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Potential candidates discussion

Possibly still living

If anyone is good at research or has resources that I don't, the following people may have lived to be 100 (or may still be alive), but I can't find any evidence either way:

Kalima Amankulova (born 1915)
John Benibengor Blay (born 1915)
Daphne Courtney (born June 28, 1916)
Sumiko Mizukubo (born October 16, 1916)
Thomas Anderson (footballer, born 1916) (born 1916)
Jack Beasley (footballer) (born 1916)
Mary Walker-Sawka (born 1916) (possibly died August 31, 2015)
Ko Arima (born August 22, 1917)
Takashi Kasahara (footballer, born 1918) (born March 26, 1918)
Rd Mochtar (born May 31, 1918)
Adli El Shafei (born April 18, 1919)
Bruno Zago (born December 2, 1919)
Nobuyuki Kato (born January 2, 1920)
Hermann Dvoracek (born May 4, 1920)
George Stewart (footballer, born 1920) (born October 18, 1920)
Tomaso Luis Volpi (born December 5, 1920)
Earl Ashby (born May 16, 1921)
Eric Williams (footballer) (born July 10, 1921)
Alfredo Colombo (born July 25, 1921)
Eric Hampson (born November 11, 1921)
Peter Godber (born April 7, 1922)
Lee Sung-yang (born May 29, 1922) (possibly died in 2014)
Visesio Moeliku (born December 20, 1922)
Roberto Antonioli (born c. 1922)
Kensuke Hijikata (born 1922)
Maria Schneider (politician) (born February 9, 1923)
Jackie Hughes (born December 13, 1923)
David Cooper (Indian cricketer) (born 1923)

For individuals who competed at the Olympic Games, see this list.

I've assumed that if someone reached 110, we would have certainly heard about it, so no one pre-1900 was included. Cheers, CP 19:32, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RE – George Anderson (footballer born 1904) (born October 29, 1904)

The book "Football League Players' Records 1888-1939" (by Michael Joyce) has a date of 1974 for his death. Topcardi (talk) 22:17, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another mystery solved! Thanks once again for the info! Cheers, CP 22:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would consider Nina Vanna to be notable enough, her filmography is more extensive than many others on the List of surviving silent film actors and if living she would be the oldest. DerbyCountyinNZ (talk) 23:00, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Still have to think about Vanna but, Derby, you may be interested in Adele De Garde as well. Cheers, CP 03:50, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try and get round to adding her to List of surviving silent film actors after the Olympics!!! She would surely be the oldest living actor/actress and not many would have celebrated 100 years since their first film role! Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (talk) 09:32, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding Sir Alan Watt – found on website of possible death date of 1988. [1] --Thomas (talk) 06:53, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's good enough for me – only the top part is borrowed from Wikipedia, so the rest of it can be used as source – so I have removed him from the list. Thanks for the info! Cheers, CP 15:18, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I added Charles Howard here, along with Horace Wass and Harry Forsyth; either cricinfo is reliable enough to have them all in, or none of them. We need to have a standard policy on its reliability. Cheers, CP 17:08, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Khattak has lived to 100 after all, as his death has just been confirmed: http://www.app.com.pk/en_/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=55299&Itemid=2 --RandomOrca2 (talk) 21:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Too bad. At least he can be added to the list though. Cheers, CP 21:05, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Howard (cricketer)'s Cricinfo profile says that he's probably deceased, although it notes that the Association of Cricket Statisticians claims that he is the oldest Cricket Player ever. In any case, he shouldn't be on the list until something conclusive is discovered. Cheers, CP 04:54, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Archie Frederick Collins , prolific author and radio pioneer, born January 8, 1869, renewed a copyright August 7, 1951, as "author." Library of Congress bibliographic file and "Who Was Who" by Marquis have no date of death. Presumed to have died sometime in the 1950's but not based on any obituary. Edison (talk) 01:11, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I removed Aylmer Liesemer, because the last reference of him being alive was the first external link, which was published in 2002, and I haven't seen any updates since then. Cheers, CP 18:03, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Found a death date for Richard Russel Southam through Rootsweb of August 26 1994 [2].--Thomas (talk) 09:59, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, great find! Thanks! Cheers, CP 16:53, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Found a newspaper Clipping with Obituary of Lawrence E. kindt, he passed away in 1973. [3] --Tommieboi (talk) 03:55, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fletcher Allen found a birth date of July 25 1905 at the website referenced on his page. Looking through the SSDI I found a Fletcher Allen born on July 26 1905 and Dying on August 5 1995 sounds like a real good possibility he only made it to nonagenarian status by several days. --Tommieboi (talk) 08:28, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, you're really freaking good at this! Thanks! Cheers, CP 16:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Found this on George Braakman, Apparently born in 1903 and dying in 1965. [4]

