedayee's block. If you don't, we, as Wikipedia users, will make sure that you are forced to step down. --TigranTheGreat (talk) 10:06, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Etiquette is also a guideline, but it is one of the "Five" pillars of Wikipedia. Wikilawyering on the distinction of policy and guideline doesnt address the real issue of whether the block was warranted. I dont think it is appropriate to demand that every block be preceded with warnings on the user's talk page. If the warning was given in a place where the user is assured to have read it, a second talk page warning is pandering to process. (I hope you don't hate panda's too?)

This block was not part of Azer/Arm-II, otherwise it would have been of longer duration than the previous 24 hrs block, and I would have put it on the arbitration enforcement log. Perhaps it should be considered related and extended, considering it is accusations against an Azer, but honestly I havent looked into the details of this to know if there was any dispute between the two users. As far as I know so far, this is unrelated to Azer/Arm-II; it appears to just be that Fedayee has decided that Ehud is a sock, and thinks that canvassing and/or harassing Ehud into a confession will speed up the inquiry. Last time Fedayee started this, a section on AN/AE went wildly off-topic with Fedayee and Ehud going at each others throats, and all due to the Fedayee's insistence on accusing Ehud on incomplete evidence. I blocked to prevent the same occurring.

Fedayee is welcome to request an unblock either because the user thinks that I was unfair, or the user agrees to stop the behaviour that caused the block.

p.s. wikt:put up or shut up is slang.

John Vandenberg (talk) 11:06, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Is 24 hours a little long for this minor-at-best sort of infraction? I would think 8 hours would be better. Bstone (talk) 17:16, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Vandenberg by his own admisison here (http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayvdb&diff=prev&oldid=180450820) he hasn't even studied the evidence against Ehud properly that he himself requested yet he thinks he can issue blocks for accusing Ehud of being a sockpuppet based on the lack of evidence.-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 17:52, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

You may want to bring that up here Bstone (talk) 18:19, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

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Barnstar

		Artsakh Barnstar of National Merit
		I, hereby award you the Artsakh Barnstar of National Merit for all the work you have done to improve the coverage of Nagorno-Karabakh related articles. Keep up the great work! VartanM (talk) 05:17, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Bagramyan

Hi Fadayee. I appreciate that you may wish to highlight the Armenianess of the late Marshal Bagramyan, and I think its a great article on him, but the truth is that he was an officer in the Red Army and later the Soviet Army, a member of the military-political elite, and the rank was Marshal of Soviet Union. Regardless how you feel about Armenia, it was, during his lifetime, as Soviet Socialist Republic, and the history can not be rewritten to suit your preferences any more then mine. For most of his life Bagramyan was a Soviet officer regardless of ethnicity, and it may be that his self-suppressed nationalism allowed him, with no small amount of talent for leadership, to reach the height of Soviet officer Corps. Please add any information on his less well known personal attitudes towards Armenian in the content (where they are backed by sources), but superimposing the flag of 1920 Armenia, or that of 1991, on the life of this officer is just ahistorical.-- mrg3105mrg3105 22:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

FYI: ArbCom Armenia-Azerbaijan 3 case

Please see Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Armenia-Azerbaijan 3. -- Cat ^chi? 18:05, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Arbitration

Hi. Please be aware of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Ehud Lesar arbitration case. Thanks. Grandmaster (talk) 07:15, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Armenian collage

Barev, can you please cast your vote for the design and content on Armenians collage here?: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Armenians Thanks! -- Aivazovsky (talk) 17:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Ehud Lesar

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Urartu , Hayasa pages and Armens

Somebody removed the History of Armenia template again from Urartu and Hayasa pages, please put it back. They are removing from certain pages as they desire, yet other pages are kept in the same form, which they give excuse on certain pages for cluttering. It is vandalism. Also, the Armens page, the recent removal by DougWeller is POV, since we provided the sources, and it was always there. 76.237.11.134 (talk) 20:08, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

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Thank you

Thank you for the welcome. How does one join the Wikiproject Armenia? Narine08 (talk) 04:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for all the help :) Narine08 (talk) 04:03, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

BTW, do you know why that video got removed? Narine08 (talk) 04:05, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again. I hate to bother you again, you probably have million other things to do. But can you take a look at http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Karen_Kavaleryan I just created it and it doesn't look wikipediaish :) Narine08 (talk) 05:29, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Dude?!

“ Welcome to Wikipedia! Keep your ibneh fantasies to yourself :) Mind WP:DICK ”

I disagree with what he did, but was it really worth calling him an ibne? I'm bi, and I find it really offensive for you to have used that word. Just please, don't get homophobic. He isn't worth insulting, because he's just a pathetic little racist. Calling him an ibne doesn't make you a better person than he is. Lesbians, gays, bisexuals and trannies use Wikipedia, too, you know. If anyone's being a dick here, its you. Geez, and I thought Canadians were tolerant... Runningfridgesrule (talk) 17:34, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello again! I accept your apology, but you have to understand that "ibne" carries very vulgar and derogatory connotations. Its like "nigger" for gay people, that's how offensive it is. I hope I've enlightened you :-). Runningfridgesrule (talk) 18:20, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Leave Fedayeeeee ALONE!!!! VartanM (talk) 08:57, 4 July 2008 (UTC)