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What time are you going to sleep tonight? (to call a truce/ceasefire)

I am ready to retire for the day whenever you wish to agree to resume tomorrow. You've given me an exercise in Wikipedia diplomacy, but I hope you are as tired/exhausted as I am. (not that I can't drink another red bull & smoke a couple lucky strikes and go for round 2 of our friendly jesting) but the ball is in your court. I am Korean and single so I'm born functional to sit in front of a computer for several hours, as I've already shown so far. I just don't want to open another red bull because you might be drinking 5 hour energy and we're upping each other's blood caffeine levels unneccessarily. I've had 3 already today and have a headache, but I'm fighting it. If you want to retire in about 30 minutes, I can give you more friendly diplomacy on WP:ANI tomorrow. I've had more than enough for 1 session. 완젬스 (talk) 00:09, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

You seem to think this is a game. It's not. I've raised a concern that I feel is serious and hope it gets addressed. You've stated your defense in more-than-enough words. If anyone comments while you're asleep you'll be able to answer them tomorrow just as easily. Equazcion ^(talk) 00:15, 21 Apr 2012 (UTC)

This affects my physical and mental health. However stressful it is to you, multiply that x10 because you have nothing to lose and a lot to gain. The best I can come out of this is to keep my editing privileges. I have nothing to gain but a lot to lose. I won't sleep until I've observed your account dormant for a period exceeding a pre-determined number of minutes. If you want to retire early, then I'll give you the same courtesy while you sleep. We both know it will be instant straw-manning of each other's arguments if one of us goes to sleep while the other keeps posting. I'm trying to do us both a favor by telling you I'm the most sleepy right now. I'd like to sleep and ask what time you plan to cease editing Wikipedia (but I respect your privacy if you wish not to tell me). 완젬스 (talk) 00:21, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

(ec) I also would like this to be addressed--but can't we address it tomorrow rather than today? I have a headache, I'm sleepy, and I'm tired of WP:ANI. This is my 5th consecutive hour of f5'ing. 완젬스 (talk) 00:23, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Playing the victim won't get you anywhere in this matter, at least not with me. I don't have any particular plan for when I stop editing for the day, though I will note it's only 8pm here and tomorrow is Saturday, so as far as sleep goes, that's a ways off. Continually responding to every single comment is a mistake anyway and doesn't help your case (take it from a veteran editor). You've stated your defense, now let others weigh in. I won't be responding to every single comment either (ie. simple statements of agreement or disagreement with my recommendation) -- only if it seems something new has been brought up that requires addressing, or if more information is requested. Equazcion ^(talk) 00:37, 21 Apr 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I respect that. Thanks for being straightforward with me. I hope that I've been civil with you today at WP:ANI as well. Later, 완젬스 (talk) 00:41, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Bens dream

I noticed that you've had an altercation with Bens dream, as well. He did the exact same thing on the Dota 2 page, where he changed the infobox to "Defense of Allegiance", which seemed like vandalism, since not only does Dota 2 not represent an abbreviation, but that name doesn't have any correlation, so I sent him a warning. He responded poorly; he reverted it while calling me an idiot, he told me I'd pay for it if I ever talked to him again, (mind you, I don't know this person), and he made no less than three reverts in a matter of minutes, (not all against me). He apologized afterwards, but given him rash impulses, lack of knowledge regarding Wikipedia and general immaturity, I would guess that he's probably 12 to 13 years-old. Now, he's already been warned, so I don't want him to be confronted immediately, but I think we should watch this editor; make sure he doesn't persist with this poor behavior. DarthBotto _talk•cont 04:59, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Hardly the same thing, he was quipping over language use with me (I actually took it as humor), while yours is an argument over facts. I left a talk page comment at that article after looking at the history. Hope it helps. I haven't looked into Ben's other contributions, but I'll try to offer advice in the future if you need. Good luck. Equazcion ^(talk) 05:50, 21 Apr 2012 (UTC)

Okay I totally got this wrong. I didn't realize who he was, and which conflict you were referring to (I was originally responding about an ANI comment someone made to me with a similar name). Yes, I did have a similar altercation with him about a game article, and I'll keep an eye out. Sorry for the confusion. Equazcion ^(talk) 06:03, 21 Apr 2012 (UTC)

I shouldn't have called it vandalism what he was doing; I should have called it a good-faith edit. That was a bad call on my part. DarthBotto _talk•cont 06:37, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Crit section

I was wondering if you want to insert this. It is the version which passed the RfC, but edited to break it up into several paragraphs, which were also consensus I think. Nice if you do it, then it would not be me inserting my own work.

Conservative criticism of OWS has sometimes been vitriolic, casting the demonstrators as a thoroughly marginal group. Andrew Hartman wrote in The Chronicle Review that "many conservatives and pundits view the Wall Street protesters as envious ingrates looking for government handouts because they fear responsibility." Kate Zernike said in The New York Times that the Tea Party Patriots "portrayed Occupy protesters as freeloaders, or would-be freeloaders: 'Those occupying Wall Street and other cities, when they are intelligible, want less of what made America great and more of what is damaging to America: a bigger more powerful government to come in and take care of them so they don’t have to work like the rest of us who pay our bills.'"

Brian Montopoli, writing for CBS News said that "The conservative criticism of the Occupy Wall Street movement is that it is a "growing mob" (House majority leader Eric Cantor) of "shiftless protestors" (The Tea Party Express) engaged in "class warfare" (GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain) whose grievances - whatever they are - are far outside the political mainstream." Matthew Continetti, also writing for CBS, said that conservatives "dismiss the movement as a fringe collection of left tendencies, along with assorted homeless, mental cases, and petty criminals." "Conservatives [have tried to] define the Occupy protesters before the protesters define themselves.

Ed Morrissey, writing in The Week, insisted that the Occupy movement wants “seizures and redistributions, which necessarily means more bureaucracies, higher spending, and many more opportunities for collusion between authorities and moneyed interests in one way or another." Linda Colley said in The Guardian "A prime reason for [the diffidence between Democratic and Republican responses to OWS] is suggested by some of the Republican attacks on Occupy. The demonstrators were "mobs", said Eric Cantor, the House minority leader. Occupy was waging "class warfare", claimed Mitt Romney, an accusation some Republicans also level at Obama. But it was a rival of Romney for the Republican nomination, Herman Cain, who voiced the criticism Democrats and demonstrators here fear most. Occupy, and those backing it, according to Cain, are "anti-American"."

Douglas Rushkoff, in a special to CNN said that "Like the spokesmen for Arab dictators feigning bewilderment over protesters' demands, mainstream television news reporters finally training their attention on the growing Occupy Wall Street protest movement seem determined to cast it as the random, silly blather of an ungrateful and lazy generation of weirdos. They couldn't be more wrong and, as time will tell, may eventually be forced to accept the inevitability of their own obsolescence."

On October 5, 2011, conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh told his listening audience: "When I was 10 years old I was more self-sufficient than this parade of human debris calling itself Occupy Wall Street." Glenn Beck said on his internet television network GBTV, "Capitalists, if you think that you can play footsies with these people, you are wrong. They will come for you and drag you into the streets and kill you. They will do it. They’re not messing around." Newt Gingrich, said "All the Occupy movements starts with the premise that we all owe them everything. Now, that is a pretty good symptom of how much the left has collapsed as a moral system in this country and why you need to reassert something as simple as saying to them, go get a job right after you take a bath." Rick Santorum also told the protesters to get jobs.

B^e——C_ritical 22:01, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Some questions: How would that jive with the existing responses section? There are already some criticisms there. Would this be a sub-section of it? Also this seems likely to become a dumping ground for any critical opinion piece people can find. Equazcion ^(talk) 22:58, 23 Apr 2012 (UTC)

Then again if there was consensus at the RFC I don't need to start questioning it. Though I'm concerned about making another big edit myself. I think if the RFc showed good consensus you can do it, it shouldn't matter that it was your own work. People do expect editors to submit their own work... Equazcion ^(talk) 23:00, 23 Apr 2012 (UTC)

Alright I'm doin it. Feel free to play with the placement. Equazcion ^(talk) 23:15, 23 Apr 2012 (UTC)

Don't do it if you're not comfortable with it. I can do it (: B^e——C_ritical 23:23, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

It's no big deal, after thinking it over. Plus I haven't edited much at the Reactions article anyway. I had confused it with the main OWS article, I thought the section was being proposed for that one, for some reason. Anyway it's done now. Equazcion ^(talk) 23:30, 23 Apr 2012 (UTC)

Cool (: I put back in the rest of the section... I don't think there was any discussion of removal, just that the new material should be included. And the old material covers some different stuff. B^e——C_ritical 23:40, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I didn't realize this was a proposed addition rather than a replacement, that's my bad. Thanks for fixing it. Equazcion ^(talk) 23:43, 23 Apr 2012 (UTC)

The grumpy award

I would like to give you 'just one peanut' for your help, thank you Equazcion ! Penyulap ☏ 06:47, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm a bit out of my depth on tinkering here, there is a fair bit of code I'm not entirely familiar with, help ? Penyulap ☏ 06:04, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Looks like the code was okay, but {{top icon}} is set to disable outside template/user space. You created this in Wikipedia space. I move it to Template:The grumpy award and it seems to display now. Only I'm not quite sure what you intended it to link to -- right now it goes to User talk:The grumpy award. If you let me know where you wanted it to go I can try and fix that. Equazcion ^(talk) 06:12, 24 Apr 2012 (UTC)

Okay it's fixed now. Everything was okay except for a % where a : should have been, and your Template:Grump/preload didn't exist. I put test text there now so you can see it works. Equazcion ^(talk) 06:19, 24 Apr 2012 (UTC)

If you want Template:Grump to preload instead, just remove the /preload at the end of the wikilink field. Equazcion ^(talk) 06:21, 24 Apr 2012 (UTC)

I am trying to make a less fishy kind of trout, so I copied most of the code and adapted it straight from there, but can't see where the 'big fish' image is, I can't find the code to display the full size anime of the Grumpy award by searching for, (fishing for) the trout. Penyulap ☏