Amazing. By the way, I moved Billy Kidd back to 1908 and left my reasoning on the article talk page, but I may be incorrect, so please do check it out... it's tough to find appropriate sources for a guy named "Billy Kidd", so I may be wrong overall and 1907 could be the correct year of birth... but I don't think so at the moment. Cheers, CP 16:55, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed Adele De Garde from the list since it's likely that she died in 1965 and there's no conclusive sources to include her on the list anyways. Cheers, CP 23:33, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The information regarding De Garde's death on the Young Hollywood Walk of Fame (which as a result appeared on Wikipedia) appeared after I emailed the woman owning the site, after hearing a word from one of the members on StarTiger (an autograph hunter's site) that he/she had tried to contact her, only to be told that she had died in 1965... it's not the most reliable source in the world and since her date of birth is uncertain (it could've been 1904, 1905 you just don't know), I think we should consider re-adding her to the possibly living list for the time being, cheers --Jkaharper (talk) 12:28, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A google of "oldest bristol rovers player" gives a link to the Bristol Rover Fan Club. Unfortunately, it needs a log-in to access it BUT the preview says "The recent death of Ernie Coombs means, I think, that Phil Taylor is the oldest ex-Rovers player alive. Taylor was born in Sept 1917, so will be 91 in a few...". As Bill Pickering was a former Rovers player I think they'd know if he was still alive. There's certainly nothing else to suggest that he is, or that he even reached his 100th birthday. Good enough to remove him? DerbyCountyinNZ 23:30, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Good enough for me. Thanks for the tip! Cheers, CP 06:17, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Robert Liversidge (born Jacob "Jack"" Perlweig. This Family tree for Perlzweig lists a Jacob (Jack) Liversidge, son of Asher Perlzweig, born 11 June 1904 in London, died 30 September 1994 in Vancouver. Is that a sufficiently reliable source? DerbyCountyinNZ 00:52, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

All the facts seem to line up; another excellent find! Cheers, CP 03:14, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There's an obituary for a 101-year old Elsie Green, but I'm not sure if this is the same person as Elsie Green. [5] SiameseTurtle (talk) 22:51, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely possible, although I can't figure out if it's the same person either. I'll add the link next to her name though. Cheers, CP 17:06, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Commenting to prevent archiving. Cheers, CP 19:23, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tucker is deceased, see [6] "predeceased by her...husband, James R. Tucker, former Member of Parliament

for Trinity-Conception, Nlfd" – Connormah (talk) 20:16, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And here's the mention of Tucker's death... [7] – Connormah (talk) 20:20, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nice find! Canadian Paul 20:29, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Brown deceased...see [8] and the news article I cited in the article. – Connormah (talk) 20:30, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, great job again! Canadian Paul 20:49, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I've been looking for McPhillips for ages...can't seem to find anything though I'm 99% sure he's deceased... – Connormah (talk) 21:05, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Enzo Petito seems to have died in 1967 (check his page for reference). OscarL 10:08, 11 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I anticipate looking into Houghton and Friedman, and possibly Quinn in the coming weeks. I believe all three are deceased. Connormah (talk) 00:48, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Connormah: Turns out Quinn was still alive! Canadian Paul 00:14, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Would Luba Marks (aka Lubov Roudenko) be a candidate for this list or are her dates too vague/nebulous? Some sources claim she was born in 1915... Mabalu (talk) 13:28, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This article states that Basil Dickinson is (as of 2013) the oldest living Australian Olympian and Commonwealth Games athlete. As he was born after Thelma Peake the implication is that Peake was deceased prior to 2013. Good enough? DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 01:49, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Good enough for me. Great find! Happy New Year Derby! Canadian Paul 21:06, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly aged 100+ without birth/death dates

