User talk:Elice

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Capitalization of band names

Please see WP:MUSTARD#Capitalization for the guidelines on capitalization of band names on Wikipedia. --PEJL 17:52, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whereas normally capitalization may not be important when writing a band name, dEUS is probably one of the few band names where capitalization is important. Please have a look at the official dEUS website: [www.deus.be] where you can see that the band name is systematically written as 'dEUS'. The band name has been written like this ever since they first started back in 1989. Now, for someone who may be unfamiliar with the band, I can understand that, when looking at the mentioned guidelines, changing the name from 'dEUS' to 'Deus' is the natural thing to do. However, since the real band name is 'dEUS' I would like to ask you to keep the properly capitalized 'dEUS' band name. Perhaps adding a bit of extra text to the first paragraph explaining the reason behind the ('dEUS') capitalization of the band name would solve this "standoff"? Elice 18:10, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In addition: Here are just a few more band names with capitalization which may not conform to the regular band name guidelines, but which are left as-is on their Wikipedia pages:

ABBA INXS MC5 NRBQ XTC ZZ Top

And let's not forget this band:

The dB's

Looking at their Wikipedia page, their name is systematically written dB and not Db. Elice 18:29, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Elice: please have a look here and leave a comment. trying to discuss this issue on separate talk pages is fruitless. PEJL: you just keep on imposing a guideline which is clearly NOT accepted throughout the community (see all the links provided in the discussion on the MUSTARD page). you always provide a link to the guideline to prove your multiple reverts. maybe you should rather post a link to the MUSTARD talk page on the relevant talk page. your actions as they are now actually undermines your argument "it is the guideline, it is wildly accepted, we should stick to it". yes it is the guideline, no it isn't wildly accepted, in fact (bar a few people who imposed it everywhere) most people seem to disagree with it. --L!nus 19:41, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

L!nus, I've responded to your comments which are outside the scope of this article on your user talk page. Note that ABBA and possibly some of the others are acronyms, which justifies using all caps in those cases. There is no exception in the current guideline for bands that consider a non-standard form of capitalization to be correct. --PEJL 20:28, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Elice, feel free to argue that the guideline should be changed at the discussion noted above. However, the current guideline applies until it is changed, so we should adhere to the guideline. --PEJL 08:34, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

according to this reliable secondary source "For those who do have a strong preference—bell hooks is a well-known example—you will want to respect it."

consistent usage of the n.s.r.o.c. name indicates the band DOES have a strong preference for it, hence the guideline DOES NOT apply. --L!nus 10:57, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The style guide that is relevant for Wikipedia is Wikipedia's, not CMS. There is no exception in our guideline for bands that have a strong preference. --PEJL 11:05, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

it appears that you are mistaken, see Talk:bell hooks#Capitalization. --L!nus 11:24, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In what way am I mistaken? In that we should follow our own style guideline rather than CMS, or in that there is no exception in our guideline for bands that have a strong preference? Note firstly that bell hooks is not a band (so irrelevant to this topic), and secondly that there is nothing in that discussion that contradicts either of my claims. Also, do you really think it is useful to duplicate this discussion in three places (Talk:Amiina, Talk:Deus (band), User talk:Elice)? I suggest this discussion be moved to a central location, such as WT:MUSTARD. --PEJL 11:35, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

it has been pointed out in the general discussion on WP:Mustard that the same rules on capitalisation should apply to all artists names, not just band names. that makes the bell hooks case rather relevant. if you don't see a contradiction in how the issue was settled there you didn't read it carefully, after all they settled on bell hooks rather than Bell Hooks because of the CMS link!. as for having it in several places: two issues are at stake here 1. a general discussion on capitalisation and 2. should exception to the current guideline be allowed my comments on these talk pages are relevant to the second issue. --L!nus 12:18, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just because someone mentioned CMS in an article talk page doesn't mean that CMS has precedent over Wikipedia's guidelines. I am going to leave this discussion now, because I find the duplication of this discussion inappropriate. Good luck with your efforts to change the guideline. --PEJL 12:32, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

3RR warning

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Deus (band). Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. - Cyrus XIII 16:01, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]