Okay, {{The grumpy award}} is now the actual award (seems more appropriate that way), while {{Grump}} places the top icon. The top icon's link starts a section at the user's talk page and places the contents of {{The grumpy award/preload}} in it, which is {{The grumpy award}}. I think it works as you intended now. Thanks for the squirrel :) Equazcion ^(talk) 06:58, 24 Apr 2012 (UTC)

I gave you one peanut, you're meant to be the squirrel :) and don't eat it all at once or you'll choke ! Thank you Equazcion, I can do docs and things, it was the wrestling in code that I couldn't do without your help. I changed my trout to grump, it's less of a ikky contact sport sort of thing when I thought about it. I will have to clean up the anime (brushmarks and transparency stuff) if people think it's a good alternative. Penyulap ☏ 07:11, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Ah I get it now. Should've read the caption. No problem, and I guess I'll settle for the peanut :) Equazcion ^(talk) 07:17, 24 Apr 2012 (UTC)

I will have to keep a squirrel in mind for next time, thanks, over and out. Penyulap ☏ 07:23, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Income inequality

The text they're talking about is "Income inequality, defined as a wealthy upper class with economic stagnation or impoverishment for the rest of the population, has increased greatly since the 1960s."link The text in the source seems to me to be related well enough to OWS, but there are other sources for nearly the same info, and anyway, no one even disputes that it's right. Even AKA. The quote from the source:

In an article in the second issue of the Occupy Wall Street Journal entitled “What Liberty Square Means: The Progress of Revolutions,” Rebecca Manski joins the debate from Zuccotti Park, renamed Liberty Square. Manski argues:

Liberty Square is the twenty-first century Liberty Tree. If you want to understand what is happening there, imagine: Under the Liberty Tree that stood in Boston Common, early in the first American Revolution, any and all could come to air their grievances and hammer out solutions collectively, and it was there the promise of American democracy first took root. We are reclaiming a democratic practice in Liberty Square.

Since 2008, national unemployment rates have remained above 9% with much higher rates for African Americans and youth—16% and 24.6% respectively. An estimated 10.4 million mortgages could default this year. Income inequality, with concentrated wealth at the top and flat incomes or impoverishment for the vast majority of the country’s population, has increased precipitously since the 1960s. The well known facts are worth reciting again: the top one percent of the country owns 34.6% of the wealth in total net worth; the next 19% owns 50.5%; the bottom 80% owns 15%.

The "liberty square" is a direct reference to OWS. B^e——C_ritical 20:07, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm a little confused though still.

• Is this from the opinion piece AKA referred to? I could be dense but it doesn't seem apparent from the site whether or not it is.
• Are there non-opinion pieces we could use instead for this, that also connect to OWS (not that I agree this should be a requirement, but just to avoid having to argue it altogether)?
• Failing that, is there at least a non-opinion piece that states the inequality increase?

Perhaps we can change that lead sentence into something that restates the inequality increase in a way that can be referenced as AKA/Amadsci demand. Equazcion ^(talk) 20:19, 24 Apr 2012 (UTC)

Non opinion pieces? I don't know, that is pretty hard to get for this article. But more sources? Sure:

The Occupy movement has, according to recent polling, significantly more general support than the Tea Party, and its specific demands are highly popular. Huge majorities agree that corporate special interests have too much clout in Washington, that inequality has gotten out of control, that taxes can and should be raised on the successful, that the gamblers of Wall Street deserve some direct comeuppance for the wreckage they have bestowed on the rest of us. Polling data do not show a salient cultural split between blue-collar whites and the countercultural drum circles in dozens of cities around America. And the facts are behind the majority position. Social and economic inequality is higher than it has been since the 1920s, and is showing no signs of declining.

Sure, multinational corporations have rescued millions from poverty in the developing world in the last decade. But they have also outsourced more and more blue- and white-collar jobs away from the West, pioneered technological innovation that has made entire professions—remember travel agents? librarians? secretaries?—redundant, and rewarded the brilliant and driven at the expense of the middle class and the job security it once enjoyed. Even great Western products like the iPhone now actually employ more Chinese than Americans in their manufacturing. People rightly wonder how they can ever master these powerful forces again. And, yes, the income numbers are staggering by any measure. From the late 1940s to the early 1970s, the median American household saw its income double. Since then: a screeching halt, or barely a 5 percent rise in incomes for the less-affluent 90 percent of Americans. But between 1979 and 2007, the top 1 percent saw their incomes soar by 281 percent. Add to that the collapse in home values, and soaring costs for health insurance and college, and it becomes remarkable that we haven’t seen much more unrest. I believe the man who posted the following statement online: “I work 3 jobs. None which provide health insurance. My son is on Medicaid. We are on W.I.C. We’re 1 paycheck from disaster. I am the 99 percent.” Do we not all know someone like him?[1]

Occupy Wall Street and its coast-to-coast spinoffs captured the headlines in 2011, but the economic debate it helped trigger should reverberate deep into 2012.

That's the debate over the future of the American middle class....

There isn't any question that income inequality has increased over the last three decades or so, despite a conservative campaign to discredit the notion. A straightforward description of the trend was issued in October by the bipartisan Congressional Budget Office, which determined that for the highest-income 1% of the population, average after-tax household income almost quadrupled from 1979 to 2007, while income for the 60% of Americans in the middle of the scale grew by just over one-third. (Both figures are adjusted for inflation; in 2007, that middle group comprised households with earnings between about $15,000 and $70,000.) As a consequence of this trend, the CBO says, the share of after-tax household income collected by the top 20% of income earners grew to 53% in 2007 from 43% in 1979. Everyone else fell....

And ends the article with:

One message of the Occupy movement is that the trend to deliver wealth to those at the top of the economic pyramid undervalues the contributions made by everyone else. This is not merely an important cause of our economic malaise, but a moral and political failing too. [2]

And:

Occupy Wall Street is not known for the precision of its economic analysis, but new research on income distribution in the United States shows that the group’s sloganeering provides a stunningly accurate picture of the economy. In 2010, according to a study published this month by University of California economist Emmanuel Saez, 93 percent of income growth went to the wealthiest 1 percent of American households, while everyone else divvied up the 7 percent that was left over. Put another way: The most fundamental characteristic of the U.S. economy today is the divide between the 1 percent and the 99 percent.

It was not ever thus. In the recovery that followed the downturn of the early 1990s, the wealthiest 1 percent captured 45 percent of the nation’s income growth. In the recovery that followed the dot-com bust 10 years ago, Saez noted, 65 percent of the income growth went to the top 1 percent. This time around, it’s reached 93 percent — a level so high it shakes the foundations of the entire American project....

Finally, as Saez points out, there has been “an explosion of top wages and salaries” since 1970. In that year, 5.1 percent of all wages and salaries paid in the United States went to the wealthiest 1 percent. In 2007, the share going to the wealthiest 1 percent had more than doubled, to 12.4 percent.[3]

B^e——C_ritical 21:14, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

DRN Notice

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is "Occupy Wall Street". Thank you. --Amadscientist (talk) 06:40, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Just so you know...

• The users that opposed the topic ban here were basically the users that opposed me in the AfDs (User:Tarc, User:SmokeyJoe). I was trying to get some outside input on the situation. Basically, the way I see it is, User:Hipocrite seemed to be mad that I placed the warning template on his/her talk page, so then s/he resorted to, "Let's see if I can delete his articles without him knowing." (I know about WP:OWN, but still.) All in all, I didn't start the discussion in bad faith. Erpert ^{Who is this guy? | Wanna talk about it?} 16:40, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Your statement here does clarify your concern a bit more, and I can see why you might've been peeved enough to go to ANI with it.
  • Taking a look at the warning you placed that you believe precipitated this [4], I don't think that quite qualified as an attempt outside ANI to work things out with Hipocrite. Templating someone for "disruptive editing" based on AfD rationale you don't agree with isn't cool. Not that he was justified in nominating your articles for deletion as some kind of revenge, if that's what he was doing... but, there were better ways to go about raising that concern.
  • At any rate, I didn't close the discussion because of the accusation that it was started in bad faith, but because all the issues seemed to have been settled (as I said in the closing statement). I actually don't think you started it in bad faith at all (now or before you came here). The discussion had then veered away from the issues you brought, and had begun escalating into an argument about what AfD notification policy should be.
  • Unfortunately, if your suspicions about Hipocrite's intentions are accurate, there's not much that can be done to satiate your desire to have him get what he deserves. On Wikipedia, you're allowed to do bad stuff once, as long as you promise not to again afterwards. At least you now have it on record that this behavior was discussed, in case you need to show a pattern in the future.
  • I will leave Hipocrite a note about this, though, also for further record (though I'm sure he'll revert it). Equazcion ^(talk) 17:44, 26 Apr 2012 (UTC)
  • Done here. Equazcion ^(talk) 17:55, 26 Apr 2012 (UTC)

Unique page anchors - continued from VPP

It appears the thread at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Unique page anchors is dying down. Are you willing to consider some more ideas here on your talk page? EdJohnston (talk) 03:40, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Sure, here is good. Equazcion ^(talk) 03:42, 27 Apr 2012 (UTC)

Looking at WP:DRN, I see that they have some repeating headers which are not unique. For example, 'Dispute overview' is repeated for each dispute. But for the discussion section, you have 'XXX discussion', where XXX changes for each one. It is reasonable you might want to give out section links to the Discussion section. It does not seem very likely that 'Dispute overview' would be linked to very often (it is close to the top of the page) so disambiguating those headers doesn't look to be a high priority. If unique page anchors were possible, how would you propose to use them at WP:DRN? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 01:42, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

You know, it looks like you're right about the DRN example. I was involved in something there recently where anchor links kept sending me to the wrong section, but going back there now I can't see why (even looking at old revisions). In any event, you're right that this can be dealt with pretty easily in the majority of cases (by tweaking templates or changing a header name), but those occasional instances where it becomes a difficult issue still suck.