Although I am pretty positive that she is deceased, how about Marie-Louise Bruyère? She opened her couture house in Paris in 1928, having learned her trade from Lanvin and the Callot Soeurs. We have no birth or death dates for her, but to have launched in 1928 she would have had to be at least 18 years old (I would guess closer to early or mid-20s) easily making her born before 1910. Similar reasoning for Marcelle Dormoy (also a couturier with a 1928 launch date) although there is evidence Dormoy is deceased (But don't know when, though) as her heirs donated a dress she designed to a Paris museum. Mabalu (talk) 13:18, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't what others think but, at a certain point, if we start including people where there isn't really a suggestion that they could be over 100 (i.e. a birth date), just a possibility, then this page might turn into a near-copy of the Possibly living people category, which might impede the purpose of this talk page (to facilitate improvement of the centenarian articles) by overloading it. But I have no strong opinions and am open to hearing other people's thoughts. Canadian Paul 23:41, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm against adding anyone without a DoB, there is too much room for error which lowers the standard of reliability too far. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 00:14, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Part of the reason I ask is because if anyone can find out dates, I'm pretty sure you guys can – as you're so good at finding impossible-to-find death dates for others. But yes, I accept the reasoning above. Was just curious as it struck me while looking at the articles that if they were both still alive they'd definitely be over 100, but both have been really difficult to find dates info on. Mabalu (talk) 00:26, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see where you're coming from now and it makes sense. I wonder if there's a user page/sandbox somewhere that would be good for that type of collaboration, sort of like how the possibly living section of User:Canadian Paul/Olympics prevents this page from becoming unwieldy. Canadian Paul 23:22, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I may just set one up for artists/designers with no known dates... Mabalu (talk) 00:48, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

User:Mabalu/Missingdates There we go. Only a few names so far, but will have to remember to add to it as I find others. Mabalu (talk) 02:10, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look when I get time. I might get lucky with a few of these names. Connormah (talk) 06:37, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Splitting the list

Well, it survived AfD, but I do agree that it probably needs to be split into smaller lists. The question is, how do we do it? With bigger lists there are many precedents. It could be alphabetically (ie. List of Centenarians A-F) or by occupation, by country, by age etc. etc.

If nothing else, it will make it easier for us to produce some featured content. We can also add more pictures to smaller lists. So, what are the thoughts? Cheers, CP 01:46, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think alphabetical would be a good idea. I'll gather the free-use pictures on the articles listed here and include them on a subpage. --RandomOrca2 (talk) 02:23, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't seem to be any objection to alphabetical... now the question is, how do we split up the letters so that the divisions are neither too small nor too large? Cheers, CP 23:28, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well A-M (inlcuding Miscellaneous) and N-P would be 'fairly' close to 50:50 at the moment but either could potentially approach 100k within a year or so. A-E, J-R and S-Z would probably be better just in case there is a flood of new entries! DerbyCountyinNZ (talk) 23:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I say if there are no objections, I say we do this ASAP, before someone complains or tries to delete the list again... then we can get back to providing references and weeding out the problematic entries. Cheers, CP 03:43, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Doing it alphabetically has negative effects on the usefulness of the list I'd prefer splitting by nationality or profession. Anything that makes it less of a category-looking list would stop future spurious nominations. - Mgm|^(talk) 08:17, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I also think catagorising what the centenarian was famous for (artist/politician etc) is a useful way to organise the information, so I think we should retain this. As this is a list of notable centenarians, it's important to list what they were notable for. Organising alphabetically would make this information hard to find. I think it should be either split by nationality (doesn't necessarily have to be by individual nations - eg. continents), or by profession. SiameseTurtle (talk) 09:35, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well it's the end of 2009 and the list is now 188k, so Derby's prediction off two 100k lists from a year ago wasn't that far off. I think it's about time to do this... the question is merely alphabetically or by profession and, if we use the latter, how do we divide them and what do we name the pages? Cheers, CP 17:55, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest List of centenarians by profession (A-H), List of centenarians by profession (I-R), List of centenarians by profession (S-Z). This article could explain the splitting of the list and have a list of professions linking to the appropriate section in the new articles. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 23:43, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I like that solution, but we'd have to decide beforehand how to alphabetize each profession (most aren't a big deal, but the broader ones might be ie. "Educators, school administrators, social scientists and linguists" or "Social scientists, educators... etc."). I'd say we alphabitize by using the broadest category first (like the second way I organized the example). We could then use this page as a disambiguation page to all the actual lists and the talk page as a central location for discussing all the things that we usually discuss here, so that people don't have to follow discussions that concerns the lists in general on four different pages. I think we should see if there are any objections, and then split the list in a week. Thoughts? Cheers, CP 16:10, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed on all points. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 20:22, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well no one has argued, so I'm going to set this up soon in my user space and then link it here for everyone to see. Cheers, CP 19:23, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]