There was a recent ArbCom RFC where I had to deal with this, I think it was Images of Muhammad, where I took it upon myself to distinguish the sections after it became too annoying. I added things like "1", "1a", "2", etc. to the myriad of "Support", "Oppose", "Discussion" sections (though if that's the discussion I'm thinking of, it looks like others have since edited many of them) -- and this wasn't easy to do with all the rapid editing on such a page. There's also the use of "break" headers in different sections of ANI and the like.

In the end it's just something that is decidedly an unreliable feature, it's just so easy to break, and it should be fixed across the board. The anchor IDs are made unique specifically to avoid this problem, and yet we don't use them, so we still have the problem. Seems pretty silly to me.

I guess this isn't what you were hoping to discuss here though. I'll keep my eye out for process pages where duplicate headers are created standard though. I feel like there must be some. Equazcion ^(talk) 05:49, 28 Apr 2012 (UTC)

Occupy Wall Street

As it stands, there has been no determination if the account you are reverting is in fact a sock or not. And while it has been blocked for disruption, your use of rollback in this specific situation appears to fall outside of policy. Please consider using a tool (or the undo button) that allows you to make informative edit summaries. Also, note that you yourself have now violated WP:3RR. Tiptoety ^talk 04:00, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

I didn't see this as anything but a clearcut case of a banned user returning as a sock. The account was created and immediately headed to Occupy Wall Street to make the same sort of edits he did, using the same language he did. I think anyone familiar with CentristFiasco's behavior would make the same determination. Have you run checkuser? In any event, I'll take this under advisement for the future. Equazcion ^(talk) 04:04, 27 Apr 2012 (UTC)

I have. There is nothing of interest. Tiptoety ^talk 04:06, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay. If the eventual conclusion is that I was wrong and this user isn't a sock, the block should probably be reduced to a 48-hour and I'll take the same for good measure. We would've both been edit warring and over 3RR, so it doesn't seem fair otherwise (I'm an experienced user and should've known better, so I'm even more guilty). Though I'm wholly certain this is a sock, and only about .01% less sure it's CentristFiasco's sock. I would not have used rollback or reverted this many times if I wasn't. Equazcion ^(talk) 04:15, 27 Apr 2012 (UTC)

I guess my point is, regardless, not everyone is as familiar with the socks as you are. Using some form of tool for reverts that allows you to put "reverting suspected sock" in the edit summary would be helpful to those passing by. Tiptoety ^talk 04:27, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

I understand. I did leave an article talk comment explaining, opened the sock case, tagged the user page and notified on the user talk page, but I still probably should've left edit summaries to clarify, and will do so in the future. Equazcion ^(talk) 04:31, 27 Apr 2012 (UTC)

←FYI: [5]. Tiptoety ^talk 04:47, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Ah okay, thanks for letting me know. Equazcion ^(talk) 04:51, 27 Apr 2012 (UTC)

Nice to see...

... that you are still around. Every time I see a jerk in WP, I sigh and think ... "well, at least there are editors like Equazcion out there". But not enough of them. --Noleander (talk) 14:20, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Hehe thanks that's nice to hear. I was away for a while there, but couldn't get used to the lack of abuse. Glad to see you're still around too. Equazcion ^(talk) 17:06, 27 Apr 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Technical Barnstar
	I wanted to formally thank you for creating the CatListMainTalkLinks script I requested. It is a great improvement over the old category view. Kumioko (talk) 01:32, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Much appreciated. Good to know you're finding the script useful. I enjoyed making it, and learned more about jQuery and the MediaWiki API in the process (to make those damn red links :] ). Equazcion ^(talk) 05:44, 28 Apr 2012 (UTC)

• More accolades from me for a good job on your scripts. Well done.
  ⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 18:43, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Berean -- and may I say, cool signature you have there :) Equazcion ^(talk) 19:17, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
    • Kumioko alerted me to your script. I'm having a problem showing in red if the corresponding page has not been created yet. A category I'm looking at is: Category:Persondata templates without name parameter. Easily 1/4 of the talk pages listed haven't been created yet. I just get blue links. A script or gadget I have set causing a problem? Bgwhite (talk) 08:42, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
      • I'm not sure why that would be happening. Lots of red links show up for me at that page. Links will actually all show up blue at first, because the script takes a little time to check for the existence of pages -- but when the page stops loading, the links should turn red. I don't know offhand if any other script you have could be conflicting, but I would try (sort of guessing here) placing CatListMainTalkLinks at the very end of your vector.js page (after that onloadhook line), and do a Ctrl-F5 after performing that edit. If that doesn't work, come back and tell me, I can test using your installed scripts and see if I can find the problem. Equazcion ^(talk) 08:49, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
        • I made it so CatListMainTalkLinks was the only script in vector.js... It didn't help. I tried turning off gadgets from my preferences... It didn't help. I don't notice a category page loading any slower than a normal page, so I don't think your script is even running. Hmmm, I look at it some more later today. Off to file a sockpuppet report, oh joy. Bgwhite (talk) 20:09, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

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What do you think we should do about the OWS article? I'm kind of tired of it at the moment, but I don't think the article should be the result of aggressive editing practices by AKA and MadSci. I made a new draft which I think is better than the one they blanked. I'm leaning toward formal mediation. What do you think? B^e——C_ritical 18:04, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm pretty burned out on that myself. It's a shame but POV pushers just tend to want it more, and the system is inadvertently designed so those are the ones who get their way. Yeah, I said POV pushers. AKA predominately, with Amadsci more along for the ride, defending the other's moves in any way he can manage to grab hold of. I've attempted to keep the discussion on a more general level so the specifics can sort themselves out going forward, but the way the dispute has been going, it's more of a painstaking legal battle over the specifics of every single word, and that is just not what I'm at Wikipedia to deal with. It's also not even a long-term solution. Articles need to be able to change easily without that kind of ridiculous battle each time. If the discussion changes to the overarcing issue, I'll try to contribute. As it stands, I can't say what my involvement will be going forward, but if you start some process let me know. Equazcion ^(talk) 02:06, 30 Apr 2012 (UTC)

I'm planning to start a mediation. I would expect AKA to not participate much, and MadSci will be forced to actually name his issues, which can either be accommodated or the mediator should see they are false. That should create a fuller basis for our case that it is disruption next time aggressive POV pushing happens. But of course you're right that it is systemic in WP, and takes a great deal of dedication which only ideologues usually have. B^e——C_ritical 18:35, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

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3RR

You just did 4 reverts on the OWS article. You should undo your last one or risk being blocked. In any case, this is edit warring. The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous (talk) 00:23, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

I did two reverts, each of different edits. You, on the other hand, violated BRD by reverting my revert first. I'm tired of starting the D for you when you revert a revert. You're supposed to do that instead of reverting. So this time I reverted instead. Don't complain about other people's choices in how they deal with your poor editing practices. Fix yourself up and we'll talk. Equazcion ^(talk) 00:27, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Warning. It does appear that you have made 4 reverts in a 24 hr period.--Amadscientist (talk) 01:02, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

I haven't, as I explained above. Examine the edits. Equazcion ^(talk) 01:03, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

I need to at least inform you that I have filed a report at 3rr.--Amadscientist (talk) 01:25, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification. Equazcion ^(talk) 01:27, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

link--Amadscientist (talk) 01:37, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Broken reflinks

You may be about to fix these, in which case ignore this, but you recent condensing of a section in the hydraulic fracturing article resulted in a set of broken ref links. Mikenorton (talk) 22:17, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Those actually aren't broken ref links, but the opposite -- refs that are now named but not used in the article text. I'll comment them out soon. Thanks for the notification. Equazcion ^(talk) 22:24, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

You're right of course, but ugly nonetheless - thanks. Mikenorton (talk) 22:26, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

All done, no more ugly. Equazcion ^(talk) 22:34, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

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Hydraulic fracturing

It looks like there's a consensus for all parties to step back and avoid wholesale deletions for now, if you're still interested in taking on the task of summarizing the environmental section of the article on HF. I appreciate your commitment and patience, and hope that you can help get this article into the shape it needs to be in. Sindinero (talk) 10:07, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

I'll be starting that in full force after the weekend. I'm not sure if I have the time to do the entire environmental impact section myself. I had kind of suggested others help by summarizing paragraphs while not removing any of them; but since everyone seems to have put their faith in me as the neutral one, I'll give it a shot. Equazcion ^(talk) 14:35, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

I'll be happy to help, if others don't raise objections. Feel free to punt given subsections my way, as need be. Sindinero (talk) 15:06, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

User?

User:Encyclopedic Joshua.--Amadscientist (talk) 20:10, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

I noticed. I'd wait til there are article edits before doing anything. Equazcion ^(talk) 20:13, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

In case you missed it, this user was SPId after some reverts. There is an ANI discussion that links the discussion he attempted to me and then i commented that i had mentioned it to another editor (you) so I felt I should drop you a notice that there was a discussion on a topic that may be of interest to you at ANI.--Amadscientist (talk) 01:21, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I actually commented at the SPI already. Equazcion ^(talk) 01:34, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

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"10 times" explanation—technical server problem

Please blame your technical system. Every time I clicked "Save page" the message came up that the Wikipedia server is having technical difficulties—please try again in a few minutes. I am truly very sorry for the irritating annoyance inflicted on you people, but I had no response on my screen indicating that the message had been saved, and thus I had no way of knowing that it had been submitted 10 times. Not only that, but I myself had just now finished re-copying my posting-request in physically painful long-hand, with intention to attempt to resubmit it after exiting the system, hoping that the problem had finally been corrected, and when I accessed WP I saw the "You have new messages (last change)" alert. When I read your irritation and anger, I could only sympathize. Again, I am very sorry this happened to you and to me. I had no knowledge of the distress it caused you. I wasted about 2 hours, too, in effort and frustration, so perhaps we're somewhat equal in this. It was the system. Please, don't blame me. I would never have knowingly done such a thing. Respectfully, 75.162.4.130 (talk) 07:50, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

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References

Thanks. I found the text for the references. That makes it easier - I don't have to check to see if a ref has already been mentioned to use the abbreviated ref format. Also, references aren't completely lost if someone deletes their inline citation. Cool. Smm201`0 (talk) 04:00, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, list-defined references rule. I hope someone writes a bot that converts all articles that way. Equazcion ^(talk) 04:30, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

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Your revert!

I reverted what appeared to be a misclick of your use of rollback as that removed a comment of mine.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 21:03, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

It wasn't a misclick -- your edit accidentally removed most of of the page [6]. :) Equazcion ^(talk) 21:05, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for making me laugh. On my watchlist, I read it as "you pervert" which is probably what you meant to do. I need to use that from now on. I've also thought Equazcion was a little reverted. Thank you again for the laughs. Bgwhite (talk) 21:08, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

I noticed. I initiated rollback from my watchlist so I didn't the damage I inadvertently caused by doing so.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 22:26, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm guessing you weren't too confused, but...

After all the edit conflicts, I just hit end and pasted my comment at the bottom of the section. I don't think there was anything that would upset you specifically, but it ended up confusedly placed. --Onorem♠Dil 21:28, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

No worries, I didn't think that was directly in reply to me. :) Equazcion ^(talk) 21:34, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Signature

How did you get your signatures's time to be styled as well? (If it's something really complicated like .js, or .css, save the the hassle of explaining it to me by not doing so.) Thanks! Tboii99 ✉ 23:32, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

• My signature is stored at User:Equazcion/s. You can see the code that inserts the time stuff there.
• In preferences, my signature line reads {{subst:User:Equazcion/s}}.
• I then sign using ~~~ instead of ~~~~ (3 tildes instead of 4).

Putting my signature on a page allows it to be any length, instead of being limited by the preferences line. The time coding is pretty long, even though it only produces the regular time stamp. If you do this, you just need to make sure to keep the produced signature within the 255-character limit yourself though, or else people shout and scream. I think there's info on this method at WP:SIG (looks like there isn't). Feel free to ask again if you need clarification. Equazcion ^(talk) 23:39, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)(talk page stalker)There's a simple way to do that but keep in mind that you only have 27 characters left to do it with so you may have to sacrifice some of your signature.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 23:44, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

There are ways of shortening what he has there already though while producing the same visual. There are lots of extra spaces, for one. Equazcion ^(talk) 23:48, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Equazscion, I removed potential problems from your signature by changing the syntax of the signature for you. And yes, and can add a few extra characters to his sig by shaving off a few unnecessary ones.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 23:49, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure what that did but thanks. Safesubst continues to be a mystery to me. Equazcion ^(talk) 23:52, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Allow me to explain. Your current setup would work if always wanted to substitute that page containing your signature however, if you ever wanted to transclude it, the transclusion will fail and you will have an obscure looking code instead of the signature itself. Using safesubst prevents that by allowing transclusions in which safesubst does nothing and all and allows for substitution in which safesubst acts like subst.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 00:19, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

I see, even though I don't get why it would be a problem the way it was. But it doesn't matter much, thanks for the explanation. Equazcion ^(talk) 00:29, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Tboii99, I created User:Tboii99/s with a shortened version of your signature. It only produces 174 characters (without the time, which I don't think is included int he limit), so you'd have another 84 to style your time. Equazcion ^(talk) 00:06, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

As I was told by several editors, when customizing your time stamp, it does get included in the char count so, he does not have much wiggle room.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 00:19, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

I disagree, but even if you went by those editors, whoever they are, in that case he'd still have 55 characters to style the time stamp, which should be enough for a color/font change. Some creative coding might be needed, depending. I've been able to finagle desired changes before. Equazcion ^(talk) 00:26, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Those editors would be the majority of the community. Well respected admins became involved in a heated dispute about whether the timestamp is considered part of the signature if customized.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 00:48, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Well I still disagree :) (unless there's some technical concern I've missed) There's no reason the date should be included in the limit just because you're substing it yourself. The result is the same. I don't know when this discussion occurred or if a consensus came of it, but there's nothing in the guideline making that distinction right now. Besides, the limit is basically just an arbitrary line set to avoid super-long sigs that annoy people while editing. People aren't likely to be any more annoyed (or even notice) 26 extra characters. Equazcion ^(talk) 00:56, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Equazcion, where do you find a selection of fonts ? the lists that I can found a few days ago seem disorderly, and reverse searching doesn't seem to turn up anything but the vaguest of references to fonts like auntie Pesky and a few others use (I combined a few for a search to find the list). Also, where is the page for a list of my sub pages in userspace ? I always lose it. Penyulap ☏ 18:42, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Your subpages are at Special:PrefixIndex/User:Penyulap. If you ever need to find that again, just go to your contributions page, the link is at the bottom. A list of common web fonts is at Font family (HTML). Equazcion ^(talk) 19:32, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Equazcion. Hmm, I think there is scope for improvement in the font list area, I will chat about it on my talkpage though, INeverCry has mentioned it to me there as well. Penyulap ☏ 09:26, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I noticed there are several websafe fonts missing there. See also Core fonts for the Web. I'm not sure if that's a better list, but I think anything there will show up reliably in people's browsers. If you search Google for "web safe fonts" you'll see better information. I'm not sure if any source can reliably say which fonts are web-safe. It's a matter of collecting all the fonts that are common between the current major operating systems. Equazcion ^(talk) 09:33, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Hey, I just looked at your talk page, and I saw the User:Tboii99/s thing a looong time ago, but I thought that was done by mistake because I had already made one before that (User:Tboii99/sig), so I deleted the one you made because I didn't look at this until today. So, uuuhh, can you please do it again? Thanks and sorry for all the hassle. Oh, and I don't understand code that well yet, and so I didn't exactly understand what you did with your signature's time. Thanks again! Tboii99 ✉ 20:34, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

It's just a bunch of templates that insert the time. You don't need to understand it, just wrap that chunk of code in tags that style the time as you like. I re-created your /s page (before I realized you created a /sig page). Keep the character limit in mind though. Equazcion ^(talk) 20:54, 3 Jun 2012 (UTC)

Signature Issues

I am the new user who is experienceing signature issues. I removed the text that was in the box but it hasn't seemed to work. What could be the issue. I am going to provide an example of my signature issue by placing four tildes at the end of this sentence > DJ Mell Starr 14:33, 11 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJ Mell Starr (talk • contribs)

Do you have the little box checked under the text box? If so, try unchecking it, make sure text box is clear, then hit save. Equazcion ^(talk) 14:37, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

The Anti-Flame Barnstar

		The Anti-Flame Barnstar
		You should get a barnstar for your wonderful scripts and helping others with technical advice, but when I see the tech pump, it seems you are always one who stays calm and rational, especially with the watchlist fiasco. Thank You. Bgwhite (talk) 20:56, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Much appreciated. I'm actually not that calm though. I have a script that alters my comments to make it seem that way. Equazcion ^(talk) 22:45, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Where is the script? Oh boy, do I need it. Bgwhite (talk) 03:02, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Just copy Andy's script and change the parameters. Penyulap ☏ 06:43, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

I was kinda joking :) I don't know if such a script exists, but that would be interesting. Equazcion ^(talk) 06:51, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Well right now I'm swearing black and blue because you've expressed doubts over what I said, however it doesn't come out in text. I've also set it to cut down sarcasm quite a bit, as I get out of hand there. Sheer idiocy it has a problem with however. It seems whenever an update of the script is released, they invent a greater fool. Penyulap ☏ 09:05, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

A crap. I guess the script will never work for me. I have yet to see a bigger fool than me. Bgwhite (talk) 19:59, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

RemoveMarkAll.js and bold watchlist

I set down to figure out why the bolding of my watchlist stopped. If I remove RemoveMarkAll.js from my vector.js, bolding returns. I add the script back and the bolding disappears.

It does, very briefly, add bolding, but then it disappears after your scirpt loads. I load the bolding in my common.css Bgwhite (talk) 19:57, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, User:Equazcion/RemoveMarkAll is now meant to totally disable all the features on the Watchlist update (see the link). People who want the "Mark All" button removed generally also want everything related removed. If you're saying you want the button removed but not the bolding, I'm not sure what purpose that would serve (the button is in case you want to debold everything temporarily so new changes from now are highlighted), but if you still want some code to just remove the button lone, I can give you some code for that. Equazcion ^(talk) 20:04, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Ah, ok. I was under the impression from the pump page it just removed the button. It is nice to have the button removed to get more real estate, but it's not necessary to spend anytime on it... it is not remotely that big of a deal for me to spend your time on it. Besides, you probably have 20 great ideas to code up and not enough time to write them all. If you could create a button to make my wife disappear.... Bgwhite (talk) 22:15, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't take any time, it's just one line:

$('#mw-watchlist-resetbutton').remove();

You can add that right in your skin.js page, and the button will disappear. Your wife may take a bit more coding but I'll let you know if I come up with something. Equazcion ^(talk) 01:40, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello again.

Penyulap has presented you with the Donut of DOOM in the spirit of WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day a little more gothic. Bon appetit! Spread the smell of DOOM by adding {{subst:Give doom}}.

Thought you might be hungry after all that mediation :)

I'm working on a new award again :) quirky as usual :) It looked as if it disrupted Amadscientist's talkpage, I think maybe some style thingy wikicode whatsie or something. anyhow, the larger one with the black surround didn't really work here I think I need to add text onto the page for that.

Oh, you can comment on the taste here if you like :) Penyulap ☏ 14:58, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm not sure what you were trying to do with the black background so I can't really tell if it worked. I do see a black background there though. PS. You have an extraneous closing div tag at the end, I don't think that should be there. Equazcion ^(talk) 20:36, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

There are two kinds, one is a snack and one is an award I figure. There might be a flaming DoD later too, not sure. For both I figure on having one of the little preload talkpage things. I think I will possibly come up with a category of quirky things I come up with, I do have some strange works in the works :)

Hopefully not all of it will be deleted, but considering the pace I work at that's cool, culling out the crap is probably a good idea.

Black background may simply be me recycling code I think, I'm not brilliant at it yet :) one of the images has a black background the other is transparent. Penyulap ☏ 20:45, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Deviant...

Your help and advice was much appreciated (and taken). I left him a nice friendly message at his tp, very much heart-felt. INeverCry 06:42, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Glad I could help :) Equazcion ^(talk) 09:07, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks!

Sorry, I am a bit tired. Arcandam (talk) 05:30, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

No problem, I get tired myself sometimes. Not often, but it's happened. Equazcion ^(talk) 05:35, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Free advice: blame a minority! I do it all the time, it is really popular in my country. For example, 51% percent of the population of my country is female. That means the males are to blame. For everything. Arcandam (talk) 05:50, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Things pretty much go the same way in mine regardless of the population breakdown ;) Equazcion ^(talk) 05:56, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Whack!!!

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly.

- IDK how you managed to accidentally the vast majority of ANI while changing the header! Next time I think it might be a good idea to use the preview button hmm? Barts1a / Talk to me / Help me improve 22:34, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Never! Preview button is for wusses. I prefer to work without a net. Sure, I might sustain life-threatening injuries from time to time, but it's worth it to feel this alive. Or something. Equazcion ^(talk) 22:37, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

ANI header collapse

Can you tell me where the autocollapse was done? I find it annoying. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:14, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I just left you a message on your talk, let's continue there just to keep things together. Thanks. Equazcion ^(talk) 23:15, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Another script question

I have a question that I think is easy but not sure. I work a lot with Templates and many of them have sandboxes. I would like to add a tab, next to talk, for sandbox. This mostly applies to Templates but could also apply to other things like Users. Is that a very hard thing to do? Kumioko (talk) 02:51, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Not too difficult :) Add importScript('User:Equazcion/SandTab.js'); to your skin's .js page or your common.js page. I've only tested this in the Vector skin though. Equazcion ^(talk) 03:05, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

PS. The tab is added to the top-right tab group, next to the search bar. Equazcion ^(talk) 03:05, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

That works great. Thanks again. Kumioko (talk) 03:12, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Code for Faded old (custom watchlist)?

Hi Equazcion, I was wondering what the code was to the faded old changes option that you put up an image for on the requests for comments. I'm using Modern, and customized my watchlist to do stars and bold, but I'd like to add the faded as well (why not?). Thanks! – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 05:08, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

The code is at User:Equazcion/ReverseMarked.js (add importScript('User:Equazcion/ReverseMarked.js'); to your skin's .js page or your common.js page).

I'm not sure if this'll work for you as-is though, cause a) I only tested in Vector, and b) it might replace your bold/stars (instead of combine with it). Let me know what happens, if you do try it. G'luck :) Equazcion ^(talk) 08:12, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks so much! It does indeed work. I added the importScript line to my skin's .js, but kept the star/bold code on my skin's .css page and the two combine nicely. I actually removed the bold for now, though I may go back and forth on it. Wonderful, I appreciate it! – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 08:57, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Good to know that works, thanks for letting me know; and you're welcome :) Equazcion ^(talk) 09:03, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Help Desk talkback: you've got messages!

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Black Grape Global

Hi Equazcion, I wonder if you could help or advise me please. I placed an article on a company called Black Grape Global on Wikipedia a few days ago. Before doing so I reviewed the submission to Wikipedia for SYCO, a much more substantial company but one also operating in the entertainment industry. My article almost immediately attracted a multiple issues tag as you can see and I have been talking with Hghyux who put it there to better understand why it was put there.

Hghyux has only made one constructive suggestion I feel, and has given no clue as to how he has arrived at his point of view. The one constructive suggestion in my opinion is that I get someone else to review the article. I came across some examples of how you have assisted others and wondered if you would be so kind as to let me know what you think of the Black Grape Global article please?

If I do not agree with the view and the marker put there by Hghyux, is it within protocol for me to remove it? It is not really a matter of life and death and I can see life passing me by as I try to get on to Hghyux's wavelength. There has been no reply to my last comment and I note that there is mention that this person is not well, so I don't really want to press for a response.

I look forward to hearing from you. Please put a notification on my talk page should you reply to this.

Thank you --Idtenti (talk) 17:32, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

You should probably wait for someone else to remove a tag like COI (or request it of someone else, as you've done here). The article did show the problems in the tag. It's hard to offer feedback on why the article was a problem, but basically, it read like a press release or resume, highlighting and embellishing positive aspects with flowery phrases. I've gone ahead and edited it to address those issues, and removed the tag, though someone else may still replace it if they still see problems. We'll see what happens. Equazcion ^(talk) 17:52, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much for looking at the article and the editing that you have done. It gets the information across very efficiently and I can see now what the problems were that prompted the tag. I have had these observations about my writing style ever since my early school days; I should be writing novels not encyclopaedic contributions I guess. Once again I really appreciate your help and your generosity in sharing your experience. (too flowery a thank you maybe, but genuine nevertheless)--Idtenti (talk) 22:57, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Ha no not at all, you can be as flowery as you want in your communication with others here. As long as it doesn't make its way into articles (especially articles about a company you're involved in, which is asking for trouble here) you're fine. Anyway you're quite welcome, I'm glad I could help. Equazcion ^(talk) 00:50, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Flowery it is then...by the way I used to be a promoter of concerts in Spain and although retired I do keep up with developments in the music industry especially around Jazz, Urban and Latin music. I do track the activities of Black Grape Global and their projects and they know it; but I am not involved with or contracted to them as such.--Idtenti (talk) 10:58, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Graphic Co-Designer's Barnstar
	For co-designing my proposed Commonwealth Barnstar(Award or whatever) StrikeEagle ✈ 09:20, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't know how much designing I did, but thanks :) Equazcion ^(talk) 09:23, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Yeah..that's why it is Co-Designer!.....however..your fixes made the award look much better. StrikeEagle ^✈ 09:28, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Minor barnstar
	Thanks for your help in fixing the sorting of dates in sortable tables! :) Salvidrim! 16:11, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm glad you dug up this apparently neglected feature so it can be addressed. Equazcion ^(talk) 16:19, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

List of deprecated terms for diseases

I appreciate your enthusiasm, but as I mentioned, it was my intention to expand the article significantly before taking it public. It was also my intention to think a bit on how best to add links to this list from other articles. I know that even user pages are open to editing by anyone, but it seems a little forward to move someone else's work without asking first, particularly as I was actively editing it. Matt Deres (talk) 16:13, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, I'm sorry for my apparent presumption. From your help desk post, it seemed more like you were hesitant to move it out of uncertainty, as opposed to purposely waiting. Though I'll say that since everyone who came to comment seemed to think it was already prime for article space, there was no reason to keep it in userspace. Now it's more visible, so more people can help with your expansion. That's what the wiki is for, and I don't really see a downside. In fact I think keeping it "for yourself", as it were, would've been a disservice... although there's no policy prohibiting it, so to each their own. Equazcion ^(talk) 16:23, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

It wasn't my intention to keep it for myself, just to keep it off radar for a bit while it was under construction. Matt Deres (talk) 17:05, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

The nature of this place is that once you pass notability, the "under construction" phase doesn't really exist. Or rather, everything is constantly under construction, but that's more aptly done live. There's no benefit to keeping it in userspace (except maybe pride at presenting a glossy 'finished' product). I wouldn't have moved it, had I known you actually didn't want it moved; I'm just saying, you might want to reconsider your feelings about that. I like the article idea a lot and it seems others do too. Best to share it as soon as possible, no? :) Equazcion ^(talk) 17:21, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

There's no time limit. :) Matt Deres (talk) 17:38, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

This isn't a policy discussion. I never said you were required to do anything within any limit. I'm only asking you to think about how soon you would like to share something that's proved to be of interest to others. Good luck though. Equazcion ^(talk) 17:40, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Template:Noticeboard links

Why did you add Template:Skip to bottom to this template? It messes up my user page layout so I have to either remove the template from it or revert your change. Please consider reverting it yourself. Targaryen^{speak or forever remain silent} 19:51, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I added it because I knew it would mess up your user page. I should think that would be obvious. ;)

Could you tell me how exactly it messes up your user page? I'd rather tweak it than remove it, because on the process pages it's meant to go on it can be rather useful. Thanks. Equazcion ^(talk) 00:50, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

I re-added skip-to-bottom with an option to hide it, and changed the invocation on your page to use the new option. Any more problems let me know. Equazcion ^(talk) 01:58, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Targaryen^{speak or forever remain silent} 13:34, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism

Do join the stalker brigade then and follow me around and criticize my every move. NOT. Yworo (talk) 04:20, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

WP:AGF (ironic that you'd follow me here to make that particular type of accusation). You appear to think everyone has it in for you just because they didn't see things your way at ANI. Frankly you're not important enough for anyone at that discussion to devote time to following, even if they were prone to that sort of behavior; so don't worry. Equazcion ^(talk) 04:28, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I see, one has to be "important" to be taken seriously on AN/I. I guess Wikignomes need not apply. Bye. Yworo (talk) 04:41, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Not exactly. It's just that one would need to have done worse things than you have, in order to constitute a threat that experienced editors would devote time towards keeping a close watch on. Equazcion ^(talk) 04:50, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Ha

Thanks for the laugh. :) -Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 18:31, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

I try :) Equazcion ^(talk) 19:51, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

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images and hovering

Oh wise one, can one image change to another when the mouse hovers? or any such thing ? Penyulap ☏ 06:48, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't think we can do that right now. It's probably an accessibility issue. Nothing that relies on client-side javascript to display content is considered viable. The only reason collapsible text sections are allowed is because it's set up so that without javascript, the boxes are shown expanded. I'm not sure how that could work with scripted image swaps. Closest thing we have is animated GIFs. Equazcion ^(talk) 06:59, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

I can use my penyulap skills to predict when an editor will hover over the text, and adjust the timing of the gif no problem, but the server lag and load times are the killer. hmm Penyulap ☏ 07:26, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Image preload has been proposed before, not sure what came of it. Equazcion ^(talk) 07:28, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Adding "stb" to "auto archiving notice" template??

Hi. It appears that you added some code to the {{Auto archiving notice}} template that automatically includes an {{stb}} (skip to bottom) to the page. I do see there is a new "nostb" parameter to disable this addition, but I'm concerned because this change was unexpected, not discussed beforehand at all as far as I can tell, and the {{Auto archiving notice}} template seems like a very counterintuitive place to put such a thing. It took me at least half an hour of searching through all the templates that were being transcluded into my talk page before I finally managed to find your addition (and discover how to disable it, because I already have "top icons" on my talk page and do not want these to be stomped on by the new "skip to" links). I would strongly recommend removing this new feature from the {{Auto archiving notice}} template until such time (if ever) that a discussion results in a broader consensus to add it. — Richwales 01:47, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

I was debating which template would most commonly appear on discussion pages that became long, ie. where "skip to" links would be useful. {{Auto archiving notice}} seemed like the one. I knew it would likely piss someone off who was looking for what caused the links, but I didn't know where to post the change. Looking back I guess one of the village pump pages would've been good; although I also didn't want to start a whole big debate about such a tiny thing. People tend to get twitchy and closedminded about broad changes and that often blocks progress. I don't care enough about it at the moment to go through the convincing that'll be necessary. I've done it before and have a good chance at winning, but in the meantime it takes up a lot of time and blood pressure. So I'll leave it up to whoever reverts the change. If you want to, feel free. Or if you don't want to do it yourself and would rather someone else do it, just announce the change on VP and someone will likely revert it for you. Equazcion ^(talk) 02:00, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for replying so quickly. I went ahead and reverted your change to the template. I understand something like this might be useful, but I also feel strongly that a highly visible change of this sort needs to be discussed beforehand and supported by a credible consensus before being implemented. If this does get added back, I would propose that the default should be to have it disabled, and that a parameter (stb=yes or nostb=no) should be required in order to enable it. — Richwales 02:18, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

The purpose of adding it this way was that it would automatically appear on pages that tended to get long. Otherwise there's no reason to add it back at all (side note, if default-off were still useful it could really be added back right now, shouldn't be controversial). Without default-on we'd just as well leave it to people to add {{stb}} separately if they want. Equazcion ^(talk) 02:25, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

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Code?

Hello, Equazcion/Archive 7. Can you kindly say what is the code for personally enabling the watchlist with green stars? Dipankan ^{(Have a chat?)} 10:24, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

This one.....

Edit your common.css page, and add the following:

span.updatedmarker {
    background-color: transparent;
    color: #006400;
}
strong.mw-watched a {
    font-weight: normal;
    background: url(//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Pentagram_dis.svg/13px-Pentagram_dis.svg.png) no-repeat left;
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}

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Discuss before making content changes

Please use Wikipedia_talk:Wikiquette_assistance to discuss changing the consensus of how WQA should operate before changing the header. Nobody Ent 09:15, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

I didn't change how it operates, other than to switch the creation of new requests to a link instead of a button, like on other noticeboards. You had expressed concern over the ANI header being too bloated, but this one is in far worse shape. It's a wall of text and I'd be surprised if anyone reads it beyond a skim. Anything in particular you didn't like about the change? Equazcion ^(talk) 15:32, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

vector

Hi, i am not getting, what is this. can you fix the problem.also let me know what kind of software it is and how it works. cheers 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS (talk) 12:32, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

That's a place where you can put Javascript scripts for your account. See WP:US for details. It looks like you had one script there and then removed it. There's nothing to fix right now -- nothing's wrong, except that it's empty. I can't edit the page for you, because only you're allowed to edit it. Equazcion ^(talk) 15:37, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Reverting Your Reverts of My Contributions on Occupy Wall Street

As what you realized I didn't revert your revert of my contributions about nine to ten hours ago; I decided to place a dispute and now I'm feeling after reading through your history on your Talk Page, I feel the need to revert your revert of my contributions. I don't know what your conflict is with "CentristFiasco" or any user you accuse of being him but if actually look past your own bias, you'll find that his contributions as of late is actually good for the Article. I admit I disagree with some of the content presented in the contribution he made a couple of weeks ago, and that's why I didn't include it in my contribution. I simply touched upon it in a reasonable manner that complies with the Neutral Point of View Wikipedian Guideline. There is no need for you to hold such a grudge on a banned user and if he does come back, there is definitely no need to quickly revert his contributions with your only justification to be "rv sock" or something on the likes of that. It seems that you have nothing to say when he appears anymore and for all we know, you could be reverting and claiming sockpuppetry to random individuals that you think is CentristFiasco. This is a warning to you that your behavior thus far is a sign of poor judgement; thus, I cannot stand by and let you revert my contributions because of your personal vendetta with CentristFiasco. I reckon that you take a break from the Occupy Wall Street Article for awhile, pal, put it off your watchlist and settle down for at least a full week. Come back on June 8, 2012 and see how you feel, it's obvious that CentristFiasco's past has gotten to you. :) Publis the Second (talk) 12:15, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Wow ! you seem to know a lot for someone who signed up an account just today, hey have you ever edited before by chance ? :) Penyulap ☏ 12:39, 1 Jun 2012 (UTC)

Even if you weren't CentristFiasco, everyone would be reverting you based on your identically poor grasp of the English language that drastically lowered the quality of the article, and your original claims about OWS. After you get blocked again, you should get some English tutoring. It might help your next sock stay afloat a bit longer (but not much). Equazcion ^(talk) 14:04, 1 Jun 2012 (UTC)

Aww come on Equazcion, that's beneath even you. What did they teach you in school ? how to speak english and bark like a dog I expect :) I would have helped him, and supported him with that infobox, it just needed more cowbell. That was all, just a little more cowbell and I would have been behind him 100%. I hope he reads this, cause when he gets back, you're going down !!! you hear me, you're going down !!!! (to the sound of a LOT more cowbell !!! :) Penyulap ☏ 14:48, 1 Jun 2012 (UTC)

I'm no stranger to helping editors who make mistakes. Errors are okay, but repeated errors + absolute confidence = fail. Equazcion ^(talk) 15:15, 1 Jun 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, true, I don't mind the errors myself, but that article has only enough room for one diva. 8-) Penyulap ☏ 15:24, 1 Jun 2012 (UTC)

Diva or Devo?  :) Dreadstar ☥ 19:02, 1 June 2012 (UTC) - PS,let me know if this ever occurs, I'll be happy to help play Whac-A-Mole on that.

Hi there

Hi, Equazcion. I noticed your comments at the help desk re ANI archiving, and have replied there. I also wanted to respond to your collapse of the corresponding thread at ANI. I know you did that with the best of intentions, but I'm afraid I didn't find that a helpful action at this point, for several reasons.

First, IP 209.6.69.227 who'd just come off the block he received in that self-same thread was continuing to post to it, in the same (imo) disruptive way that got him blocked on a different page, two days previously. Your collapse encompassed comments he'd just added to the thread, and incorporated some disruption that I reverted there, too, e.g. the late addition of a derisively named subheading immediately above another's post in a way that made it look like the subheading had been added by that other.

Second, the thread and particular segments within it are linked-to from other talk pages, and collapsing it made those links inoperable.

Third, when someone is blocked in an ANI thread, it's my opinion that the thread should be able to be found by a search of the ANI archives. As you probably know, only the level two heading/title beneath which a thread is collapsed is accessible via our search site-wide search facility, via a page-specific "search the archives" box, or via an individual's in-browser "find this text" function. Since the heading/title says nothing about the IP that was blocked, it would be very difficult to discover the thread that led to his block by searching archives, e.g. just for his IP address, or a timestamp. You'd only find it via your in-browser search feature if you knew the thread name in advance, and first clicked on the "show" toggle for the collapse. It appears to be a long-term static IP, btw, so the ability to search for it isn't irrelevant.

Fourth, the admin who blocked the IP in the first place, The Blade of the Northern Lights, will want to see the IP's new, just-off-a-block behaviour in that thread. I'm about to leave a comment on his talk to ask him to review that, and he may want to comment there, in the ANI thread, again, himself.

Btw, I couldn't find anywhere in ANI page history where the thread had been collapsed previously. Perhaps I just missed that? I'd have no objection to the use of {{Archive top}} at this point, though, since that retains the ability to see the text and subsections, but please don't reinstate the collapse, per WP:RTP which states that if an editor objects to a refactor, it should be reverted. Nothing remotely personal, of course, and as I said (or meant to say, I forget now) in one of my edit summaries, I do recognise that your intention was merely to help "curate" the thread, and I thank you for that intention. I'm off to post at the blocking admin's talk page, now. Best regards, --OhioStandard (talk) 17:35, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Rschen collapsed it here. Site search does pick up things not in headers, even collapsed text, eg. here -- see the Village pump proposals result, which has picked up "lorem ipsum" and "resulting" in the body of a collapsed section. Bad behavior isn't generally worth keeping visible just for evidence sake, as it can be referred to later just as easily. I don't particularly care either way though. I found the archiving issue and have posted regarding that at help desk. Equazcion ^(talk) 17:44, 3 Jun 2012 (UTC)

Just noticed your archiving fix a few moments ago; thanks. I've also just posted to admin GB fan's talk about the IP; GB had momentarily reinstated your collapse, and then immediately reverted himself. I still haven't posted to admin Blade's talk yet; I keep getting distracted, but will do momentarily. Thanks also for your correction re site search, although I note that in your example it's still a pain to find the target text. One has to find the correct collapsed section (there are likely to be multiple ones, in an archive), uncollapse it, and them plug the search phrase back into one's "find text on this page" browser function. Also it can't be linked to, eg via a subsection or anchor. Anyway, thanks again for your archiving fix; let's see what Blade wants to do with the ANI thread, once he's back online. --OhioStandard (talk) 18:38, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Good catch

On the ANI archiving. Nobody Ent 03:56, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I try :) Equazcion ^(talk) 04:04, 6 Jun 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Environmental Barnstar
		I notice that you still did not receive a descent acknowledgment for your excellent work on summarizing the Environmental impact section of the Hydraulic fracturing article. Hereby I, Beagel, award you this Environmental Barnstar for your calm and balanced actions on this overheated topic. I hope you will still find a time to help improving the Hydraulic fracturing and its related articles. Thank you. Beagel (talk) 12:16, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks man (or woman) :) Equazcion ^(talk) 14:59, 7 Jun 2012 (UTC)

Eighty twenty

well, as you may know, it is my substitute for arguing, and it has many advantages, hey, what I was just thinking, as there are images in the banner and it would look a bit better with something nice there, you know, suggesting it's not 99% arguing and 1% editing :) do you think it would help to have a still image of the little guy, or even just his free hand moving ? lighten up the all the hostility between the editors a bit ? Just a thought. Penyulap ☏ 21:56, 7 Jun 2012 (UTC)

Serious topics don't warrant cutesy additions just to lighten the mood. Humorous topics? Maybe. I'd say animations should never be added to anything that's transcluded though (except maybe userpage fodder). You may want to go to VP and suggest an added pillar, like "One of Wikipedia's goals is to make people feel happy by providing pleasing visuals in trying situations". Til then I think we should skip adding smiley faces to the anti-corporate political movement. Equazcion ^(talk) 22:05, 7 Jun 2012 (UTC)

Thanks...

I don't know what happend, but thanks for this. I was quite surprised when I found the revert in my contributions - must have been fat fingers on the track pad. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 06:47, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Hehe no problem, I've done the accidental rollback click so many times I'm lucky they haven't taken it away yet :) Equazcion ^(talk) 08:24, 14 Jun 2012 (UTC)

Hey!

Here you go !! http://thewik.net/index.php/Main_Page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.139.70.252 (talk) 08:22, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Ha okay I'll bite, what is that? Equazcion ^(talk) 08:25, 14 Jun 2012 (UTC)

we have to talk there, otherwise my friend can't keep up. It is serious, and I would like your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.139.70.252 (talk) 08:48, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

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Old user warnings

Template:wan can now deal with multiple archive pages. That's great, but in the process the extremely useful feature of a redlink to the archive page for a previously unarchived page has been lost. Any chance of restoring this? Also, I am not sure that the link to the archiving help page adds value. At least, not when it is so prominent and called "archives". We have only recently got rid of this nuisance on template:Archive box which was forever fooling people into thinking they would get the actual archives by following that link. SpinningSpark 00:16, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

I implemented both of your suggestions. For the red link, I modified {{archive list long inline}} (which I created only recently to accommodate this template, so it shouldn't produce any unintended behavior in established templates) so that it produces a link to Archive 1 even when none exists. Equazcion ^(talk) 00:27, 16 Jun 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I haven't had cause to use it again yet but I'm sure it will be fine. SpinningSpark 07:46, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Ping

• User_talk:Jc37#Categorization_Noticeboard_format

ping : ) - jc37 23:04, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

New reply! Heads up!

A new reply has been posted here Wikipedia:Help_desk#Wikifrustrated.21_I_want_to_create_a_template.21 --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:22, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

I have posted in talk page too Template_talk:User_frustrated#bgcolor! --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:25, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Heads up again! New reply in template talk page! --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:38, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

No need to let me know here, I see your replies :) Thanks though. Equazcion ^(talk) 05:41, 18 Jun 2012 (UTC)

Content creativity barnstar!

		The Content Creativity Barnstar
		You get this barnstar for creating Template:User frustrated! Keep up great work! --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:41, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks :) Much appreciated. Equazcion ^(talk) 05:41, 18 Jun 2012 (UTC)

BLPN-notice

I've mentioned you as starting up the BLPN-notice template at WP:BLPN#Chris Rogers. I've started up a section on the talk page about it WT:BLPN#BLPN-notice as another editor seems to be vehemently against informing editors. Dmcq (talk) 13:58, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, Dmcq :) I responded at the talk page. Equazcion ^(talk) 19:30, 21 Jun 2012 (UTC)

unfair removal of picture from electronic cigarette article

you removed a picture of an electronic cigarette - this is unjust as every other picture on the page has branding on it...I will remove the Vapestick name from the caption, but the picture, in the name of objective fairness is valid as it uses the latest 4th generation electronic cigarette technology. Other brands are present on tbe page, albeit surreptitiously . Iam not promoting or advertising the brand, just including it as an example of the new technology available. I do not work for, am not employed by or have any professional association with Vapestick...I am simply a satisfied customer. There is no contravention of the Wikipedia rules on advertising - but there are several other pics ont he page which prominently feature brand names and this is simply unjust. This picture is my copyright and I am free to post it as I have on other social media sites.

Thanks

Alex — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexbartman (talk • contribs) 13:57, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

There are several other similar photos on the page, and yours doesn't seem to add much. If there's a reliable source describing the "generations" of electronic cigarettes, and saying yours is the fourth, there's a chance I might be swayed by your argument; but I'm sure there are lots of new brands who tweak electronic cigarette designs and make similar claims ("the next generation of..." being a pretty common promotional thing). Even if your claim were verifiable, your photo doesn't even illustrate how this "new generation" differs from the others.Equazcion ^(talk) 14:30, 22 Jun 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your help

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		For taking the initiative to create a tool for preset custom edit summaries, and especially for your readiness to help, I thank you. -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:22, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Much appreciated, and glad I could help :) Equazcion ^(talk) 23:35, 23 Jun 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks

I thank you for your edit summary tool. I came across it at the village pump and it has been very helpful. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 01:40, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

No problem, good to know people are finding it useful :) Equazcion ^(talk) 01:48, 28 Jun 2012 (UTC)

Teahouse barnstar

	Teahouse Barnstar
	Thanks for your contributions to the Teahouse project - your thoughts, code, and help giving more new editors access to the space are all deeply appreciated. I love the reply gadget idea, hope we can move it forward! Sbouterse (WMF) (talk) 22:35, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! This is deeply appreciated. I just hope the gadget can be made viable enough for enabling, either by myself or others. Equazcion ^(talk) 23:56, 29 Jun 2012 (UTC)

Moved Teahouse gadget discussion

moved this to Wikipedia talk:Teahouse#Response gadget based on a request there - Equazcion ^(talk) 17:41, 30 Jun 2012 (UTC)

Tool not working again.

Your tool stopped working again.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 17:38, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Agreed, now it reads "(NaN minutes, NaN seconds)" OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 18:42, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, I'll work on correcting it for the next database lag :) Equazcion ^(talk) 17:28, 3 Jul 2012 (UTC)

It should be corrected now. Equazcion ^(talk) 00:13, 4 Jul 2012 (UTC)

Replied

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Arbitration threading

I was midst unthreading the Civility enforcement discussion, when you did much the same thing with your statement. We edit conflicted, and whilst I think I have restored what you did, I might have missed something. If that is the case, please accept my apologies. --Alexandr Dmitri (talk) 12:47, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

It's no problem, I noticed what happened and your restoration afterwards, which fixed everything. I appreciate the notice, thanks :) Equazcion ^(talk) 12:49, 6 Jul 2012 (UTC)

Opinion?

I don't think we've met but I've seen you around; most recently at Arbitration/Requests. I'm discussing the behavior of a couple of admins here. If you have the interest and time to form an opinion on the situation, I'd very much like to hear it, but I won't be a bit offended if you'd rather not. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 13:09, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

I commented there, hope it helps :) Equazcion ^(talk) 13:38, 7 Jul 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I haven't seen it yet. And thanks for the custom edit summary script. I've been copy/pasting edit summaries from a notebook document. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 13:42, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

No problem, and I'm glad you're finding the script useful :) Equazcion ^(talk) 13:48, 7 Jul 2012 (UTC)

I haven't used it yet. I'll let you know how I get on. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 13:52, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. I'll just address your first paragraph here. Don't feel under any obligation to continue this discussion if you don't feel like it, or have anything to add, and I'll do the same. So, you're seeing them waltzing about this place with Coca Cola in their username as analogous to adveritsing? Like posters on the side of a bus? I hadn't really considered that aspect. I suppose there is an element of that. But I don't think that harm outweighs the value in having the editor clearly and honestly identifying their CoI. And I've seen very good content added to articles by CoI editors, once they're calmly and helpfully indoctrinated regarding our norms. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 14:05, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

"So, you're seeing them waltzing about this place with Coca Cola in their username as analogous to adveritsing?" -- No, it's not that. Their motivation for being here is just all wrong. I've personally dealt with many of them. You can go through a spiel about COI with them and they may get it, but their reason for being here is still all wrong, even though they may learn how to avoid rule-breaking. I think the block + name change sends an important message that talking might not: We don't want people coming here to help their businesses; if you decide to stay, it's because you want to do other things.

Regardless, even if talking could send the same message, a temporary block til the name is changed is, I think, our best method of assuring these people will tend to have their misconceptions corrected as early as possible, in terms of a large-scale and long-term solution. I think we need to be thinking along those lines, since the incidence of this is ramping up. It's great that you've seen ones that turn out okay with the right help, but there's no reason to think all or even even most of these COIs coming in every day will be going through that same "calm indoctrination". Equazcion ^(talk) 16:04, 7 Jul 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm conscious I don't know what it's like at that particular coal face. And that js is perfect. Thanks again. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 12:28, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Hugz

	Thank you for communicating
	Bad Wolfie didn't mean to do bad :o( Hugz! Pesky (talk) 06:26, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Small ambox

Following from the brief discussion on the village pump last month I wanted to inform you about a proposal I have made. Although not all participants of that discussion were fans of the small format, one of the main criticisms put forward was the lack of consistency in current usage. My proposal may help improve this. We could also continue discussion on adjusting the styling of these boxes. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:15, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank You

As usual, you show up to save the day when something changes with the watchlist code. Thank you. Thank you for keeping Wikipedia:Customizing watchlists updated. Bgwhite (talk) 19:47, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

No problem :) I just fixed my scripts and the customization page though. User:Jarry1250 is to thank for reverting the default style for everyone, as that was the primary thing that needed to be done (I would've done that too but I'm not an admin). Equazcion ^(talk) 19:54, 16 Jul 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I saw you commanding me. I get enough commanding from my wife. You are still one to thank as you do the scripts and you do update the customization page. Bgwhite (talk) 20:03, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Well then I'll still accept and appreciate the thanks :) Equazcion ^(talk) 20:07, 16 Jul 2012 (UTC)

Watchlist

I fixed the code now when you answered someone else's question with the same problem I had. How do I restore the button?—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 20:21, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

You can restore the button with this: .mw-special-Watchlist #mw-watchlist-resetbutton {display: inline;} Equazcion ^(talk) 20:23, 16 Jul 2012 (UTC)

My watchlist is as before. Thank you.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 20:36, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Wetlands

I am working on editing pages, but still learning how to talk to other Wikipedians.

I accept your current version of Wetlands. (I missed that the the world's largest wetlands were still there when I reverted.) But, I cannot find a single source that says there are only three types of wetlands. What are they? If you give me a reference, I will read it. I am not sure why you have chosen to change this. Every book I have says four and maybe six. All the others are sub-types that fall under the four main types.

Regards, Dignity Sun 53DignitySun53 (talk) 23:31, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm basing this more on the edit history of the article. It's been pretty rough. When I first looked at the article it was a mess due to everyone's arguments and compromises to include all differing opinions. I think it's better to keep the language inclusive (as in, "here are some primary wetland types"), rather than exclusive (declaring a number with finality, like "there are four and here they are:"), since that can easily become a subject of contention in the future again. The "maybe six" is already a reason not to declare "four" anywhere, and I'd actually like to remove the claim of "four" from the other wetland articles due to that. Wetland types and even the definition of "wetland" itself just isn't an exact-enough science with broadly accepted parameters (yet), such that we could easily state hard classifications most experts would agree on. Equazcion ^(talk) 00:02, 20 Jul 2012 (UTC)

The Wetlands article is a mess. I was planning a whole sale revision later this summer. This is a field in which I have considerable training and experience. I decided to start simply, by first addressing definitions and basic types of wetlands. And then by addressing some of linked pages, like aquatic plant, aerenchyma, bog, fen, peat, etc. The four types of wetlands are the most basic fundamentals of the field. Read the main references I cited if you disagree. Or, cite some counter references. "Wetland types and even the definition of "wetland" itself just isn't an exact-enough science with broadly accepted parameters (yet), such that we could easily state hard classifications most experts would agree on." This is simply wrong. There are basic principles in wetlands, just like in physics and chemistry. Too much of the current web page has been contributed by people who don't seem to have any real knowledge. (Too many vandals, too.) My reaction is this If someone knowledgeable in the field (with nearly a thousand edits on wetland related pages) is not even going to be allowed (or trusted) to state the basic principles from the first chapter of a standard reference work by Cambridge University Press, what is the point on trying to fix the rest of the article? As for you saying that you might go to the four main wetland pages (swamp, bog, marsh, fen) that I have fixed, and suggesting you are going to undo my work there, that is truly discouraging. It makes me feel like what is the point? If you want this wetlands page fixed, properly, please give me some encouragement, or at least read the references I cite before undoing my work. Or, better still, promise to guard my back from the ill-informed counter-edits I will likely encounter. DignitySun53 (talk) 17:22, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure why it's so important to state definitively how many primary types there are, in any article, especially when you acknowledge that the main wetland article would need to state as a caveat that not all experts agree on the number. I didn't say I would undo your fixes (how ever many you made), but only the insertion of that claim alone; and is that really a "fix" to begin with? If you're knowledgeable in the field, it's great that you've taken an interest, and I don't mean to be discouraging; but common sense does tell me that stating this number in all these articles isn't a great idea. I'm not sure why you're so adamant to keep it in. Removing it really doesn't take anything away from the information presented. Equazcion ^(talk) 00:27, 22 Jul 2012 (UTC)

If I were to write that there are four fundamental forces in physics, with a reference to a standard physics text, no one (I hope) would presume to revise the page and suggest that it is just a matter of opinion. Equally, there are four main kinds of wetlands, and there are subtypes within these. I could cite other books, but do not want to load the page with citations. It is an issue because if one takes the time to read the scholarly work in the field, and then the effort to put the material into Wikipedia, one tires of people who revert edits without citing any references to justify their actions. Life is short, time is precious. Unless you can cite specific counter-references to authoritative texts, further edits simply contribute to the constant minor changes that have made this page the mess it is. This page needs major work. But I have no desire to put more effort into bringing organization to that page if I am simply going to get people changing referenced text to non-referenced unsubstantiated opinion. This is nothing personal, Equazcion, just that there are only so many hours in a day. DignitySun53 (talk) 00:41, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

User:Equazcion/SidebarTranslate

There is a thread at Talk:Main Page#Gadgets and scripts where someone pointed out your script at User:Equazcion/SidebarTranslate. I commented here saying that I'd not heard of that script before, though it is exactly what I was looking for. How many people are using it, and can you think of places where it could be more widely publicised? Do you think there is any chance it could be implemented by default or as a gadget one day? Carcharoth (talk) 07:41, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

It's actually not my script. I had found it and saw a couple of issues so I made some fixes and added the option to change the Google Translate link text. You can take a look at the "Credit" section of that page, as several people have written/modified it over time. This might show you a rough picture of how many people are using the script, though I'm not sure if that search string is really picking up all of them. I think it would be an excellent idea to implement it as a gadget, and yes there's a very good chance of that happening -- a very good many if not most active editors at English Wikipedia are probably native English speakers who wouldn't use interwiki links the way they were intended (ie. for speakers of those languages to spot their own language). I'm not quite sure where to advertise it; I've actually been trying to think of ways to advertise popular scripts in general, since it seems like people don't find the script listing page easily. Equazcion ^(talk) 08:49, 21 Jul 2012 (UTC)

Glitch with ActiveWatchers.js?

Regarding User:Equazcion/ActiveWatchers.js, it seems to generate the "Active" link in the wrong spot. I have the default skin, and if I open the History tab of an article, it gives me "External tools: Revision history search · Contributors · User edits · Number of watchers: All · Page view statistics / Active" instead of "External tools: Revision history search · Contributors · User edits · Number of watchers: All / Active · Page view statistics". Is something the matter at my end? Other than that, from one programmer to another, congratulations on your scripting skills. :) Jesse V. (talk) 06:14, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. It looks like that tools menu changed recently, so it wasn't just you. I tweaked the script and it looks like things are back to where they should be. Let me know if you still see any issues :) Equazcion ^(talk) 06:36, 28 Jul 2012 (UTC)

Appears to have been fixed after I refreshed the page. Thanks! :) Jesse V. (talk) 15:54, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Teahouse response gadget

Hi Equazcion, I'm wondering if anything new is happening with your awesome Teahouse response gadget! I've still got it installed, and had almost forgotten that most guests aren't able to reap its benefits yet, until this question reminded me :-) Since you've already got the single indent working, are you still thinking to get it packaged up as a full on gadget and have an admin default enable it? Hope things are all good with you! Siko (talk) 22:48, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad you like the gadget so much :) I've just posted a request here: Wikipedia talk:Gadget#Teahouse Response gadget. If there are a few people who've had it working for a while and can attest to no issues (at that thread), that would probably help. I'll leave this posted for a couple days and then contact some admins directly. Equazcion ^(talk) 15:00, 10 Aug 2012 (UTC)

Input needed at RfC

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WP:SPI and WP:WER need you

A recent discussion at Wikipedia WikiProject Editor Retention has been disussing the need for members with abilities such as yours at spotting and identifying Sock Puppets. I suggested your name to User:Dennis Brown...ya know my memory is kinda short and I am now remembering how I even met Dennis now! LOL! (seriously...kinda funny if ya think about it)...any way I mentioned your name because you are extremly good at this and he suggested I invite you to WP:WER and i hope you'll consider helping out at WP:SPIas they can really use members like you!--Amadscientist (talk) 02:29, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate the thought. As I've posted to WER before, I believe the statistic interpretations are a bit flawed and that editor retention isn't nearly as dire an issue as the foundation thinks it is. I'm also not too active on Wikipedia these days -- incidentally, they could've likely retained me by finally implementing some watchlist organization features. Many long-timers will tell you that thing just becomes useless after a while. I might prune it down at some point (though I shouldn't have to), when I feel like getting back into this. For now, good luck. Equazcion ^(talk) 23:41, 12 Sep 2012 (UTC)

BRD project

I have outlined a proposal for a potential project that you might be interested in at User:Betty Logan/BRD enforcer. The essence of it is a peer review system in relation to challenged unilateral edits. I'm contacting you because you expressed an interest in a previous discussion in regards to a more stringent enforcement of BRD. If you are not interested then no worries, I'm just testing the waters at this stage to see how much interest there would be in such a co-ordinated task force. Betty Logan (talk) 15:51, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

TH reply gadget, again

Hi Equazcion! So, about your awesome Teahouse response gadget again (yes, we're still talking about it) :-) It sounds like building it into the question gadget is the best way forward, right? Any chance you can help with the code? Or, any suggestions you've got on what needs to happen would be really great. I still love the feature you made and want every guest to have access to it! Siko (talk) 08:33, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Going ahead with the Teahouse thing

Hey, Equazcion! Hopefully you're still around! Anyway, I'm gonna go ahead with merging your script into the Teahouse gadget, so that it'll be enabled by default for all guests. If you have any comments, advice, changes, whatevs, please let me know. Thanks! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 20:03, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

sysopdetector.js handling of user groups

While working on another script, I noticed that sysopdetector.js does slice(2) in an attempt to remove * and user from the list of user groups. However, the API has recently started to return groups out of order, such that * and user do not necessarily come first. I believe this will require manually iterating through the groups (that example only removes *). --SoledadKabocha (talk) 17:58, 11 November 2012 (UTC)